UK

[eyedrop]

I once read in a Noam chomsky book that the IRA recieves funding from rich bussinessmen(descendants from Ireland) from boston. IRA are as known a terrorist organisation that attacks the UK.

For you people that are pro "war on terror."
Hypotetichally:
Shouldn't UK be justified to attack USA since they are protecting terrorist funders? (assuming that the US would not give their highly respected bussinessmen to the UK's prisons)



If you mean that they are not justified, what would make it any different from the war on Afganistan?

[BuyOurEverything]

The US does not support the IRA, or the people who fund it.

[toastedmonkey]

Also, isnt ireland harboring terrorists?

shouldnt the good ol' US be bombing hospitals all over ireland?

[shyguywannadie]

The US does what it wants, when it wants and only if they personally benefit from it.

[monkeydust]

It doesn't anymore.

But the U.S. did sell the IRA arms previously.

[BuyOurEverything]

Why would they do that? Do you have a link?

[monkeydust]

As far as I know they only sold them weapons to make money, I'm unsure as to whether they actually supported them.

I don't have a link for this because this information's not from an online source, though if I find one I will post one.

[BOZG]

The US government has never funded the IRA though they do receive funding from members of the Irish communities.

[Misodoctakleidist]

Technically the US should attack Britain for harbouring terrorists. I find it quite hypocritical that they say stuff like "we don't negotiate with terrorists" yet the British and US governements have been negotiating with the IRA and the UDA for several years.

[cubist]

and don't forget that king fat fucking biggamist prick henry VIII is responsible for the entire issue in ireland,

having done massive pieces on ireland for history i can say. that negotiating with terrorists when the bombing campaigns are as regular as they were in ireland and the UK is of upmost importance.

but englands hands are dirty i don't defend my country,

but Mcdonalds is a prime donator to irish charities that were afiliated to the IRA, but really, the war on terror is a war on religion the irish are all christains so they are of less importance asides they didn't bomb america and they don't have any oil or anything else of anyuse to america

[Invader Zim]

Originally posted by [email protected] 25 2004, 10:47 PM
Why would they do that? Do you have a link?
Its common knowledge.

not to mention that US citizens funded the IRA for years, with absolutly no reprisal from the US government.

[Sabocat]

Trust me. I lived in Boston for 10+ years. In South Boston (Irish section), they actively collect money for the IRA. Even today.

Whenever in the area, Sinn Fein leaders stop at some of the local pubs.

[quaz]

Britain should definitely attack America, I don't see why a reason is required

ben

[Capitalist Imperial]

Originally posted by [email protected] 25 2004, 08:43 PM
I once read in a Noam chomsky book that the IRA recieves funding from rich bussinessmen(descendants from Ireland) from boston. IRA are as known a terrorist organisation that attacks the UK.

For you people that are pro "war on terror."
Hypotetichally:
Shouldn't UK be justified to attack USA since they are protecting terrorist funders? (assuming that the US would not give their highly respected bussinessmen to the UK's prisons)



If you mean that they are not justified, what would make it any different from the war on Afganistan?
If the UK wishes to attack the USA, they can go ahead and try, I guess.

That is, if they want to go from a small island in Western Europe to a small decimated island in western Europe.

The whole Idea of the UK "attacking" the US is funny at best, and preposterous at worst.

They would never make it 1/2 way across trhe atlantic.

[lucid]

Originally posted by [email protected] 26 2004, 07:02 PM
Britain should definitely attack America, I don't see why a reason is required

ben
rofl, bring it on. The US will roll out the Boyscouts to kick your arse. Them we will have your queen working street corners.

[cormacobear]

first off it's hypocritical of us to call the IRA a terrorist Org. After fighting occupation and foriegn minority rule for more than 700 years a resistance force gains a little credibility. While henry the eighth may be responsible for the whole Catholic protestant thing the English occupation of Ireland goes back to William the conquerer.
For hundreds of years the Irish resistance has fought for pretty much the same things as Che did. When you define terrorists it's usually as a militant group that attacks civilian targets to acheive a political goal. The I.R.A. has only a couple of civilian attacks to it's credit, where as the British army and the Orangeman's order have tens of thousands if you exclude events like the created famine which raise the number into the millions. So who's the terrorist.

The U.S. gov't has always cooperated openly with british intelligence against american I.R.A. supporters, although there is some evidence of secret arms sales by the gov't to the I.R.A..

The Idea that two countries as closely allied as the U.S. and England would just up and go to war is rediculous. However the outcome is not so far fetched. 50% of the Staff at U.S. missile command are Canadians, if you were to ask a Canadian soldier which loyalty was more important to him he would answer automatically The Crown and Commonwealth rather than the U.S. and NATO.

So if you take the nuclear arsenal out of U.S. hands and add the growing int. resentment against the U.S. a victorious outcome for England is not inconceivable , but it would likely end in global Nuclear destruction...........Oh yah and it'd never happen.

[Capitalist Imperial]

I give it about 1 hour underway due west before the Harpoons and precision GBU's start slamming into british shipping.

And if they think the Harriers are going to help, please send them up. I'm sure several F-14's and F-18's are begging the fates for that to happen.

[cormacobear]

Funnily enough a huge amount of the fighting would likely take place in Alberta. Since up to a third of U.S. Air force are frequently training at C.F.B. Cold Lake in the largely uninhabited N.Alberta. And the largest British land base is in Southern Alberta at C.F.B. Suffield. Freaky Huh.
and since they've been Allies for almost a century the U.S. has Craploads of Harriers, and Britian has Craploads of F-18s

[DaCuBaN]

They would never make it 1/2 way across trhe atlantic

well, yeah, considering all you have to do is detonate the nuclear warheads stored in the UK...

You've got us rigged... why the hell else do you think we'd support the U$'s 'war for oil' :lol: :D

That said if britain did start to lean away from the states it would be by getting closer with our actual neighbours - which in turn would end up leading to Military union and so on until the US is up against an increasingly hostile Europe.

The idea is preposterous though. Look to the recent BBC poll on &#39;Greatest Britain&#39; which was one by one wannabe-a-yankee Winston Churchill. If that imperialistic bastard still holds sway over a large enough chunk of our population, we&#39;ll be doing no leaning <_<

[toastedmonkey]

Still, i go back to my post

Ireland is harboring the IRA and the Real IRA

why aint america bombing irelands hospitals, schools and nursing homes?

[cormacobear]

Maybe it&#39;s a rasist thing plenty of us micks are politicians not too many arabs in congress.

[Professor Moneybags]

and don&#39;t forget that king fat fucking biggamist prick henry VIII is responsible for the entire issue in ireland,

It was the pope, actually. Don&#39;t forget that the conflict is partly religious.

Bomb the Vatican, I say.

[Professor Moneybags]

I give it about 1 hour underway due west before the Harpoons and precision GBU&#39;s start slamming into british shipping.

Is that before or after the US navy has suffered 50% casualties from bombing its own ships and shooting down it&#39;s own aircraft ?

Seriously, I don&#39;t think Britain could fight a war anymore; the welfare state it too bloated and is sucking up all the resources. It&#39;ll end up like France and Germany.

[RedAnarchist]

Originally posted by [email protected] 26 2004, 08:03 PM


The idea is preposterous though. Look to the recent BBC poll on &#39;Greatest Britain&#39; which was one by one wannabe-a-yankee Winston Churchill. If that imperialistic bastard still holds sway over a large enough chunk of our population, we&#39;ll be doing no leaning <_<
Churchill was half-american. His mother was part Yank, part Native American

[cubist]

crapitalist imperial, if america could hit its targets i would believe you, but france will be decimated if you aim missiles at the brits, not you yanks would care.

seriously america and the UK will not fight against each other ever, they are the UN

[lucid]

Originally posted by [email protected] 27 2004, 03:37 PM
crapitalist imperial, if america could hit its targets i would believe you, but france will be decimated if you aim missiles at the brits, not you yanks would care.

seriously america and the UK will not fight against each other ever, they are the UN
We can&#39;t hit our targets huh. Even Saddam would laugh in your face over that one.

Maybe you missed the footage of laser guided missiles and other smart weapons flying into doors, windows, vents, etc.

[Capitalist Imperial]

Originally posted by [email protected] 27 2004, 03:37 PM
crapitalist imperial, if america could hit its targets i would believe you, but france will be decimated if you aim missiles at the brits, not you yanks would care.

seriously america and the UK will not fight against each other ever, they are the UN
If you could show me how this comment makes sense in any way, I will be happy to listen.

The united States has the absolute best precision guided weapons systems on earth, bar none. They have been used to deadly effect in GW1, GW2, and Afghanistan.

As for us hitting France:

#1 it would be no accident, just an additional mission while we were "in the neigborhood"

#2: You are right, we wouldn&#39;t care. Actually, we would. We would be happy.

[lucid]

We need to drop a couple of deoderant bombs on france. And a bunch of razors for the females.

