Vote Nader for peace !!!!

[Agent provocateur]

My Webpage (http://www.votenader.org)

[truthaddict11]

No Thanks I dont vote, How can you connect Nader to Class War?

[Agent provocateur]

Originally posted by [email protected] 24 2004, 10:43 PM
No Thanks I dont vote, How can you connect Nader to Class War?
What do you know of Nader, my man? That is my first question.

Noam Chomsky:

"My feeling is pretty much the way it was in the year 2000. I admire Ralph Nader and Denis Kucinich very much, and insofar as they bring up issues and carry out an educational and organisational function - that's important, and fine, and I support it."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/voices/stor...1168160,00.html (http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/voices/story/0,12820,1168160,00.html)

http://www.issues2000.org/Ralph_Nader.htm

http://www.salon.com/bc/1999/01/26bc.html

http://www.nader.org/history_bollier.html

[truthaddict11]

Nader is nothing but an old consumer advocate with progressive ideas thats all. Dont link him one bit to class war, he doesnt want to destroy capitalism only put a human face on it with reforms. Bourgeosie "elections" arent going to destroy capitalism. Nader is just some old relic that democrats who dont like the current trend of democrats and cheer for him and by the looks of it most of those who supported Nader in 2000 have now are supporting Kerry.

[Agent provocateur]

Originally posted by [email protected] 24 2004, 10:56 PM
Nader is nothing but an old consumer advocate with progressive ideas thats all. Dont link him one bit to class war, he doesnt want to destroy capitalism only put a human face on it with reforms. Bourgeosie "elections" arent going to destroy capitalism. Nader is just some old relic that democrats who dont like the current trend of democrats and cheer for him and by the looks of it most of those who supported Nader in 2000 have now are supporting Kerry.
"... By not voting for Nader in favor of Kerry you would simply be trying for some short term goal. American politics is a machine. That machine has steadily been building internal pressure against the whole of the American population. Stances like voting for Kerry instead of Nader is releasing a small amount of the ever building pressure in order to alleviate some of the conflict. I'm voting for Nader, putting more pressure on the machine. someday the motherfucker's going to blow; someday that is, unless we keep releasing a little pressure at a time" [by voting for Kerry or by not voting at all].

by Alejandro C. Posted on the Che site on Feb 24 2004, 02:31 AM


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4816931/

[truthaddict11]

how does a quote from a che-lives member mean anything? Bourgeosie "elections" are worthless to communists! Nader only wants reforms he doesnt want to destroy capitalism. You can "vote" for any "progressive" canidate who wish it doesnt mean that they will "win" the upper class controls the "elections" not the people, so why should be rely on them one bit. I think the old phrase "If Voting Changed Anything They Would Make It Illegal" best describes our situation.

[Agent provocateur]

Originally posted by [email protected] 24 2004, 11:21 PM
how does a quote from a che-lives member mean anything? Bourgeosie "elections" are worthless to communists! Nader only wants reforms he doesnt want to destroy capitalism. You can "vote" for any "progressive" canidate who wish it doesnt mean that they will "win" the upper class controls the "elections" not the people, so why should be rely on them one bit. I think the old phrase "If Voting Changed Anything They Would Make It Illegal" best describes our situation.
Capitalism doesn't exist in the USA !!!!! And I'm paraphrasing Noam Chomsky on this subject. Watch his video:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detai...?v=glance&s=dvd (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B00008XS1C/qid=1082849273/sr=1-3/ref=sr_1_3/103-0809447-1002229?v=glance&s=dvd)

He said we have a system in which the elite would lose their privileges if capitalism would flourish. He said he has other ideas such as workers comittees who would control their own destinies

[truthaddict11]

why dont you give your own opinion instead of quoting chomsky very damn time?

[Agent provocateur]

Originally posted by [email protected] 24 2004, 11:52 PM
why dont you give your own opinion instead of quoting chomsky very damn time?
My opinion doesn't matter.

http://www.chomsky.info/

[truthaddict11]

then why are you posting this Nader 2004 crap?

[Dan_Canadian]

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[elijahcraig]

I very much agree with Chomsky, though I'm most likely not going to vote.

[Kurai Tsuki]

I'll definately vote for Nader.

[Pawn Power]

Nadar is definatly the best choice we got for president, but he will never be elected and even if he is it still wont give us our communist state that we all desire.

[Hiero]

Since the revolutionin in america isnt around the corner i would adivse voting, even if its not for ameirca do it for the rest of the world.

Please vote.

[Touchstone]

There is no possible way Nader is going to get POTUS. Nader is by far the best choice in 2004. If I could vote for him, I would.

