CHE WAS COOL BUT HIS CURRENT FOLLOWERS ARE POSERS

[elhumano]

I just wanted to laugh at those who wear the shirts and slap the stickers and have no idea who Che was. Also I think its random that some really think that communism is the greatest thing ever and should be put into action everywhere. Especailly the really stupid POSER's who think that Iraq is great and that Cuba is the communistic utopian dream.

[Take the Power back]

I understand where you are coming from with the talk of t-shirts and stickers, but to some, Che doesn't represent just communism. He was man with goals and a strict ethic for work, and getting things done. He was a revolutionary, and can be seen as a symbol for revolution, and for working for the people. Most people don't know, but at least 4/5 people who buy a shirt with his face on it will probably find out more about a great man, the more they wear that shirt.

[elhumano]

I totally understand about his work ethic, and his fight for the people. I would look at his views in a somewhat admirable way, I dont even see his methods as wrong. I just disagree with those who want to change every country in his way. People fail to remember that he was trying to make it better for people who struggled to eat, survive and just live a somewhat fullfilling life. Che wasnt trying to blow up the United States. Im just saying if your going to buy a shirt learn about everything that the person was trying to do and his views, because some people dont see Che as a great person, and you should know why some people think he was a thug.

[Individual]

Anyone here that doesn't know what Che stood for?

:unsure:

Anyone?

Damn, I thought there were atleast a couple.

Humph, guess your barking up the wrong tree; Mr. Know-It-All.

:rolleyes:

[Y2A]

I take it that you have seen the stupidity of the Che sub-forum.

[(*]

So you do thing Che was "cool" yada yada yada, but you know what. Che also stood firmly against Yankee Imperialism. How does that fit into your pro-Iraq war stance? And how about your pro-US Military stance? (the ones who represent the imperialists)

[Y2A]

I don't understand how anyone can idolize a single person to that extent. If you are ever feeling down and need a good laugh, just take a look at that board.

[SittingBull47]

Originally posted by Take the Power [email protected] 19 2004, 03:00 AM
I understand where you are coming from with the talk of t-shirts and stickers, but to some, Che doesn't represent just communism. He was man with goals and a strict ethic for work, and getting things done. He was a revolutionary, and can be seen as a symbol for revolution, and for working for the people. Most people don't know, but at least 4/5 people who buy a shirt with his face on it will probably find out more about a great man, the more they wear that shirt.
exactly. Most of the people i know who own those che shirts have a genuince interest in the man and leftist politics in general. Of course there are idiots who have $18 to blow, so they go to Hot Topic and buy the Che shirts, along with bands they never heard of.

[cubist]

lmao, i got a che shirt for 1/2 amillion turkish lire approx (£2-.00 2.50) whilst i was in turkey a few years back, the way it should be!!! :ph34r:

[DaCuBaN]

I just wanted to laugh at those who wear the shirts and slap the stickers and have no idea who Che was. Also I think its random that some really think that communism is the greatest thing ever and should be put into action everywhere. Especailly the really stupid POSER's who think that Iraq is great and that Cuba is the communistic utopian dream.

Firstly, try pressing alt-130. Might find that useful in the future when you refer to Ernesto Rafael Guevara de la Serna by his nickname.

I'm loathe to respond to this in all honesty... it's not a well thought out post, it makes no useful points, and I can't see where it's going. However...

I can understand your argument against 'posers' but that in itself isn't an ideal that couldn't be upheld in a post-revolution socialist society - this is another one of these 'Children of our environment' catchments. Giving a damn about the way you look seems to be a trait in humans - I've spent years fighting it in myself and considering I look like shit, I think I'm doing not too bad. :P

I don't own a single 'branded' piece of clothing - be that brand political, ideological, musical or simply corporate. To many though their 'image' is a representation of the person inside, of their views and is a statement to the world. I don't like this in-your-face attitude - to me a non-conformist uniform is a uniform nonetheless, and wearing Ché on your chest (to me) is just another way of conforming. I seriously don't think posing comes into it anywhere - posing would be driving down the road in your Lexus, Lotus, Ferrari or whatever the hell you think is a 'cool' car.

