Capitalists

[RedAnarchist]

Why diid you join a left-wing forum? It seems strange that capitalists and the rest of the Right and centre-right would join an Anarchist/Communist/Socialist/Liberal/Environmentalist internet forum.

Of course, i'm not saying that you cannot join forums such as this one, i'm just asking why you joined this certain one when you knew what type of forum it was politically.

[Dirty Commie]

I hope (probably not true) that they joined to gain a better understanding of what leftism is and isn't.

[NYC4Ever]

Yes I did get a better understanding. Yet, it furthered my knowledge that it just can't work. Capitalism is no better , but its the best system we've got so far.

[Dirty Commie]

Better for who? the 4 billion who live below the poverty line? or for those lucky enough to be born into a life of luxury in the industrialized world.... People only think capitalism is succesful because they seen the usa as having wealth and stability, but it's a lie. Millions in the usa are poor and starving, and even more in the rest of the capitalist world.

Under socialism no one lives in poverty, no one is rich because they inherited wealth, the entire system is different. Just because the former soviet union and and china call themselves socialist doens't make it true.

[lucid]

Originally posted by Dirty [email protected] 23 2004, 05:30 PM
Better for who? the 4 billion who live below the poverty line? or for those lucky enough to be born into a life of luxury in the industrialized world.... People only think capitalism is succesful because they seen the usa as having wealth and stability, but it's a lie. Millions in the usa are poor and starving, and even more in the rest of the capitalist world.

Under socialism no one lives in poverty, no one is rich because they inherited wealth, the entire system is different. Just because the former soviet union and and china call themselves socialist doens't make it true.
Here we go with the imaginary mile long soup lines. Go look up the percentage of people in the US that have a car and color TV and then tell me they are poor.

[Capitalist Imperial]

Originally posted by Dirty [email protected] 23 2004, 05:30 PM
Better for who? the 4 billion who live below the poverty line? or for those lucky enough to be born into a life of luxury in the industrialized world.... People only think capitalism is succesful because they seen the usa as having wealth and stability, but it's a lie. Millions in the usa are poor and starving, and even more in the rest of the capitalist world.

Under socialism no one lives in poverty, no one is rich because they inherited wealth, the entire system is different. Just because the former soviet union and and china call themselves socialist doens't make it true.
correction: Under capitalsm many are successful, some not so much, but everyone has opportunity to change their destiny

under socialism, everyone simply agrees to live in mild poverty, and agrees than nothing will change about it no matter how much you contribute

[Capitalist Imperial]

Originally posted by [email protected] 23 2004, 11:20 AM
Why diid you join a left-wing forum? It seems strange that capitalists and the rest of the Right and centre-right would join an Anarchist/Communist/Socialist/Liberal/Environmentalist internet forum.

Of course, i'm not saying that you cannot join forums such as this one, i'm just asking why you joined this certain one when you knew what type of forum it was politically.
Keep your friends close, and your enemies closer.

[Red Skyscraper]

Here we go with the imaginary mile long soup lines. Go look up the percentage of people in the US that have a car and color TV and then tell me they are poor.

I have a car and color TV, but I'm poor. So what's your point?

[sh0cker]

Originally posted by Capitalist Imperial+Apr 23 2004, 10:47 PM--> (Capitalist Imperial @ Apr 23 2004, 10:47 PM)
[email protected] 23 2004, 11:20 AM
Why diid you join a left-wing forum? It seems strange that capitalists and the rest of the Right and centre-right would join an Anarchist/Communist/Socialist/Liberal/Environmentalist internet forum.

Of course, i'm not saying that you cannot join forums such as this one, i'm just asking why you joined this certain one when you knew what type of forum it was politically.
Keep your friends close, and your enemies closer. [/b]
Thats right man!

[Invader Zim]

Originally posted by lucid+Apr 23 2004, 05:42 PM--> (lucid @ Apr 23 2004, 05:42 PM)
Dirty [email protected] 23 2004, 05:30 PM
Better for who? the 4 billion who live below the poverty line? or for those lucky enough to be born into a life of luxury in the industrialized world.... People only think capitalism is succesful because they seen the usa as having wealth and stability, but it's a lie. Millions in the usa are poor and starving, and even more in the rest of the capitalist world.

Under socialism no one lives in poverty, no one is rich because they inherited wealth, the entire system is different. Just because the former soviet union and and china call themselves socialist doens't make it true.
Here we go with the imaginary mile long soup lines. Go look up the percentage of people in the US that have a car and color TV and then tell me they are poor. [/b]
Well as the US doesnt have a population of 4 billion, it was clearly not a referance to the US. Maybe its that otyher entity, you know the rest of the world maybe.

God time and time again you make very stupid comments. next time read what has been said. I think the referance was largley about this kind of thing: -

http://sspglenrothes.freehosting.net/images/famine.jpg

http://www.safeharbor.us/uploaded/famine.jpg

http://www.sudan.net/graphic/news/famine/famine2.jpg

Under capitalsm many are successful, some not so much, but everyone has opportunity to change their destiny

I doubt these people could ever change their destiny. capitalism exploited them and their country and left them to die in the sun.

[Dio]

correction: Under capitalsm many are successful, some not so much, but everyone has opportunity to change their destiny

under socialism, everyone simply agrees to live in mild poverty, and agrees than nothing will change about it no matter how much you contribute


One thing is for certain, that you know nothing for certain. Please go read/eat a book, and post only when you have the slightest idea about something.

[Professor Moneybags]

The same reason many of you choose to go to capitalism magazine.

[Professor Moneybags]

capitalism exploited them and their country and left them to die in the sun.

Lol. What, did the evil capitalists steal all their food ?

And here was me thinking their problems were both climatic (too hot) and political (thanks to dictatorship and civil war). How's comrade Mugabe and his "land redistribution" going ?

[Invader Zim]

Originally posted by Professor [email protected] 24 2004, 07:11 AM

capitalism exploited them and their country and left them to die in the sun.

Lol. What, did the evil capitalists steal all their food ?

And here was me thinking their problems were both climatic (too hot) and political (thanks to dictatorship and civil war). How's comrade Mugabe and his "land redistribution" going ?
political (thanks to dictatorship and civil war

Indeed, these dictators and rulling classes are as capitalist as they come. You would like them. Also the exploitation from rich western nations does not help.

The main reason however is rich capitalists who run these countries, start wars with neigbouring countries for political gain, and they steal what ever food they can to feed troops, and destroy crops to stop the other side. Its a long used tactic, Stalin used it, and killed millions of his own people, the Duke of Wellington used the tactic in Portugal.

These people are capitalists, they just run a poor country. They are no different from any other capitalists, if western capitalists could get away with this shit, they would do it.

[Professor Moneybags]

Indeed, these dictators and rulling classes are as capitalist as they come. You would like them.

Nope, they're communists (http://www.newsmax.com/articles/?a=1999/4/20/94156).

And just in case there was any doubt about Mugabe, ask your comrades (http://www.union-communiste.org/?EN-archp-show-2002-6-475-2439-x.html).


Also the exploitation from rich western nations does not help.

Yes, it helps alot. I'm sure those people in the pictures you posted would love nothing more than to have access to Macdonalds.

[dannie]

don't provide links to newsmax, it's as biased as it can get

[Dirty Commie]

Originally posted by [email protected] 23 2004, 12:42 PM

Here we go with the imaginary mile long soup lines. Go look up the percentage of people in the US that have a car and color TV and then tell me they are poor.
40 million have no health insurance

6% are unemployed who are still seeking employment...not counting those who stoppped looking for jobs-could be as high as 8.5-9%

average income of a black male or female/white woman: 67% of what a an average white male makes

people in south east asia make our plastic shit and earn 50 cents an hour- and work 12-14 hours a day 7 days a week until they can't work anymore from malnutrition, or easilyt preventable diseases that wal-mart won't pay to treat so their ceo can buy another yacht.

[Dirty Commie]

Originally posted by Capitalist [email protected] 23 2004, 05:43 PM

correction: Under capitalsm many are successful, some not so much, but everyone has opportunity to change their destiny

Go live in south st. pete and try to get ahead, see where that gets you.
or most of new york city
or Philly
or be a minority and try to get ahead in LA...

