U wanna see something scary?

[James]

this is scary shit! these guys did very well in last years election, and they're fame is growing. I introduce the BNP (british national party). It is really worth goin on, to see englands political state.

http://www.bnp.org.uk/

The leader makes jokes like;
"last night i smoked more than an Aushwitz chimney"

[Supermodel]

WOW James you weren't kidding!!

Just look at their agenda....campaign against Islam? Campaign against immigration? This is master-race stuff without the mastery!!! (Joke)

Well, whacky polarization will eventually turn people off. Truly scary stuff.

[pastradamus]

Those racist prick's. HA,HA nobody will vote for them their pathetic!

[Reuben]

It is pretty scary, particularly for ethnic minorities living in those areas.

However what you must rememeber that at the last election the BNP only contested aroun 8 seats where they were strong out of 600. Thus what they say on the website gives very disproportionate picture.

[Hayduke]

This is really bad, I read the whole thing and it really makes me scared man.....I mean got moslim friends....luckily here but man....
we have those guys here too......

[Hayduke]

Thi topic made me wonder.........why does the capitalism hate the communsim so much...I mean this is really some example from what can go wrong when you let the people speak frelly all the time........then people go fighting with each others......and war develop.....

[pastradamus]

where are you from D day? what are those guy's called comrade?

[Hayduke]

Im from holland pastradamus and I know we have people like them here in politics...they dont get voted but many people here find that there are too many " strangers " in the country.........
so they can get voted...........not right away....but it just scares me man they are good friends.........and if there moslim or not I dont care

[James]

no, u missunderstood me.
PEOPLE ARE VOTING FOR THEM!!!
you probably don't know all this so i'll tell all.
Last summer lots of areas in the UK went under rascist riots. It was serious shit. For like a whole week i think it were there were battles between asians, whites and the police. The destruction was awfull. Petrol bombs n shit.
Well anyway, groups associated with the BNP went to these areas and tried to orgonise like little armies. These guys are so serious, i'll try find some urls for u all to look at.
The scariest thing is is that in one area, the BNP got the second highest amount of votes.

[James]

well this link will get you somewhere. Its quite good, not it all though. I will find more!!!

[Guest]

The highest percentage of the vote the BNP got in the general election was 16% in Oldham (not sure west or east) They were the 3rd party, behind Labour (who won) and Conservatives.

Its not a hugely worrying problem. 10 years ago a BNP official was elected in Camden (London). They no longer have that seat.

People are worried that they might be elected in the council elections in May. I don't think they will, especially with all the bad publicity they have been getting (anyone see that program about them?)

The neo-nazi problem is much, much more serious in Germany. They recently was a march of 4000 Nazis in Berlin, the largest gathering of right-wing extremists since WW2. Now that IS worrying....

[James]

sorry, first link didn't work!!!
here it is (its that program) (i thought they came second!!!)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/audiovide...000/1588893.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/audiovideo/programmes/panorama/newsid_1588000/1588893.stm)

these are very conected with the BNP
http://www.bloodandhonour.com/chsix.htm

[Xvall]

What a bunch of racist fascists!
A campaign against a religion? I think I'm starting to see a new holocaust come out of this...

- Drake Dracoli

[Moskitto]

London nailbomber David Copeland was a member. He wanted to start a racial war so that people would vote for the BNP.

BNP support is growing, In november elections last year in Burnley, BNP managed to get more than 19% of the vote and were the second biggest party in Trinity behind Labour who had taken much of the liberal democrat vote (the liberal democrats didn't stand) who campaigned for their supporters to vote labour to stop the BNP.

The people who are worse however are Combat 18. Combat 18 don't like the BNP. Combat 18 want a war to send all the "immigrants" home and take over the government.

If you want resources for fighting them, and the myths that are sadly being spread by non-nazis. go to http://www.anl.org.uk

[Guest]

David Copeland was a member of the BNP, but he soon left after saying it was "too democratic"

He then joined the "National Socialist [something]" (can remember the name), an organisation which had only about 10 members, but was openly a neo-nazi party (ie using the swastika etc)

[MJM]

Guest are you talking about the BBC doco a few weeks back?
If so I saw this and while it was bad publicity, I couldn't help thinking, there's no such thing as bad publicity.

[Field Marshal]

yeah that is all messed up. Since Britain is our ally, what might happen if this party took control?

(Edited by Field Marshal at 3:29 am on Feb. 6, 2002)

[Hayduke]

Thats some bad shit man..........Believe me you wont wanne know what happens when those maniacs get at the top......then its out every person that looks different then the avarage english man or women .......then its over .......

[vox]

Yo,

I remember the riots in England last year, and I also remember the National Front. They can change the initials, but the theory and praxis is the same.

They are fascists, in my book. Defeat them with their own beliefs.

vox

[gooddoctor]

