anarcho-syndicalism

[leftist manson]

hey guys
wassap
you know what , i have read a lot about anarchism on the internet but nowher could i find the basic distinction between anarcho-syndicalism and marxism.
are they the same thing
and why do anarcho -syndicalists use their red and black flag
what does it represent

[redstar2000]

Anarcho-syndicalists, like other syndicalists, want to create an industrial union movement based on anarchist ideas. Therefore they advocate decentralized, federated unions that use direct action to get reforms under capitalism until they are strong enough to overthrow it.

Thus, even under capitalism, anarcho-syndicalists seek to create "free associations of free producers." They think that these associations would serve as "a practical school of anarchism" and they take very seriously Bakunin's remark that the workers' organisations must create "not only the ideas but also the facts of the future itself" in the pre-revolutionary period.

--from Comrade James' "Anarchism for Dummies" at the top of this forum.

Anarcho-syndicalists have also been traditionally considered "class struggle anarchists" -- that is, they consider the working class to be the revolutionary class under capitalism.

Thus, in their actual practical activity (at its best) they act "as if" they were Marxists; they manifest an uncompromising hostility to the capitalist ruling class based on the class interests of the workers.

Marx has something of a "bad odor" among many anarchists (for historical reasons), and thus anarcho-syndicalists are most unlikely to ever call themselves "Marxists". Nevertheless, there was at least one incidence of fruitful collaboration between them: the Trotskyist POUM and the left-syndicalist group "Friends of Durruti" combined to oppose the alliance of the Spanish Communist Party and the Spanish bourgeoisie in the late 1930s. As far as I know, their cooperation was based on the demand that "the working class should actually run things"!

If you hang out at this site for a while, you'll learn that I am one of those who is very much in favor of an alliance of radical Communist libertarians (real Marxists) and "class struggle/platformist" anarchists...and against both the capitalist ruling class and the various Leninist (fake Marxist) pretenders to the "throne".

But there's a lot of history to overcome along the way.

:redstar2000:

The Redstar2000 Papers (http://www.redstar2000papers.fightcapitalism.net)
A site about communist ideas

[elijahcraig]

Fake Marxists....hahhaha, that's hilarious.

Keep 'em comin', Redstar, you crazy fuck.

[Essential Insignificance]

Its sounds comparatively precise to me…and I am assume among many others.

I take it that you don’t "like" the intention of the sentiment.

Rather funny it is…that is his comment. :lol:

[leftist manson]

[ [QUOTE]If you hang out at this site for a while, you'll learn that I am one of those who is very much in favor of an alliance of radical Communist libertarians (real Marxists) and "class struggle/platformist" anarchists...and against both the capitalist ruling class and the various Leninist (fake Marxist) pretenders to the "throne
thanx
man for your help
i really love your website
but the way you say it, it makes me feel that you are strictly anti-leninism and its off-shoot stalinism. but
isn't that an inevitable consequence of marxism
A strictly authoritarian government for saving the revolution and then the concept of state gradually corroding and a libertarian communist state being born
that's what happened in the ussr and china
or you have other opinions
any body
HELP

[antieverything]

Gotta love Redstar's delusion that he alone can see that true Marxism is really Anarchism despite what thousands of Marx scholars say to the contrary. But hell, I've heard Market socialists and social democrats claim that they are the true Marxists...it really doesn't matter to me anyway.