[AC-Socialist]

Ok, this US vs UK thread is really retarded, but, seeing as i havent got anything better to do, i&#39;ll post.
The US would do anything to avoid a war with the UK, becuase if they did they would have lost their only true ally. As afformentioned, Canada and the other commonwelath countries would support the crown and the commonwealth, as its written in their respective constitutions. Europe would support Britian, naturally, even though the US would still probably be victorious...

[IPkurd]

I don&#39;t think the USA can handle taking on so many armies on, but thats just my opinion, and 1 more thing.....this thread is turning into a fcukup

[Invader Zim]

Originally posted by [email protected] 27 2004, 04:39 PM
We need to drop a couple of deoderant bombs on france. And a bunch of razors for the females.
And slim fast in america? [/sarcasm]

Steriotyping is stupid.

[Capitalist Imperial]

Originally posted by Enigma+Apr 27 2004, 05:06 PM--> (Enigma @ Apr 27 2004, 05:06 PM)
[email protected] 27 2004, 04:39 PM
We need to drop a couple of deoderant bombs on france. And a bunch of razors for the females.
And slim fast in america? [/sarcasm]

Steriotyping is stupid. [/b]
LOL, that was good.

Actually, you can drop some roast beef, pork ribs, bacon and cheddar cheese.

Everyone here is doing Atkins now. So much that we&#39;ll need more meat soon. I wonder how Spaniards taste? Probably like "chicken".

[Invader Zim]

Originally posted by Capitalist Imperial+Apr 27 2004, 05:27 PM--> (Capitalist Imperial @ Apr 27 2004, 05:27 PM)
Originally posted by [email protected] 27 2004, 05:06 PM

[email protected] 27 2004, 04:39 PM
We need to drop a couple of deoderant bombs on france. And a bunch of razors for the females.
And slim fast in america? [/sarcasm]

Steriotyping is stupid.
LOL, that was good.

Actually, you can drop some roast beef, pork ribs, bacon and cheddar cheese.

Everyone here is doing Atkins now. So much that we&#39;ll need more meat soon. I wonder how Spaniards taste? Probably like "chicken". [/b]
Ohh very good.

I dont think the spanish people on the board will be very happy.

[Capitalist Imperial]

Originally posted by [email protected] 27 2004, 05:35 PM
Ohh very good.

I dont think the spanish people on the board will be very happy.
They&#39;ll probably be about as happy as the US/UK troops that were abondoned by the spanish government.

[toastedmonkey]

again, i go back to my post

Ireland is harboring the IRA and the Real IRA

why aint america bombing irelands hospitals, schools and nursing homes?

[Capitalist Imperial]

Originally posted by [email protected] 27 2004, 07:40 PM
again, i go back to my post

Ireland is harboring the IRA and the Real IRA

why aint america bombing irelands hospitals, schools and nursing homes?
Because Ireland&#39;s internal problems do not compromise American interests.

[lucid]

Originally posted by [email protected] 27 2004, 07:40 PM
again, i go back to my post

Ireland is harboring the IRA and the Real IRA

why aint america bombing irelands hospitals, schools and nursing homes?
The IRA isn&#39;t flying planes into US buildings.

[Invader Zim]

Originally posted by lucid+Apr 27 2004, 07:46 PM--> (lucid @ Apr 27 2004, 07:46 PM)
[email protected] 27 2004, 07:40 PM
again, i go back to my post

Ireland is harboring the IRA and the Real IRA

why aint america bombing irelands hospitals, schools and nursing homes?
The IRA isn&#39;t flying planes into US buildings. [/b]
but they plant bombs in them, and have over their career more than likley killed three thousand people, far more.

[lucid]

Originally posted by Enigma+Apr 27 2004, 07:50 PM--> (Enigma @ Apr 27 2004, 07:50 PM)
Originally posted by [email protected] 27 2004, 07:46 PM

[email protected] 27 2004, 07:40 PM
again, i go back to my post

Ireland is harboring the IRA and the Real IRA

why aint america bombing irelands hospitals, schools and nursing homes?
The IRA isn&#39;t flying planes into US buildings.
but they plant bombs in them, and have over their career more than likley killed three thousand people, far more. [/b]
I know, as a citizen of the US, I don&#39;t feel threatened by the IRA. I think the Islamic terrorists have killed not thousands but hundreds of thousands if not millions.

See the difference?

[Capitalist Imperial]

Originally posted by Enigma+Apr 27 2004, 07:50 PM--> (Enigma @ Apr 27 2004, 07:50 PM)
Originally posted by [email protected] 27 2004, 07:46 PM

[email protected] 27 2004, 07:40 PM
again, i go back to my post

Ireland is harboring the IRA and the Real IRA

why aint america bombing irelands hospitals, schools and nursing homes?
The IRA isn&#39;t flying planes into US buildings.
but they plant bombs in them, and have over their career more than likley killed three thousand people, far more. [/b]
#1) they are not planting bombs in american buildings

#2) the UK and ireland are fighting the IRA already

[Invader Zim]

Originally posted by lucid+Apr 27 2004, 07:51 PM--> (lucid @ Apr 27 2004, 07:51 PM)
Originally posted by [email protected] 27 2004, 07:50 PM

Originally posted by [email protected] 27 2004, 07:46 PM

[email protected] 27 2004, 07:40 PM
again, i go back to my post

Ireland is harboring the IRA and the Real IRA

why aint america bombing irelands hospitals, schools and nursing homes?
The IRA isn&#39;t flying planes into US buildings.
but they plant bombs in them, and have over their career more than likley killed three thousand people, far more.
I know, as a citizen of the US, I don&#39;t feel threatened by the IRA. I think the Islamic terrorists have killed not thousands but hundreds of thousands if not millions.

See the difference? [/b]
Well what threat did Iraq pose?

The WMD are just not there, and the supposed threat to the Us is non-existant. As far as terrorism goes, I would say that Iraqw is considerably more of a threat now, than it was before. because if Al_quada (sp?) links weren&#39;t a threat in Iraq before they certainly are.

it seams that the Us has increased the danger of her position a hell of a lot more because of this conflict.

[cormacobear]

Avtually Their is peace in N.Ire. but after 700 years of occupation and oppression would just hand over all your weapons, and that is the Prot. issue of disarmament, the Catholics. want to see the change of power structure promised, a little stall in diplomacy that the US are quite proud of their part in.

Virtually all IRA killings have been military targets and other militia groups.The govt. of N. Ireland EG. the Protestant orangemen, do not support the IRA they support England, .......so the US can&#39;t bomb cities to destroy the gov&#39;t. Afghanistan had large groups of Militia camps in isolated areas away from Civilian targets no problem with public opinion if you can find them. The IRA lived in houses spread out in every city or town lots of Civilian neighbors.

[lucid]

Iraq got in bed with terrorists, period. You can pretend he didn&#39;t but it doesn&#39;t change the facts. He was paying money to suicide bombers families and had WMD. I still think we will find the truth about saddams WMD. Libs are gonna have egg in their face when they are found buried in the desert.

[Misodoctakleidist]

Originally posted by [email protected] 27 2004, 07:51 PM
I know, as a citizen of the US, I don&#39;t feel threatened by the IRA. I think the Islamic terrorists have killed not thousands but hundreds of thousands if not millions.
:lol: :lol: :lol:

Your ignorance has reached new levels.

[lucid]

Originally posted by Misodoctakleidist+Apr 27 2004, 08:41 PM--> (Misodoctakleidist @ Apr 27 2004, 08:41 PM)
[email protected] 27 2004, 07:51 PM
I know, as a citizen of the US, I don&#39;t feel threatened by the IRA. I think the Islamic terrorists have killed not thousands but hundreds of thousands if not millions.
:lol: :lol: :lol:

Your ignorance has reached new levels. [/b]
I thought one liner responses where not allowed.

For the second time today I am going to have to say thank you for your comments. If you started agreeing with me I would be afraid I was turning into a pathetic, lazy, dependant, pink commie pussy like youself.

:D

[Invader Zim]

Originally posted by [email protected] 27 2004, 08:39 PM
Avtually Their is peace in N.Ire. but after 700 years of occupation and oppression would just hand over all your weapons, and that is the Prot. issue of disarmament, the Catholics. want to see the change of power structure promised, a little stall in diplomacy that the US are quite proud of their part in.

Virtually all IRA killings have been military targets and other militia groups.The govt. of N. Ireland EG. the Protestant orangemen, do not support the IRA they support England, .......so the US can&#39;t bomb cities to destroy the gov&#39;t. Afghanistan had large groups of Militia camps in isolated areas away from Civilian targets no problem with public opinion if you can find them. The IRA lived in houses spread out in every city or town lots of Civilian neighbors.
well as you are from Edmonton Alberta Canada, I can forgive you. But I must also correct you, There are many examples where the IRA specifically targetted civillians. Try the &#39;96 manchester bombing, where they planted explosives right in the middle of a shopping streat.

