God

[The Divine]

Religion is by far, the greatest invention of man kind. It is the one of the most powerful influences in the world. Religion justifies our actions, our emotions, and our thoughts. This is the most successful form of control.
Without religion the world would be even more lost. I believe the world is in chaos but to blind to see it, religion being a main source of this blindness. Religion keeps people united and together, but it also keeps them quiet and under control. I believe people that follow religion are typically too weak to control their on lives, so they need a form of control to govern them. They can not deal with the ideas of only having a very small portion of time on the earth, so they make up stories and beliefs to keep themselves content. What makes religion so remarkable is that it works so well. Many religious people are much happier with their lives because they believe they will be happier after they die. They think they are doing so well and being good people, when actually they are just part of the problem. I think religion is like a good pair of sun glasses, they allow you to see somewhat of what the real picture is, but they alter it…to make what you see more enjoyable and easier to see.
I think religion is such a great idea because of this. They can keep so many people happy
Another thing to think about is how many religions there actually are. If there are so many religions, how can you know which one is right? The fact is that you will never know until you die. I do not feel like spending my whole life living up to one religions expectation only to find out that maybe I picked the wrong one. The only proven thing is that you go in the ground to rot, so that’s what I believe happens when I die. Knowing this, I try and make the best out of the time I am sure I have.

[Wenty]

This is a call to RedStar et al. You know as well as I do not to get into another debate on Religion. The points have been made time and time again and there is even a sticky dedicated to it.

[Xvall]

Religion is by far, the greatest invention of man kind.

Although you may claim to believe in god, and may claim to really believe in your religion, you do realize that you just admitted that religion was just a false concept made up by mankind. Look at it again if you don't believe me: "Religion is by far, the greatest invention of man kind."

Well, at least you admit that it is little more than an invention.

The rest of your post isn't bad though. You don't seem a fanatic, and you acknowledge that religion can be both good and bad. I don't have a religion, but it personally isn't my inclination to stop people who have their own spiritual beliefs. I know that I have mine.

Welcome aboard.

[The Divine]

You most have interperted that incorrectly, sorry for my lack of explaination. I do not believe in a god for myself, at all. I believe most others should have a god though.

[truthaddict11]

why as some sort of fascist divine cult of personality? why shouldnt people know the truth?

[The Divine]

Originally posted by [email protected] 24 2004, 01:38 AM
why as some sort of fascist divine cult of personality? why shouldnt people know the truth?
They believe they have the truth. I believe i have the truth. Its a pointless battle.

But in my mind, i think they should keep their god because without it, they would not have such a powerful thing to unite with, a source of comfort to always fall back onto in this world of war, and most importantly a reason to live.

[truthaddict11]

give me a break! do you know how I felt when I became an atheist? RELIEVED! I couldnt believe how stupid I used to be in no way did I suddenly find my life worthless without religion. I see that will feel the same way once we start dismantling superstitions.

[The Divine]

Well that is good for you, but many cannot handle that. They NEED that type of support in their lives. And besides, its already there for us to unite under. Without religion what would we come together under and fight wars in the name of? Hair color? Family size? Favorite song? Anything can unite people, its just that religion works so well.

[truthaddict11]

how does religion unite people? all it seems to do is brainwash people to me

[The Divine]

Ever hear the phrase "God bless America"? Ever say the pledge of alligance? These are just small examples of uniting people under God's name. Entire battles are fought over religous things. That whole mess in iraq...basicaly always relates back to religous terms and the uniting of two different ideas. Religion unites people, but also (because we can not learn to tolerate) seperates us. Without it we would feel even more apart because we would have no one backing us tho.

[Essential Insignificance]

And besides, its already there for us to unite under.

It's the polar contradictory…religion separates people...it does not amalgamate them.


Without religion what would we come together under and fight wars in the name of? Hair color? Family size? Favorite song?

Are you saying that there must at all times be "war"…regardless of the "objectives".