As you can tell, I'm somewhat stuck as to my political alignment :unsure:

The only exception here is adolescents - they deserve excused as the brain has not yet fully developed (I know you don't believe me, but time will tell!)


I just disagree with those who want to change every country in his way. People fail to remember that he was trying to make it better for people who struggled to eat, survive and just live a somewhat fullfilling life. Che wasnt trying to blow up the United States

Those people who want to change every country in this way do so because many feel it is unfair that as a result of the actions of western countries many developing (and otherwise) nations have appaling conditions for us proles. They simply want to address the balance, and are so disheartened with modern politics that they see no other way than to follow the militaristic ideals of the guerrilla movement.

I'm sure He wouldn't have complained had someone popped Johnson, or if one of the states had decided to break out of the Union and begin the fragmentation of the Last Empire - but he was a socialist, and hence cared about liberation and not [/B]conquest[B]

[commie kg]

I don't think you understand the depth of the hatred I have for any of you complete fucktards who even use the word "poser". Get a life.

[LuZhiming]

Seriously, Che Guevara is the most overated "revolutionary" in history. Idolizing him is idolizing a failure. His image is the only thing keeping him 'alive.' How is Che Guevara's great bravery much different than brave Nazis or brave U.S. soldiers? What has he actually done to deserve such recognition? The answer is nothing, it is simply the image of the "passionate Revolutionary" that everyone must worship and idolize. He could massacre a whole village and people would cheer. Fuck Che Guevara, fuck the man who attempted to launch revolutions the people didn't even support. Fuck his hypocrisy in "opposing Imperialism" while praising Stalin and saying nothing about his and other Soviet leaders' brutal actions in Europe, but never forgetting to condemn the Capitlalist reforms, which were much more important than the lives of people who suffered from Soviet interventions. It had to be said, I don't care if I become a "restricted member." Che Guevara = Hypocrite, failure, murderer, and irrational idiot.

[Misodoctakleidist]

Originally posted by [email protected] 19 2004, 02:55 AM
I just wanted to laugh at those who wear the shirts and slap the stickers and have no idea who Che was.
All those people who have no idea who che was but are on a web-site about him?

[Intifada]

who's che?

:huh:

[toastedmonkey]

you say people are posers, yet you think he was "cool"

id have far more respect for you if you had so "inspiring", "significant" or even "not bad"

cool is how a poser would describe him!

and who exactly is this thread aimed at?

[Raisa]

Originally posted by [email protected] 19 2004, 01:12 PM
Of course there are idiots who have $18 to blow, so they go to Hot Topic and buy the Che shirts, along with bands they never heard of.
That hurts me to see that.
The Che shirts usually cost like 18 dollars. Alot of the people that Che Guevara fought for, cant even wear his shirt.

Myself, I do not have 18 dollars for a shirt. Most of my clothes dont even cost that much, and that is just a cotton T shirt with a print.
I was particularly displeased to see a shirt with the face of a people's man being sold over priced. I bet you the people who were involved in porducing it cant even afford the shirt either. I decided to look at a picture and paint my own.

[Y2A]

Ha! You tools are fighting over who is not a "poser" Che fan. It's so incredibly retarded! I think that all of you need to get Ch...............

*Remembers Cankickit's warning*

Never mind.

[Raisa]

Originally posted by [email protected] 19 2004, 03:35 PM
What has he actually done to deserve such recognition?
I do not idolize Ché Guevara, because I dont really feel comfortable idolizing. I dont like feeling idolized myself.
I dont get all up in his buisness. I dont name my dogs after his sisters or any of that fanatism that sometimes occurs. But i think your question is a good example of why people have an affinity for ché guevara even if they are not communist.

"what has he done to deserve such recognition?"

