Should the world negotiate with Osama bin Laden?

[Lacrimi de Chiciură]

He has killed 1,000's of people but I think that Europe should just take it's soldiers out of Iraq like Spain, Honduras, ect. are doing. Osama is not their problem and Bush is an idiot because he's trying to provoke Al Qaeda.

[Cobber]

Dialogue...what an interesting concept! I don't think we should negotiate anything, however I believe having an open dialogue may help see both sides of the story and may see a solution, after all it may be one way of getting him into the open (as two and half years in Afghanistan have failed to find him).

Ultimately I don't think Osama bin Laden has that much power where he can promise that there will be no more attacks on Europe if they w/draw their troops from Iraq. There are to many other groups that are still capable of mayhem and destruction.

[no_parsaran]

Originally posted by [email protected] 21 2004, 11:04 PM
Ultimately I don't think Osama bin Laden has that much power where he can promise that there will be no more attacks on Europe if they w/draw their troops from Iraq.
just the opposite. i think if osama calls for peace, all the militant groups will turn their backs on him and call him a traitor; sucked into capitalism. i think there would be a far greater number of attacks on western countries if he tries to negotiate.

[mysticofthewest]

i agree i belive osama is mearly a figure head while it is his organization i dont think he controls it to much any more kinda like hitler and the SA

[BuyOurEverything]

Europe should pull out of Iraq, not as part of a deal with Bin Laden, but because they should not support the imperialist occupation of it. And hey, if they don't get attacked, all the better.

[Intifada]

if the west can negotiate with a terrorist like sharon, they shouldn't hesitate in negotiating with bin laden.

[toastedmonkey]

i agree with ihatebush and buyoureverything

they've had peace talks with sharon and the IRA yet they "cant negoiate with terrorists" this time? crazy

Also splinters groups would be likely if peace is reached, but perhaps Bin Laden will have information on those that he is willing to share???

its all speculation

[cubist]

this is the situation that every politician never wishes to face


to give into terror and negotiate with terrorists to benifit terorist to ensure the safety of civillians, will at the same time put them indanger,

i will explain, by negotiating you are showing that terroism works and is a plausable option inoreder to reach the desired goal be it freedom from the UK or an attack against ttrade embargos, giving in shows it works.

how ever not giving in does exactly the same it encourages terrorist to try harder to better the last attempt to try and scare them each time.

the only way to resolve terrorism is to stop injustice in the world and as stated in theory, the only way to do that is to have global communism, how ever that is a long way off.

i wouldn't negotiate with terrorists myself i would act as america has with out carpet bombing and killing civilians, i would raid the country until i found the culprits by raid i mean send in the SAS to do covert ops until they find answers if that takes ten years that takes ten years more dead civillians is not the resolution either

[abigratsass]

i also agree with i hate bush!
the thing is that i dont think osama bin laden is as influential as he used to be
so talking to him wouldnt solve the actual problem of possible attacks on civilians or anything !
but maybe attacks will seize from el quada it self,but theres other groups rising everyday as a result of US policies , so rather than spending time finding him and actually getting to an agremeant which would be REALLY HARD! can't they possible do the smart thing and take a diffrent approach to the middel east!
not that they ever did !!!!!!!!!!!!

[Severian]

I don't think there's any need for negotiations.

I do think that all the imperialist countries, including those in Europe, should pull all their troops out of the Muslim countries, including Iraq and Afghanistan. And they should stop supporting the Israeli apartheid state, and otherwise intervening in the region. Of course, that's what I already thought before al-Qaeda demanded those things, simply because I'm opposed to imperialism.

Any country that does those things wouldn't have any need to negotiate with al-Qaeda....at least bin Laden's stated position is they won't attack any country that does those things. "The truce will begin when their last soldier leaves our country" as the latest statement puts it.

As I understand it, al-Qaeda was not offering negotiations anyway, and doesn't really have any way to hold them, since it's in hiding. Al-Qaeda's more of an idea than an organization at this point.

[abigratsass]

the thing i dont get ,does he intend to keep up the attacks on muslim countries such as saudi or even egypt ,cause according to him there just as bad as western countries such as the states(i think there worse).
so if american troops based in the gulf actually left ...would he still attack muslim nations....cause that would actually give the americans and other imperalists the chance to intervein in the middel east and it will also give arabic goverments a chance to further oppress their nations!!!!

[acg4_9]

negotiating is always an option but how? in the first team we have an ignorant fool who wants to bring back the roman empire never minding the cost and on the other hand we have a leader of thousand of fighters loved by million of extremist who hasn't anything to lose he is a person that believs that death is better than life he threw away his fortune ( about 5 Billion dollars ) for achieving his dream. bush is using the name of al-qaida to terror people and tie up there freedom and al-qaida uses the imperialic policies of bush and the capatalists to gather more and more supporters so there is benifit for both parties from this global underground war. the question is where are we as communists from this war. since 1990s we are just viewers, everything is moving exept us. we must show ourself to everybody that we are the solution not in talking but in working how?.... i think everybody knows the way deep inside.
have faith.

viva la resistance,
viva iraq, viva palestine.