[DaCuBaN]

IRA not hitting civilians? who the fuck told you that? :lol:

My own father was in hospital after the IRA detonated a bomb in a bus shelter outside a London Bank - that&#39;s a military target now, right? :rolleyes:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/1201270.stm - listings of bomb attacks on the City of London - military targets or otherwise, IRA or otherwise


Harrods, December 1983 Six killed, three of them police, and 90 injured in IRA bombing


City of London, April 1992 Three killed when IRA bomb exploded outside the Baltic Exchange
Oh yeah, they keep nukes there don&#39;t they :rolleyes:


Bishopsgate, April 1993 An IRA truck bomb devastated the Bishopsgate area of London&#39;s financial centre, killing one and injuring 44, as well as causing damage running into hundreds of millions of pounds

another famous military target :angry:


Heathrow Airport, March 1994 The IRA launched a series of mortar attacks on the airport, partially paralysing the capital&#39;s main air route

Lots of militart things to hit in a civilian airport I think <_<


Docklands, February 1996 The IRA signals the end of its first ceasefire with the bombing of South Quay in London&#39;s Docklands, killing two people and injuring many more

What was that you said? No civilian targets?


Aldwych bus, February 1996 IRA man Edward O&#39;Brien was blown up and killed by his own bomb when it accidentally detonated and ripped apart the bus on which he was travelling as it passed along Aldwych, central London.

hey, nice to see they&#39;re compotent too :lol:


Hammersmith Bridge, June 2000 A high grade bomb exploded underneath the bridge without warning. No one was injured but the blast caused traffic chaos. Dissident republican terrorist group the Real IRA was believed to be behind the attack.

At least this time it was merely the infrastructure that got hurt


BBC Television Centre, Shepherd&#39;s Bush, March 2001 Officers were carrying out a controlled explosion on a bomb in a taxi when it went off yards from the front door of BBC Television Centre. Staff had already been evacuated after police received a coded warning. A London Underground worker suffered deep cuts and some damage was caused to the front of the building.

and that&#39;s just the modern stuff - try http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/s...000/2506083.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/january/29/newsid_2506000/2506083.stm) for their 70&#39;s antics

Suffice to say the IRA are as bad as any other terrorist/revolutionary organisation.

So if you please, at least type what you&#39;re going to state as fact into google before you do so here - otherwise you just make yourself look ignorant - which I&#39;m sure you&#39;re not really ;)

[IPkurd]

Iraq got in bed with terrorists, period. You can pretend he didn&#39;t but it doesn&#39;t change the facts. He was paying money to suicide bombers families and had WMD. I still think we will find the truth about saddams WMD. Libs are gonna have egg in their face when they are found buried in the desert.

Paying the families of the suicide bombers is terrorism? explain

[lucid]

Originally posted by [email protected] 27 2004, 09:59 PM

Iraq got in bed with terrorists, period. You can pretend he didn&#39;t but it doesn&#39;t change the facts. He was paying money to suicide bombers families and had WMD. I still think we will find the truth about saddams WMD. Libs are gonna have egg in their face when they are found buried in the desert.

Paying the families of the suicide bombers is terrorism? explain
It&#39;s really pretty simple. By supporting our enemy you become our enemy.

[Invader Zim]

Originally posted by lucid+Apr 27 2004, 10:33 PM--> (lucid @ Apr 27 2004, 10:33 PM)
[email protected] 27 2004, 09:59 PM

Iraq got in bed with terrorists, period. You can pretend he didn&#39;t but it doesn&#39;t change the facts. He was paying money to suicide bombers families and had WMD. I still think we will find the truth about saddams WMD. Libs are gonna have egg in their face when they are found buried in the desert.

Paying the families of the suicide bombers is terrorism? explain
It&#39;s really pretty simple. By supporting our enemy you become our enemy. [/b]
You do realise that people in the US openly pay money to the IRA, and fund it?

So realitically we in Britain should demand that you send any such people to the UK for terror crimes.

[DaCuBaN]

It&#39;s really pretty simple. By supporting our enemy you become our enemy.

Stop being foolish and reactionary - the IRA were supported by US businessmen - that makes the US an enemy of the UK in your book so don&#39;t give me that shit please. Last time I checked the Imperialist scum were practicing this all over the planet.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

I don&#39;t think a war between the US and the UK would be realistic in the near future, but I do hope (And this is a hope&#33;) That when Blair is kicked out on his arse that we get some politicians who will at least try to distance the UK from the US.

I think we should do our best to tell the US that funding of terrorists is not acceptable.

I think the most likely trigger of a war between the UK/US would be the UK revoking the US&#39;s independance. That would be funny. You yanks would finally have to drive on the correct side of the road again and your soldiers, after swearing a new oath of loyalty to Her Majesty the Queen, would have to lose some weight. And pill-powered delta force would be gone too. :lol:

[Hiero]

Originally posted by lucid+Apr 27 2004, 08:44 PM--> (lucid @ Apr 27 2004, 08:44 PM)
Originally posted by [email protected] 27 2004, 08:41 PM

[email protected] 27 2004, 07:51 PM
I know, as a citizen of the US, I don&#39;t feel threatened by the IRA. I think the Islamic terrorists have killed not thousands but hundreds of thousands if not millions.
:lol: :lol: :lol:

Your ignorance has reached new levels.
I thought one liner responses where not allowed.

For the second time today I am going to have to say thank you for your comments. If you started agreeing with me I would be afraid I was turning into a pathetic, lazy, dependant, pink commie pussy like youself.

:D [/b]
Ill give it to simple, there is no way that Islamice terriost could kill millions of people by terriost attacks. Killing millions we would clearly know about it.

You fucking idiot Lucid

[lucid]

I would not be surprised if the number of people killed in the last hundred years by Islamic radicals was over a million world wide.

If people in the US are supporting the IRA they should be in jail. Who are these people that are "openly" supporting them?

neonate; suck my cock.

[Misodoctakleidist]

Lucid, you really are stupid.


I would not be surprised if the number of people killed in the last hundred years by Islamic radicals
You said terrorists not &#39;radicals,&#39; raicalism is a subjective opinion. Most of the participants in the two world wars were christian, how many people did they kill?

Name some ways in which these &#39;islamic radicals&#39; have killed millions of people?

On average 600 people die each year as a direct result of terrorism and that&#39;s all terrorism not just Islamic. Lets presume that all 600 were killed by &#39;islamic terrorism,&#39; it would have taken 1667 years to kill more than one million people, that&#39;s twice as long as Islam has even existed.

[Dirty Commie]

The Irish governemnet does not "harbor" the IRA or the "real" IRA...they exist, but ther government doesn&#39;t support or protect them.

[toastedmonkey]

The reason america doesnt bomb ireland is that the americans like the irish, they are friends.

terrorism is okay with america when its their friends, they are no longer terrorists.

Bush pleged to rid the world of terrorism, that includes the IRA, so what are you waiting for? this iraq fiasco to end?
so june 30th america will visit ireland ;)

[Funky Monk]

I&#39;ve heard there are large untapped oil reserves in Ireland..................

[IPkurd]

It&#39;s really pretty simple. By supporting our enemy you become our enemy.

So the families are your enemies, you consider wifes children as the enemy? thats quite low lucid.
Also by giving these families money do your think it will incourage more suicide bombers? if you do then its sick to think that people would want to blow them selfs up for the money.

[cubist]

lucid you are definately a true american congratulations,

so, france is your enemy, iran, palestine, egypt, syria, china, russia, germany, all of these opposed unilateral actions against iraq, which means they sided against you,


neonate; suck my cock. , who would have thought a married man gay does america oppress your feeling so much that you must get married to cover up your tendencies,

[lucid]

Originally posted by [email protected] 28 2004, 06:28 PM
lucid you are definately a true american congratulations,


I appreciate the compliment&#33;

You are definately a true European crybaby. Good thing your countries are irrelevant in todays world. :D

Call me whatever names you want. Your just upset that at 30 I have more security than you will ever have.

[Misodoctakleidist]

Originally posted by [email protected] 28 2004, 05:47 PM

It&#39;s really pretty simple. By supporting our enemy you become our enemy.

So the families are your enemies, you consider wifes children as the enemy? thats quite low lucid
Are women somehow incapable of doing any wrong? or is it becuase they&#39;re wives?

[lucid]

I never said anything about wives. Take your spin tactics somewhere else.

[Misodoctakleidist]

EDIT: disregard this post.

[cubist]

I appreciate the compliment&#33;

You are definately a true European crybaby. Good thing your countries are irrelevant in todays world.

Call me whatever names you want. Your just upset that at 30 I have more security than you will ever have. i will don&#39;t worry

i am not upset about your security my life is very secure, i have money in the bank no debt collectors on my back a roof over my head a beuatiful girlfriend and a monthly pay check, i also have a clear conscience something i am sure you being a true american will not have.

your just jealous that you will loose you bullshit status, that is not valued by those above you, that you worked hard for. So that lessfortunate people can eat.

as for my country being irelevant we will see when your country crashes out of the stock market, due to GW&#39;s over spending you will need our irelevant country like you will need china and europe too,

you know he owes 40% of the national reserve yeah, you know you as an american have &#036;24,000 debt to the national reserve and anyone else who lends america money. that debt has done nothing but increase so far

[lucid]

Keep dreaming and keep your pipe filled cubist.

