John Walker - traitor, fascist, fool? what is he?

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What do you guys think of John Walker? I don't think he's a traitor, since he never wanted to kill Americans, but he was part of the fascist Taliban, which definitelt puts him in a negative light. Also, how do you think a westerner (whom the Taliban hates) even got into such a group? My guess is it's just another piece of the rich tapestry of lies and conspiracy that have been draped over our eyes concerning the unethica "war"

[peaccenicked]

IS JOHN WALKER LINDH A MANUFACTURED VILLIAN?
For weeks now the US Government and Britain have tried and failed to successfully frame Osama Bin Laden for the attacks on the World Trade Towers sufficiently to allow Americans to feel totally comfortable about the bombing of innocent women and children in Afghanistan. Each new video and translation thereof has become an embarrassment as the foreign press points out that claims made in the American media, from Osama having nukes, to claims that he has confessed to the attacks on 9/11, do not withstand close scrutiny.

Bush and the rest of the energy barons, not happy with access to the $5 trillion in oil under the Caspian Sea that the conquest of Afghanistan, are now setting their sites on Somalia, which happens to sit atop one of the world's largest unexploited deposits of uranium (Apparently the USA does not bother making war on terrorists who live in worthless swamps).

But as the US military warms up another round of cluster bombs mixed with food packages that look just like the cluster bombs, more and more Americans are beginning to wonder if the bombs and guns are pointed the right way. After all, none of the accused hijackers on 9/11 were actually from afghanistan. Most were from Saudi Arabia. Coupled with some 60 members of an Israeli spy network who have been arrested since 9/11, the attempt by the Mossad to blow up the Mexican congress, and most recently the arrest of the chairman of the Jewish Defense League in a plot to bomb a US Congressman's office, people are starting to wonder if 9/11 was a repeat of previous instances where the US was tricked into launching attacks against targets who had not actually done anything wrong.



Bush keeps saying, "our cause is just", while posing conspicuously with the flag of Israel. But fewer and fewer people are listening.

Then, all of a sudden, an American Taliban fighter is captured. How convenient. He speaks English and thereby avoids the problems of habitually inaccurate translations. And even better, he is announcing to the world that designated bad guy al Qaeda is about to uncork another terrorist attack just when the Bush administration and the media most need one to shore up flagging public support for the bombing of innocent non-combatants whose only crime is that they live along proposed oil pipeline routes.

John Walker Lindh is, to put it bluntly, just too damn convenient to be true. The American war-party cannot transform Osama into the villain they need to justify a continued war into 50 other nations, and right on cue, John Walker Lindh shows, full of stories of death and destruction ready for the prime time network news.

Setting aside the fact that Osama himself is still denying any involvement in 9/11, one has to wonder just where Mr. Lindh gets his privileged information. Supposedly al Qaeda's lines of communication have been severed. Terrorist organizations are by nature compartmentalized to prevent leaks of information when individuals get captured, such is the case with Mr. Lindh. Unless he were a direct part of the planned terror attack, there would be no need for him to know about it.

Finally, as an American, Mr. Lindh would be viewed as a potential CIA infiltrator, yet another reason for him not to be included in critical inside information by the al Qaeda leadership, which knows better than most how treacherous the CIA can be, even to its purported friends and allies (like the Taliban).

In my opinion, John Walker Lindh is a complete phony, manufactured by the US Government out of purest USDA choice bovine-excrement as a propaganda tool to try to convince the American people that a war of conquest into 50 other nations for mineral resources is somehow justified.


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So glad to hear another voice saying that things are too damn convienient to be true- timing, the actions themselves, the videos that are being released, the military secrecy, the guarding of ground zero, Bush's actions, the members of the "coalition" not doing jack shit, the fact that no one has confessed, the videos themselves being so poorly translated and made, among many other things. Good to have you, comrade!!

[GuerillaTactics]

I do not ever remeber hearing mention of John Walker being a member of the American Military and going turn coat..........If I am not mistaken he went to fight for what he believed in.........I never heard in any article or news program of John Walker pledging his allegance to the United States........so how would that make him a traitor????????? Basically, from what I have read on the subject.....as soon as John Walker was old enough to go out on his own .....he left the united states.................................in my opinion ...Traitor? no.............victim of circumstance? yes

[CommieBastard]

i thought all kids in america had to make the pledge of allegiance?

[the end of history]

Yeah, it's not cool. In elementary school they made us say the pledge every day. looking back, it felt kinda fascist and wrong, but back then, i didnt know any better, plus Reagan was in office, so I guess it all adds up quite nicely. And John Walker being around the same age as me, im sure he was forced to do this as well. One can always change his mind about the U$, especially if one is forced to obey, or taught to obey at a young age. What Walker left America for is something worse than the U$ could ever hope to become, but at least he realized America just wasnt for him.

[GuerillaTactics]

In response to your remark........although a valid one.... In order for some one to make a Pledge of Allegance.....that individual would have to enter into a contract .......a verbal agreement to be precise......but still a valid contract ......... now there is another law in the united states which voids any contract made with a minor....... during his schooling he would have been a minor.........thus voiding this contract.......................................... .........I know my post is silly but it is intended to be........the same way that making a child stand up and pledge his Allegance to the United States is silly

[GuerillaTactics]

peacenicked..........excellent post........your explaination makes a whole hell of alot more sense than the one offered by the bush administration

[Valkyrie]

Didn't Walker originally go to Afghanistan to learn orthodox Islam? He probably doesn't considers himself a US citizen anayway. It appears to be not too rare for ex-patriates to fight on behalf of guerrilla forces. In one of the che biographies it mentions how the Cuban Revolution picked up three rebel North American's, ages 15-16 whose father's were stationed at the Guantanamo Base. They tagged along with Che and his guerrllas for some weeks. I think it also was done, though with some infrequency in the Vietnam war too.

(Edited by Paris at 3:48 am on Feb. 2, 2002)

[Omar Talib]

You're right Paris. There were indeed American youths (radical leftist college students) who left their campuses for Hanoi and joined the Communist Front for the Liberation of Vietnam. Those that were captured though, were almost exclusively shot on the spot once it was learned that they were Americans.

Extranational ideologies always attract followers from all around the world, whether that be Islam, Christianity, socialism, democracy, fascism (plenty of occupied peoples joined the Waffen-SS in WWII, including British and Americans). There was an East German youth that joined the mujahedin in Afghanistan because the Soviets had murdered his brother, and he wanted to exact some form of revenge.

[Kez]

ok, heres my great imput.
you know the footage showing walker on the back of the truck?
with that other guy next to him? just after being captured?

i swear i saw that other guy in planet of the apes

*bows head*

comrade kamo