the bnp don't have a leg to stand on. no voters (apart from the usual racists, homophobes and others responding to their own feelings of inadequacy) actually take them seriously. every time they win a seat it's because they capitalise on crises, such as racial conflicts in poor areas. but as soon as they infiltrate the council people realise just how incompetent they really are. but they are still dangerous and must be eliminated somehow, and our "democratic" politicians certainly can't be relied on to do it. fact is, socialism poses a much graver threat to capitalist rule than the bnp because the alternative is real, but nazis can be used to further capitalist interests. government propaganda will reflect this, just hark at blair blaming the current rail situation on union wreckers (the government apologised for that yesterday), and last years race riots could safely be blamed on asylum seekers. nazis could be brought to justice under the new anti-terrorism bill, but it will mostly be used to curb anti-capitalist action. after the race riots in oldham, which the bnp (and the anti-nazi league to be honest) precipitated, like locusts the bnp moved their offices from london up north to around that area, just outside leicester, to capitalise on the opportunity to indoctrinate people. but they are a legitimate political party and that's a sad reflection on our so-called democracy. kind of like the socialist labour party is a more extreme off-shoot from new labour, the bnp has strong affiliations to tory power. tories, being the miserable hypocrites they are, try to conceal this, but during their leadership elections it emerged that iain duncan smith's (the new tory fuhrer) campaign manager's son was none other than nick griffin! the worst thing about the bnp though is that they pretend to represent the working class, much of their policies are essentially anti-capitalist (but only on the surface) and anti-government, and a lot of people fall for it. people in oldham and such places have a perfect right to feel outraged and disaffected, because new labour is pretending to represent the working class too and, like the bnp would do if they ever came to power, has grossly betrayed them. the bnp is there to give people an alternative, but it is merely more of the same old solutions in disguise, there is nothing radical about them. they look respectable, kind of like the tories, and sometimes people forget that our grandfathers had to fight the bloodiest war in history to exterminate these same fascists fifty years ago. they are the threat to democracy, not the anti-capitalists. memories are short.

(Edited by gooddoctor at 5:14 pm on Feb. 6, 2002)

[Guest]

Quote: from Field Marshal on 2:37 am on Feb. 6, 2002
yeah that is all messed up. Since Britain is our ally, what might happen if this party took control?

(Edited by Field Marshal at 3:29 am on Feb. 6, 2002)


Well don't worry, they won't come to power!

[RedCeltic]

The way people in the US and UK are talking lately it doesn't shock me... disgusts me, but doesn't shock me...

I've heard of people talking about Islam as a plauge on our western way of life than needs to be stamped out. That the Koran tells them to wage war on non Muslims, and their society is one that's based on male dominace and oppression of women... and they all secretly cheered for the terrorists....

These racist views have been used to advicate deporting all people of Arab decent from western nations, supress the worship, and spread of Islam, and to limit civil liberties.

[revolutionary]

there should be something done about those fascists, they should be locked up. I saw the program a few months ago and the BNP were shown to be racist, they deserve to be lock up or worse man. Even little kids like under 10 were secretly filmed verbally abusing Asians. Its sick

My favourite saying 'Theirs only one good fascist and that’s a dead fascist'

[James]

The north of england is worst i think (where i live! argh!!!), theres lots of small houses all put together, like in Oldham. Its common for ethnic minoritys to live here, and also very common for rascists. I've seen these streets,some have barricades dividing them, to keep the others out. Its very sad. The children are brout up to hate asians, for no reason, just to hate them. This is partly why the north had such bad riots. The BNP etc. focus on this, which is so esay to do. And this is why they did so well in the elections. The area i live in is very rascist. I know people who tell me they "fucking hate fucking pakies" and when i ask why, they just say "coz i do" There is really no reason.
For those of you who don't live near these areas and say that its not a threat, i can tell you it is. It was so scary when i saw two asian lads get attacked by 50 whites, out side my school!!!
Racists are on the increase here. Not just whites. Asians too are rascists, no this is phrased wrong. Anyone is capable of being a rascist. I my self have been nearly beaten up by a group of asians because i go to this school that a bunch of white twats go to.
IT IS A PROBLEM
but what can be done?

[Moskitto]

The Midlands is an important area for their campaigning as well as the area around Leeds and Manchester. There is also activity in East London and enclaves in Peterbough, Coventry and Southampton. They're virtually non-existant where I live (bedfordshire) although the myths that they spread do get spread around schools.

[Hayduke]

Might be interesting but I live in a hood with mostly moslims.......
Most of them are realy nice people..........mostly me and my friends go shopping in their moskee..........really nice people...and I dont want to see bastars sending out

[James]

The stupid thing about the north west sittuation is that there is really no need for it all. Children are brought up to hate, on both sides. Youths take it personaly, and get carried away. People like the BNP fuel this hatred and make the situation worse. Its so scary seeing those slap heads from the BNP and other orgonisations turning up, just to fight!!!

[GuerillaTactics]

bunch of fucking wankers if you ask me......... bet you couldnt find one of those pussys to say something to me face to face .......man to man

[James]

ERM
i bet u could
they are real fascists.
i don't know if you've had a look, but look at this. This is what alot of people are like in the area i live in.
http://www.bloodandhonour.com/chsix.htm

[Moskitto]

Pretending these people don't exist is stupid. Also, indecision amoungst the conservative party has lead to members letting their memberships lapse so they can join the BNP. Annother thing that could strengthen them is Iain Duncan Smith. Iain Duncan Smith isn't the same as previous conservative leaders (my brother's a member.) He has refused to join a men only conservative club which every conservative leader has been a member of (even Margaret Thatcher was an hounorarry member), commented that maybe the party needs a new approach on section 28, deselected members with links to the "Monday Club." All this, may drive the more right-wing elements of the conservative party towards the BNP. Although having said that, it would have been worse if they had Clarke.

[James]

The threat of the British government is very low i think. What i fear more is if they win just areas. They have strong support in the north, and i can see many problems happening if they win council elections (or whatever they're called)

[Moskitto]

They can do quite a lot of damage even on local level.

In some towns in France where the French National Front were the majority. The towns more repressented Apartheid South Africa. the councils employed police who beat up Arabs and Blacks, they also sacked people for things such as showing videos on racial tolerance or organizing discussions on HIV.

[James]

yeah, thats what i mean. They do more damage on "local level".

[Guest]

Is there still any towns in France where the French National Front are running the local govenment?