[Invader Zim]

Originally posted by lucid+Apr 28 2004, 06:36 PM--> (lucid @ Apr 28 2004, 06:36 PM)
[email protected] 28 2004, 06:28 PM
lucid you are definately a true american congratulations,


I appreciate the compliment&#33;

You are definately a true European crybaby. Good thing your countries are irrelevant in todays world. :D

Call me whatever names you want. Your just upset that at 30 I have more security than you will ever have. [/b]
I thought you republican idiots were supposed to be brown nosing the UK at the moment, because we supported your silly adventures, not calling us crybabies. Its quite ironic that you call all europeans cry babies, even the ones who supported you, in the very issue that supposedly made us crybabies.

Carry on boy, your providing great comedy.

[DaCuBaN]

I think the most likely trigger of a war between the UK/US would be the UK revoking the US&#39;s independance. That would be funny. You yanks would finally have to drive on the correct side of the road again and your soldiers, after swearing a new oath of loyalty to Her Majesty the Queen, would have to lose some weight. And pill-powered delta force would be gone too

I can already see the look on arnie&#39;s face as he&#39;s made to swear alliegence to the Queen :lol: :lol:


Your just upset that at 30 I have more security than you will ever have.

ummm.... where did you get THAT idea from? You have practically no social security net, no public healthcare, a faltering economy and dwindling natural resources, as well as a dying tourist industry. I fail to see where this stability comes from...

[lucid]

Originally posted by [email protected] 28 2004, 07:12 PM

I think the most likely trigger of a war between the UK/US would be the UK revoking the US&#39;s independance. That would be funny. You yanks would finally have to drive on the correct side of the road again and your soldiers, after swearing a new oath of loyalty to Her Majesty the Queen, would have to lose some weight. And pill-powered delta force would be gone too

I can already see the look on arnie&#39;s face as he&#39;s made to swear alliegence to the Queen :lol: :lol:


Your just upset that at 30 I have more security than you will ever have.

ummm.... where did you get THAT idea from? You have practically no social security net, no public healthcare, a faltering economy and dwindling natural resources, as well as a dying tourist industry. I fail to see where this stability comes from...
My bad, I forgot that you only look at securities that are provided to you by others. Let me reiterate please. I have more self made security at 30 than you ever will.

It&#39;s pretty pathetic that you are so dependant on government programs.

[Invader Zim]

Originally posted by lucid+Apr 28 2004, 07:18 PM--> (lucid @ Apr 28 2004, 07:18 PM)
[email protected] 28 2004, 07:12 PM

I think the most likely trigger of a war between the UK/US would be the UK revoking the US&#39;s independance. That would be funny. You yanks would finally have to drive on the correct side of the road again and your soldiers, after swearing a new oath of loyalty to Her Majesty the Queen, would have to lose some weight. And pill-powered delta force would be gone too

I can already see the look on arnie&#39;s face as he&#39;s made to swear alliegence to the Queen :lol: :lol:


Your just upset that at 30 I have more security than you will ever have.

ummm.... where did you get THAT idea from? You have practically no social security net, no public healthcare, a faltering economy and dwindling natural resources, as well as a dying tourist industry. I fail to see where this stability comes from...
My bad, I forgot that you only look at securities that are provided to you by others. Let me reiterate please. I have more self made security at 30 than you ever will.

It&#39;s pretty pathetic that you are so dependant on government programs. [/b]
I doubt it, I would say the majority of people on this board will go to university and get high qualifications. Which whether they want it or not gives them a very high wage earning ability, job security, social security etc. Of course they may choose to enter a low paying job they enjoy rather than forfil this potentical.

[lucid]

Originally posted by [email protected] 28 2004, 07:11 PM
I thought you republican idiots were supposed to be brown nosing the UK at the moment, because we supported your silly adventures, not calling us crybabies. Its quite ironic that you call all europeans cry babies, even the ones who supported you, in the very issue that supposedly made us crybabies.

Carry on boy, your providing great comedy.
First off I am not a republican. I do lean to the right but don&#39;t agree with some republican ideals. Second I don&#39;t brown nose anyone, not my boss, not my wife, and especially not Europeans.

Although British support is nice to have from a PR perspective it is by no means a necessity. We could of handled Saddam just as easily without you. I know this is something that you have a hard time swallowing but it is the truth nontheless.

I don&#39;t find it ironic in the least. Europe has turned into a leftist wanna be socialist shithole that has traded in freedom for security.

[lucid]

Originally posted by Enigma+Apr 28 2004, 07:25 PM--> (Enigma @ Apr 28 2004, 07:25 PM)
Originally posted by [email protected] 28 2004, 07:18 PM

[email protected] 28 2004, 07:12 PM

I think the most likely trigger of a war between the UK/US would be the UK revoking the US&#39;s independance. That would be funny. You yanks would finally have to drive on the correct side of the road again and your soldiers, after swearing a new oath of loyalty to Her Majesty the Queen, would have to lose some weight. And pill-powered delta force would be gone too

I can already see the look on arnie&#39;s face as he&#39;s made to swear alliegence to the Queen :lol: :lol:


Your just upset that at 30 I have more security than you will ever have.

ummm.... where did you get THAT idea from? You have practically no social security net, no public healthcare, a faltering economy and dwindling natural resources, as well as a dying tourist industry. I fail to see where this stability comes from...
My bad, I forgot that you only look at securities that are provided to you by others. Let me reiterate please. I have more self made security at 30 than you ever will.

It&#39;s pretty pathetic that you are so dependant on government programs.
I doubt it, I would say the majority of people on this board will go to university and get high qualifications. Which whether they want it or not gives them a very high wage earning ability, job security, social security etc. Of course they may choose to enter a low paying job they enjoy rather than forfil this potentical. [/b]
I am not planning on relying on SS when I retire. I can supply for myself.

[lucid]

Originally posted by [email protected] 28 2004, 07:12 PM
ummm.... where did you get THAT idea from? You have practically no social security net, no public healthcare, a faltering economy and dwindling natural resources, as well as a dying tourist industry. I fail to see where this stability comes from...
I do find it&#39;s funny that you commies seem to be more interested in planning for your failure instead of planning for success.

[palestine_forever]

If we all used that same lame excuse America uses for war, this world would not exist for another minute.

ps. Europe beats America in Top-Trumps, if such a version of the game was around..

:P

[Invader Zim]

Originally posted by lucid+Apr 28 2004, 07:26 PM--> (lucid @ Apr 28 2004, 07:26 PM)
[email protected] 28 2004, 07:11 PM
I thought you republican idiots were supposed to be brown nosing the UK at the moment, because we supported your silly adventures, not calling us crybabies. Its quite ironic that you call all europeans cry babies, even the ones who supported you, in the very issue that supposedly made us crybabies.

Carry on boy, your providing great comedy.
First off I am not a republican. I do lean to the right but don&#39;t agree with some republican ideals. Second I don&#39;t brown nose anyone, not my boss, not my wife, and especially not Europeans.

Although British support is nice to have from a PR perspective it is by no means a necessity. We could of handled Saddam just as easily without you. I know this is something that you have a hard time swallowing but it is the truth nontheless.

I don&#39;t find it ironic in the least. Europe has turned into a leftist wanna be socialist shithole that has traded in freedom for security. [/b]
not my wife,

gutted for her.

I don&#39;t find it ironic in the least. Europe has turned into a leftist wanna be socialist shithole that has traded in freedom for security.

You dont even know what socialism is, so how you have come to that conclusions baffles even me.

[DaCuBaN]

My bad, I forgot that you only look at securities that are provided to you by others. Let me reiterate please. I have more self made security at 30 than you ever will.

And you&#39;ll probably die gun in hand without even spending 1/10th of what you&#39;ve greedily attained over the years. I&#39;m happy for you, really :rolleyes:

This is a fundental difference between myself and yourself - I actually give a fuck about other people - their welfare, their health and their contentment. I&#39;m not a self serving moron like you make yourself out to be


a faltering economy and dwindling natural resources, as well as a dying tourist industry. I fail to see where this stability comes from...


I do find it&#39;s funny that you commies seem to be more interested in planning for your failure instead of planning for success

You only addressed the first part of my argument about social welfare - what about the rest?


Although British support is nice to have from a PR perspective it is by no means a necessity. We could of handled Saddam just as easily without you. I know this is something that you have a hard time swallowing but it is the truth nontheless.

What we in the UK find hard to swallow is that we stuck our necks out for the most hated country in the world and receive no thanks. That we are not needed in this conflict merely adds insult to injury

[Capitalist Imperial]

Originally posted by [email protected] 28 2004, 07:31 PM
If we all used that same lame excuse America uses for war, this world would not exist for another minute.

ps. Europe beats America in Top-Trumps, if such a version of the game was around..

:P
what does that mean?

[IPkurd]

Are women somehow incapable of doing any wrong? or is it becuase they&#39;re wives?