He was just a man who fought to change the world. Like most regular people. He was not an icon of decadence or any thing, and even though he lives on in art today, the art he lives in is even prolitarian. Not extravagant paintings or anything of that type, like Lenin or Mao, but a simple print image of shadows to remind us that it was only a man.
Alot of people like Ché because he simply resembles one of us.

[elhumano]

I respect Che for having the balls to do what he did. Now when I say posers im talking about the kids who picked up the Che shirt at Journeys and walk around not knowing who the guy was. I guess im the only person who has come around some wannabe hip hopper wearing the shirt and thinking that Che was a guy like Tony Montana. And your so right there arnt any posers in this forum. If you feel so strongly and agree with the man....maybe you should start doing something about it. I want to see one of you guys really try to start a revolution in our country. Especailly the ones who I didnt get to respond to in my other topic about wishing that all americans should be killed by Iraqi forces. Start an uprising POSERS!

[elhumano]

Originally posted by commie [email protected] 19 2004, 03:19 PM
I don't think you understand the depth of the hatred I have for any of you complete fucktards who even use the word "poser". Get a life.
Personally I generally call the FAGS, or GAY AS SHIT, not in the homo sense but in that they are less then a man. But you cant say FAGS, or GAY AS SHIT IN THIS FORUM. But sense I have already said this....fuck these fags/posers/gay as shit people. Also just a funny side not i saw some homo kid wearing a pink Che shirt....what a revolution that would be eh?

[Raisa]

Originally posted by [email protected] 20 2004, 12:21 AM
I want to see one of you guys really try to start a revolution in our country. Especailly the ones who I didnt get to respond to in my other topic about wishing that all americans should be killed by Iraqi forces. Start an uprising POSERS!
We cant "start" the revolution. What do you think this is?
We cant start something the people are not even prepared for yet.
Some of us really do care about the wrest of the people in the world and are not trying to use them to simply proove something for people who think like you.

You do not "start" a revolution. You prepare for it.

[MiDnIgHtMaRaUdEr]

elhumano: The people wearing Che shirts are not the people we should be worried about. At very least, they sympathize with the movement, which is more then can be said for 99% of people out there. I think the people we should truely be concerned about that are the posers who try to attack the people who aren't actively fighting (which would be everyone here) in order to appear more "hardcore", and attack the people who people that don't fit into their image of "hardcoreness". It is the people who compromise the movement by steering away people from the movement based on their sexual orientation or fashion sence that I would view as "less then human". I would be concerned over what kind of revolution there would be if meatheads like you worried more about attacking people based on their fashion sence then about liberating the working class.

[dark fairy]

oh man this shit is funny you should come to my school you'd shit your pants of laughter ... goddamn i do almost everyday... but oh well all i can do is laugh and hope that is doesn't effect the out come of the rebellion whenever that starts... wait ignore what i just said but really it's quite funny :lol:

[mysticofthewest]

The united states is not ready for a revloution yet and if one was set into motion now it would be doomed to fail but we can prepare for a day when this cappie bastion can be stormed now a place like venzualla is ripe for revloution but they have no opposision leader to gather around
they have an asshole president who claims to be a communist and is giving the true communist a bad name I would leave this country behind in a second to start a movement down there

[DaCuBaN]

Originally posted by [email protected] 20 2004, 01:23 AM
The people wearing Che shirts are not the people we should be worried about. At very least, they sympathize with the movement...I think the people we should truely be concerned about that are the posers who try to attack the people who aren't actively fighting...in order to appear more "hardcore". It is the people who compromise the movement by steering away people from the movement based on their sexual orientation or fashion sence that I would view as "less then human".
not less than human.... I've never liked that term.... you can be less than human by losing an arm, or having a lobotomy

Just arrogant posers who won't give the naive the time of day and hence hurt the cause more than all the cappies in the world by excluding those who show an internest. If you see someone walking down the street wearing a Ché shirt, you should try and engage them, try to get them taking a REAL interest rather than just taking the whole thing in vain.

