Castro Documentary

[Y2A]

I just saw it. Quite good, but I thought it would be better.

[Osman Ghazi]

Yeah, I thought it would be better too. Castro made a lot of obvious dodges that i thought Stone should have gone into more depth about.

[Y2A]

Indeed. I don't understand how Castro doesn't trust sources like Amnesty International.

[elijahcraig]

I'm a member of AI.



It should've been longer!

[MiDnIgHtMaRaUdEr]

When/where can I see this?

[elijahcraig]

It came on HBO. I'm not sure when it comes on again.

[Fidel Castro]

The only documentary on Fidel I have seen was one called "Fidel", which was shown on discovery over here. I must say I found it surprisingly positive, in fact pretty much praising Fidel.

[Capitalist Imperial]

He needs to be terminated with extreme prejudice.

[Y2A]

CI, I actually feel that the Cuban Revolution was for the best of Cuba and that the U.S was wrong to side with the Batista government. Do you concur?

[Hampton]

I thought it was pretty decent, I hated the white lettering they used to translate what he was saying becuase you couldn't read it half the time. It was also pretty intresting that they let the prisoners talk and be asked questions with Castro in the room, it's something I'd like to see happen in America, have the Cuban 5 be interviewed with Bush listening and being able to make semi-intelligent comments.

[Capitalist Imperial]

Originally posted by [email protected] 15 2004, 07:14 PM
CI, I actually feel that the Cuban Revolution was for the best of Cuba and that the U.S was wrong to side with the Batista government. Do you concur?
No, Sir. I am sorry, but I could never concede that a revolution that empowered someone who allowed the Soviets to place nukes just tens of miles off of the US coastline is "a good thing".


Also, because before the Castro regime, Americans could hop to Cuba for some cigars, margaritas, and a tropical weekend in the Carribean. It was a great vacation spot. The sqaure miles of potential for this were talken away with the revolution

[Misodoctakleidist]

CI, if you were a cuban peasant can you honestly say you would feel the same?

[toastedmonkey]

its ok for the Yankees to have missiles pointing at russia all over the world but the other way round isnt?

[Y2A]

Originally posted by Capitalist Imperial+Apr 15 2004, 07:25 PM--> (Capitalist Imperial @ Apr 15 2004, 07:25 PM)
[email protected] 15 2004, 07:14 PM
CI, I actually feel that the Cuban Revolution was for the best of Cuba and that the U.S was wrong to side with the Batista government. Do you concur?
No, Sir. I am sorry, but I could never concede that a revolution that empowered someone who allowed the Soviets to place nukes just tens of miles off of the US coastline is "a good thing". [/b]
Oh c'mon. Be serious here CI, the Cuban reguime had no choice but to side with the Soviets in the Cold War due to the embarrgo. Originally they remained neutral and even Guevera for example critized the Soviet Union. I won't portray Castro and Che as a god-like hero like many of the posters here do, but I wouldn't say that what they did during the revolution was particularly wrong.

Also, during the interview Castro brought up a good point. Bush critized Castro for trading with Iran and in the interview Castro responded by saying he has no choice but to trade with nations like Iran due to the embarrgo. Castro has a point there.

[Y2A]

Originally posted by [email protected] 15 2004, 07:34 PM
its ok for the Yankees to have missiles pointing at russia all over the world but the other way round isnt?
Oh give me a break. It was a Cold war. What did you want us to do? Disarm all our weapons and hope that the Soviets would do the same? Be realistic.

[toastedmonkey]

Originally posted by Y2A+Apr 15 2004, 08:39 PM--> (Y2A @ Apr 15 2004, 08:39 PM)
[email protected] 15 2004, 07:34 PM
its ok for the Yankees to have missiles pointing at russia all over the world but the other way round isnt?
Oh give me a break. It was a Cold war. What did you want us to do? Disarm all our weapons and hope that the Soviets would do the same? Be realistic. [/b]
The russianss put those missiles there in retaliation to the yankees pointing missiles at russia, America acted first

[Misodoctakleidist]

Stalin proposed banning nuclear weapons before the cold war escalated but the US planned to bankrupt the soviet economy.

[Y2A]

Indeed, you are refering to the NATO forces in Turkey. And, what is your point? It was a Cold War. You act as if the USSR didn't do anything remotely like that to the West.

