why che ?why not batista

[communist_comrade]

hey,

Now i know im being a bit strange here but i was reading about cuba's history and i was thinking about how all their history they have been uneasy with revolts and the likes and it said that Batista was also a revolutionary ..the leader in-fact and then fidel and che lead the revolution to overthrow him and i though :

why che and fidel ? they WERE good people once but so was batista so i mean batista was a dictator but so is fidel -this is more about fidel than anyone but still ,i still think che was a great man and we sometimes say some good stuffd about fidel but whats to say that we dont say batista-lives as once he was a guy that we would shout out viva la revolution for...thoughts please?

[Ortega]

I could rant for hours on this. But I'm saving you the time it would take to read all that by giving you my three main points:

#1 - This should be moved to history.

#2 - Batista was not a 'revolutionary.' He participated in an effortless overnight military coup. He never hid out in the jungle. He never even especially opposed the Cuban government.

#3 - Batista was not a 'good guy.' Ever. He turned Cuba into a whorehouse and casino for rich Americans only. At least Castro hasn't done that.

[BuyOurEverything]

Precisely Ortega, there's a vast difference between launching a somewhat popular insurrection against an unpopular and oppressive leader, and launching a nonpopular military coup in the middle of the night.

And what do you mean Fidel and Che were good people?

[canikickit]

To the History forum!

[atlanticche]

actually its just che we follow speaking for myself at least and hopefully others, because he is the only one who hasnt lied and turned and embraced capitalism

[communist_comrade]

hey,

thanx for the responses...the book i was reading wasnt going into detail about why he fought...well thanx again.

[mysticofthewest]

dude my family cuban they lived it dude cuba under batista was americas ***** dont even get me started on the death squads man

[Wiesty]

And fidel is not a dictator, people like Stalin or Hitler are dictators. Fidel is a president of a latin american country, dosent make him a dictator

[atlanticche]

its true he isnt a dictator he does though have the position but not the power of a dictator because he gives that power to america

[Hiero]

Just because someone has a revolutionary it doesnt make them good people.

[atlanticche]

its true being a revolutionary doesnt make you a good person lets not forget at one point Hitler was a revolutionary, though he failed, though those who were good revolutionaries and are still alive have changed and nolonger are good

[Rasta Sapian]

Originally posted by Jacobo [email protected] 24 2004, 01:47 PM
I could rant for hours on this. But I'm saving you the time it would take to read all that by giving you my three main points:

#1 - This should be moved to history.

#2 - Batista was not a 'revolutionary.' He participated in an effortless overnight military coup. He never hid out in the jungle. He never even especially opposed the Cuban government.

#3 - Batista was not a 'good guy.' Ever. He turned Cuba into a whorehouse and casino for rich Americans only. At least Castro hasn't done that.
to elaborate on your comments on Batista, did x president Nixon have ties to him, and wasn't there a scandle during his administration that had ties to Cuba?

Bay of Pigs?

p.s. why is part of Cuba being used to detain POW, arabic terrorists ? Does that mean that Fidel and the American Government maintains some type of relations?

[M_Rawlins]

The US Naval Base at Guantanamo Bay is leased to US and only mutual agreement or US abandonment of the area can terminate the lease

from http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/fac...ntanamo-bay.htm (http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/facility/guantanamo-bay.htm)

U.S. Naval Base Guantanamo Bay is the oldest U.S. base overseas and the only one in a Communist country. Located on the southeast corner of Cuba, in the Oriente Province, the base is about 400 air miles from Miami, Florida. The terrain and climate of Guantanamo Bay make it a haven for iguanas and banana rats.

In December 1903, the United States leased the 45 square miles of land and water for use as a coaling station. A treaty reaffirmed the lease in 1934 granting Cuba and her trading partners free access through the bay, payment of $2,000 in gold per year, equating to $4,085 today, and a requirement that both the U.S. and Cuba must mutually consent to terminate the lease.

[Fidel Castro]

Batista's Cuba:

1) Most Cuban industry and agriculture owned by foreign firms, or a small elite of Cuban aristocrats.

2) United States reservation of the right to intervine if the Cuban government goes against US interests.

3) Limited freedom in foreign policy and military matters.

4) Death squads, dissapearances, corruption and bribes common-place.

5) Huge division of class, lower literacy rates, lack of free healthcare.

6) Cuba used as a playground for the wealthy of the US especially.

Castro's Cuba:

1) Universial healthcare and education of a very high standard.

2) No torture or death squads.

3) US aggression, economically and militarily.

4) Steady economic growth despite embargo and Soviet collapse.

5) Free housing or small rent housing for all citizens.

6) Much greater popularity for government than Batista regime.

7) First regime to create a truley independant Cuba.

8) Greater public participation in political process.

9) State ownership of most industry.

Batista was a creep serving the interests of the US above that of the Cuban people. Fidel is a campaigner of Social Justice and socialism.