[Eastside Revolt]

Originally posted by [email protected] 20 2004, 01:23 AM
elhumano: The people wearing Che shirts are not the people we should be worried about. At very least, they sympathize with the movement, which is more then can be said for 99% of people out there. I think the people we should truely be concerned about that are the posers who try to attack the people who aren't actively fighting (which would be everyone here) in order to appear more "hardcore", and attack the people who people that don't fit into their image of "hardcoreness". It is the people who compromise the movement by steering away people from the movement based on their sexual orientation or fashion sence that I would view as "less then human". I would be concerned over what kind of revolution there would be if meatheads like you worried more about attacking people based on their fashion sence then about liberating the working class.
Man you got nothin'.

It has nothing to do with hardcoreness, it has all to do respect for the individual. You show no respect for the members of the opposite sex.

Besides what do you know about the political action of other members on this board? Do you think it would be a good idea to go chatting-bout on the internet about the AK's they have stashed?( :lol: I know yeah right, but you get my drift)

[Y2A]

I wonder if the people that post on these boards realize the tards they are?

[DaCuBaN]

that's not on man. You like it if I insulted you? there's never any need to go down that line - thats MISINFORMATION tactics

I&#39;ll find those damn rules of misinformation eventually... can&#39;t believe i lost the link <_< :(

[elhumano]

finally a good conversation and topic on this forum. You guys make very good points. Im just giving everyone the other side. It&#39;ll just make your preperation much stronger. You guys should have a link on How not to be a Poser. Che Hardcore lives&#33;

[dopediana]

oh PLEASE. at least learn to spell "poseur" correctly. you sound like one of those 14 y/os who thinks he&#39;s a punk rocker and wants to prove to everyone else that he&#39;s more hardcore than they are. most of us are really over the che poseurs. at least i am.

[Y2A]

So who are the "posers" and "non-posers"? Does it have anything to do with the amount of time you wear your Che shirt daily?

[elhumano]

Originally posted by [email protected] 20 2004, 03:19 PM
oh PLEASE. at least learn to spell "poseur" correctly. you sound like one of those 14 y/os who thinks he&#39;s a punk rocker and wants to prove to everyone else that he&#39;s more hardcore than they are. most of us are really over the che poseurs. at least i am.
Your so right. Im a 14 y/old into punk rock. Punks dead, and so is any hope of your lil communistic dream. Get over it guys the West has one. Soon those lil countries will be taken over by the US. Now when I say poser, or posuer/fag/ or whatever in regards to the whole Che shirt issue i mean those hip hop kids like the black kid i spoke to today and asked if he knew who the guy on his shirt was. He said ye ye it be that G who liberated Cuba. I want to also take the time to post a poll and maybe a lil bit of an experiment for you guys. Go question someone who&#39;s country was affected by Che....like perhaps a Cuban kid and ask how he feels about Che. And when he is done responding tell him Che rules. Now for those of you who have the vast honor of living in South Florida wear a Che shirt in the middle of littile Havanah... Go to Hialieah and well see if you are still wearing that Che shirt....go to lil back alley in Miami and see if your walking if not alive at all.

[toastedmonkey]

thats a silly point really

there are extreme feelings in different parts of the world, Miami is one place that holds extreme anti-che feelings

go to iraq or most places in the middle east with a pro-american t-shirt you&#39;ll get lynched

[Y2A]