[Raisa]

Originally posted by [email protected] 23 2004, 05:42 PM
Go look up the percentage of people in the US that have a car and color TV and then tell me they are poor.
A car and a color TV has nothing to do with it! Is that what you are going to use to worm your way out of recognizing the struggle within this country, or the fact that for almost every city there is a ghetto? You insult me!
Your family can have a car and a color TV, but that is not what is going to save you.

[Raisa]

Originally posted by Capitalist [email protected] 23 2004, 10:47 PM

Keep your friends close, and your enemies closer.
I hate to tell you this, because you seem so hungry for a fight, but I am not your enemy.
I believe in what I do, because I love you.

[Raisa]

Originally posted by Professor [email protected] 24 2004, 07:11 AM

capitalism exploited them and their country and left them to die in the sun.

Lol. What, did the evil capitalists steal all their food ?

NO.
Some of them did, but most others of them just turn away with the greatest of ease.
In the end we remember not the words of our enemies, but the silence of our friends. I believe that was words from Dr. King, but he makes a good point.
You should be great and listen to his words.

[lucid]

Originally posted by Raisa+Apr 25 2004, 04:04 AM--> (Raisa @ Apr 25 2004, 04:04 AM)
Professor [email protected] 24 2004, 07:11 AM

capitalism exploited them and their country and left them to die in the sun.

Lol. What, did the evil capitalists steal all their food ?

NO.
Some of them did, but most others of them just turn away with the greatest of ease.
In the end we remember not the words of our enemies, but the silence of our friends. I believe that was words from Dr. King, but he makes a good point. [/b]
That is so friggin beautiful! Lets smoke a joint.
:rolleyes:

[Raisa]

Originally posted by lucid+Apr 25 2004, 04:07 AM--> (lucid @ Apr 25 2004, 04:07 AM)
Originally posted by [email protected] 25 2004, 04:04 AM

Professor [email protected] 24 2004, 07:11 AM

capitalism exploited them and their country and left them to die in the sun.

Lol. What, did the evil capitalists steal all their food ?

NO.
Some of them did, but most others of them just turn away with the greatest of ease.
In the end we remember not the words of our enemies, but the silence of our friends. I believe that was words from Dr. King, but he makes a good point.
That is so friggin beautiful! Lets smoke a joint.
:rolleyes: [/b]
Are you mocking me man? I dont smoke marijuana.
I know you are a great person, why degrate yourself and not consider this serious problem?
What? you dont think it has any thing to do with you?
The world is going in two very different directions, and when desperate boys with nothing find more hope in death then life go and fly planes into your buildings and thousands of people have to die, you realize this, if you really care about the people who died. You should not laugh. The world is becoming a very polarized place, and it is manifesting itself in the worst kinds of ways.

[Yazman]

Originally posted by [email protected] 25 2004, 01:48 PM
I hate to tell you this, because you seem so hungry for a fight, but I am not your enemy.
I believe in what I do, because I love you.
Goddamn flower child.

[God of Imperia]

Nope, they're communists (http://www.newsmax.com/articles/?a=1999/4/20/94156).


Since when did a dictator who exploits his people for his own good become communist?


Yes, it helps alot. I'm sure those people in the pictures you posted would love nothing more than to have access to Macdonalds.

This comment is the time not worth to answer ...

[Professor Moneybags]

Originally posted by God of [email protected] 25 2004, 03:05 PM




Since when did a dictator who exploits his people for his own good become communist?

If one didn't it would be the exception, rather than the rule. Mugabe seizes private land and redistributes it. That is communist.


This comment is the time not worth to answer ...

True though, isn't it ?

I'll bet you'd love to live in countries like those were the evil influence of Starbucks and Burger King are nowhere in sight.

[Invader Zim]

Originally posted by Professor Moneybags+Apr 25 2004, 05:18 PM--> (Professor Moneybags @ Apr 25 2004, 05:18 PM)
God of [email protected] 25 2004, 03:05 PM




Since when did a dictator who exploits his people for his own good become communist?

If one didn't it would be the exception, rather than the rule. Mugabe seizes private land and redistributes it. That is communist.


This comment is the time not worth to answer ...

True though, isn't it ?

I'll bet you'd love to live in countries like those were the evil influence of Starbucks and Burger King are nowhere in sight. [/b]
Mugabe seizes private land and redistributes it. That is communist.

Correction, "Mugabe seizes private land and redistributes it, to his cronies while the people starve. That is capitalist."

[Dan_Canadian]

I dunno what to do anymore, personally i don't have an ideology and i don't support one. But I have to ask this one question, and yes, it may seem simple and childish, but think about it. If capitalism is so bad for everyone, and communism should be the solution to capitalism and all its "wrongs" on society...why arent we all commies? :lol:

I mean, i'm not a stupid person, you aren't stupid people (even the cappies aren't THAT dumb) ha ha, most of the world is intelligent enough to know what is good and what isn't good for them...so if communism is so great...WHY AREN'T THEY COMMUNIST? By this logic, if all the capitalist countries are SOo stupid for not being communist...then technically Cuba and China have gotta be the smartest chaps on the whole planet.

And just to clear things up about those poor African countries. They aren't poor because they are Capitalist. In fact, most aren't capitalist. To say that Capitalism is the root of thier problems is a simplified ignorant statement. Things like war, natural disasters(drought) corrupt dictatorships, and colonialist pasts are what causes this shit to happen. In fact, if some African countries bECAMe capitalist, industrialized themselves, they would be a hell of a lot better off. Marx knew this, he recognized Capitalism and Industrialization as a stage to Communism...communism cannot be achieved before the nation is industrialized and capitalist. I'm not saying communism is bad, but heck, maybe it would work if the communist countries had followed what Marx said, and not skipped so many important parts.

[Nyder]

Correction, "Mugabe seizes private land and redistributes it, to his cronies while the people starve. That is capitalist."

Let me guess: If Mugabe was a capitalist, then Stalin must also a capitalist, the same with Hitler, Mao Zedong, Kim Jong Il, Pol Pot, Fidel Castro and Che Guevara(!)

Which means that Bill Gates and George Lucas are definitely communists.

:rolleyes:

[Dio]

Originally posted by [email protected] 26 2004, 02:20 AM
I dunno what to do anymore, personally i don't have an ideology and i don't support one. But I have to ask this one question, and yes, it may seem simple and childish, but think about it. If capitalism is so bad for everyone, and communism should be the solution to capitalism and all its "wrongs" on society...why arent we all commies? :lol:

I mean, i'm not a stupid person, you aren't stupid people (even the cappies aren't THAT dumb) ha ha, most of the world is intelligent enough to know what is good and what isn't good for them...so if communism is so great...WHY AREN'T THEY COMMUNIST? By this logic, if all the capitalist countries are SOo stupid for not being communist...then technically Cuba and China have gotta be the smartest chaps on the whole planet.

And just to clear things up about those poor African countries. They aren't poor because they are Capitalist. In fact, most aren't capitalist. To say that Capitalism is the root of thier problems is a simplified ignorant statement. Things like war, natural disasters(drought) corrupt dictatorships, and colonialist pasts are what causes this shit to happen. In fact, if some African countries bECAMe capitalist, industrialized themselves, they would be a hell of a lot better off. Marx knew this, he recognized Capitalism and Industrialization as a stage to Communism...communism cannot be achieved before the nation is industrialized and capitalist. I'm not saying communism is bad, but heck, maybe it would work if the communist countries had followed what Marx said, and not skipped so many important parts.
Because communism only works on paper, and capitalism only works on paper.

China is not communist, Russia was not communist, not one nation to date has achived a perfect communist state, it is impossible.

[Professor Moneybags]

Correction, "Mugabe seizes private land and redistributes it, to his cronies while the people starve. That is capitalist."

Really ? What happened to respecting property rights ?

Spare me the straw men.

[Dan_Canadian]

Because communism only works on paper, and capitalism only works on paper.

China is not communist, Russia was not communist, not one nation to date has achived a perfect communist state, it is impossible.

No, Capitalism is working now. And I agree with your standpoint on communism, so why are we arguing? If it will never work, why does this website even exist?

[Pedro Alonso Lopez]

Because idealism is a powerful force.

Dan Canadian you make some good points, good enough that you have saved me the hassle of expressing my opinions.

