Drug Users for Terrorism! - Give me a break.

[I Will Deny You]

During the Superbowl, they showed a new commercial that basically said that people who use drugs are responsible for judges' and other people's deaths because money that people in other countries make off of drugs is sometimes used by terrorists. Never mind that the US government praised the Taliban's anti-drug efforts (as I recall, the Norhtern Alliance made a lot more money off of drugs than the Taliban) and the CIA was dealing crack. If if weren't for the US government there would have been no Taliban. If you're not cheating on your income taxes, you're funding terrorists! I oughta put that on a bumper sticker.

By the way, was anyone else stuck at a Superbowl party? They had a camera with the US Army over in Afghanistan, which my friends immediately named the Afghani-Cam. They showed it, and there must be some kind of time delay of a few seconds because we saw the troops getting ready to be taped instead of when they thought they were being taped. Some guy was handing out signs that they were going to hold up. A few drunks immediately started singing, "Smile, you're on Afghani-Camera!" My boyfriend got drunk, which is why I'm not at his place right now. And by the way, the Patriots won! I'm supposed to care because I'm from New England and I bet ten bucks on them, but I really don't give a shit. I'm not what you would call a football person . . . or a Taliban person, just for the record.

[vox]

Lindsay,

The Superbowl reached a new media low, trying to equate honest sportsmanship with the killing of civilians, and the halftime show certainly plumbed the depth of horrible jingoism (surprising given that it was a foriegn band).

As for the CIA's drug dealing ways, check out Dark Alliance by Webb.

vox

[Supermodel]

Ah the superbowl, a truly bizzare experience....

Let's get one thing straight. Foreign countries grow drugs to sell in the US because they have no viable economy without them Why? because they are smothered by World Bank and IMF debt.

And U2 as the halftime band? I did think they were awesome, and I just saw the concert a short while ago, but a truly bizzare choice for halftime band.

No, the problem I have with drug users is they are responsible for most of the crime in this country and anyone who wants to blast their mind is clearly an idiot (OK leave Prozac out of it for a minute)......
And yeah the Afghani cam didn't show a pretty picture of our men and women in uniform. Love to see how my tax money is spent. A true wonder.

[vox]

"Why? because they are smothered by World Bank and IMF debt."

Good start, but why did they become smothered in the first place? Colombia is a good place to start looking.

vox

[Supermodel]

Certainly the reasons why different nations incurred the burden of global debt are varied and can be blamed on a variety of causes.

The important point is that
A) the money probably never made it to the people in the first place, and
B) Why therefore should today's society be made to repay it.
C) If the loans were made a generation ago, then it wasn't my money being loaned, feel free to forgive the debt, NO STRINGS ATTACHED.
D) the loans came with huge political strings, some of which I agree with (emancipation for women, democratic elections, end to ethnic cleansing) and many of which I don't. Fact remains, the recipient country paid no heed to these covenants.

Bottom line (I'm a bottom line kinda girl) the whole darn system is a disaster and to blame for a lot of strife. It's gotta go. We don't even elect those morons at the Bank and IMF, yet their actions influence world affairs.

[vox]

"D) the loans came with huge political strings, some of which I agree with (emancipation for women, democratic elections, end to ethnic cleansing) and many of which I don't"

Huh? Just where are you getting your info, Supermodel? Or are you just making it up?

The "strings" attached to IMF loans have nothing to do with social justice. Rather, the IMF inflicts harsh economic "restructuring" programs, where social spending is cut. On top of that, the IMF wants goods to be exported, so even subsistence farming is often out of the question.

Sometimes "bottom line" is simply shorthand for "bumpersticker politics." Unless one looks at economic imperialism from the West, one will not understand the reasons why some countries, even ones rich in resources like Brazil, fall victim to the neoliberal programs of the WB and the IMF.

vox

[Supermodel]

I'll give it to you, vox, you are entirely right. I was thinking of the AID programs that come with strings attached. I think we are in loud agreement...together with international aid, the whole thing is an abomination. And yes, I make a lot of stuff up. Sorry, I get lonely here counting the bottom line.....

[I Will Deny You]

I'm glad the two of you are argeeing.

As for the whole foreign solidarity thing, I'm enough of an American to be glad to see Bono singing for us, or whatever he thought he was doing. But I'm also black enough to wonder where the solidarity for Rwandans was . . . hmm.

[sabre]

Hey bono is great

u2 is great

but did you see his jacket ? it had red stars on the back

and in his 9/11 tribute music video he was wearing a red star
and every other time ive seen him recently he has been wearing a red star on his shirt or jacket

is he a leftist? that woulkd be cool if he was and he could promote it

[I Will Deny You]

He had an American flag sewn into the inside of his jacket, and he was holding it up at the end.

[Revolution]

It never seizes to amaze me that the amount of propoganda about the "bad guys" always seems to get even more ridiculous. So they're telling us that if we smoke weed, we're aiding terrorists? That's so typical of our country. They feed us this shit to keep the patriotism high. That's all. Fuck the terrorists, but also the dumb asses who try to use the right-wing as some sort of dogma tool against all that are opposed to their ways. The CIA completely distributed crack into the streets of L.A. and other inner-city areas and you don't hear about that anymore. It's all so fake. The loans you are referring to do come with strings like George Bush's special interest groups like Enron. Here's a man who went out of his way to tell the world and America he was a "moral" man and would bring "morals" to the White House. Yeah, ok. He took control of the terrorist situation on 9/11 and I applaud him for that, but now he said one word on an interview that scares me. He mentioned we were going to go on a "crusade" against terrorism. That conjures up images of the old days when the Christians went around killing the innocent in "the name of God". I would love to hear what Che would have to say about what's going on today. Peace.

[I Will Deny You]

Ah, yes. The Crusades, when the Christian Elite commissioned the killing of Muslims and Jews and the complete annihilation of Christians that they didn't like. At least Bush pronounced it right, and has not yet spoken of plans to use "nukyular" weapons on Middle Eastern and Asian countries.

[MJM]

Sorry to all you U2 fans but. Man that Bono can be a wanker sometimes, talk about a self promoter.
Anyway when I was about 15 I jumped the fence to a U2 and BB king concert. That was some kick ass good fun barbed wire cuts and all.
All the radio guy's here were having a laugh about U2 playing, they reckoned it should've been Bruce Springsteen.

[Anonymous]

yeah maybe, he is a good singer though.
Anyway where was his Afghani flag?, where were the names of all the Afghanis that were killed, it would have taken more time than the Yank one.

[flames of the flag]

hey dudes
i haven't been on in a while and this is my first post back.
N e way it suck that not now you can't even watch a bunch of sweaty guys in tights grab each other without being propagandised. However, the fact that this propaganda involves drug users makes me wonder what it would be like to watch football while high.
adieu,
flames

[rebel with a cause]

Even though it looked like Bono sold out, he said he did it for the 9-11 victims, and he explained he meant that it wasn't just those that died in the WTC or pentagon, it was their families, NYFD & NYPD who lost partners, people who lost their jobs, and even the innocent Afghans who ided as a result of U$ bombing, to be a victim of 9-11 didn't neccessarily mean you had to die or die on that day.

Plus, just a day prior he was out there speaking against the WEF in NY, so that's kewl.

and the drug terrorism thing........ (sarcastically)
yeah, so the gas we put into our cars, that money eventually winds up in the hands of terrorists too!

taxpayer money had to fund those ads, fuckin bullshit!