Rasputin- Fact or Fiction

[Wiesty]

Ive done some past research on the infamous Rasputin from Russia. And i wana know your theory. Do u think it is real that they actually beat him shot him poisioned him and drowned him and he still had his hands in that christian symbol or whatever u call it (refresh me) or do u think non of that ever happened and it is just folklore??

[Comrade BNS]

There is alot of evidence 'Rasputin' did exist, there's plenty of pictures of a man fitting his description that became very close to the Tsar's family, and this man reportedly possessed 'supernatural' healing and soothing powers just like the fabled Rasputin, but i guess no one knows for certain.

Comrade BNS

[Wiesty]

Well i know hes real, It wasnt that along ago he died, And there is eye wittnesess still probably and evidence. But i wana know is if he actually servived that final beating he took, Like the poisiniong, Beating, Shooting and drowning and when they got his body from the ice he had his hands in the motion thingy

[fernando]

The poison didnt work, because the cake (or were it cookies) where cooked in a oven (or something like that), that has neutralised the poison.

He was shot, but he has probably been drinking a lot too, making the blood pump faster, so maybe he could move on for a bit longer.

[Wiesty]

ya good thinking ;)

[dopediana]

i like to think that he was fact.

Grigory Rasputin was born in 1869 in Siberia, arrived in St. Petersburg in 1911 and within a few years had become one of the most influential men in government circles. His ability to remain in such a high position despite widely publicized bouts of drinking and womanizing is no doubt the source of tremendous envy among political figures around the world today.

Rasputin's rise to preeminence was due to his close relationship with Nicholas II's wife, Alexandra. The heir to the throne, Alexis, suffered from hemophaelia, and only Rasputin could do what the top medical professors could not: he could stop the boy's bleeding. Because of this, Alexandra believed he was a holy man sent to protect Alexis and she kept him close by at all times, despite the fact that he rarely bathed.

Grigory Rasputin is as famous for his death as he is for his life. At the end of 1916, a group of aristocrats in cahoots with the Grand Duke Dmitri Pavlovich (a cousin of Nicholas II) decided that Rasputin's influence had grown too great and that he had to be killed in order to save Russia. They lured him to the Yusupovsky Palace on the pretext that Prince Felix Yusupovsky would introduce Grigory Rasputin to his beautiful wife.

Rasputin was led to the cellar and fed poisoned cakes and wine, but these did affect him. Yusupovsky then shot the monk at point blank range and Rasputin collapsed on the floor. When Yusupov went to tell his fellow conspirators the good news, they sent him back to make sure he had done the job. On returning to inspect the body, Grigory Rasputin suddenly regained consciousness and started to throttle poor Yusupov, who needless to say was completely scared out of his wits. The Prince fled the cellar, screaming for help; when they returned Rasputin was gone. They found him in the yard crawling towards the gate andproceeded to shoot and bludgeon him. They then bound him and tossed him into the river. When Rasputin's body was found, his bonds were broken and his lungs were filled with water, showing that he didn't actually die until he was submerged in the frozen waters.

Before his death, Grigory Rasputin wrote a letter to Tsarina Alexandra:

"I write and leave behind me this letter at St. Petersburg. I feel that I shall leave life before January 1st. I wish to make known to the Russian people, to Papa, to the Russian Mother and to the children, to the land of Russia, what they must understand. If I am killed by common assassins, and especially by my brothers the Russian peasants, you, Tsar of Russia, have nothing to fear, remain on your throne and govern, and you, Russian Tsar, will have nothing to fear for your children, they will reign for hundreds of years in Russia. But if I am murdered by boyars, nobles, and if they shed my blood, their hands will remain soiled with my blood, for twenty-five years they will not wash their hands from my blood. They will leave Russia. Brothers will kill brothers, and they will kill each other and hate each other, and for twenty-five years there will be no noblers in the country. Tsar of the land of Russia, if you hear the sound of the bell which will tell you that Grigory has been killed, you must know this: if it was your relations who have wrought my death then no one of your family, that is to say, none of your children or relations will remain alive for more than two years. They will be killed by the Russian people...I shall be killed. I am no longer among the living. Pray, pray, be strong, think of your blessed family."

23 days later, Rasputin was killed, by two relatives of the Tsar Nicholas II

[BOZG]

Seeing as it is unlikely that a portmostem was taken on Rasputin's body, nothing really can be proven about the man. There are explanations to some of the aspects of his death though. It's claimed that because of his paranoia about being killed, he would take actually eat small portions of poison, not enough to kill him so that his body would become somewhat immune. Fernando's theory could also be correct.

When Rasputin was shot in the cellar, Yusopovsky could very well have missed any major points on the head and Rasputin may have received only a flesh wound.

[Misodoctakleidist]

Apparently when his body was taken out of the river, there was water in his lungs which would suggest that he was still breathing when he was thrown in.

[Wiesty]

Well we mostly know that rasputin was a real person, he was actually accounted for as a real person not to long ago and it isnt a myth, there was a real rasputin who sparked problems in russia its AND FOR THE LAST TIME did he take that beating and survive to the end?

[mysticofthewest]

if you look at the facts they suggest that he did

[Xvall]

I think I don't really give a f**k.

[Essential Insignificance]

Definitely one of the more ''obscure'' characters of the 20th century…an exceptionally interesting fellow.


sparked problems

What problems were they exactly. He was one man who could have ''obverted'' WW1…had his letter from Siberia reached the Tsar in time, warning him of the ''death'' and ''misery'' it would bring to ''Mother Russia''. I guess. although WW1 was inevitable.

It’s amazing that many of you are still speculating if Rasputin existed…of course he did.

Albeit…I have tenable contention like many others that the death(s) of Rusputin might be a build up myth…then again maybe not.

[M_Rawlins]

Last year I went to the cellar (in the Yusopov palace - if you're ever in St. Petersburg, check it out) where they gave him the poison. There was some theory that the amount of alcohol he consumed neutralized the effect of the poison, I dislike biology (I failed it) so I don't know how true this could be.

Picture of the creepy wax models in the cellar in the Yusopov palace:
http://www.pwc.k12.nf.ca/russia/rasputin.jpg

[Xvall]

Sweet Jesus. Rasputin looks like the guy from The Pianist.

[sh0cker]

Rasputin is a fact..

There are thousends evidencies what was he doing, and how..

[Wiesty]

When i say Sparked Problems it means becasue he was said to be a holy man but yet he was constantly drunk wondering the neighborhood, picking up prostitues he was like a menace to society

[Essential Insignificance]

Yes, but not on an large "scale"…nonetheless.

[Lefty]

Your face is a menace to society.



Are you just gonna sit there and take that?

And yes, I believe that he survived everything. Or maybe his bonds just broke themselves and his lungs...uh...sucked water into themselves?