Originally posted by elhumano+Apr 20 2004, 08:40 PM--> (elhumano @ Apr 20 2004, 08:40 PM)
[email protected] 20 2004, 03:19 PM
oh PLEASE. at least learn to spell "poseur" correctly. you sound like one of those 14 y/os who thinks he&#39;s a punk rocker and wants to prove to everyone else that he&#39;s more hardcore than they are. most of us are really over the che poseurs. at least i am.
Your so right. Im a 14 y/old into punk rock. Punks dead, and so is any hope of your lil communistic dream. Get over it guys the West has one. Soon those lil countries will be taken over by the US. Now when I say poser, or posuer/fag/ or whatever in regards to the whole Che shirt issue i mean those hip hop kids like the black kid i spoke to today and asked if he knew who the guy on his shirt was. He said ye ye it be that G who liberated Cuba. I want to also take the time to post a poll and maybe a lil bit of an experiment for you guys. Go question someone who&#39;s country was affected by Che....like perhaps a Cuban kid and ask how he feels about Che. And when he is done responding tell him Che rules. Now for those of you who have the vast honor of living in South Florida wear a Che shirt in the middle of littile Havanah... Go to Hialieah and well see if you are still wearing that Che shirt....go to lil back alley in Miami and see if your walking if not alive at all. [/b]
What the fuck are you saying? First you say that Che is "cool". Then you say that the "Che hardcore Rules&#33;". Now you are saying that Che is evil.

[apathy maybe]

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[Essential Insignificance]

I have never thought Che was &#39;&#39;cool&#39;&#39;...and something tells me he didn&#39;t either. :lol:

[NYC4Ever]

Im just asking but : Can anyone practice true communism at all now? Or are you guys just going to wait for the cappie nations to run their course? It seems that every leader that has come out of the woodwork is not practising true communism, thus giving the appearence that man is courrpted by power. Well, atleast thats the appearence in cappie nations. ;)

[Essential Insignificance]

Can anyone practice true communism at all now?

I dont get it.

[NYC4Ever]

Sorry I meant, can any leader revolt and promise true communism right now?

[elhumano]

no because communism doesnt work/ and never will

[God of Imperia]

Originally posted by [email protected] 21 2004, 04:50 PM
no because communism doesnt work/ and never will
How do you know that? Explain to me why you think communism will never work. And what do you want after a revolution if communism won&#39;t work?

[cubist]

elhuman


to awaken the masses into concsiousness and draw them from exploitation and entrapment in america the land of the free is not possible at this time, you are proof of this, your mindstate is 100% evidence taht revolution would fail. unreasonable hatred of something you don&#39;t understand

you believe that communism will fail on evidence provided by past history but communism has never been implemented its nearest attempt was cuba but that failed to make the evolution from socialist leadership to communism beit due to the strains of a socialist economic policy trying to survive in a capitalist global economy.

your hatred for communism is fear of losing your hard earned class stature, people have slaved there lives for wages to provided them with all they need and to ensure "happiness" and they don&#39;t want to give it up becuase they don&#39;t understand the true dimensions of teh epoch presented by communism they think thatequality at the sacrifice of class is a bad idea purely becuase they have worked so hard to get where they are, communism doesn&#39;t want people to have to work 70 hours to pay rent insurance bills heath insurance feed you clothe you its want to provide them in return for your input into the nation.

nowyou say it won&#39;t work, you have no trust in it due to illusions of failed communist attempts i remmber being told by one catholic, that he failed to see everyone rushing to cubas commmunist social paradise, i pointed out that i failed to see the word communist infront of or behind Cuba.. but misconception and indoctrination or the truth as you call it are a key reason revolution wouldn&#39;t work. It is our job as leftists to fix this and it is happening, i don&#39;t see che shirts around and think commie. i see people who like what che stood for and by wearing his shirt reminds people of an alternative to life at the moment but more importantly i see 100,000 people protesting the streets of london saying don&#39;t go to war. i see protests nationally in cities across the UK, i see new members on here every day, i meet people and talk with them and they sympthasie with the politics they are beggining to awaken due to WAR in iraq that is not working its not created peace it hasn&#39;t relieved oppression its merely changed the oppressor from sadam, to the US the UK sadr&#39;s army and any other person involved in the uncivil civil war that is beggining to unfold

lucid reffered to us as sideline politicians, but to walk socialism into america is like trying to pass the fullback when you have a broken leg. communism will take place on a global scale or never i acccept this i am aware that at present capitalism is too strong for a revolution of this scale but you will see. in the mmeantime i will continue working to improve the standards of oter peoples lives, i will continui signing lobby sheets for parliment on social issues i will continue telling people that capitalism and its wars have a different agenda to what bush and blair are saying.