[Capitalist Imperial]

Originally posted by [email protected] 24 2004, 01:07 AM


correction: Under capitalsm many are successful, some not so much, but everyone has opportunity to change their destiny

under socialism, everyone simply agrees to live in mild poverty, and agrees than nothing will change about it no matter how much you contribute


One thing is for certain, that you know nothing for certain. Please go read/eat a book, and post only when you have the slightest idea about something.
Wow, Dio, I've certainly struck a nerve. Is this simple truth too much for you? I understand that when I put it this way, it can be unnerving to most leftists.

But hey, I have a propostion for you, sweetcheeks:

When you have something more substantial to post than the typical, tired, trite, and meaningless rhetoric, then talk to me.

[Invader Zim]

Originally posted by [email protected] 26 2004, 02:33 AM

Correction, "Mugabe seizes private land and redistributes it, to his cronies while the people starve. That is capitalist."

Let me guess: If Mugabe was a capitalist, then Stalin must also a capitalist, the same with Hitler, Mao Zedong, Kim Jong Il, Pol Pot, Fidel Castro and Che Guevara(!)

Which means that Bill Gates and George Lucas are definitely communists.

:rolleyes:
me guess: If Mugabe was a capitalist, then Stalin must also a capitalist, the same with Hitler, Mao Zedong, Kim Jong Il, Pol Pot,

Thats about the score. Why you have Hitler I don't know, thats not even sarcastic, hitler was a capitalist. he supported the large corporations, who funded his party.

[DaCuBaN]

No, Capitalism is working now. And I agree with your standpoint on communism, so why are we arguing? If it will never work, why does this website even exist?

I can&#39;t comment on whether communism would work as thanks to both sides of this debate it&#39;ll never get a decent chance <_<

As for capitalism working? I don&#39;t know where you got that idea from, but the entire world is in debt and so far noone has explained to me who holds the IOU&#39;s

7 billion dollars (that&#39;s &#036;7,000,000,000,000 or trillion for the yanquis) you owe the rest of the world - and you are the richest country in the world - and you consider the system works? 85% of the worlds population are living below the breadline, and you consider the system to work? you selfish arrogant piece of shit, once day you&#39;ll see what your wonderful system is doing to those in the dire situations and I hope you feel sick at your own attitudes the day that happens - I can&#39;t understand the complete lack of sympathy that people have for the unfortunate. I bet you&#39;re the kind of **** who walks past the homeless without even batting an eye. As if the reason for their homelessness actually matters - they&#39;re a human being in need and YOU are in a position to help them, yet you don&#39;t. What kind of person does that make you?

Do us all a favour and take a good look at yourself, and at what you have become/are becoming

[Bradyman]

China is not communist, Russia was not communist, not one nation to date has achived a perfect communist state, it is impossible.

Jeez. Yes, China, Russia, Cuba, etc. are not communist, and will most likely never be. You see, most of us realize the mistakes of the past and are trying to change the way communism was implemented so that it will work.

Just because it failed in Russia and China, doesn&#39;t mean it can&#39;t work. Do you realize how many times democracy failed to materialize? Just take a look at the history of the Greeks, Romans, or even the French.


No, Capitalism is working now.

Hardly. For one, the world is pretty far from true "capitalism." If you take a look at the most modern countries, you&#39;ll find tons of socialistic aspects that make "capitalism" more bearable.

Must we count the times capitalism has failed. Depression after depression, war after war, jeez it seems as if it&#39;s done more harm then good.


Mugabe seizes private land and redistributes it. That is communist.


Well, Canada has a socialized health care system, you don&#39;t see me calling them communists. Just because it follows one aspect of communism doesn&#39;t mean it is communist.


Because idealism is a powerful force.


That&#39;s exactly what we don&#39;t need. Idealism creates all the Gods, the kings, the idols, the heros, the dictators, all that crap. Idealism creates much of the Che obsession we see on the boards. That sort of crap ain&#39;t going to make communism work, people&#39;s desire to be like Che isn&#39;t going to solve much. We need people to look at what they have right now so they can wake up, we need materialism.

[Touchstone]

Professor Moneybags, you are an idiot. First If our Fricken UNITED SATES OF AMERICA would give a shit a little bit about helping the world, then the entire world would be a much better place. But, instead, we eat our fill of bullshit food, type away on our computers, watch our televisions, AND don&#39;t care about some child that is dying because he can&#39;t find a grain of wheat to fill his shrunken stomach. Of course climate is a factor. "Well if I went out into the desert, I might need water." These people have been on thier soil for coutless number of years, and they know how to survive. BUT, When civil war breaks out, there is on one there to help them. Don&#39;t be retarted and say, "Well if they know how to survive so well why are they dying?" IT&#39;S OBVIOUS. THEY CAN&#39;T MOVE FROM HUNGER PAINS. moron

[mysticofthewest]

the cappie system doesnt work in the us people live below the poverty but its no as bad as it is in the rest of the world because the us exports its poverty to other countries then they say look no poverty here but thats bs

[revolutionindia]

Originally posted by lucid+Apr 23 2004, 11:12 PM--> (lucid @ Apr 23 2004, 11:12 PM)
Dirty [email protected] 23 2004, 05:30 PM
Better for who? the 4 billion who live below the poverty line? or for those lucky enough to be born into a life of luxury in the industrialized world.... People only think capitalism is succesful because they seen the usa as having wealth and stability, but it&#39;s a lie. Millions in the usa are poor and starving, and even more in the rest of the capitalist world.

Under socialism no one lives in poverty, no one is rich because they inherited wealth, the entire system is different. Just because the former soviet union and and china call themselves socialist doens&#39;t make it true.
Here we go with the imaginary mile long soup lines. Go look up the percentage of people in the US that have a car and color TV and then tell me they are poor. [/b]
You morons poverty has various forms

Your money can buy you nothing but a good coffin where

u will rot for eternity


Americans are the poorest in the world when it comes
to culture,morality,social systems mental and spiritual health.

America is the land of paedophiles
Everone from the priest to your uncle is a paedophile
This reflects poverty of the mind

Every second man or woman is a divorcee
This is poverty of culture and social systems.

MOney is god
This reflect spiritual poverty.

The socio-cultural environment prevalent in a community
is indicative of its future

America has no future

[Professor Moneybags]

Originally posted by [email protected] 28 2004, 03:54 AM
Professor Moneybags, you are an idiot. First If our Fricken UNITED SATES OF AMERICA would give a shit a little bit about helping the world, then the entire world would be a much better place. But, instead, we eat our fill of bullshit food, type away on our computers, watch our televisions, AND don&#39;t care about some child that is dying because he can&#39;t find a grain of wheat to fill his shrunken stomach. Of course climate is a factor. "Well if I went out into the desert, I might need water." These people have been on thier soil for coutless number of years, and they know how to survive. BUT, When civil war breaks out, there is on one there to help them. Don&#39;t be retarted and say, "Well if they know how to survive so well why are they dying?" IT&#39;S OBVIOUS. THEY CAN&#39;T MOVE FROM HUNGER PAINS. moron
I don&#39;t know what the point of that post was, but perhaps you ought to be asking yourself why the US isn&#39;t in poverty and Africa is. Perhaps then you ought to ask why Africa is engaged in perpetual civil war (which it has been long before the US existed) and the US isn&#39;t. Trotting out the "the US doesn&#39;t care" cliche isn&#39;t good enough; what the US has and Africa doesn&#39;t and whether the US cares or not is besides the point.

So as a solution, why not just get Africa to adopt a US-style economy ?

[Professor Moneybags]

85% of the worlds population are living below the breadline,

If you beleive that, you&#39;ll believe anything.


I bet you&#39;re the kind of **** who walks past the homeless without even batting an eye. As if the reason for their homelessness actually matters - they&#39;re a human being in need and YOU are in a position to help them, yet you don&#39;t. What kind of person does that make you?

One that doesn&#39;t satisfy himself with cheap rationalisations and unearned guilt by kidding myself that his homlessness is "caused" because someone else has a house.

By the way, why don&#39;t you give your house away to the homeless ? Why don&#39;t you give away all your money to the poor ?

[Professor Moneybags]

Originally posted by [email protected] 28 2004, 06:29 AM
You morons poverty has various forms

Your money can buy you nothing but a good coffin where

u will rot for eternity


Americans are the poorest in the world when it comes
to culture,morality,social systems mental and spiritual health.