[The Divine]

Yes. Religion seperates us, no doubht about that. BUT it also does unite us. It unites us just as much (i believe more) then it does tear us appart.

Of course there will always be war, or at least we can overcome our own human nature. Greed and desire will always cause turmoil in the systems of goverments. It is unavoidable, so instead of stopping we should learn to minimize the negative affects of it.

[El Che]

Originally posted by The [email protected] 24 2004, 02:21 AM
Yes. Religion seperates us, no doubht about that. BUT it also does unite us. It unites us just as much (i believe more) then it does tear us appart.

Of course there will always be war, or at least we can overcome our own human nature. Greed and desire will always cause turmoil in the systems of goverments. It is unavoidable, so instead of stopping we should learn to minimize the negative affects of it.
I posted this in another thread.


The first aspect we have to consider is the lament about being “alienated from God” (or having “fallen from Grace”) which belongs to the common heritage of Judeo-Christian mythology. The divine order, it is said, has been violated; man has alienated himself from “the ways of God”, whether simply by “the fall of man” or later by “the dark idolatries of alienated Judah”, or later again by the behaviour of “Christians alienated from the life of God”. The messianic mission consists in rescuing man from this state of self-alienation which he had brought upon himself.


Christianity thus, in its universality, announces the imaginary solution of human self-alienation in the form of “the mystery of Christ.” This mystery postulates the reconciliation of the contradictions which made groups of people oppose each other as “strangers”, “foreigners”, “enemies”. This is not only a reflection of a specific form of social struggle but at the same time also its mystical “resolution”...


Judaism and Christianity are complementary aspects of society's efforts to cope with its internal contradictions. They both represent attempts at an imaginary transcendence of these contradictions, at an illusory “reappropriation” of the “human essence” through a fictitious supersession of the state of alienation.


Protestant modifications of earlier established Christianity, in various national settings, had accomplished a relatively early metamorphosis of “abstract-theoretical” Christianity into “practical-Christian-Judaism” as a significant step in the direction of the complete secularisation of the whole problematics of alienation. Parallel to the expanding domination of the spirit of capitalism in the practical sphere, the ideological forms have become more and more secular as well; from the various versions of “deism” through “humanistic atheism” to the famous declaration stating that “God is dead”. By the time of the latter even the illusions of “universality” with which “the world of self-interest encircles itself”) — retained and at times even intensified by deism and humanistic atheism — have become acutely embarrassing for the bourgeoisie and a sudden, often cynical, transition had to be made to the open cult of partiality.


As has been mentioned, under the conditions of class society because of the inherent contradiction between the “part” and the “whole”, due to the fact that partial interest dominates the whole of society — the principle of partiality stands in an insoluble contradiction to that of Universality. Consequently it is the crude relation of forces that elevates the prevailing form of partiality into a bogus universality, whereas the ideal-oriented negation of this partiality, e.g. the abstract-theoretical universality of Christianity, before its metamorphosis into “practical-Christian-Judaism” — must remain illusory, fictitious, impotent.

[The Divine]

I did not mean to take any of your ideas. I am very new here and have not read through, pretty much, any of the posts.

[Don't Change Your Name]

God, The greatest army.

God, The greatest fascist!

[Essential Insignificance]

Yes. Religion seperates us, no doubht about that. BUT it also does unite us. It unites us just as much (i believe more) then it does tear us appart.


Yes...religion does disconnect us from one another.

It unites "us" under the greatest erroneous belief, that mankind will ever witness…it is not a "good" thing…I hope you realize.

If you believe what you wrote (which I guess you do) all hope for you is lost in the manifestation of your "idiocy".



Of course there will always be war.

I don't think so...I don't know why you do.


or at least we can overcome our own human nature.

Are you suggesting that man "thinks" and "breaths" war because of "human nature"…there is no such mania as human nature.



Greed and desire will always cause turmoil in the systems of goverments.

we see eye to eye here though. :lol:


It is unavoidable, so instead of stopping we should learn to minimize the negative affects of it

No it’s not…abolish it.