" i believe the term go back to bed america your government in control" is apt for the issues we as leftists face

[NYC4Ever]

Well I think that Che tried to promote true communism, but he was killed by Castro in Bolivia. All of the revolutions had good intentions but ended up being totalitarian regimes. Now if you guys bash the US for its involvement in the Cold War, then also bash the USSR for doing the same with tainted communism.

[cubist]

i see

except
Originally posted by NYC4Ever
but he was killed by Castro in Bolivia.

lmao, funny taht out of all versions i have heard this one is the funniest, i thought the bolivian government caught him with help from a bit of CIA training

[RedAnarchist]

The conspiracy theories are all baseless. Castro had nothing to do with the death of Che. It would have been like Castro chopping off one of his arms.

The Bolvian Army and the CIA murdered him in cold blood.

[cubist]

castro ranks CHE too highly to be a coverup for him mirdering che

[NYC4Ever]

So you guys think that Castro had nothing to do with the death of Che or that he ratted Che out? Ok, I can believe that maybe he didn&#39;t but that still doesnt excuse the way Cuba is right now.

[cubist]

maybe but cuba isn&#39;t communist, cuba i fear has viered away from the EPOCH that che spoke of but that is capitalism in the rest of the world not Fidel, fidel cried apprantley when he said cubans were allowed to own the dollar.

[NYC4Ever]

Then what is true communism? It seems as though no nation has passed the test. I mean I know that no cappie nation has passed t he test at true compassionate capatalism but atleast it has a better track record than the commie nations of today. So as you say that revolution is inevitible in a capatalist country, then why oppose the US who can further speed the process? You should take down the EU which is slowing the road to true communism down.

[Raisa]

Originally posted by [email protected] 21 2004, 05:02 PM
Then what is true communism? It seems as though no nation has passed the test. I mean I know that no cappie nation has passed t he test at true compassionate capatalism but atleast it has a better track record than the commie nations of today.
That is some thing that I attribute to the strenght capitalism has aquired over its centuries on the human race.
Just becasue you have a revolution does not make it all go away. Youve torn down its institutions but not its power in peoples minds.That is a much more involved process.
For one,there has to be trust, and people need to see that they can trust each other or the effort for communism will yet again be ruined by capitalist backstabbing, and leaders who exploit people who can not trust them any way, and the whole dream will crumble on all of us.
Capitalism is a very strong idea, and people should recognize this, in order to recognize how strong we have to be when we dont want it around any more.

[NYC4Ever]

By all of the logic im reading from Marx, the US and free enterprise is not your true enemy. Socialism is your true enemy. Let the clock run down in america, but it gets halted by appeasing Politicians hurling concessions the masses eat up while they remain in power. I do not believe in government intervention with buisness at all. I believe in Libertarianism and the thought of teaching morals about willingly giving to others through charity and good will. But this is becoming much a dream to the new force of the EU and the perversion of real communist thought. When I first came in here I thought Commies were horribly immoral, but you guys are actually well meaning and truly kind in your efforts to better the world. If true communism were possible I would join your efforts but I know that the world is too strong and pulled into capatalistic greed (a myth by your standards). This is the downside to Capitalsim as much as all of the Stalinistic regimes that sprung up in the name of Communism are your downside. This just further proves to me that men are corrupt in their good intentions. I dont know just a thought.

[Xvall]

Oh man, elhumano. You have us there. I don&#39;t think we&#39;ll every be able to argue against your statement that we are posers. It&#39;s just so firm and strong of an argument.

[synthesis]

Originally posted by [email protected] 21 2004, 09:34 AM
So you guys think that Castro had nothing to do with the death of Che or that he ratted Che out? Ok, I can believe that maybe he didn&#39;t but that still doesnt excuse the way Cuba is right now.
Che was far more authoritarian than Fidel in pretty much every way, both politically and economically. I&#39;m not sure what you&#39;re trying to say here, man, but I think you might have the wrong idea of Che.