America is the land of paedophiles
Everone from the priest to your uncle is a paedophile
This reflects poverty of the mind

Every second man or woman is a divorcee
This is poverty of culture and social systems.

MOney is god
This reflect spiritual poverty.

The socio-cultural environment prevalent in a community
is indicative of its future

America has no future
India ? You mean the country where sacred cows are fed while children starve ?

[Nyder]

Originally posted by Enigma+Apr 27 2004, 05:38 PM--> (Enigma @ Apr 27 2004, 05:38 PM)
[email protected] 26 2004, 02:33 AM

Correction, "Mugabe seizes private land and redistributes it, to his cronies while the people starve. That is capitalist."

Let me guess: If Mugabe was a capitalist, then Stalin must also a capitalist, the same with Hitler, Mao Zedong, Kim Jong Il, Pol Pot, Fidel Castro and Che Guevara(&#33;)

Which means that Bill Gates and George Lucas are definitely communists.

:rolleyes:
me guess: If Mugabe was a capitalist, then Stalin must also a capitalist, the same with Hitler, Mao Zedong, Kim Jong Il, Pol Pot,

Thats about the score. Why you have Hitler I don&#39;t know, thats not even sarcastic, hitler was a capitalist. he supported the large corporations, who funded his party. [/b]
That doesn&#39;t make him a capitalist. If Hitler traded goods and services in a free market without coercion then you could call Hitler a capitalist. You forget, that the money that Hitler would have used to support companies was taken off people&#39;s private income. That is not the capitalist way. Capitalists don&#39;t use force to get money, they do it through trade.

If you can&#39;t understand the difference between someone like Donald Trump and Adolf Hitler then I think you had better see a brain specialist.

[Osman Ghazi]

I don&#39;t know what the point of that post was, but perhaps you ought to be asking yourself why the US isn&#39;t in poverty and Africa is. Perhaps then you ought to ask why Africa is engaged in perpetual civil war (which it has been long before the US existed) and the US isn&#39;t. Trotting out the "the US doesn&#39;t care" cliche isn&#39;t good enough; what the US has and Africa doesn&#39;t and whether the US cares or not is besides the point.


Did you get hit in the head or something or are you always this stupid? Maybe Africa is poorer than the U&#036; because:
A)They were enslaved. I don&#39;t remember that ever happening to the U&#036;. Historians believe that the depopulation caused by this slowed African developement by centuries.
B)They were colonized. Remember a little place called South Africa? Guess what? White people didn&#39;t always live there. And when they came they killed every person they saw and took their land.
C)They were conquered. In 1937, not a single independant African nation existed, though Ethiopia woiuld be restored to independant status in 1945.
D)They were exploited. They were used (and I mean used, not employed) to gather raw materials for the industries of &#39;the civilized world.&#39; Absolutely NO attempts were made to bring any kind of manufacturing to Africa.
E) During the cold war, The U&#036; and Russia took the battle to Africa, causing most of the civil wars. The other civil wars were caused by the fact that the countries were divided along geo political lines, rather than ethnic, thus making ethnic conflict inevitable as they were forced to fight over political power and the scarce resources trhey had.

[Professor Moneybags]

A)They were enslaved.

This is a joke, isn&#39;t it ? Are you trying to tell me that Africans are the only people who have ever been enslaved ? Every continent on earth without exception has had slaves. That sure didn&#39;t prevent some developing faster than others.


Historians believe that the depopulation caused by this slowed African developement by centuries.

Cite.


B)They were colonized. Remember a little place called South Africa? Guess what? White people didn&#39;t always live there. And when they came they killed every person they saw and took their land.

Britain was colonised and invaded too; about a dozen times in the past 2000 years.


D)They were exploited. They were used (and I mean used, not employed) to gather raw materials for the industries of &#39;the civilized world.&#39; Absolutely NO attempts were made to bring any kind of manufacturing to Africa.

Like it would have existed had they not "exploited" them.


E) During the cold war, The U&#036; and Russia took the battle to Africa, causing most of the civil wars. The other civil wars were caused by the fact that the countries were divided along geo political lines, rather than ethnic, thus making ethnic conflict inevitable as they were forced to fight over political power and the scarce resources trhey had.

That&#39;s true in the case of Russia. Make people as poor as possible, so they will vote communist. The same tactic was used in Eastern Europe.

[DaCuBaN]

By the way, why don&#39;t you give your house away to the homeless ? Why don&#39;t you give away all your money to the poor ?

I regularly have lodgers free of charge, I always pick up hitch hikers and I don&#39;t buy myself anything I would deem a luxury (I own a computer, but not a TV - that is my only weakness). All my spare money gets donated to Amnesty International -about £150/month (though it varies) out of my £800/month wage cheque - the rest being swallowed up by my various costs.


Are you trying to tell me that Africans are the only people who have ever been enslaved ? Every continent on earth without exception has had slaves. That sure didn&#39;t prevent some developing faster than others

90% (off the top of my head) probably were - they were shipped all over the world from there after all.


Britain was colonised and invaded too; about a dozen times in the past 2000 years

Hence why I&#39;m in no way nationalist - the idea seems proposterous. Pretty much like being partriotic about another ex colony I could mention :rolleyes:


perhaps you ought to be asking yourself why the US isn&#39;t in poverty and Africa is. Perhaps then you ought to ask why Africa is engaged in perpetual civil war (which it has been long before the US existed) and the US isn&#39;t.

The USA has been around for 228 years now. Of those 228 years they have been at PEACE for 23..... 23/228.... so by my calculation that means you&#39;ve been at war for 9/10th&#39;s of your existence.


That&#39;s true in the case of Russia. Make people as poor as possible, so they will vote communist. The same tactic was used in Eastern Europe.

And the US responded by training their own revolutionaries and installing dictatorships all over the globe so the people could not choose


One that doesn&#39;t satisfy himself with cheap rationalisations and unearned guilt by kidding myself that his homlessness is "caused" because someone else has a house

I don&#39;t want to take your house away from you - I want you to learn that it&#39;s better to share these things, that we&#39;d all do better if we simply helped each other out rather than competing all the time as a capitalist system promotes

[Raisa]

Originally posted by Professor Moneybags+Apr 28 2004, 06:57 AM--> (Professor Moneybags @ Apr 28 2004, 06:57 AM)
[email protected] 28 2004, 03:54 AM
Professor Moneybags, you are an idiot. First If our Fricken UNITED SATES OF AMERICA would give a shit a little bit about helping the world, then the entire world would be a much better place. But, instead, we eat our fill of bullshit food, type away on our computers, watch our televisions, AND don&#39;t care about some child that is dying because he can&#39;t find a grain of wheat to fill his shrunken stomach. Of course climate is a factor. "Well if I went out into the desert, I might need water." These people have been on thier soil for coutless number of years, and they know how to survive. BUT, When civil war breaks out, there is on one there to help them. Don&#39;t be retarted and say, "Well if they know how to survive so well why are they dying?" IT&#39;S OBVIOUS. THEY CAN&#39;T MOVE FROM HUNGER PAINS. moron
I don&#39;t know what the point of that post was, but perhaps you ought to be asking yourself why the US isn&#39;t in poverty and Africa is. Perhaps then you ought to ask why Africa is engaged in perpetual civil war (which it has been long before the US existed) and the US isn&#39;t. Trotting out the "the US doesn&#39;t care" cliche isn&#39;t good enough; what the US has and Africa doesn&#39;t and whether the US cares or not is besides the point.

So as a solution, why not just get Africa to adopt a US-style economy ? [/b]
Africa does not generally have the same historic situation as the USA at all. Do we have people in our country having us work in their mines and then turning us against each other with their money to the point where we will cut a child&#39;s stomach open to see if he ate any of the diamonds he was mining?

Afirca could be so ritch....but exploiters have turned alot of that promising land into a concentration camp HELL.

So you want them to have a US style economy? And what is that? Which third world countries will they export all their hard work to?

[Osman Ghazi]

That&#39;s true in the case of Russia. Make people as poor as possible, so they will vote communist. The same tactic was used in Eastern Europe.