We should "learn" to eradicate it.

[Pedro Alonso Lopez]

God is dead, we have killed him, you and I.

[The Divine]

We will never eradicate any religion until we change our entire ways. People will always need comfort to satisfy their needs. Something like religion is so incredibly great at providing this. You get ride of god, they will find something new to put faith in. They would probably put faith in something that cannot be proven wrong, so that comfort can always be there. (which is why God works so well)

[Postteen]

Originally posted by El Infiltr(A)[email protected] 24 2004, 07:07 AM

God, The greatest army.

God, The greatest fascist!
God, religion or even church!?

[Essential Insignificance]

God is dead, we have killed him, you and I.

God didn’t exist to exterminate him…but I comprehend your position.


We will never eradicate any religion until we change our entire ways


Precisely...post-proletarian revolution.



People will always need comfort to satisfy their needs

What do you mean exactly. Are you suggesting that people’s "rational" mentality must be "tempered" with by the church so they can find "satisfaction" and "comfort" in their disheartened lives. What nonsense.

Life itself will "satisfy" these "needs" you speak of.


Something like religion is so incredibly great at providing this

It provides nothing but misleading notions of our existence.


You get ride of god, they will find something new to put faith in

I agree...freedom.


They would probably put faith in something that cannot be proven wrong, so that comfort can always be there.

They will..."hopefully" sooner or latter but the faith upon themselves.

[Pedro Alonso Lopez]

God didn’t exist to exterminate him…but I comprehend your position.

Its a quote from Nietzsche, the concept of God is killed to free mankind from the influence of religion.

[Wenty]

I've always taken it to mean we have killed him through the corruption of the church. We are our own Gods now...

EI's way of writing reminds me much of redstar...

[Essential Insignificance]

Its a quote from Nietzsche, the concept of God is killed to free mankind from the influence of religion.

Like I said…I understood what you meant…or rather Nietzsche. And a good point/thought at that.

[The Divine]

I doubht people place faith in themselve anytime soon. They can be proven wrong, so they are affraid of stepping out and trying something knew. As much as it doesnt seem true in this modern world, new ideas (that are somewhat extreme or radical) are not taken in easily at all.

[Essential Insignificance]

I
doubht people place faith in themselve anytime soon

You would have to be the most reactionary idiot that I have come across, hence the name I suppose.You have no actual conception of men.


They can be proven wrong, so they are affraid of stepping out and trying something knew

Man is continually proving himself wrong, whats to stop him. Tonight I am going to have a alcoholic beverage that I have never drank before…I guess I am trying something new.


As much as it doesnt seem true in this modern world, new ideas (that are somewhat extreme or radical) are not taken in easily at all.

They do under extreme conditions.

Are you suggesting that "failed" ideas should be kept because of their past and not their future

Like I said you are the granddaddy of reactionarys right up their next to Jesus himself…I guess that’s a compliment, for you.

[The Divine]

Of course you are trying new things in your life constantly, thats how you learn, develop, and live. But you trying new drinks is a thing that the world does not care about. I am talking radical and extreme types of goverment that people try.

And no, i wouldnt take the idea of being like jesus as a compliment. I would rather make a genuine name for myself then have the church alter and change my past once i die so i will apeal to the people. I rather be me and the ideas that come with me, and be known for that.

[pandora]

Good God where is all this God crap coming from. Get over it people, is this the Christian vs. Marxism channel or is this Che Lives. I would be interested in people talking about LIBERATION THEOLOGY but this outdated traditional crap sucks.

[Rasta Sapian]

may peace be with you all :D

[Invader Zim]

Originally posted by [email protected] 24 2004, 02:03 AM
how does religion unite people? all it seems to do is brainwash people to me
Rather like anarchism then...











(J/K)

No but its all opinion and interptitation, your views are just as correct and incorrect as everyone elses. the fact that you insist on seeing this issue in black and white is very foolish (and boring).