Disturbing qoute about holocaust

[Dirty Commie]

"We all know that the holocaust never really happened, but now it's history. When we overcome we will rewrite our own history, whether it be true or not."


This was a quote from some nazi board I keep an eye on...Are they actually that dumb to believe this? I've alwasy questioned the intelligence of anyone who is a racist...but this is a whole new level of idiocy.

[Wiesty]

Damn Nazis,
What a @#@$%^# way to surgar coat their destruction of Europe 70-years ago. If they think they can just try and make the world forget the devestation and destruction they have done to the Jewish community

[Hate Is Art]

And thos 12 Million people just dissapeard *POOF* into air&#33; <_<

[palestine_forever]

ahem, you mean 6 million jews, or including other minorities affected; 15 million people

[atlanticche]

i hate myself for this but i think i can give an explanation for their beliefs



ok first they hate different "races" they are extremely nationalist and love their country and do not want to see it harmed which they believe is being done when there are different "races", this giving them the incentive to believe that the history books which have written about the holocaust and have given proof for it are lies and were written by jews or balck people or whoever, so as to put their nation down and attack it, so they are clever enough to think there is a conspiracy and even perhaps know the meaning of the word, so then they believe that it is all lies, even if a small bit has been lied about somewhere along the line in history it doesnt even have to be related to nazis just proof that historians lie,


so in conclusion yes they are idiots




this is just my view on the matter



holy shit i didnt know that many died

[Dirty Commie]

These are figures I heard from the history channel (they include civilian and military deaths)

-6 million jews

-2 million ethnic Polish/former Prussian

-5 million Germans

-500,000 Romanians (could be 100,000 more b/c many gypsy&#39;s never were counted in census&#39;)

-600,000 Greeks (includes Serbs, Croatians)

-100,000 Czecks

-10-15 million Russians (not exact, some may have been famine/purge victims that died during the war...includes all soviet republics)

-11 million Chinese

-2 million Japanese

-50,000-100,000 North Africans

-500,000 political enemies (communists, social democrats, and most every other party)

-20,000 catholics

-450,000 French

-1 million Austrians

[The Feral Underclass]

And 600,000 gay men and women you seemed to have missed out...

[atlanticche]

Originally posted by The Anarchist [email protected] 24 2004, 10:09 PM
And 600,000 gay men and women you seemed to have missed out...
YEAH&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33; represent&#33;&#33;




sorry i really couldnt help it





i heard on the history channel it was around 30 million russians who died, but also heard 25 million from eddie izard im not sure who i should trust

[Nickademus]

Originally posted by Dirty [email protected] 24 2004, 12:05 PM
These are figures I heard from the history channel (they include civilian and military deaths)

-6 million jews

-2 million ethnic Polish/former Prussian

-5 million Germans

-500,000 Romanians (could be 100,000 more b/c many gypsy&#39;s never were counted in census&#39;)

-600,000 Greeks (includes Serbs, Croatians)

-100,000 Czecks

-10-15 million Russians (not exact, some may have been famine/purge victims that died during the war...includes all soviet republics)

-11 million Chinese

-2 million Japanese

-50,000-100,000 North Africans

-500,000 political enemies (communists, social democrats, and most every other party)

-20,000 catholics

-450,000 French

-1 million Austrians
so these stats aren&#39;t simply holocaust stats .. they are also wwII stats right? or am i reading that wrong?

[Non-Sectarian Bastard!]

Nickadamus -
-10-15 million Russians (not exact, some may have been famine/purge victims that died during the war...includes all soviet republics) There were 20 million dead Russians during WO2

[atlanticche]

Originally posted by Nickademus+Apr 24 2004, 11:13 PM--> (Nickademus @ Apr 24 2004, 11:13 PM)
Dirty [email protected] 24 2004, 12:05 PM
These are figures I heard from the history channel (they include civilian and military deaths)

-6 million jews

-2 million ethnic Polish/former Prussian

-5 million Germans

-500,000 Romanians (could be 100,000 more b/c many gypsy&#39;s never were counted in census&#39;)

-600,000 Greeks (includes Serbs, Croatians)

-100,000 Czecks

-10-15 million Russians (not exact, some may have been famine/purge victims that died during the war...includes all soviet republics)

-11 million Chinese

-2 million Japanese

-50,000-100,000 North Africans

-500,000 political enemies (communists, social democrats, and most every other party)

-20,000 catholics

-450,000 French

-1 million Austrians
so these stats aren&#39;t simply holocaust stats .. they are also wwII stats right? or am i reading that wrong? [/b]
im not realy sure about those stats, are you sure there was a holocaust in china cause those numbers would make sense if there was cause it sounds about right howmany chinese died,

[Wiesty]

Why are we comparing WW2 with the Holocaust? they were different things, the holocaust started 5-7 years before ww2. And they were very differnt things, They just happened to be in a war and have more military to control it.