[Commie Girl]

Originally posted by DyerMaker+Apr 21 2004, 09:47 PM--> (DyerMaker @ Apr 21 2004, 09:47 PM)
[email protected] 21 2004, 09:34 AM
So you guys think that Castro had nothing to do with the death of Che or that he ratted Che out? Ok, I can believe that maybe he didn&#39;t but that still doesnt excuse the way Cuba is right now.
Che was far more authoritarian than Fidel in pretty much every way, both politically and economically. I&#39;m not sure what you&#39;re trying to say here, man, but I think you might have the wrong idea of Che. [/b]
<_< Che was killed by The Bolivian (and CIA trained) Army....and what do you mean by the way Cuba is now? A country that should be admired for its decency and respect of its citizens....that&#39;s the way it is now....

[Commie Girl]

NYC4ever...have you read Jon Lee Anderson&#39;s definitive book on Ernesto? It is fascinating&#33; That should give you a more well-rounded picture of Ernesto.

[Essential Insignificance]

Sorry I meant, can any leader revolt and promise true communism right now?

No.

[elhumano]

anyone here live in a communisitic country? ever have? can you give me a few examples of great communistic countries today? Are you a posuer?

[Essential Insignificance]

There has never, even remotely, been a communist society…although some "claimed" to be socialist.

I think they’re could be few Cubans here…or at least visitors of the country.

[elhumano]

I think i&#39;ve made my point then.

[NYC4Ever]

What you guys think is an advanced society with an advanced way of thinking is retreating back to the stone age before man had the intellect to strive ahead. You call that classist and greedy but I call that free will. You guys think that I dont feel for all of those in need and the poor. Well your wrong and making me think that all of my volunteer work with my church and the Community college to get inner city kids to attend college was and is for nothing. It is a choice. I live in Texas, a free state comapared to most in America. Now I mean economically free, not free to smoke weed, free to dance in the streets naked, like you what you guys call true freedom. I mean its a little easier to make money and affordable housing, and cost of living. My aunt came in from Chile with &#036;100 dollars in her pocket and now she owns her own ice cream business in short of a year and half. You know us hispanics and ice cream :lol: Well, is she just one that slipped throught the systems, cus she doesnt know a word of english (not that thats good), and doesnt have an America degree. She has a degree from La Unversidad Catolica de Chile in psychology and has yet to find a single job anywhere because of the new Democratic Socialist Ricardo Lagos. She even openly admits that Chile was better off with Pinochet as much as she hated that man. Now she works straight out of hear own earnings and doesnt pay any taxes at all, (beause her visa expired and shes illegal now, dont tell anybody :) ) and flourished, rather than me who has to pay taxes for shitty ptojects and medical aid that in the end doesnt help. My aunt came in as a socialist and came out a full blown cappie, more so than me. I believe that yes you should give people welfare and medical aid, Im not heartless, but give them time to find a job to continue thier welfare if not than cut it. I mean its these small socialist appeasements that create less jobs and more porverty in the first place.

[MiDnIgHtMaRaUdEr]

Originally posted by [email protected] 24 2004, 09:37 PM
anyone here live in a communisitic country? ever have? can you give me a few examples of great communistic countries today? Are you a posuer?
I can name a great communistic country. CUBA&#33; Viva Fidel&#33; :cuba: :castro:

[Touchstone]

QUOTE (elhumano @ Apr 24 2004, 09:37 PM)
anyone here live in a communisitic country? ever have? can you give me a few examples of great communistic countries today? Are you a posuer?
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Yes, I have visted Cuba. Whats your point? If you display your ideals on clothing, you are publically advertising what people would have to ask otherwise. To be a poser, one would have to not believe in the ideals one represented

[pandora]

What the hell is the person that posted this thinking :P Fucking idiotic.
First off their are people posting here, hopefully not dogs or goldfish, but welcome if there are, from all cultures and classes. There are as many viewpoints as there are people, perhaps more ;)

What the fuck are you thinking calling everyone in the world a poser, freaking stupid. It amounts to about as much as an FTW tattoo and a pompous pose sticking out one&#39;s lower lip in a pout, why not go Hollywood and inject it with styrofoam.