Yes they are but thats not the point, Lucid is tlking about how compensating the famies is some how terrorism or incourages terrorism

[DaCuBaN]

Originally posted by Capitalist Imperial+Apr 28 2004, 08:18 PM--> (Capitalist Imperial @ Apr 28 2004, 08:18 PM)
[email protected] 28 2004, 07:31 PM
If we all used that same lame excuse America uses for war, this world would not exist for another minute.

ps. Europe beats America in Top-Trumps, if such a version of the game was around..

:P
what does that mean? [/b]
You never get top trumps when you were a kid? Cards with cars etc on them with stats, you compared stats. He&#39;s intimating Europe is better than USA. In many ways it is by my reckoning - more socialist tendenciesand some heritage that isn&#39;t rooted in bloody revolultion and murder, universal compliance with the Kyoto Agreement.

But that&#39;s not the debate so lets skip that - I wouldn&#39;t argue one is better than the other, as they are so apparently different a comparison is not feasible, unlike Imperial UK vs Imperial USA

[lucid]

Originally posted by [email protected] 28 2004, 08:29 PM

Are women somehow incapable of doing any wrong? or is it becuase they&#39;re wives?

Yes they are but thats not the point, Lucid is tlking about how compensating the famies is some how terrorism or incourages terrorism
Man you pinkies can twists shit around. I&#39;ll say something and after you put your spin on it I don&#39;t know what the hell your talking about.

Anyway, if you don&#39;t think that Saddam is supporting terrorists by giving the families of homicide bombers &#036;25,000 then your just ignorant. Just like you appologists are encouraging terrorism in a way. The leaders of these terror cells are not stupid and depend on people like you to further their cause. Bin Laden went as far as asking the EU nations for a peace agreement because he knows that you value security over freedom.

[DaCuBaN]

The leaders of these terror cells are not stupid and depend on people like you to further their cause.

*sigh*

Their cause is the fall of imperialist american, and withdrawl of imperialists from their lands. They are certainly &#39;misguided&#39; I would never dispute that, and they deserve condemnation for some of their actions. As for your comment it&#39;s pure farce: these &#39;terrorists&#39; rely not on the peace loving peoples of the west, but the authoritarians who decide a &#39;strong hand&#39; is what is required to fix the solution, as it rallies support against them. They are in effect shooting themselves in the foot by appearing as unreasonable as the &#39;terrorists&#39; themselves.


Man you pinkies can twists shit around. I&#39;ll say something and after you put your spin on it I don&#39;t know what the hell your talking about

I didn&#39;t understand what the hell you were trying to say in the first place, nor did i understand the &#39;pinkie&#39; rebuke - clarification please?

And it&#39;s not &#39;pinkies&#39; that twist everything - that&#39;s just the nature of debate - if you say something stupid you&#39;ll get called on it. We all do it, bite the bullet.

[IPkurd]

Anyway, if you don&#39;t think that Saddam is supporting terrorists by giving the families of homicide bombers &#036;25,000 then your just ignorant. Just like you appologists are encouraging terrorism in a way. The leaders of these terror cells are not stupid and depend on people like you to further their cause. Bin Laden went as far as asking the EU nations for a peace agreement because he knows that you value security over freedom.

I know saddam paid the money to the families, what im saying is that no one is gonna blow them selfs up just for money so saddam isn&#39;t incouraging them, if a suicide bomber want to kill isrealies then he/she will they wont be doing it so there families can live with more wealth.

[cubist]

Keep dreaming and keep your pipe filled cubist.

i i don&#39;t do pipes ya daft bastard, its called a joint rizzla plus ganja = joint not pipe,

anyways i will keep dreaming, i will keep dreaming and fighting for a place that will be equal fuck your reality it stinks enjoy it while you can.

i would rather be labelled a dreamer than support something that oppresses me and even worse pretend that it is a good thing that i am oppressed and exploited by someone who doesn&#39;t even know my name.

[lucid]

Originally posted by [email protected] 29 2004, 12:34 PM
Keep dreaming and keep your pipe filled cubist.

i i don&#39;t do pipes ya daft bastard, its called a joint rizzla plus ganja = joint not pipe,

anyways i will keep dreaming, i will keep dreaming and fighting for a place that will be equal fuck your reality it stinks enjoy it while you can.

i would rather be labelled a dreamer than support something that oppresses me and even worse pretend that it is a good thing that i am oppressed and exploited by someone who doesn&#39;t even know my name.
You oppress yourself.

[Osman Ghazi]

Ooh. Deep.

[RedAnarchist]

Lucid, it is YOU who oppress themselves. Your capitalist ways dont just oppress the working class, they oppress you. They make you ignorant, backwards and intolerant. You are a bigot, and that is unfortunate. Hopefully one day you will be able to free yourself from the cage youve locked yourself in.

[lucid]

Originally posted by [email protected] 29 2004, 01:05 PM
Lucid, it is YOU who oppress themselves. Your capitalist ways dont just oppress the working class, they oppress you. They make you ignorant, backwards and intolerant. You are a bigot, and that is unfortunate. Hopefully one day you will be able to free yourself from the cage youve locked yourself in.
So I need to free myself by expecting others to take care of me? I should free myself by making as much money as a garbage man with a crack habit?

Your the one that is ignorant of the ways the world works. How can I be backwards when more people share my beliefs than yours? Sounds like your the backwards one. And intolerant&#33; LMAO, please, you fucktards have really shown yourself to be tolerant of others :rolleyes:

Your the animal in the cage. Your the one with the fucked up logic that is unable to see the opportunity around you. Your the deadbeat that wants to rely on others to take care of you. You belong in a zoo.

[RedAnarchist]

You would put humans in a zoo?

Idiot.

Stay in your little delusion Lucid if you wih.

I dont wish for others to take care of me. I wish for an equal society where we work together for the good of society.

[lucid]

Originally posted by [email protected] 29 2004, 01:34 PM
You would put humans in a zoo?

Idiot.

Stay in your little delusion Lucid if you wih.

I dont wish for others to take care of me. I wish for an equal society where we work together for the good of society.
Humans are not equal. We are animals, some are lazy, some are greedy, some are mean, but we are not equal. If you think we are, or can be, then you are the delusional one. Even animals in the wild have a hierarchy. You can whine about it all you want but it&#39;s not gonna change a thing. In this world your the backwards one.

[RedAnarchist]

I dont worship money and material goods and fear a god, so I&#39;M th bakwards one?

I dont belive in patriotism or nationalism, so I&#39;M the backwards one?

[lucid]

Originally posted by [email protected] 29 2004, 01:44 PM
I dont worship money and material goods and fear a god, so I&#39;M th bakwards one?

I dont belive in patriotism or nationalism, so I&#39;M the backwards one?
I don&#39;t worship money or material goods either. I enjoy the security that money can bring for me and my family but thats it. I don&#39;t fear a higher power but I believe that one exists. In this day and age you are the backwards one. You ideals don&#39;t work with this world.

Your just another punk going against society. Maybe you where picked on to much in school. I dunno, but I am pretty sure that you will embrace anything that goes against the society you live in. Other kids on this board may think thats cool, but I think it&#39;s childish. Grow up.

[RedAnarchist]

I&#39;m not a kid. I&#39;m 18 years old.

I am not "just another punk". I am a left-winger, and always weill be.

[lucid]

Originally posted by [email protected] 29 2004, 01:53 PM
I&#39;m not a kid. I&#39;m 18 years old.

I am not "just another punk". I am a left-winger, and always weill be.
18 is still a teenager, your a kid.

[cubist]

AT last the REAL LUCID IS HERE


So I need to free myself by expecting others to take care of me? I should free myself by making as much money as a garbage man with a crack habit?

no you can continue doing what your doing now just vote as liberal as possible and side with the revolution when it comes, social equality isn&#39;t a requirement of you giving up your job its right of all people wouldn&#39;t you like free healthcare, free uni education for your family, free legal aide if ever needed,

i am not a truck driver or a crack head you ass, commies work like you do they just don&#39;t like why they have to work they don&#39;t like people being exploited, they are still normal people.


Your the one that is ignorant of the ways the world works. How can I be backwards when more people share my beliefs than yours? Sounds like your the backwards one. And intolerant&#33; LMAO, please, you fucktards have really shown yourself to be tolerant of others

more people share your beliefs taht doesn&#39;t make you right, 150 million people believe jesus christ doesn&#39;t make it more right than any smaller religion

we tolerate you calling us fucktards who want to make your life better i would say thats tolerating,






Your the animal in the cage. Your the one with the fucked up logic that is unable to see the opportunity around you. Your the deadbeat that wants to rely on others to take care of you. You belong in a zoo.

oppurtunity to do what exploit some poor young mexican thats just hopped over the border, i have missed no oppurtunity i have a job i go to work everyday i pay my taxes and my bills i feed myself and i live my life, i however

am ashamed of the system we live in becuase people like you don&#39;t care, irelevant of wether you think your not being exploited, you odn&#39;t care about sweat shops and third world countries you blindly label arabs an enemies becuase the threaten your country the threatened your country once, your buddies isreal and the zionist cronies that america supports are resonsible for killing so many more people that bin laden, and your dislike of sadam wasn&#39;t for the humanity of iraqi&#39;s if it was you would have done it the UN way,

you don&#39;t belong in a zoo you don&#39;t belong anywhere but where you are, you just need to WAKE up and wash the blood from your hands that your countryu spilt just so you can drive a V8 around that does 8 miles to the gallon, you need to wake up and see the dead bodies of the starving in africa becuase globalization isn&#39;t doing it properly its doing a little bit but its making one hell of lot more for your economy, Fair business to you is exploitation to me, fair business to me is osmething you fail to understand you just think were crack head freeloaders, well keep thinking that becuase the giant red hand of revolution is going to slap your ASS one day and you are scared to fuck about that&#33; just like george and the presidents before him

[Misodoctakleidist]

Originally posted by [email protected] 28 2004, 09:08 PM
Bin Laden went as far as asking the EU nations for a peace agreement because he knows that you value security over freedom.
:lol: How ironic, the US government value freedom over security so much that they passed the "patriot act."