In total around 6 million jews were killed. In hitlers "plan" i think they planed on killing about 9,000,000

[konev]

i dont realy understand why the deny it, if they are Nazis they think that "DIE JUDEN" are "sub-humans" and therefore they dont have the right to exist. So if they where "sub-humans" why should nazis think it was wrong to kill them??
sounds like the nazis are confused

[atlanticche]

Originally posted by [email protected] 25 2004, 03:46 PM
Why are we comparing WW2 with the Holocaust? they were different things, the holocaust started 5-7 years before ww2. And they were very differnt things, They just happened to be in a war and have more military to control it.

In total around 6 million jews were killed. In hitlers "plan" i think they planed on killing about 9,000,000
yes the holocaust did start earlier than ww2 but the majority of the deaths accosiated with the holocaust happened to ww2, as they wanted to try and get rid of every trace of miss-treated jews

[Wiesty]

I also read this book that sayd Hitler did some family research to find out that he had a Jewish Background but he denied it

[DarkAngel]

Originally posted by Dirty [email protected] 24 2004, 08:05 PM
These are figures I heard from the history channel (they include civilian and military deaths)

-6 million jews

-2 million ethnic Polish/former Prussian

-5 million Germans

-500,000 Romanians (could be 100,000 more b/c many gypsy&#39;s never were counted in census&#39;)

-600,000 Greeks (includes Serbs, Croatians)

-100,000 Czecks

-10-15 million Russians (not exact, some may have been famine/purge victims that died during the war...includes all soviet republics)

-11 million Chinese

-2 million Japanese

-50,000-100,000 North Africans

-500,000 political enemies (communists, social democrats, and most every other party)

-20,000 catholics

-450,000 French

-1 million Austrians
ahem what about the 70,000 Estonians that were sent to Siberia and slaughtered..?

[Nickademus]

OK OK i think we need to make a very clear distinction here ... two things happened around the same time that cause millions ofdeahts ... the actual holocaust (mostly jews, gays, &#39;gypsies&#39; and political opponents) ....then there was WWII in which soldiers and civilians from all over the world were killed in large numbers. everyone here seems to think the two are synonymous and they are not. really, no one got involved in WWII because of the holocaust.

and the denial statements really don&#39;t schock me but i&#39;ve done a lot of research on holocaust denialism. i think i posted something about this somewhere else. deniers do &#39;scientific research&#39; to prove that jews weren&#39;t killed. for example, they send scientists to auschwitz to conduct tests on &#39;gas chambers&#39; looking for traces of the gas supposedly used to kill the jews. but they&#39;d test gas chambers that had been bombed during the war and rebuilt afterwards, so of course there would be no traces of the gas. deniers are scary people but nothing that comes out of their mouths really &#39;shocks&#39; me anymore, unfortunately.

[Xvall]

We need to make them dissapear.

[pandora]

Interesting the statistics on Filiphinos who were annhilated in that war are missing along with other islanders although their populations were decimated by work camps.

Also the numbers for Polish not Prussian, hello, Jewish, and Gypsies are way low, especially considering the destruction of Warsaw. Perhaps due to the total destruction of the city, it was hard to get records of how many people lived there, the Jewish commuinities also were very private, but I&#39;ve heard figures closer to 8 million. Also there are no Belgiums listed, someone was very simplistic.

Also the figures of Germans is abnormally high even considering the Eastern front, and Japanese abnormally low, even McNamara&#39;s figures in "Fog of War" are suspect involving simply the fire bombing and Hiroshima, but from those figures one gets the beginnings of a figure, add to that deaths from mercury poisoning of the fish and the long lasting atomic impact, and the death toll goes up enormously.

Obviously the folks at the history channel didn&#39;t consider them important enough, another reason I don&#39;t like the History channel That and all they cover is the military. They should rename it the US military channel and be done with it. :P

[Alexzandra]

if it wasn&#39;t real...then every tear drop shed was unreal.

If it wasn&#39;t real...then camera&#39;s must have been fautly...

if it never happend...then how do people live to tell...how can they cry?..

gah..

I suppose it just sickens me to be that blind.