Okay, you&#39;re making this up. That tactic was NOT used in Eastern Europe. Eastern Europe was conquered, plain and simple. There was no reason to cause them to vote communist becasue they didn&#39;t have a choice, stalinism was forced upon them. Now that we have proven that you are a fucking dirty liar, what&#39;s next? Oh yeah. Actually, the USSRs performance was actually above par on this one. The only real dealings they had were supplying arms to the rebels in the Portuguese colonies. Even you must admit that colonialism is just plain wrong, so in the case of Africa, Russia comes out smelling like roses. Unlike the U&#036;, who have supported numerous terrorist rebel groups like UNITA.


This is a joke, isn&#39;t it ? Are you trying to tell me that Africans are the only people who have ever been enslaved ? Every continent on earth without exception has had slaves. That sure didn&#39;t prevent some developing faster than others.


What I&#39;m trying to tell you is that the slave trade in Africa didn&#39;t end until 1850. Slavery of Europeans (excluding Janissaries) ended in the dark ages. It is totally uncomparable because Europe has a thousand-year head start.


Britain was colonised and invaded too; about a dozen times in the past 2000 years.


Well, 4 times actually, but good try champ. However, the last real colonization was the Anglo-Saxon invasions and they were in the 6th century CE. Colonization of the Cpae of Good Hope started in 1659, so again we see a millenium lead by Europe.


Like it would have existed had they not "exploited" them.


Well, theoretically, if they weren&#39;t conquered, they could have used their resources to improve Africa instead of having them used to improve Europe.

Also, good job not tackling the main point, the fact that they were conquered. When Europeans takes over the entire continent and use its resources to build industrialized societes in Europe, Africa doesn&#39;t get much in the way of developement funds, does it? That was the real problem. No money was put into Africa, in fact, the money went the opposite way, much as it does today.

[revolutionindia]

Originally posted by Professor Moneybags+Apr 28 2004, 12:51 PM--> (Professor Moneybags &#064; Apr 28 2004, 12:51 PM)
[email protected] 28 2004, 06:29 AM
You morons poverty has various forms

Your money can buy you nothing but a good coffin where

u will rot for eternity


Americans are the poorest in the world when it comes
to culture,morality,social systems mental and spiritual health.

America is the land of paedophiles
Everone from the priest to your uncle is a paedophile
This reflects poverty of the mind

Every second man or woman is a divorcee
This is poverty of culture and social systems.

MOney is god
This reflect spiritual poverty.

The socio-cultural environment prevalent in a community
is indicative of its future

America has no future
India ? You mean the country where sacred cows are fed while children starve ? [/b]
No I mean America
Where cows are fed their own brains till
they go mad.Then americans eat mad cows and go mad.

Then mad americans feed their children their cocks
You sick paedophiles&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33; :angry:

You dont even leave 2 month old babies and you
even mad enough to take pictures and circulate it on the internet

Sorry to sound so disgusting but thats what americans do

[RedAnarchist]

When the Western world wakes up and realizes that it is gorging itself on luxuries whilst the rest of the world starves, then we can begin helping them. It is a shame that Americans, Brits and the rest can just walk a few metres to a sink, when African have to walk miles to find water. Its a shame that we can walk a few metres to a fridge, when Africans have to starve. We in the West have a responsibilty, a compulsory one, to help our cousins who are in need. There are human beings being starved to death, being traumatized by civil war and being abused by tyrannical governments.

Some people are billionaires in the West. Who needs billions of pounds/dollars/euros? Give money to charity, stop wasting food that you take for granted.

If we all grew our own fruit and vegetables, used less electricity by getting rid of usless televisions and other "luxury" appliances and saw the worthlessness of materialism, we would most likely not be obese, or greedy, or take things for granted.

Christianity got one thing right - love your neighbour. And our neighbour is the poverty-stricken, the hungry, the civilian casualties of war, as well as more well off people in the West.

[LaFayette]

i think XPhile2868 should take the first step and get rid of his luxury PC. Who really needs them, real knowledge is in books.

[RedAnarchist]

Luxury PC? i&#39;m using a college one.

In my house we had a windows 95 until just earlier this year.

So i cant get rid of this computer i&#39;m on. But i can not use the computer.

[Capitalist Imperial]

Originally posted by revolutionindia+Apr 29 2004, 09:52 AM--> (revolutionindia @ Apr 29 2004, 09:52 AM)
Originally posted by Professor [email protected] 28 2004, 12:51 PM

[email protected] 28 2004, 06:29 AM
You morons poverty has various forms

Your money can buy you nothing but a good coffin where

u will rot for eternity


Americans are the poorest in the world when it comes
to culture,morality,social systems mental and spiritual health.

America is the land of paedophiles
Everone from the priest to your uncle is a paedophile
This reflects poverty of the mind

Every second man or woman is a divorcee
This is poverty of culture and social systems.

MOney is god
This reflect spiritual poverty.

The socio-cultural environment prevalent in a community
is indicative of its future

America has no future
India ? You mean the country where sacred cows are fed while children starve ?
No I mean America
Where cows are fed their own brains till
they go mad.Then americans eat mad cows and go mad.

Then mad americans feed their children their cocks
You sick paedophiles&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33; :angry:

You dont even leave 2 month old babies and you
even mad enough to take pictures and circulate it on the internet

Sorry to sound so disgusting but thats what americans do [/b]
Mad cow happened in england

Pedophiles are a worldwide problem, not an Ameerican one.

Revolutionindia is one of the most ignorant people ever to post here.

[STI]

Revolutionindia is one of the most ignorant people ever to post here.

Well, he is restricted.

...You always brighten my day, CI. You&#39;re such a ray of sunshine.

[Capitalist Imperial]

Originally posted by [email protected] 29 2004, 03:32 PM

Revolutionindia is one of the most ignorant people ever to post here.

Well, he is restricted.

...You always brighten my day, CI. You&#39;re such a ray of sunshine.
I&#39;m glad I could help

[revolutionindia]

Originally posted by Capitalist Imperial+Apr 29 2004, 08:56 PM--> (Capitalist Imperial @ Apr 29 2004, 08:56 PM)
Originally posted by [email protected] 29 2004, 09:52 AM

Originally posted by Professor [email protected] 28 2004, 12:51 PM

[email protected] 28 2004, 06:29 AM
You morons poverty has various forms

Your money can buy you nothing but a good coffin where

u will rot for eternity


Americans are the poorest in the world when it comes
to culture,morality,social systems mental and spiritual health.

America is the land of paedophiles
Everone from the priest to your uncle is a paedophile
This reflects poverty of the mind

Every second man or woman is a divorcee
This is poverty of culture and social systems.

MOney is god
This reflect spiritual poverty.

The socio-cultural environment prevalent in a community
is indicative of its future

America has no future
India ? You mean the country where sacred cows are fed while children starve ?
No I mean America
Where cows are fed their own brains till
they go mad.Then americans eat mad cows and go mad.

Then mad americans feed their children their cocks
You sick paedophiles&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33; :angry:

You dont even leave 2 month old babies and you
even mad enough to take pictures and circulate it on the internet

Sorry to sound so disgusting but thats what americans do
Mad cow happened in england

Pedophiles are a worldwide problem, not an Ameerican one.

Revolutionindia is one of the most ignorant people ever to post here. [/b]
Americans europeans you are the same to me
Americans descended from europeans so you all morons

The problem with american paedophiles is that they are the most dangerous

They go all over the world fucking children all along the way

Some months ago an american couple was caught in India

They had picked some poor children from the street and taken
them to a hotel saying they want to feed them

Somebody tipped of the police and they were caught redhanded
engaged in the act

From their laptop many videos and thousands of photographs have
been recovered of children whose lives they ruined all along

To top it all
These guys are out on bail and
probably back on a flight back to America

Considreing the law and order situation in my country
the judges will be bribed and there will be not justice

These americans will live to fuck children another day

And I will rant and rave like a mad man about americans and europeans
on some fucked up leftist site
Because thats all I could do :(

[Capitalist Imperial]

1st of all: Americans are not only decended from europeans. America has decendents from every continent except antarctica.

2nd: Dude, your trippin&#39;.

That story is a sad one, but it does nothing suport your assertion that pedophilia is strictly an american problem. I could vome up with plenty of offenses committed by people from other countries as well. Its been a problem around the world since the beginning of time.

Your racism and stereotypes are disturbing.