Try asking more dignified and directed questions and perhaps you will recognize the wide response.

In the old days of punk rock we used to make anyone we suspected of being a poser spend the night in Tompskins Square park in NYC on a bench with the rats and steal their boots, before sending them back to mommie and daddy.

The idea was one had to suffer the indignities of the proleteriat before voicing an opinion in that forum, interestingly, the longest to hold out, I believe he lived there in the park for several years was the leader of the Western branch of the Krishna faith and that location is still given food on a daily basis in recognition.

It just goes to show that practice means more than speech but through one&#39;s speech comes the clues to one&#39;s practice, and that Revolutionary Social Thought Can Come from any direction, we should not judge the container for the brillance underneath.

[elhumano]

yeah Cuba is so great you fucking idiot. Knowing cubans, and being partially Cuban Mr. Midnighfagmuarader i would have a great time kicking your ass. you are a poseur/and a pussy. If it were possible to acctually find you you would never be found again. Viva my foot in your ass. <you all are a bunch of poseurs and fucking gay as shit pussies. I You can all choke on my anti communist cock. But i&#39;ll tell you one thing i hope you do get shipped off and placed in a communistic country one where they fuck your mother while you watch.

[elhumano]

What the fuck are you thinking calling everyone in the world a poser, freaking stupid. It amounts to about as much as an FTW tattoo and a pompous pose sticking out one&#39;s lower lip in a pout, why not go Hollywood and inject it with styrofoam........Note to all im not calling everyone in the world a poser just you fags...especailly the fag who wrote this.>>>> TO hell with all commies and queers all in one just the same< PUSSIES

[MiDnIgHtMaRaUdEr]

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[Raisa]

Originally posted by [email protected] 26 2004, 07:05 PM
But i&#39;ll tell you one thing i hope you do get shipped off and placed in a communistic country one where they fuck your mother while you watch.
...There are no communist countires right now. And saying "communistic" is just a way for you burgeois to get around that and make your empty points.

Rape has nothing to do with Communism&#33;

[Take the Power back]

At what point is he taken out back to be shot? I am to understand a shooting is in order, correct? :P

[elhumano]

No just rape. Thats what communism is it is rape of freedom. I wonder why there are no communist countries...could it be because when it comes down to it.....it sucks a fat gay dick?

[revolutionindia]

I think people adore che because he was good looking.

He fits into the good looking robin hood mould.

He represents what most people only dream of but never accomplish

He was a great man but too violent and emotional
His heart controlled him

Now in the last hundred years there are more than a 100 men
who have done greater and more meaningful things than che did.

But believe me they were not 1% as good lookiing as che

If che was ugly as george bush then he would not be so popular :D

[elhumano]

u guys are gay and so is the administrator of this forum. FAGs i hope that they set another secret police force and start executing all you fuckers.

[Raisa]

Originally posted by [email protected] 27 2004, 03:18 PM
No just rape. Thats what communism is it is rape of freedom. I wonder why there are no communist countries...could it be because when it comes down to it.....it sucks a fat gay dick?
Rape of freedom? Freedom is just another EMPTY THING TO SAY if you dont say what kind of freedom you are talking about.

And your conclusion about the fall of communism, is just the way capitalism is all the time.
Just becasue you have the revolution, doesnt mean capitalism is dead, it is stil alive in people&#39;s minds, and those people will try to get into your communist government with their "im doing them a FAVOR" kind of attitude that justifies their explotiation.
They have, and yes, when it all comes down, our face is buried in the lap of some fat man. Capitalism is a very strong system, and it is in this century that we are learning how saturated the world really IS in capitalism.
That is why I dont believe in following one man from the pasts ideal on what to do and such, they were never as aware of things as we are. Its a new day.
The world is new at independance from capitalism.