How exactly woul a nation lose freedom by agreeing peace with Bin Laden anyway? Except of course their freedom to pillage from weaker nation in the name of "freedom..." oh wait...i forgot that "freedom" means "what the american government want."

[Capitalist Imperial]

Originally posted by [email protected] 29 2004, 03:17 PM

oppurtunity to do what exploit some poor young mexican thats just hopped over the border, i have missed no oppurtunity i have a job i go to work everyday i pay my taxes and my bills i feed myself and i live my life, i however


You see, this is the preposterous, incredibly insane nature of leftist thinking.

The young Mexican hops the border, often times illegally, to beg for work, often taking jobs from those immigrants that are following immigration law and going through due process.

And we are expoliting him? We must have planted a probe in his head and transmitted a sattellite signal forcing him to illegally come to our country and allow himself to be exploited.

Does your illogical and unfounded apologism know no bounds?

[lucid]

Originally posted by Misodoctakleidist+Apr 29 2004, 04:43 PM--> (Misodoctakleidist @ Apr 29 2004, 04:43 PM)
[email protected] 28 2004, 09:08 PM
Bin Laden went as far as asking the EU nations for a peace agreement because he knows that you value security over freedom.
:lol: How ironic, the US government value freedom over security so much that they passed the "patriot act."

How exactly woul a nation lose freedom by agreeing peace with Bin Laden anyway? Except of course their freedom to pillage from weaker nation in the name of "freedom..." oh wait...i forgot that "freedom" means "what the american government want." [/b]
You really do have an amazing ability to ignore the atrocities committed by Saddam and Al Queda. If we wanted Iraq we would of taken it 12 years ago. If Israel wanted the West Bank they could take it and drive all those Islamic freaks out.

Oh, one more thing. I checked out your homepage. Did you learn web design at those wonderful european schools? Real nice work :rolleyes: That hog that you call a goddess needs a belt. It looks like she holding up her pants with shoe laces. She is a perfect example of what inbreading has done to Europe.

[Misodoctakleidist]

How dare you say those horrible things about jane&#33; :angry:

You really have an amazing ability to ignore the atrocities commited by the USA, try checking the Amnesty International web-site.

Did you know that in 1986 the USA vetoed a UN resolution calling for all nations to comply with international law, now why would they do that?

[Capitalist Imperial]

Originally posted by [email protected] 29 2004, 05:20 PM

Oh, one more thing. I checked out your homepage. Did you learn web design at those wonderful european schools? Real nice work :rolleyes: That hog that you call a goddess needs a belt. It looks like she holding up her pants with shoe laces. She is a perfect example of what inbreading has done to Europe.
LOL, LOL, Man, that was gold&#33;&#33;&#33; :lol:

[toastedmonkey]

hey leave jane alone you nobhead&#33;

why do you bother if your not even attempting to have a debate, instead you are exchanging insults about each others cultures beliefs and countries.

Could you not at least attempt to have a debate without slurs, and if the otehr person does it first just dont slump to their level, they are not worth debating with if they aint gonna be reasonable.

[NYC4Ever]

I hate this leftist mentality of the US being the big bad one in Latin America. We dont force people to come here, they come here on thier behalf. IF anyone is taking advantage of them its Europe. Upon my travels to Latin America I encountered far more European products than American ones. The people there hated Americans but wanted to come for the work, they adored Europe and love its beautiful culture but know it takes money (from the US) to move and live happily in Spain, France, Italy or Portugal (Among the many favorites in Latin America). The Euro-Latin Countries.
If you watch Latino Tv nearly all of the people on there are left over white Spaniards. They adore and admire Spain and see themselves as kin. I think thats sick on behalf of the many Spanish singers trying to pose as Latinos appealing to the Latin American crowd. Every Spaniard from here to Madrid thinks he can burst into the Latino market because he&#39;s from "La Madre Patria" and usually has fair skin and colored hair to attract an audience. I mean the closest thing we come to this is flying on over to Japan because they love American pop stars, but anyone of any race can make it in Japan from America.
This is one of the many examples of European exploitation in Latin America. Yet, Europe is never a question to the people in Latin America or leftists in general. Its always America, America, America. You guys wont even let us call ourselves America, because Canadians can also be Americans and so can Mexicans. But they dont have America in their name&#33; So I think we can use it, unless you want to call us Statesmen? The freedoms here in America are, or were actually, because of our busting open markets and charity. Now, you guys want to change all that, and begin by making America look like Canada or the EU. And then you guys wonder about higher wages and more jobs&#33; Then what is America all about then if not its open markets? Its just another brick in the wall like the rest. And that is what leftists want is a world without borders, and a global socialist society. Because ,to switch the words of Bush, leftists think : You&#39;re with us or against us.

[lucid]

Not only is she ugly she must also be pretty stupid to hang around with a bunch of keyboard commies that strive to live off of wellfare.

toastedmonkey, every pink asshole on this board has been dogging the US culture. I am simply dishing it back. There are so many holes in your ideals it&#39;s not very hard.

One more thing. Amnesty International can kiss my arse.

[Capitalist Imperial]

I don&#39;t even understand why the Latins don&#39;t think Ameirca is beautiful. The United States has far more natural and varied beauty than Europe.

Europe has more classic architecture, and that is cool, but the US has a much cooler landscape, from Alaska to Florida, San Diego to Maine, we have the most beautiful land on earth.

[Osman Ghazi]

"From sea to shining sea"

*cries*

CI, that was just so beautiful

[DaCuBaN]

Humans are not equal. We are animals, some are lazy, some are greedy, some are mean, but we are not equal. If you think we are, or can be, then you are the delusional one. Even animals in the wild have a hierarchy

It depends on your outlook on life. Saying &#39;Communism&#33; What an Idea&#33; Let us Revolt comrades&#33;&#39; is just as bad as talking about those &#39;damn lazy pink commies, it&#39;ll never work. Dreamers&#39; or some such. Each is intolerant as the other as they allow no room for debate and compromise.


She is a perfect example of what inbreading has done to Europe

Learn how to debate please, I&#39;m really not in the mood for another slagging match.

I do however find it odd that most Americans think Europeans are inbred and vice versa :rolleyes:


One more thing. Amnesty International can kiss my arse[/quyote]

Keep showing those colours

[quote]Europe has more classic architecture, and that is cool, but the US has a much cooler landscape, from Alaska to Florida, San Diego to Maine, we have the most beautiful land on earth.

Yes, you do have a very beautiful country. I spent a few months up in Grants Pass oregon, then down through california on the 101 (wonderful drive) and then across nevada to hoover and the grand canyon. It is a truly stunning place, and one of the few things that the US govt has done right was to setup the national parks in some of these areas to variously protect the rock formations/redwood trees etc.

I don&#39;t bash the USA for fun - I do it to try and get people to see what their administration is doing to the world in their name.


Not only is she ugly she must also be pretty stupid to hang around with a bunch of keyboard commies that strive to live off of wellfare

You simply don&#39;t understand the concept of socialist welfare. What if I was to come round tomorrow (this is hyopthetical you understand) and break your back paralysing you. If you didn&#39;t have medical insurance you&#39;d be totally up shit creek, and even with it it would not keep you at the standard of life you are accustomed to. Under a socialist welfare system if this happens to you, the whole of society would be chipping in to keep you alive, healthy and as happy as possible. What&#39;s your beef with that?

[lucid]

I have insurance that would cover that. I also have a family that isn&#39;t filled with a bunch of deadbeats like yourself.

[DaCuBaN]

I have insurance that would cover that. I also have a family that isn&#39;t filled with a bunch of deadbeats like yourself

You&#39;ve also got a reading difficulty


You simply don&#39;t understand the concept of socialist welfare. What if I was to come round tomorrow (this is hyopthetical you understand) and break your back paralysing you. If you didn&#39;t have medical insurance you&#39;d be totally up shit creek, and even with it it would not keep you at the standard of life you are accustomed to. Under a socialist welfare system if this happens to you, the whole of society would be chipping in to keep you alive, healthy and as happy as possible. What&#39;s your beef with that?

Care to comment?