[revolutionindia]

Originally posted by Capitalist [email protected] 29 2004, 10:18 PM
1st of all: Americans are not only decended from europeans. America has decendents from every continent except antarctica.

2nd: Dude, your trippin&#39;.

That story is a sad one, but it does nothing suport your assertion that pedophilia is strictly an american problem. I could vome up with plenty of offenses committed by people from other countries as well. Its been a problem around the world since the beginning of time.

Your racism and stereotypes are disturbing.
But most of the paedophiles are of white origin
I have never heard of a black paedophile

Your fucking american media and culture is raping my
people&#39;s lives.
Here people are no longer are proud of what they are
They are busy aping the west
The materialsim is blinding them

In india people have begun to wear levi&#39;s ,drink coke,speak english and
listen to rock music.
This is cultural imperialism.Thay are all being afflicted by greed and
ideas of getting rich.
Consumerism is growing
People used to be happy wth what little the y had
but now they want more

why?

Because america says Greed is good
People want to be rich
They will try the legitimate way if they dont suceed they
are ready to murder ,sell their country, wife and children to get rich

Nobody gives a damn about 600 million people who live
on 1 meal a day.
My country is of glaring contrasts
The top 100 million live a life of luxury while
the bottom 600 million die like dogs everyday

Along with american lifestyles come a host of
other american problems
Suicicde levels are rising so are drug problems,
child abuse,crime against women.

people have even started murdering people for as little as 20&#036;
why because they want to take their girl to a disco and they
have no money
It wasnt like this some time back

We may be poor but we had our dignity,culture,traditions
but all that is now fading

I dont know if i will ever start a revolution or do anything good
for my country or my people. probably i might

or else
Sometimes i feel i should renounce this world find a guru and live in a cave
searching for that which is infinite and pondering on the mysteries of this world

All in this world is an illusion its called Maya
Hopefully I will make some sense of it in this life.

[Capitalist Imperial]

[But most of the paedophiles are of white origin
I have never heard of a black paedophile

There have been plenty, including in some african tribes where it is a regular and accepted practice. Again, your ignorance abounds.


Your fucking american media and culture is raping my
people&#39;s lives.

You mean your people enjoy American culture (like most do), and are absorbing it of their own free will and volition. Its called freedom of choice, try it sometime.


In india people have begun to wear levi&#39;s ,drink coke,speak english and
listen to rock music.

Oh no, send in the cops&#33;&#33;&#33; Sounds like your guys are finally loosening up.

[revolutionindia]

Originally posted by Capitalist [email protected] 29 2004, 10:47 PM

[But most of the paedophiles are of white origin
I have never heard of a black paedophile


No black man ever came into my country to fuck my little
brothers and sisters.

Imprialists start counting your days

[Capitalist Imperial]

Originally posted by [email protected] 29 2004, 05:26 PM

Imprialists start counting your days
I don&#39;t know when the sun will go supernova, so I won&#39;t know when to stop counting. Of course, by then we&#39;ll have colonized another star system anyway, and likely put in a Wal-Mart and Mickey-D&#39;s there.

As you can see in your own nation, it is we that are assimilating you.

Perhaps you should count your days, though in your case you can only probably get to 20, being that you&#39;ll run out of appendages.

If your community&#39;s water is that bad, maybe you&#39;ll get to 21 or 22.

[revolutionindia]

Originally posted by Capitalist Imperial+Apr 29 2004, 11:06 PM--> (Capitalist Imperial @ Apr 29 2004, 11:06 PM)
[email protected] 29 2004, 05:26 PM

Imprialists start counting your days
I don&#39;t know when the sun will go supernova, so I won&#39;t know when to stop counting. Of course, by then we&#39;ll have colonized another star system anyway, and likely put in a Wal-Mart and Mickey-D&#39;s there.

As you can see in your own nation, it is we that are assimilating you.

Perhaps you should count your days, though in your case you can only probably get to 20, being that you&#39;ll run out of appendages.

If your community&#39;s water is that bad, maybe you&#39;ll get to 21 or 22. [/b]
I swear we will put a man on mars even before you american
imperialists start colonizing space on the same lines of how the
europeans raped africa in the 18th and early 19th century

[Capitalist Imperial]

Originally posted by [email protected] 29 2004, 05:48 PM
I swear we will put a man on mars even before you american
imperialists start colonizing space on the same lines of how the
europeans raped africa in the 18th and early 19th century
Its too late there, tiger.

America is already colonizing space.

American equipment is already on Mars.

Coca-Cola has already mapped out plans for a bottling plant in one of the small craters there.

American Colonozation of space is imminent.

[Osman Ghazi]

Ha&#33; Are you retarded? Wait, of course you are. Sorry about that. You think that it is just that simple? You think a nation that is 7 trillion dollars in debt can just colonize space? And then there is the fact that NASAs funding has been repeatedly cut in the past 20 years. It is really amazing how you can ignore all the facts. Do you practice or were you born douchebag?

[lucid]

Originally posted by Osman [email protected] 29 2004, 07:18 PM
Ha&#33; Are you retarded? Wait, of course you are. Sorry about that. You think that it is just that simple? You think a nation that is 7 trillion dollars in debt can just colonize space? And then there is the fact that NASAs funding has been repeatedly cut in the past 20 years. It is really amazing how you can ignore all the facts. Do you practice or were you born douchebag?
I think it&#39;s great that even with 7 trillion in debt we can still do more than your iced over country.

[DaCuBaN]

I think it&#39;s dreadful that you are advocating a system whereby the strongest, richest nation on earth is 7 billion (7,000,000,000,000 learn numbers damnit&#33;) dollars in debt.


American equipment is already on Mars

So is European equipment. It might not work but you never said anything about that ;) :D

[Osman Ghazi]

I think it&#39;s great that even with 7 trillion in debt we can still do more than your iced over country.

Long Live the Patria, Lucid. Sieg heil.

[lucid]

Originally posted by Osman [email protected] 29 2004, 07:41 PM

I think it&#39;s great that even with 7 trillion in debt we can still do more than your iced over country.

Long Live the Patria, Lucid. Sieg heil.
Uhh, yeah.

[Capitalist Imperial]

Originally posted by Osman [email protected] 29 2004, 07:18 PM
Ha&#33; Are you retarded? Wait, of course you are. Sorry about that. You think that it is just that simple? And then there is the fact that NASAs funding has been repeatedly cut in the past 20 years. It is really amazing how you can ignore all the facts. Do you practice or were you born douchebag?

It is really amazing how you can ignore all the facts.

Fact: America has Hardware on mars as you breath right now.

Fact: American Flag is embedded on lunar soil as you breath right now.

Fact: America has more satellites in space than anyone

Fact: America has sent probes throughout the solar system.

Fact: America conducts far more launches and space missions than any other nation

Fact: America is by far the largest contributor in terms of money, technology,and effort to the international space station.

Those, my leftist puke, are the facts.

So, not only can we colonize space, it is a fact that we already are colonizing space, albeit in the very early stages. Bush has implemented an initiative to have man on mars this century. So, yes, we will colonize space eventually, there is no doubt in my mind at all.


You think a nation that is 7 trillion dollars in debt can just colonize space?

Do you realy think a nation can create a machine that flies?

Do you really think a nation can create a device that lets you talk to someone 3000 miles away?

Do you really think a nation can create an artificial heart?

Do you really think a nation can put a man on the moon?

Do you really think a nation can harness the power of the atom?

Do you really think a nation can create a worldwide computer network that can bring the world together?

Do you really think what has happened to NASA in the last 20 years has anything to do with the next 100 or 200 years? We have a vehicle on mars right now, you imbecile.

I guess that is what seperates America from your nation, Ozman, we don&#39;t worry about what we "can&#39;t" do. We believe we "can" do it, and that is why we are where we are.

It looks like it is you who needs to examine the "facts", sir.

[DaCuBaN]

Ignoring the downfalls of a system is inexcusable though - we must always weigh up the pros and cons of every situation.


I guess that is what seperates America from your nation, Ozman, we don&#39;t worry about what we "can&#39;t" do. We believe we "can" do it, and that is why we are where we are.


and it&#39;s not a matter of &#39;can&#39; and &#39;cannot&#39; - the pessimist and optimist exist in all cultures. You are where you are due to having the copious quantities of natural resources within your borders, and the unscrupulous methods used by many (very much akin to those of their fore fathers in the UK) to exploit said resources, both at home and abroad.