[atlanticche]

do the deaths in the work camps actually count as part of the holocaust cause that would explain some losss of numbers

[atlanticche]

i have only just realised this but the person who said this is obviousely a post-modernist, he will not believe that the holocaust happened until someone he trusts presents concrete evidence to him and of course the people he trusts share the same beliefs

[Alek]

Just take a look at how varied the information is in different sources

http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/ww2stats.htm

[nicolas_c]

Nazis are the biggest bunch of fuck-heads in the world. They believe that it&#39;s all Jewish propaganda and so on... Interestingly enough, for all the survivors, who the Nazis don&#39;t believe are really survivors, just actors and Jews trying to get money and sympathy, to go and tattoo themselves sequentially (Jews don&#39;t believe in tattooing, it&#39;s in the Torah, "do not mark or tattoo yourselves as the pagans do" would be contradictory to their own religion. These people are just a bunch of fools and I honestly, as much as I hate them, ALMOST feel sorry for them, wallowing in their ignorance.

[RedAnarchist]

Nazis are fools and do not have the mental strength to actually form a viewpoint which is backed up by fact. They belive that the Holocaust did not actually happen. This is like somone adamantly declaring that the sun rises in the West&#33;

The Holocaust did happen, and whatever these pathetic little morons make up in their sad little attempts to attack innocent humans, it will be easily crushed. They must be taught that their so-called views are hateful, baseless and idiotic.

[FriedFrog]

Nazis are fools and do not have the mental strength to actually form a viewpoint which is backed up by fact. They belive that the Holocaust did not actually happen. This is like somone adamantly declaring that the sun rises in the West&#33;

The Holocaust did happen, and whatever these pathetic little morons make up in their sad little attempts to attack innocent humans, it will be easily crushed. They must be taught that their so-called views are hateful, baseless and idiotic.

Very well said&#33; These "people" need to be told where to stick it. All of them. Even the bastard BNP. Take a look at this disgusting stuff. BNP Bullshit (http://http://www.bnp.org.uk/audio.html)

The bastards.. :angry:

[refuse_resist]

Its not surprising a lot of these people would deny that the holocaust never happend. Especially since they want to accomplish it here in the U.&#036;.

Look at what happend in Oklahoma City. That&#39;s just an example of how far they&#39;ll go to send their message. Timothy McVeigh was a Gulf War veteran who was into neo-Nazi ideology.

[Anarchist Freedom]

ahh yes the famous quote utterd by neo nazis that the holocaust didnt occur. At first many nazis did beleive that the holocaust happend but then a man named George Lincoln Rockwell came around who was a former american soldier. He starts the American Nazi Party which is sadly located in my state in a town called westland(redneck and racism prevail here). He came out saying that he beleived that the Holocaust was something done by the americans to make the Germans look worse then they really are.



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CGLM&#33; (http://www.cglm.net)

[gaf]

holocausts are from all times,all nations no excuse on it .but be aware, somebody could drop a bomb in your neighborought and think it was right.........sick of this world&#33; &#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;

[DarkAngel]

Originally posted by [email protected] 25 2004, 11:00 PM
*ahem* what about the 70,000 Estonians that were sent to Siberia and slaughtered..?
The 70,000 estonians were all slaughtered by the nazis... but no... not like anybody cares about a little country like that...

[Don't Change Your Name]

Originally posted by Dirty [email protected] 24 2004, 03:32 PM
"We all know that the holocaust never really happened, but now it&#39;s history. When we overcome we will rewrite our own history, whether it be true or not."
Tell this nazi that he forgot that 1984 was 20 years ago...it seems the "strong Aryan nationalists" weren&#39;t very efficient at ruling the world after all.

[Raisa]

Originally posted by [email protected] 25 2004, 03:54 PM
i dont realy understand why the deny it, if they are Nazis they think that "DIE JUDEN" are "sub-humans" and therefore they dont have the right to exist. So if they where "sub-humans" why should nazis think it was wrong to kill them??
sounds like the nazis are confused
they probably dont want to look bad,thats why. I think what they want to do is kill every one else and then act like all those dead people never existed and the world was always "aryan" to begin with.

I just kind of imagine that if the world didnt win world war 2, there would be little aryan children frolicing through fields playing tag and what not, having no idea that feet below where they are standing the ground is full of people they will never know existed.

Its an un-nerving thought.


Being a Nazi is a good way to miss the point...... theyll use facts and figures and logic for example like "these people steal jobs&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;" all the while forgetting the boss is the one who is giving the jobs to people who he can exploit better.....and they miss the point&#33;