[DEPAVER]

I'll support Nader, and did in the last election.

Sure, it may be a vote that actually helps Bxxx, but I don't see a whole lot of difference between Kerry and Bxxx. They're both just wealthy, spoiled, professional politicians that supported the war and represent more of the same.

Perpaps Kerry is more kind to the environment and non-human animals, but if you are a war supporter, how kind are you to the environment?

I'll support Nader simply to show my support for changing the status quo. And for all those that say he can't win and won't vote for him for that reason, well, I say he can't win because of you.

[Louis Pio]

The choice you have is that of voting for 3 guys all part of the american elite. Nader is just a bit poorer than the others but still rich. Like the others nader don't belive in the right to unionise

In 1984, as reported by The Washington Post and the Columbia Journalism Review, Ralph Nader, the perennial Green Party presidential candidate, had the entire editorial staff of Multinational Monitor, a magazine Nader founded and funded, fired shortly after they applied to the NLRB for union recognition. Nader, thanks to his investment portfolio, was worth $2.9 million dollars in 2000

[Lacrimi de Chiciură]

not enough people will support him to get him into office. its just like taking votes and giving them to Bush

[DEPAVER]

Originally posted by [email protected] 26 2004, 12:47 PM
The choice you have is that of voting for 3 guys all part of the american elite. Nader is just a bit poorer than the others but still rich. Like the others nader don't belive in the right to unionise

I'm not sure what you mean by "elite." Is that anyone with a net worth over $1 million? $100,000? $50,000?

He is by far a better choice than the other two bozos, and I believe we have to be willing to take incremental steps toward building a better society. Someone with Nader's views would be a dramatic improvement over what we've had.

[Louis Pio]

He is by far a better choice than the other two bozos, and I believe we have to be willing to take incremental steps toward building a better society.

Well we already know what he thinks about unions...
Nader wouldn't be able to take these steps even if he wanted to, because he will never break with capitalism. How would Nader be able to force them to give any of their wealth back then?

[Agent provocateur]

Originally posted by [email protected] 26 2004, 12:47 PM
The choice you have is that of voting for 3 guys all part of the american elite. Nader is just a bit poorer than the others but still rich. Like the others nader don't belive in the right to unionise

In 1984, as reported by The Washington Post and the Columbia Journalism Review, Ralph Nader, the perennial Green Party presidential candidate, had the entire editorial staff of Multinational Monitor, a magazine Nader founded and funded, fired shortly after they applied to the NLRB for union recognition. Nader, thanks to his investment portfolio, was worth $2.9 million dollars in 2000
Nader does believe in unions. You are a fraud , buddy!



http://www.issues2000.org/2004/Ralph_Nader_Jobs.htm#Labor

[Louis Pio]

Well maybe in theory, but if he fires people because they unionise he must have a problem living up to what he preach.

[Bucketmaster101]

Im not American, but seeing as i am studying US politics at the moment, i have a great deal of interest in what is going on. Everyone in my class seems to think he's just "the green candidate", which pisses me off, because in my opinion, he is, in my opinion, the best candidate on offer for what "we" want, although.... we could still do better-W.

[bootleg42]

Capitalism doesn't exist in the USA !!!!! And I'm paraphrasing Noam Chomsky on this subject. Watch his video:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detai...?v=glance&s=dvd (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B00008XS1C/qid=1082849273/sr=1-3/ref=sr_1_3/103-0809447-1002229?v=glance&s=dvd)

He said we have a system in which the elite would lose their privileges if capitalism would flourish. He said he has other ideas such as workers comittees who would control their own destinies

I know this person was banned and it is an old post but I'd like to respond to it.

Chomsky has said that the U.S. and other western states don't follow free-market policies when it negatively affects them, that is true. He states that the ruling class force free-market doctrines down other poor people's throat but they don't practice it on themselves.

He is NOT saying this is support of capitalism. He is saying this to show the hypocrisy of the ruling class and he is also showing how terrible capitalism is, that the ruling class won't even want it to the fullest extent because even they know that if they went to a completely free-market (ala the right-wing libertarians dream), the economy would collapse, a ton of people who had work before would lose jobs or have conditions that are as close to slavery as you can get to, and revolts and revolutions would surely and quickly occur.

[RNK]

Of course, like all aspects of capitalism, notions of "free market" are manipulated for the best interests of the ruling class. The "free market" vs "protectionism" is just one of the many minor contradictions between sections of the capitalist class. I personally do not know why such importance is placed on these idiotic festivals in exploitation. Whether its free market or protectionist, we lose.