I firmly believe your political system had nothing to do with the success of the US. After all, the country has yet to try an alternative method.

[Nas]

You have to understand most of the people here (USA) are not ready for a change and many of them are so adapted and so hopelessly dependent on this capitalist system, that they will fight to protect it.....

[lucid]

Hopelessly dependant seems like it would go better with the communist system.

[Capitalist Imperial]

Originally posted by [email protected] 29 2004, 08:36 PM
You have to understand most of the people here (USA) are not ready for a change and many of them are so adapted and so hopelessly dependent on this capitalist system, that they will fight to protect it.....
Why do you even bother to talk in terms of dependance? The individual responsibility inherent to American capitalism lends itself to much less dependance than communism, which is a pure welfare state.

When you discuss dependance, discuss communism. That is what it is, state sponsored dependance.


Capitalism is, by it&#39;s essence, independance.

[lucid]

/me high fives CI&#33;

[DaCuBaN]

People, naturally, will always fear change when they cannot see anything wrong with the current way of things.


You have to understand most of the people here (USA) are not ready for a change and many of them are so adapted and so hopelessly dependent on this capitalist system, that they will fight to protect it.....

&#39;We are children of our environment&#39;

Socialists/Communists say Capitalism is proven not to work, whereas Capitalists/Imperialists say the opposite. Surely we should THEN be trying to look at what middle ground we can find rather than simply trying to flame everyone who disagrees with you. In my short time on this board I&#39;ve met some right wankers of lefties and rights alike, and the complete opposite - perfectly reasonable people with extremist views. The problem is when people cannot seperate their emotion from a debate. There is no such thing as an emotional debate - it&#39;s called an argument and will get us nowhere

So get off the soapbox please. Myself included.

[Nas]

so you are saying you are not dependent on the capitalist system?

[lucid]

I think we are already going to a middle ground. In the US there are already a lot of social programs and more are more are being implemented every year. The only problem I have with the social programs in the US is the fact that they designed to sway elections and not help people. There are way to many people that abuse it.

[Osman Ghazi]

I guess that is what seperates America from your nation, Ozman, we don&#39;t worry about what we "can&#39;t" do. We believe we "can" do it, and that is why we are where we are.


Oh no&#33; Not my country&#33; Take it all back&#33;

Patriotism is for the weak CI. I would have thought that you would know that at least. This is patriotism in a nutshell: &#39;A bunch of guys who happened to be born in the same place as I was did this and that is why I am better than you&#39;.

EDIT: By the by, nice reference to that good ol&#39; American spirit. You sound like hank hill. Who is a retard by the way.

[lucid]

Originally posted by Osman [email protected] 29 2004, 09:04 PM

I guess that is what seperates America from your nation, Ozman, we don&#39;t worry about what we "can&#39;t" do. We believe we "can" do it, and that is why we are where we are.


Oh no&#33; Not my country&#33; Take it all back&#33;

Patriotism is for the weak CI. I would have thought that you would know that at least. This is patriotism in a nutshell: &#39;A bunch of guys who happened to be born in the same place as I was did this and that is why I am better than you&#39;.

EDIT: By the by, nice reference to that good ol&#39; American spirit. You sound like hank hill. Who is a retard by the way.
Hrm, maybe our patriotism that keeps you under our thumb.

[DaCuBaN]

Hrm, maybe our patriotism that keeps you under our thumb

Would you care to elaborate? justify? or is this another one liner we&#39;ll never see a shred of evidence or even an argument for?

[VukBZ2005]

Originally posted by [email protected] 23 2004, 04:45 PM
Yes I did get a better understanding. Yet, it furthered my knowledge that it just can&#39;t work. Capitalism is no better , but its the best system we&#39;ve got so far.
Capitalism Is stupid. While the very rich profit from the labor of others,
the Working Class suffers. Capitalism Is not the Best we have - AT ALL&#33;

[Capitalist Imperial]

Originally posted by LinuxMan86+Apr 29 2004, 11:18 PM--> (LinuxMan86 @ Apr 29 2004, 11:18 PM)
[email protected] 23 2004, 04:45 PM
Yes I did get a better understanding. Yet, it furthered my knowledge that it just can&#39;t work. Capitalism is no better , but its the best system we&#39;ve got so far.
Capitalism Is stupid. While the very rich profit from the labor of others,
the Working Class suffers. Capitalism Is not the Best we have - AT ALL&#33; [/b]
It is easily the best we have.

[VukBZ2005]

Originally posted by Capitalist Imperial+Apr 29 2004, 11:21 PM--> (Capitalist Imperial @ Apr 29 2004, 11:21 PM)
Originally posted by [email protected] 29 2004, 11:18 PM

[email protected] 23 2004, 04:45 PM
Yes I did get a better understanding. Yet, it furthered my knowledge that it just can&#39;t work. Capitalism is no better , but its the best system we&#39;ve got so far.
Capitalism Is stupid. While the very rich profit from the labor of others,
the Working Class suffers. Capitalism Is not the Best we have - AT ALL&#33;
It is easily the best we have. [/b]
No you imperialist Peace of Shit, it&#39;s not. It Benifits The Rich - Not The Worker&#33;
Capitalism is - like you - Crap.

[DaCuBaN]

*slaps linuxman86*

no need for that, let&#39;s try to keep this civil

The CIA WORLD FACTBOOK (http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/us.html) for the USA makes interesting reading here...

"...Since 1975, practically all the gains in household income have gone to the top 20% of households..."

It&#39;s an eliteist society, and if you are all in favour of the rich getting richer whilst the poor get poorer then it works just fine.

I&#39;s be willing to hedge my bets that the figures are far worse than that, as you can&#39;t trust the CIA ;)

[Capitalist Imperial]

Originally posted by LinuxMan86+Apr 29 2004, 11:28 PM--> (LinuxMan86 @ Apr 29 2004, 11:28 PM)
Originally posted by Capitalist [email protected] 29 2004, 11:21 PM

Originally posted by [email protected] 29 2004, 11:18 PM

[email protected] 23 2004, 04:45 PM
Yes I did get a better understanding. Yet, it furthered my knowledge that it just can&#39;t work. Capitalism is no better , but its the best system we&#39;ve got so far.
Capitalism Is stupid. While the very rich profit from the labor of others,
the Working Class suffers. Capitalism Is not the Best we have - AT ALL&#33;
It is easily the best we have.
No you imperialist Peace of Shit, it&#39;s not. It Benifits The Rich - Not The Worker&#33;
Capitalism is - like you - Crap. [/b]
American workers have the best standard of living of any wiorking class on earth.. I don&#39;t call home ownership, 2 cars in the garage, and food on the table every night exploitation.

Call me crazy...

[DaCuBaN]

but that&#39;s the point... under a true communist society you wouldn&#39;t be able to own a house, or a car. This means that your yard stick doesn&#39;t really work here. You would get access to all these things but they are shared - The idea of ownership being void

[Professor Moneybags]

Originally posted by [email protected] 29 2004, 11:28 PM
No you imperialist Peace of Shit, it&#39;s not. It Benifits The Rich - Not The Worker&#33;
Capitalism is - like you - Crap.
My "Brainwashed Dupe" detector is going off the scale.

[Osman Ghazi]

Wow talk about coincidence, so&#39;s mine. Douche.

Also, CI, nice work avoiding the CIA post. I thought that was going to be hard to answer but you evaded like a pro. Has anyone recomended running in bourgeois politics? That&#39;s pretty much the only skill you need.

[Capitalist Imperial]

Originally posted by Osman [email protected] 30 2004, 11:30 AM
Wow talk about coincidence, so&#39;s mine. Douche.

Also, CI, nice work avoiding the CIA post. I thought that was going to be hard to answer but you evaded like a pro. Has anyone recomended running in bourgeois politics? That&#39;s pretty much the only skill you need.
Where is it? I honestly missed it. Let me read it and I&#39;ll address it.

[Osman Ghazi]

The CIA WORLD FACTBOOK for the USA makes interesting reading here...

"...Since 1975, practically all the gains in household income have gone to the top 20% of households..."

It&#39;s an eliteist society, and if you are all in favour of the rich getting richer whilst the poor get poorer then it works just fine.