[lucid]

Originally posted by [email protected] 29 2004, 07:34 PM

I have insurance that would cover that. I also have a family that isn&#39;t filled with a bunch of deadbeats like yourself

You&#39;ve also got a reading difficulty


You simply don&#39;t understand the concept of socialist welfare. What if I was to come round tomorrow (this is hyopthetical you understand) and break your back paralysing you. If you didn&#39;t have medical insurance you&#39;d be totally up shit creek, and even with it it would not keep you at the standard of life you are accustomed to. Under a socialist welfare system if this happens to you, the whole of society would be chipping in to keep you alive, healthy and as happy as possible. What&#39;s your beef with that?

Care to comment?
My bad, I forgot that I was talking a bum that doesn&#39;t know what insurance is. What I meant to say is that I pay into something called insurance and would receive a very large sum of money if I became paralyzed. I also have a wife that is going to school and will be working soon. I am not worried about it. If you would get off you ass and get a good job you would have less worries too.

[Invader Zim]

Originally posted by Capitalist [email protected] 29 2004, 06:12 PM
I don&#39;t even understand why the Latins don&#39;t think Ameirca is beautiful. The United States has far more natural and varied beauty than Europe.

Europe has more classic architecture, and that is cool, but the US has a much cooler landscape, from Alaska to Florida, San Diego to Maine, we have the most beautiful land on earth.
we have the most beautiful land on earth.

bollocks

http://www.wildland.com/wildnews/images/chi_Osorno_Farmland.jpg

http://worldtrip.iwebland.com/GIFs/MEDEUR/CD411625.jpg

http://www.jasonbaker.net/world/andorra/pyrenees-green-valley2.jpg

http://www.robinsonscandinavia.com/page_pic/s_fjaerland.jpg

http://www.bamjam.net/Scandinavia/images/troll2.jpg

http://www.steamdreams.co.uk/picsnew/whitecliffs.jpg

http://hiddentrails.com/europe/france/images/alsace-scenery-village.jpg

http://historylink102.com/italy/north-italy-landscape.jpg

Europe has as much diversity, and I cant believe you mentioned that hole florida, a land of swamps and mozzies.

[DaCuBaN]

Europe has as much diversity, and I cant believe you mentioned that hole florida, a land of swamps and mozzies.

FLAT land of swamps and mozzies. Not even a mound in site ;)

But considering I&#39;m from scotland - bogland with midgies and not a flat land in site I should probably stay outta this one :D

[Capitalist Imperial]

Originally posted by Enigma+Apr 29 2004, 07:42 PM--> (Enigma @ Apr 29 2004, 07:42 PM)
Capitalist [email protected] 29 2004, 06:12 PM
I don&#39;t even understand why the Latins don&#39;t think Ameirca is beautiful. The United States has far more natural and varied beauty than Europe.

Europe has more classic architecture, and that is cool, but the US has a much cooler landscape, from Alaska to Florida, San Diego to Maine, we have the most beautiful land on earth.
we have the most beautiful land on earth.

bollocks

http://www.wildland.com/wildnews/images/chi_Osorno_Farmland.jpg

http://worldtrip.iwebland.com/GIFs/MEDEUR/CD411625.jpg

http://www.jasonbaker.net/world/andorra/pyrenees-green-valley2.jpg

http://www.robinsonscandinavia.com/page_pic/s_fjaerland.jpg

http://www.bamjam.net/Scandinavia/images/troll2.jpg

http://www.steamdreams.co.uk/picsnew/whitecliffs.jpg

http://hiddentrails.com/europe/france/images/alsace-scenery-village.jpg

http://historylink102.com/italy/north-italy-landscape.jpg

Europe has as much diversity, and I cant believe you mentioned that hole florida, a land of swamps and mozzies. [/b]
Those pictures are beautiful, but the thing is, Enigma, that Europe does not have the same diversity. We have mountains, countryside, and medows just like you show in those pictures, and more.

Have you seen the desert at sunset?

The granite outcroppings at Yosemite?

The expansive, almost endless geometric beauty of the American midwest crops?

The Napa Valley?

Lake Tahoe?

Florida has a tropical climate, something that Europe does not have.

And Europe would have a hard titime comparing themselves to thewe whole of Alaska.

Europe can&#39;t compare.

[Osman Ghazi]

Those pictures are beautiful, but the thing is, Enigma, that Europe does not have the same diversity. We have mountains, countryside, and medows just like you show in those pictures, and more.

Have you seen the desert at sunset?

The granite outcroppings at Yosemite?

The expansive, almost endless geometric beauty of the American midwest crops?

The Napa Valley?

Lake Tahoe?

Florida has a tropical climate, something that Europe does not have.

And Europe would have a hard titime comparing themselves to thewe whole of Alaska.

Europe can&#39;t compare.

Ummm... there are deserts in Spain.

Considering that in Europe there are about 3 major mountain ranges, there are no doubt countless granite outcroppings.

The Loire Vally?

Lake Geneva?

Portugal and Spain are fairly tropical in climate.

I imagine that North Finland is quite similar to Alaska, though I&#39;ve never been.

[toastedmonkey]

oh come on guys, your fucking arguing about who has the nicest landscape&#33;

it has nothing to do with political ideologies, and is really something 7 years old would argue about

get a grip

[DaCuBaN]

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Trying to tame the members of OI? I think I&#39;m going to give up... ;)

[lucid]

My daddy is stronger than your daddy.

[toastedmonkey]

Originally posted by [email protected] 29 2004, 06:54 PM
Not only is she ugly she must also be pretty stupid to hang around with a bunch of keyboard commies that strive to live off of wellfare.

toastedmonkey, every pink asshole on this board has been dogging the US culture. I am simply dishing it back. There are so many holes in your ideals it&#39;s not very hard.

One more thing. Amnesty International can kiss my arse.
Fucking cut it out man&#33;

no-one has said anything about your bleeding friends, this has nothing to do with looks of people&#33;

she has nothing to do with this website or politics at all, thier really is no fucking need for it&#33;

[DaCuBaN]

I think this thread&#39;s got slightly off track. Where was I....

Lucid:
What if I was to come round tomorrow (this is hyopthetical you understand) and break your back, paralysing you. If you didn&#39;t have medical insurance you&#39;d be totally up shit creek, and even with it it would not keep you at the standard of life you are accustomed to. Under a socialist welfare system if this happens to you, the whole of society would be chipping in to keep you alive, healthy and as happy as possible. What&#39;s your beef with that?

I understand if you don&#39;t wish to respond of course, but let me know - ignoring people certainly doesn&#39;t resolve the issue <_< ;)

[lucid]

Uhh, no.

Say anything you want to about my friends.

She does have something to do with this site. He has a link to her ugly mug. I had to look at it and almost lost my lunch. Why you getting so upset? You poking her to?

Fat chicks are like mopeds. They are fun to ride but don&#39;t let you friends see you on one.

[lucid]

Originally posted by [email protected] 29 2004, 09:02 PM
I think this thread&#39;s got slightly off track. Where was I....

Lucid:
What if I was to come round tomorrow (this is hyopthetical you understand) and break your back, paralysing you. If you didn&#39;t have medical insurance you&#39;d be totally up shit creek, and even with it it would not keep you at the standard of life you are accustomed to. Under a socialist welfare system if this happens to you, the whole of society would be chipping in to keep you alive, healthy and as happy as possible. What&#39;s your beef with that?

I understand if you don&#39;t wish to respond of course, but let me know - ignoring people certainly doesn&#39;t resolve the issue <_< ;)
First off let me say that the percentage of people that will be unable to work is low. So I don&#39;t think it makes since to change our entire social system to cater to a small amount of people. Now don&#39;t get me wrong, I do think people in the position should be allowed to get assistance but that can be done with socialism.
I don&#39;t think socialised medicine is as good as the US&#39;s. I think that people that can afford good medical care will suffer if we change for a small number of people.

I have no problem with people being alive, healthy and happy. I have a problem with turning the whole world into social slaves to acheive it.

[Invader Zim]

Originally posted by Capitalist [email protected] 29 2004, 07:54 PM
Those pictures are beautiful, but the thing is, Enigma, that Europe does not have the same diversity. We have mountains, countryside, and medows just like you show in those pictures, and more.

Have you seen the desert at sunset?

The granite outcroppings at Yosemite?

The expansive, almost endless geometric beauty of the American midwest crops?

The Napa Valley?

Lake Tahoe?

Florida has a tropical climate, something that Europe does not have.

And Europe would have a hard titime comparing themselves to thewe whole of Alaska.

Europe can&#39;t compare.
that Europe does not have the same diversity.

Ohh please, we have from Tundra to temperate to desert.

Have you seen the desert at sunset?

I&#39;m sure that the people of spain have.

The granite outcroppings at Yosemite?

The grante outcroppings at Dartmoor?

The expansive, almost endless geometric beauty of the American midwest crops?

The praries are horrible, but yeah I have see endless crops before, I live in the shires of England, mate.

The Napa Valley?

I have know nothing about the Napa valley except that thay rather average wine their. So I say basically go to anywhere in the south of France. If your looking for a good view though go to the bottom of the Pyraneese mountains, one of the most beutiful places I have ever had the pleasure of visiting, and they grow wine.