[Capitalist Imperial]

Originally posted by [email protected] 15 2004, 07:28 PM
CI, if you were a cuban peasant can you honestly say you would feel the same?
Maybe not, but I'm an American.

[toastedmonkey]

Originally posted by [email protected] 15 2004, 08:46 PM
Indeed, you are refering to the NATO forces in Turkey. And, what is your point? It was a Cold War. You act as if the USSR didn't do anything remotely like that to the West.
of course the ussr did things, but it was always in retaliation to acts carried out on or aimed at the USSR

[Capitalist Imperial]

Originally posted by Y2A+Apr 15 2004, 07:38 PM--> (Y2A @ Apr 15 2004, 07:38 PM)
Originally posted by Capitalist [email protected] 15 2004, 07:25 PM

[email protected] 15 2004, 07:14 PM
CI, I actually feel that the Cuban Revolution was for the best of Cuba and that the U.S was wrong to side with the Batista government. Do you concur?
No, Sir. I am sorry, but I could never concede that a revolution that empowered someone who allowed the Soviets to place nukes just tens of miles off of the US coastline is "a good thing".
Oh c'mon. Be serious here CI, the Cuban reguime had no choice but to side with the Soviets in the Cold War due to the embarrgo. Originally they remained neutral and even Guevera for example critized the Soviet Union. I won't portray Castro and Che as a god-like hero like many of the posters here do, but I wouldn't say that what they did during the revolution was particularly wrong.

Also, during the interview Castro brought up a good point. Bush critized Castro for trading with Iran and in the interview Castro responded by saying he has no choice but to trade with nations like Iran due to the embarrgo. Castro has a point there. [/b]
I agree that they had no choice, it was a chess game, the cold war, but ideologically I cannot concede that Castro is 100% good. He is a regime dictator.

I suppose Castro is so controversial because there is such a difference of opinion about him.

He has many supporters at home, but by the same token, we still have refugee rafts approaching the florida coast every single day.

[Y2A]

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA that's ludicrous. I can't believe you are actually a Soviet supporter.

[Capitalist Imperial]

Originally posted by toastedmonkey+Apr 15 2004, 07:50 PM--> (toastedmonkey @ Apr 15 2004, 07:50 PM)
[email protected] 15 2004, 08:46 PM
Indeed, you are refering to the NATO forces in Turkey. And, what is your point? It was a Cold War. You act as if the USSR didn't do anything remotely like that to the West.
of course the ussr did things, but it was always in retaliation to acts carried out on or aimed at the USSR [/b]
Oh, come on, toastedmonkey, are you suggesting that the US was always the aggressor and that the poor little USSR was merely responding? Please!

[Y2A]

Originally posted by Capitalist [email protected] 15 2004, 07:52 PM
but by the same token, we still have refugee rafts approaching the florida coast every single day.
Most people leave Cuba, not because of "repression", but because of economical reasons. Hundreds of Mexicans die crossing the border every year. Are they being "repressed"? Of course not, it's just that the economical opportunities of the U.S are much better then that of latin america. And if it wasn't for the embarrgo they could legal come to the United States instead of having to try and come here on rafts.

[Misodoctakleidist]

Imagine if the Russians had sent troops to figh for the CSA in the american civil war, im sure the USA would have just forgiven them without retaliation.

[toastedmonkey]

lol, in the majority of cases, like you say it was a chess game
america tried to destry thier economy, which they did resulting in the end of the USSR, so in the majority of cases it was america being the aggressor, USSR just wasnt clever enough to realise where to stop

[Y2A]

Yes, the Soviets were the good guys and America was the bad guy. You are correct tm. :rolleyes:

[elijahcraig]

I thought it was pretty decent, I hated the white lettering they used to translate what he was saying becuase you couldn't read it half the time. It was also pretty intresting that they let the prisoners talk and be asked questions with Castro in the room, it's something I'd like to see happen in America, have the Cuban 5 be interviewed with Bush listening and being able to make semi-intelligent comments.

I know, someone should send Stone a memo about the lettering.


No, Sir. I am sorry, but I could never concede that a revolution that empowered someone who allowed the Soviets to place nukes just tens of miles off of the US coastline is "a good thing".

