Originally posted by Capitalist
[email protected] 16 2004, 11:39 PM
You red puke, the only thing you own me in is the degree to which you are biased with regard to history (anti-american regardless of facts) and in lacking any analytical skills! You are only looking at events in isolation, and not taking into account the big picture of things.
Case in point: Without the US engaging Japan and the oil embargo that the US imposed on them, Japan would have attacked russia from the west for sure, as they had struck a deal with Hitler. They had already decimated the russian navy in the russia-Japaneze war. The eastern front was a very close battle as is. Has the US not kept Japan starved for oil, and then occupied in the pacific, then the Soviets would have been squeezed in a classic pinch, the germans from the east and the Japaneze from the west, and would have been summaruily decimated.
You see, Enigma, unlike you, I never questioned the Soviet sacrifice in WWII (and I hate the Soviets!), I've always said it was an allied effort, and I recognize everyone's contribution as imperative to an allied victory. However, you and many of the idiots here have gone out of their way to minimize America's contribution and sacrifice in WWII just because you hate America. That is ignorant and just plain wrong.
Again, the only nation to fully fight in the 2 Major theaters of WWII: the USA!!!
You red puke
Red? That would imply I am a communist, sorry son, no go on that one, rather like the rest of your arguments really.
the only thing you own me in is the degree to which you are biased with regard to history (anti-american regardless of facts)
I have listed facts and the reality, and you have I noticed completely ignored all my points. For example you portrayed the Bulge as a massive US success, when the reality is it was anything but. And you claim to be quite the historian, quite Ironic really, considering you say I don’t know my stuff.
Without the US engaging Japan and the oil embargo that the US imposed on them, Japan would have attacked russia from the west for sure, as they had struck a deal with Hitler.
Unlikely, as Japan was having major problems economically with or without the US embargo. They would never have been able to sustain a successful strike on Russia, especially not Eastern Russia, which had both climatic and strategic hazards for an invading force, which were considerably worse than even Western Russia, which destroyed Hitler and Germanys army, which was technologically and numerically far in advance of Japan's army. Japan was having a hard enough time in attempting to keep her newly won Chinese Empire in order, never mind fight another front. When she was forced to, by the US, her empire collapsed, within a very short space of time. She was soon faced with the prospect of defending the home land rather than her Chinese conquests. Not to mention she did not have the power to actually threaten the USSR anyway. So it is doubtful that she ever would have made a significant attack on eastern USSR, and still more doubtful that it would have had any major effect anyway.
Sorry son but your chatting out your ass.
Again, the only nation to fully fight in the 2 Major theaters of WWII: the USA!!!
They didn’t engage fully in the West until the Germans were already beaten, just look at the facts, the Germans had quite literally had destroyed their army, it was a mere shadow of its former strength, the Russians had already begun a vast effort in pushing Germany back, Germanys war was nearly over. Of course D-Day did certainly quicken the end of the war, no denying, but it was a war which was already decided.
However, you and many of the idiots here have gone out of their way to minimize America's contribution and sacrifice in WWII just because you hate America. That is ignorant and just plain wrong.
I don’t go out my way at all, I give the US all the credit she deserves, in defeating Japan, and her contribution in the West. It is just not nearly as significant as you try to make out. Considering that Japan was never in a real position to threaten anyone but China, and the US waited until the German army was already defeated before making her move.
Accept it, you don’t know what you are talking about. Your only argument is that Japan may have threatened the USSR in the east, which is at best an unlikely possibility. At worst a cheap attempt to make the US look like she had a bigger impact than she did, by creating unlikely scenario’s, which didn’t occur and likely never would have.
You clearly are no historian, historians deal with facts, not pro-US fiction.