[Non-Sectarian Bastard!]

It's comperable with the next simple situation;

Two guys who are fighting and they refuse to talk to each other. The fight will continue endlessly, unless one of them dies. All they have to do to stop the madness, is simply talking to each other.

The situation in real life does have a number of differences.

First of; the decisionmakers, leaders are not those who get the punches, get killed, are brutalized, endure the loss of friends and family or notice the effects of sanctions. So it's easy for them to be "brave" and refuse to negotiate with terrorists. Even tough, negotiating is the best way out.

It's for us proles, not in our interrest to support Imperialist wars. And endure the beatings of the victims of those Imperialist wars. Instead of silencing ourself, we should unite and organise with "the other side".

Second of all: There is no matter of Justice behind this whole terrorist thing. It's an extremely efficient way for the US government and companies to clean up their enemies and make hugh profits. The elite gains power and money from this all, we gain all the negativities, on social, economic and political area. We loose friends, families in wars and prisons, taxmoney on defense-expendings and power through laws as the Patriotic Act.

-And ask yourself, do you really think that people will give up terrorism if you don't negotiate and tensify your war?
-Does it bring socialism nearer to us, when half the proles ignore and hate each other. Thanks to supporting this policy.
-Will supporting Bush, Sharon, Arafat, Blair etc and their policies bring us (all proles) all closer together.

[Severian]

Originally posted by [email protected] 23 2004, 11:57 AM
the thing i dont get ,does he intend to keep up the attacks on muslim countries such as saudi or even egypt ,cause according to him there just as bad as western countries such as the states(i think there worse).
so if american troops based in the gulf actually left ...would he still attack muslim nations....cause that would actually give the americans and other imperalists the chance to intervein in the middel east and it will also give arabic goverments a chance to further oppress their nations!!!!
I don't doubt he would. I don't think al-Qaeda has any strategy which would have any chance of overthrowing any of those governments, though.......

[LoBBy]

france and germany got an peace treaty from bin laden... they disagreed to it...

i didn`t understand it - why? well, because my opinion is nearly similar to "ihatebush's" and bin laden and his regime "just" had a problem with imperialistic thoughts... i do, too!

[socialistfuture]

Noam Chomsky cut straight to the point when he said if America wants to stop terrorism it should stop participating in it. Osama said he wants Western forces to stop interfering with the Middle East, what is wrong with that demand?

Did the Crusades not teach christian fundamentalists that they can never own or control the middle east? Bush used the phrase Crusade early on and then dropped it for obvious reasons. The fact is The US and coalition forces in Iraq are an invading force, there can never be peace at the end of a sword.

Afghanistan has not been fixed. Imperialist forces have fucked with the arab people time after time, the question is not wether ''we'' should negotiate with ''terrorists'' and ''Osama'' but wether any of the leaders represent the people they claim to. The biggest threat to the western world is not foreign ''freedom hating'' terrorists but the western imperialist goverments and all powerfull multinational corporations. All that the ''war on terror'' is doing is creating fear and extending the police state. Invading forces will not be welcomed as liberating heroes if they replace whatever tyrants they remove.

In the end Osama is not going to bring peace to the world or destroy America, but his voice has the right to be heard. I do not think of him as a hero, but he does have some valid points, as to the question - should the world negotiate with Osama? any talks would hopefully be benefical. Who knows maybe the US was in with him the whole time and still is. One thing is for sure the capitalist empire has no right to hold the world hostage.

[DaCuBaN]

I'm telling y'all get the Randy Newman on the player. He got it all right


No one likes us-I don't know why
We may not be perfect, but heaven knows we try
But all around, even our old friends put us down
Let's drop the big one and see what happens

We give them money-but are they grateful?
No, they're spiteful and they're hateful
They don't respect us-so let's surprise them
We'll drop the big one and pulverize them

Asia's crowded and Europe's too old
Africa is far too hot
And Canada's too cold
And South America stole our name
Let's drop the big one
There'll be no one left to blame us

We'll save Australia
Don't wanna hurt no kangaroo
We'll build an All American amusement park there
They got surfin', too

Boom goes London and boom Paree
More room for you and more room for me
And every city the whole world round
Will just be another American town
Oh, how peaceful it will be
We'll set everybody free
You'll wear a Japanese kimono
And there'll be Italian shoes for me

They all hate us anyhow
So let's drop the big one now
Let's drop the big one now

[Lacrimi de Chiciură]

I agree with what you say, socialistfuture