US had nukes fairly close to the USSR, Cuba asked US for aid before they asked the USSR.

Do you ever have any good points beyond the “idealized” American morality of the automatic goodness? It gets old, and stale.


I agree that they had no choice, it was a chess game, the cold war, but ideologically I cannot concede that Castro is 100% good. He is a regime dictator.

Do you have any proof of this?


I suppose Castro is so controversial because there is such a difference of opinion about him.

He has many supporters at home, but by the same token, we still have refugee rafts approaching the florida coast every single day.

You also have them from Puerto Rico, capitalist friend.

If the US allowed people to travel from Cuba to America in the way they have legalized, etc., there would be none of this stuff.

[Capitalist Imperial]

Yeah, just like with Mexico, right?

They certainly don't have hundreds of illegals coming over daily. :rolleyes:

[Y2A]

There would sure be alot less of it. But it is idealist to think that it would just stop.

[Capitalist Imperial]

Originally posted by [email protected] 15 2004, 08:15 PM
There would sure be alot less of it. But it is idealist to think that it would just stop.
Now that I agree with. What needs to happen is that the US needs to liberate Cuba, and put in Gloria Estefan as El presidente, take down the barb-wire, keep up the resorts.

Then the place would rock.

[toastedmonkey]

Originally posted by [email protected] 15 2004, 09:01 PM
Yes, the Soviets were the good guys and America was the bad guy. You are correct tm. :rolleyes:
oh come on, what is the point of saying that, im left and your right, we aint gonna gree on something like that, and just for the record im not a fan of most of what the USSR did

[Y2A]

Originally posted by toastedmonkey+Apr 15 2004, 08:25 PM--> (toastedmonkey @ Apr 15 2004, 08:25 PM)
[email protected] 15 2004, 09:01 PM
Yes, the Soviets were the good guys and America was the bad guy. You are correct tm. :rolleyes:
oh come on, what is the point of saying that, im left and your right, we aint gonna gree on something like that, and just for the record im not a fan of most of what the USSR did [/b]
I'm not "right".

[Misodoctakleidist]

Y2A, you nazi! :lol:

[Y2A]

Being raised a immigrant working class minority in an inner city setting makes it impossible for me to be "right". That is until I become rich and thus turn my back on my upbringings!

*insert evil laugh*MWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[Misodoctakleidist]

I rememebr when the objectivists called you a Marxist.

[Y2A]

Those imbeciles consider child-labor laws and minimum wage laws "marxist". By their own logic America is a Marxist paradise.

[Misodoctakleidist]

The funniest thread on that site was the one about privitising roads, how can a road company possible provide a better service?!!!

[Y2A]

Ahahahahahahaha! As if roads can be built better then other roads!

[Misodoctakleidist]

That was back in the good old days before they started banning people who believe in global warming.

[Y2A]

Originally posted by [email protected] 15 2004, 09:23 PM
That was back in the good old days before they started banning people who believe in global warming.
What the capitalist boards?

[Misodoctakleidist]

Indeed, i posted a graph showing CO2 increases in the atmosphere adn they deleted it, called me a troll and banned me.

[Y2A]

Yeah, that guy started deleting my posts on the Knights of Labor and I just didn't want to deal with totalitarian mods so I left. Only posted there for about a week anyway.

[Misodoctakleidist]

After being banned i registered as 'Jettrotull' and did a parody of Jethrotull, i was swiftly banned.

[Osman Ghazi]

*remembers the 24 hours he actually posted at capitalism forum before being banned*

Ah, good times. eh boys?

[dark fairy]

where did you people see this?!?!? :o i would love to see\read\hear this?!!?!
i mean there are books but i have no time right now :unsure:

[elijahcraig]

i have no time right now

The documentary is a little under an hour--you could read that long.

[synthesis]

Originally posted by [email protected] 15 2004, 02:11 PM
Being raised a immigrant working class minority in an inner city setting makes it impossible for me to be "right". That is until I become rich and thus turn my back on my upbringings!
An urban working-class minority is just as capable of being right-wing as an urban working-class white person.

Not that I think you're on the right. But it is a clarification that has to be made: just because one is a racial minority doesn't mean they can't be reactionary.

Ideas don't change depending on who's conveying them.