I&#39;s be willing to hedge my bets that the figures are far worse than that, as you can&#39;t trust the CIA


From da cuban

[DaCuBaN]

It&#39;s okay, I&#39;m used to it. CI is one of the better for this - normally he will attempt an answer, and I&#39;ve even seen him back down, agree to differ and the like ;)

CI is an imperialist I have time for.

Moneybags? if you have nothing useful to say, then say nothing at all. This is a private members community, and as such you are privileged to be in here at all - by spouting one liners - and you are by no means the only one doing it, but you&#39;re the most likely to get pulled up on it by a mod - you just alienate yourself and make it look like you don&#39;t even have a clue about the subject matter.


Wow talk about coincidence, so&#39;s mine. Douche

*slaps ozman*

learn from ghandi damnit&#33;

[Osman Ghazi]

*slaps dacuban*

wait, what? No that&#39;s not right.

*slaps moneybags*

Ah, that&#39;s better. Sorry about that, but it&#39;s the only way he&#39;ll learn. After all, take a page from CI: "WAR ENDS CONFLICTS"

[JonP]

Originally posted by Capitalist Imperial+Apr 23 2004, 10:43 PM--> (Capitalist Imperial @ Apr 23 2004, 10:43 PM)
Capitalist Imperialist
correction: Under capitalsm many are successful, some not so much, but everyone has opportunity to change their destiny

[/b]
What bullshit , would you like to go and tell the exploited bolivian coffee farmers that they can "change their destiny" and can become rich and "succesfull"
:rolleyes:

[Capitalist Imperial]

Originally posted by JonP+Apr 30 2004, 07:39 PM--> (JonP @ Apr 30 2004, 07:39 PM)
Originally posted by Capitalist [email protected] 23 2004, 10:43 PM

Capitalist Imperialist
correction: Under capitalsm many are successful, some not so much, but everyone has opportunity to change their destiny


What bullshit , would you like to go and tell the exploited bolivian coffee farmers that they can "change their destiny" and can become rich and "succesfull"
:rolleyes: [/b]
Ahh, of course, the plight of bolivians is also America&#39;s problem

[DaCuBaN]

I thought practically all the coffee that was distributed throughout the western world came through American/German business...

[VukBZ2005]

Originally posted by Professor Moneybags+Apr 30 2004, 06:48 AM--> (Professor Moneybags @ Apr 30 2004, 06:48 AM)
[email protected] 29 2004, 11:28 PM
No you imperialist Peace of Shit, it&#39;s not. It Benifits The Rich - Not The Worker&#33;
Capitalism is - like you - Crap.
My "Brainwashed Dupe" detector is going off the scale. [/b]
Yeah and i am about Kick your ass with my bat. What a *****.

[Capitalist Imperial]

Originally posted by LinuxMan86+Apr 30 2004, 09:00 PM--> (LinuxMan86 @ Apr 30 2004, 09:00 PM)
Originally posted by Professor [email protected] 30 2004, 06:48 AM

[email protected] 29 2004, 11:28 PM
No you imperialist Peace of Shit, it&#39;s not. It Benifits The Rich - Not The Worker&#33;
Capitalism is - like you - Crap.
My "Brainwashed Dupe" detector is going off the scale.
Yeah and i am about Kick your ass with my bat. What a *****. [/b]
Nothing is as pathetic as someone who gets tough on an internet chat board.

[STI]

American workers have the best standard of living of any wiorking class on earth.. I don&#39;t call home ownership, 2 cars in the garage, and food on the table every night exploitation.

Call me crazy...


Until mass union mobilization, the working class was barely able to get together a living wage. And, according to the UN, the US doesn&#39;t have the highest living wage in the world.

...But then again, of course you know more than everyone in the UN put together :rolleyes:

[JonP]

Originally posted by Capitalist Imperial+Apr 30 2004, 08:20 PM--> (Capitalist Imperial @ Apr 30 2004, 08:20 PM)
Originally posted by JonP+Apr 30 2004, 07:39 PM--> (JonP &#064; Apr 30 2004, 07:39 PM)
Capitalist [email protected] 23 2004, 10:43 PM

Capitalist Imperialist
correction: Under capitalsm many are successful, some not so much, but everyone has opportunity to change their destiny


What bullshit , would you like to go and tell the exploited bolivian coffee farmers that they can "change their destiny" and can become rich and "succesfull"
:rolleyes: [/b]
Ahh, of course, the plight of bolivians is also America&#39;s problem [/b]
It is when you exploit them

[Professor Moneybags]

How can you "kick my ass" with a "bat" ? Can you hold a bat with your feet ? What are you, a chimpanzee or something ? Lol. Sod this.

[Maynard]

Go look up the percentage of people in the US that have a car and color TV and then tell me they are poor"Homelessness and hunger
has increased an average of 16 percent annually for the last 15 years" according to the U.S. Conference of Mayors. While according to the Census Bureau 35 million are officially poor,while 3 million are homeless and therefore, are not included in the census. While they are "rich" by many people&#39;s standards, it still remains a problem.

"The homeless population includes people from all walks of life, so the question "who is homeless" is a difficult one to answer. However, many people are surprised to find out just how diverse the homeless population is. 35% of people experiencing homelessness are families with children, which is the fastest growing homeless population. About one-fifth are U.S. military veterans, 25% are children under the age of 18 years, 30% have experienced domestic violence and 20-25% suffer from mental illness. The stereotypical picture many people have of a homeless person fails to capture the complexity of the population experiencing homelessness.

A recent report by the U.S. Conference of Mayors found that 22% of people experiencing homelessness are employed. Similar surveys have found that for most people, homelessness is a temporary and highly unexpected situation, often resulting from a lost job, the lack of affordable housing, illness, or disability. On average, people remain homeless for six months. "

"Lack of Affordable Housing: There is a severe lack of affordable housing in the United States. The growing gap between wage earnings and the cost of housing in the United States leaves millions of families and individuals unable to make ends meet. According to the National Low Income Housing Coalition, families across the country would need to earn a "housing wage" of &#036;15.21 an hour, nearly three times the current minimum wage, to afford a two-bedroom apartment at the average fair market rent. Even in West Virginia, the least expensive rental state in the country, a full-time wage earner would have to earn over &#036;8.78/hour-&#036;3 higher than the federal minimum wage-in order to afford a two bedroom apartment. "

While, the UN released a report placing the US 17th out of the 17 countries surveyed in the poverty index. http://www.undp.org/hdr2003/indicator/indic_26_1_1.html

It is of course much better than in most other countries but it still remains a signficant problem in the United States. Is anything in particular being done about it though ? I&#39;m not sure. Having people homeless not only hurts them but it hurts society and those in society as well.


How&#39;s comrade Mugabe and his "land redistribution" going ? You realise those who have the land stole it off many of the black farmers during the Rhodesia era with absolutly no compensation at all being payed ? Why should there property rights be protected ? I think land redistrubtion is a good overall policy , not the way Mugabe is doing it however, which seems to be political gain more than anything else. With 4,500 white farmers owning 70 % of the land, it was inevitable that it was going too happen, after the British government promised support than withdrew it as well. They have too share some of the blame.

This article is good reading:http://www.commondreams.org/views/050100-103.htm

[Raisa]

Originally posted by Capitalist [email protected] 29 2004, 11:21 PM

It is easily the best we have.
Maybe its the best YOU have.

[Raisa]

Originally posted by Capitalist Imperial+Apr 29 2004, 05:36 PM--> (Capitalist Imperial @ Apr 29 2004, 05:36 PM)
[email protected] 29 2004, 05:26 PM

Imprialists start counting your days
I don&#39;t know when the sun will go supernova, so I won&#39;t know when to stop counting. Of course, by then we&#39;ll have colonized another star system anyway, and likely put in a Wal-Mart and Mickey-D&#39;s there.

As you can see in your own nation, it is we that are assimilating you.

Perhaps you should count your days, though in your case you can only probably get to 20, being that you&#39;ll run out of appendages.

If your community&#39;s water is that bad, maybe you&#39;ll get to 21 or 22. [/b]
Capitalist Imperial...........I think you&#39;re a communist, becasue you make such sterio typical capitalist statements. I really am beginning to think so.
:ph34r: