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elijahcraig
22nd April 2004, 21:18
I was watching the news (CNN, think, or FOX, can't remember), and they were reporting that a lot of Jewish (Zionist) Groups were complaining that when you type in "jew" on Google search, it comes up with anti-Semitic sites.

Here's one: "Jew Watch".

The Jewish groups are correct about the Google anti-semite search thing (though Google itself is not anti-semitic).

I started looking through some of this stuff, and came across this page: http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-references-gen...atotherssay.htm (http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-references-gentile-whatotherssay.htm)

It's amazing to me how many people think Jews control the world (even Mark Twain!).



What do you think about this issue?

palestine_forever
22nd April 2004, 21:58
The Jewish vote has significant influence on US elections and, putting the stereo-type aside, it is true in saying Jews have great power in industry such as that of diamonds. Jews play a great role in capitalism and in pressurising governments into adopting pro-israeli policies. The World Zionist Organisation is an example of the Jewish global movement for power.

Severian
23rd April 2004, 10:00
Originally posted by [email protected] 22 2004, 03:58 PM
The Jewish vote has significant influence on US elections and, putting the stereo-type aside, it is true in saying Jews have great power in industry such as that of diamonds. Jews play a great role in capitalism and in pressurising governments into adopting pro-israeli policies. The World Zionist Organisation is an example of the Jewish global movement for power.
That's a big jump from the diamond industry to "a great role in capitalism" generally.

I know that when Ferdinand Lundberg, back in the 1930s, researched the 60 richest families in the U.S. (Rockefellers, DuPonts, etc.), only one of them was Jewish. The Rosenfelds, who at that time owned Sears Roebuck. If someone was to do a similar list today, the number of Jewish families might have grown somewhat. But I would guess still not huge, based on, among other things, the impression I get from reading G. William Domhoff, a sociologist who studies the ruling class.

At that time, the U.S. ruling class was overtly anti-Semitic - no Jews admitted to its country clubs or prep schools, for example - and there's gotta be some legacy of that in its covert attitudes today.

I'm not going to deny that most Jewish organizations in support pro-Israel policies, and play a role in pushing them through, but I think it's often exaggerated. And the larger capitalist and imperialist motives of U.S. foreign policy in the Mideast underrated.

It certainly is amazing how many people think "the Jews" run everything though...I used to work with this guy who tried to tell me the Rockefellers were Jewish, and I couldn't convince him otherwise.

RedAnarchist
23rd April 2004, 10:07
Many far-right insects like to blame the Jewish for many things, scapegoating them and attacking them whenever they can. It is a shame that these people, who have given us intelligent left-wingers such as Marx and Einstein (he was a left-winger) are abused by an uneducated few.

palestine_forever
23rd April 2004, 15:02
Originally posted by [email protected] 23 2004, 10:00 AM
I'm not going to deny that most Jewish organizations in support pro-Israel policies, and play a role in pushing them through, but I think it's often exaggerated.
It really isnt exaggerated. Look at election turnout, dangerously low, other segments of society (South American/ Black, etc.) are not voting enough, thus the Jewish vote becomes an un-representative and dis-proportional chunk of the electorate. That, is the true meaning of power in the "democratic" real world.

peaccenicked
23rd April 2004, 15:37
Anti-semitism is a horrendous form of racism which Zionism is a peculiarly twisted form of; it is vilely racist against fellow semites in the arab world. It is basically gangsterism that has used the sick excuse of the bloody Nazi holocaust to create hell on earth for the Palestinians. That is something that must prelude every statement on an conspiracy theory.

Intifada
23rd April 2004, 19:09
the link doesn't work for me.

God of Imperia
23rd April 2004, 20:43
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lol :)

elijahcraig
23rd April 2004, 21:26
I'm not a big fan of Jewish culture, personally.

BuyOurEverything
23rd April 2004, 21:42
I'm not a big fan of Jewish culture, personally.

I remember you saying that before, what exactly do you mean by it? I'm sure I asked you before, but I don't recall the answer.


It really isnt exaggerated. Look at election turnout, dangerously low, other segments of society (South American/ Black, etc.) are not voting enough, thus the Jewish vote becomes an un-representative and dis-proportional chunk of the electorate. That, is the true meaning of power in the "democratic" real world.

So because (you claim) a small minority of the population has a moderately higher voter turnout than other minorities, they somehow have control of the government? Never mind the fact that even if it is true, the non-jew vote vastly out numbers the jewish vote.


The Jewish vote has significant influence on US elections and, putting the stereo-type aside, it is true in saying Jews have great power in industry such as that of diamonds.

First, prove the jewish vote 'greatly' influences US elections. Second, the fact that many jews have power in the diamond industry is meaningless. The diamond industry is a far stretch from the government, and many of them are probably non-practising anyways. Most importantly, however, there is no central jewish 'agenda,' so even if a large proportion of jews controlled the government, which they don't, it would be irrelevant.


Jews play a great role in capitalism and in pressurising governments into adopting pro-israeli policies. The World Zionist Organisation is an example of the Jewish global movement for power.

I see, so the fact that an orginiaztion representing a minority of a portion Jews means that Jews are trying to control the world? Spread you conspiracy theories elsewhere.

acg4_9
24th April 2004, 00:59
the thought of jewish not having a huge control of the world is like putting our heads in the sand. i am not against the jews but against zionist and unfortunatly most of the jews controlling the world are zionist. in the arab world we lived happily with the jews for centuries and the occupation of palestine by the zionist was the start of the arab-zionist conflict, we are just fighting for our rights. jews are not a race they are a religious group that shared history with us and we respect them but the zionist those fashists are our enemy and i am not ashamed to say that there destruction is a step in cleaning up the world from imperialics and fashists.

viva la resistance
viva iraq, viva palestine.

BuyOurEverything
24th April 2004, 01:15
Right, now how about you give some proof that jews control the world. Or at least adress my points.

acg4_9
24th April 2004, 01:42
jews are the most affecting loby in america they made america put a vito against anything that attacks israel they control directly and indirectly the weapon industry the oil industry and the stock markets we still remember what a billionair jew did with the east asian stock markets in 1998. in a book called dangerous liaisons wrote by two americans -i'll try to remember there names and post it to you- the secrets of the zionists controlling the majority of wars in the world putting leaders and getting rid of others like in uganda, zair, kenya, athubia, argentina, chile and other african and south american nations. we are talking about a well organized group that wants the world to serve them. hundreds of books wrote about them i'll try to e-mail you some of there names when there is a chance.

viva la resistance,
viva iraq, viva palestine

Pedro Alonso Lopez
24th April 2004, 13:36
I would also hold some resignations against some aspects of Jewish culture, the extremist end to be exact. Zionism is quite a disturbing development and is a lot more subtle in achieving its goals.

elijahcraig
24th April 2004, 20:04
I remember you saying that before, what exactly do you mean by it? I'm sure I asked you before, but I don't recall the answer.

It’s mainly weak and tribal, and business oriented, which has allowed more cultural control.


Right, now how about you give some proof that jews control the world. Or at least adress my points.

There are significant amounts of Jews in media who are pro-Israel, Israel is a controller of US policy to an extreme amount.

It is plain to anyone that the Right-wing Jewish population has a higher control than anyone else, at least in the Middle East in relation to the US.

This is not racist. The same thing is happening in India right now with the right-wing Hindu government, though it is less than Israel for obvious reasons.

Prominent Jewish businessmen lobby all the time (as reported by Z Magazine frequently) for wars against anti-Israel nations (Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Iran, etc etc). And they get what they want because of the large Christian American Population.

Severian
24th April 2004, 20:36
Originally posted by [email protected] 24 2004, 02:04 PM
There are significant amounts of Jews in media who are pro-Israel, Israel is a controller of US policy to an extreme amount.

It is plain to anyone that the Right-wing Jewish population has a higher control than anyone else, at least in the Middle East in relation to the US.

This is not racist. The same thing is happening in India right now with the right-wing Hindu government, though it is less than Israel for obvious reasons.

Prominent Jewish businessmen lobby all the time (as reported by Z Magazine frequently) for wars against anti-Israel nations (Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Iran, etc etc). And they get what they want because of the large Christian American Population.
Well, so much for the idea that capitalism is the cause of imperialism, huh? It's "the Jews," that's all. Certainly a much simpler explanation. Only problem is, it's scapegoating. Understandable coming from ultrarightists who think the U.S. government is not serving the real "national interests" of U.S. capitalism, but bizarre coming from people who call themselves leftists.

Israel is a useful tool of U.S. foreign policy, like numerous other client states around the world, only more so. That is the main reason for U.S. support to Israel. Pro-Israel Jewish - and Christian fundamentalist - groups are a secondary factor.

Zionism and the World Zionist Organization are not and never have been about taking over the world. They are about serving the current masters of the world by taking over Palestine, and intervening in nearby countries. Whenever you hear someone going on about "Zionism" in a context that has nothing to do with the Middle East, you can be sure that "Zionism" is a code word for "the Jews."

Theodore Herzl, the founder of modern Zionism, appealed to British imperialism on the basis that a Jewish state in Palestine could serve the British Empire, serving as, he said, a "rampart of Europe against Asia, an outpost of civilization against barbarism." That remains the relationship of the Israeli state to larger imperialist powers today.

As for the "Jewish-controlled media", Jewish-owned media like the New York Times are not any more pro-Israel than other big-business media. Sometimes less so - the NYT was even the target of a boycott campaign a couple years back, by rightists who thought it was insufficiently pro-Israel.

When Israel's interests conflict with the interests of U.S. imperialism, it gets slapped down hard and fast. For example, during the 1991 Gulf War, Israel wanted, badly needed, to retaliate for the Iraqi Scud attacks. The highly militarized Israeli state depends on its reputation for massive retaliation for all attacks. But the U.S. refused to give the Israeli Air Force its "friend or foe" codes and made it clear they would be shot down by the U.S. Air Force over Iraq. Adding insult to injury, Washington gave Tel Aviv a bunch of Patriot missiles that didn't work.

There was a time when some people thought the "Taiwan lobby" ran U.S. foreign policy towards China, and was repsonsible for the refusal to give diplomatic recognition to the PRC....but eventually Nixon, and the U.S. ruling class, decided it was time to reverse that policy and bring the PRC into the fold as an allly against the USSR and Vietnam. When that time came, the seeming power of the "Taiwan lobby" proved to be wholly illusion.

The tail does not wag the dog. The patron does not serve the client.

I notice my earlier post has been almost completely evaded by the Jew-scapegoaters...how 'bout it, do you have any actual facts, from some reliable source, on the percentage of Jews in the U.S. capitlaist class?

Reuben
24th April 2004, 20:36
Originally posted by [email protected] 24 2004, 08:04 PM

I remember you saying that before, what exactly do you mean by it? I'm sure I asked you before, but I don't recall the answer.

It’s mainly weak and tribal, and business oriented, which has allowed more cultural control.


Right, now how about you give some proof that jews control the world. Or at least adress my points.

There are significant amounts of Jews in media who are pro-Israel, Israel is a controller of US policy to an extreme amount.

It is plain to anyone that the Right-wing Jewish population has a higher control than anyone else, at least in the Middle East in relation to the US.

This is not racist. The same thing is happening in India right now with the right-wing Hindu government, though it is less than Israel for obvious reasons.

Prominent Jewish businessmen lobby all the time (as reported by Z Magazine frequently) for wars against anti-Israel nations (Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Iran, etc etc). And they get what they want because of the large Christian American Population.
mr craig u have made the mistake of treating jewish culture as a single homogeneous entity - an unnuanced and un marxist approach.

There have always been different strands in jewish culture. If you lo at yiddish lierature poetry music there s a great wealth of social revolutionry cultur. There is of course working class jewish culture and there is the culture of course the culture of the jewish bourgoirsie, moreover there is secular jewish culture (ews there has always been a dsitinct culture amongst jews aside from the religion) and there is religious culture.

Would you describe the culture of the workmen's circle as business oriented.

I am seriously disturbed by certain degenerate-anti imperialists on this board attempting to attibute legiimacy to the jewish conspiracy theory.

Holding up the example of a 'bad jew' a agc4 does and using it to discuss negatively jews in general should not be tolerated on this board.

Regarding ejewish electoral power the jewish poulation in us ais about 2 %.