Lake Tahoe?

Lake Windamere? Europe has hundereds of lakes, lakes are not unique to the US you know.

Florida has a tropical climate, something that Europe does not have.

No, we have a meditteranian climate, which in terms of asthetic value is infinatly better than tropical swamps, which is what they are, I have been to florida, where it is too hot in the morning and pisses down with rain in the afternoon, and I used to live in the Isle of man, I know rain, its nothing special. Though I will admit tropical area&#39;s usually have nice beaches. But then again Spain has nice beaches.

And Europe would have a hard titime comparing themselves to thewe whole of Alaska.

No we have the whole of Scandinavia instead, which is also renound for its places of exquisit beauty, just as Alaska is, we also have Northen Russia (european side not Asia, I dont think you would let me get away with that one.)

Europe can&#39;t compare.

Europe can and just did.

[Guest1]

Small number of people??

In september 2002, 16.1 % of all Americans under 65 had no medical coverage.

Small number my fucking ass.

[DaCuBaN]

http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/us.html

I never really expected it to be quite so condemning. They certainly refute Capitalist Imperials points about technological and economical supremacy.


The onrush of technology largely explains the gradual development of a "two-tier labor market" in which those at the bottom lack the education and the professional/technical skills of those at the top and, more and more, fail to get comparable pay raises, health insurance coverage, and other benefits. Since 1975, practically all the gains in household income have gone to the top 20% of households

Even the CIA agree :)

[lucid]

Originally posted by Che y [email protected] 29 2004, 09:37 PM
Small number of people??

In september 2002, 16.1 % of all Americans under 65 had no medical coverage.

Small number my fucking ass.
Minority by far.

[DaCuBaN]

16% of what, 350 million people?

56 million people.... that&#39;s the same as the population of the UK, or France, or Germany.... That&#39;s appalling. What I find quite funny is we all pay less in a socialist system and everyone benefits from it, whereas in privatised healthcare you either pay absurd amounts on demand or extorsionate levels of medical insurance and still only the few see the benefits.

Self preservation and lack of thought for others is all this comes down to in my mind.

[Capitalist Imperial]

Enigma, How are you going to say that Napa Valley wines are "average"? They regularly compete with French wines, and often win. I&#39;d bet dollars to donuts you couldn&#39;t tell the difference between the two.

[Invader Zim]

Originally posted by Capitalist [email protected] 29 2004, 10:23 PM
Enigma, How are you going to say that Napa Valley wines are "average"? They regularly compete with French wines, and often win. I&#39;d bet dollars to donuts you couldn&#39;t tell the difference between the two.
No I doubt I could, all wine tastes like piss, in my opinion, I&#39;m more into lager and ale&#39;s.

but I am told by a friend, quite the cynosure, that he thought that Napa valley wines were average.

Of course i doubt you will believe me, and it is all opinion, but I will take his word for it.

[Capitalist Imperial]

Originally posted by Enigma+Apr 29 2004, 10:32 PM--> (Enigma @ Apr 29 2004, 10:32 PM)
Capitalist [email protected] 29 2004, 10:23 PM
Enigma, How are you going to say that Napa Valley wines are "average"? They regularly compete with French wines, and often win. I&#39;d bet dollars to donuts you couldn&#39;t tell the difference between the two.
No I doubt I could, all wine tastes like piss, in my opinion, I&#39;m more into lager and ale&#39;s.

but I am told by a friend, quite the cynosure, that he thought that Napa valley wines were average.

Of course i doubt you will believe me, and it is all opinion, but I will take his word for it. [/b]
To say the "Napa Valley Wnesare average" is like saying "americans are ingorant"

Some are, some are not. Some are even cheaper than average, some are exquisite, just like european, even french, wines.

But, I can tell you with certainty that Napa Valley wine is easily on Paar with Souther French Wine

And American beer is catching up with the Euro&#39;s too&#33;&#33;&#33;

[Invader Zim]

Originally posted by [email protected] 29 2004, 10:15 PM
16% of what, 350 million people?

56 million people.... that&#39;s the same as the population of the UK, or France, or Germany.... That&#39;s appalling. What I find quite funny is we all pay less in a socialist system and everyone benefits from it, whereas in privatised healthcare you either pay absurd amounts on demand or extorsionate levels of medical insurance and still only the few see the benefits.

Self preservation and lack of thought for others is all this comes down to in my mind.
actually the US only has a poulation of about 293 million, 16% of that is 46,880,000

germanies population is about 80,000,000.

nearly doubt that but, i get your point.

The UK population is around 61,000,000.

[DaCuBaN]

Enigma: my apologies... I tried to make it obvious that the figures were off the top of my head

I never realised Germany had gotten so BIG though... last time I checked it was about 65 million :o


And American beer is catching up with the Euro&#39;s too&#33;&#33;&#33;

pah&#33; piss water the lot of it ;)

Seriously though, the mainstreamers (bud, coors etc) are nothing to shout about, but there are plenty of micro brewers popping up all over the states that make decent beer

&#39;Great White&#39; is one I tried on my trips, along with &#39;Pete&#39;s Wicked&#39; - both were perfectly acceptable

But if they EVER try to put a lemon slice in my beer again I&#39;ll flip :angry: :rolleyes: :lol:

[Invader Zim]

Originally posted by Capitalist Imperial+Apr 29 2004, 10:38 PM--> (Capitalist Imperial @ Apr 29 2004, 10:38 PM)
Originally posted by [email protected] 29 2004, 10:32 PM

Capitalist [email protected] 29 2004, 10:23 PM
Enigma, How are you going to say that Napa Valley wines are "average"? They regularly compete with French wines, and often win. I&#39;d bet dollars to donuts you couldn&#39;t tell the difference between the two.
No I doubt I could, all wine tastes like piss, in my opinion, I&#39;m more into lager and ale&#39;s.

but I am told by a friend, quite the cynosure, that he thought that Napa valley wines were average.

Of course i doubt you will believe me, and it is all opinion, but I will take his word for it.


And American beer is catching up with the Euro&#39;s too&#33;&#33;&#33; [/b]
I will take your opinions of US wine and see what my friend has to say about it, but for now I will take your word for it.

But as for beer, US lager is poor, especially commercial lagers. The most popular, Bud is foul, far too sickly. The best commercial beer, in my opinion is Stella Artois. If your after a great british beer then i suggest you try Spitfire smooth a cask version of their ale. Nice stuff, in my opinion. But usually I stick to your normal lagers. Like I said bud is foul, not as bad as some shit, IE Kronemberg (cant even spell it) which is just nasty.

[Capitalist Imperial]

Originally posted by Enigma+Apr 29 2004, 10:55 PM--> (Enigma @ Apr 29 2004, 10:55 PM)
Originally posted by Capitalist [email protected] 29 2004, 10:38 PM

Originally posted by [email protected] 29 2004, 10:32 PM

Capitalist [email protected] 29 2004, 10:23 PM
Enigma, How are you going to say that Napa Valley wines are "average"? They regularly compete with French wines, and often win. I&#39;d bet dollars to donuts you couldn&#39;t tell the difference between the two.
No I doubt I could, all wine tastes like piss, in my opinion, I&#39;m more into lager and ale&#39;s.

but I am told by a friend, quite the cynosure, that he thought that Napa valley wines were average.

Of course i doubt you will believe me, and it is all opinion, but I will take his word for it.


And American beer is catching up with the Euro&#39;s too&#33;&#33;&#33;
I will take your opinions of US wine and see what my friend has to say about it, but for now I will take your word for it.

But as for beer, US lager is poor, especially commercial lagers. The most popular, Bud is foul, far too sickly. The best commercial beer, in my opinion is Stella Artois. If your after a great british beer then i suggest you try Spitfire smooth a cask version of their ale. Nice stuff, in my opinion. But usually I stick to your normal lagers. Like I said bud is foul, not as bad as some shit, IE Kronemberg (cant even spell it) which is just nasty. [/b]
Yes, I agree, Those cheap Lagers like bud and coors suck, but there are some very good American microbrew companies that make good beer. Samuel Adams (Named after thre great patriot) is good, so is sierra nevada, and alaska amber. Pyramid Heferweisen is very good too. There are countless quality beers emerging in the US

These are all Ales and stouts, not crappy lagers.

But we drink them cold.

[Osman Ghazi]

I think fireworks should be legal on the 4th of July.


Although I don&#39;t buy into the whole nationalism thing, I have to interject that Canadian beer is the best. Some, like Blue are pretty disgusting, but Canadian is pretty good at it does its job better than any American or Euro beer. (More alcohol, you see; that&#39;s what its for.)

[Capitalist Imperial]

Originally posted by Osman [email protected] 29 2004, 11:39 PM

I think fireworks should be legal on the 4th of July.


Although I don&#39;t buy into the whole nationalism thing, I have to interject that Canadian beer is the best. Some, like Blue are pretty disgusting, but Canadian is pretty good at it does its job better than any American or Euro beer. (More alcohol, you see; that&#39;s what its for.)
There are good and bad beers wherever you go.