Marijunana Propaganda

[Y2A]

I can believe that at one time people believed crap like this, the sad thing is that there are still those who still do.

http://en.wikipedia.org/upload/0/0e/Marahuana_warning.png

Federal Bureau of Narcotics propaganda poster used in the late 1930s and 1940s

[Lefty]

It's true. Marijuana is extremely deadly and causes murder, insanity and death. How dare you trivialize its effects. :D

[Y2A]

Originally posted by [email protected] 10 2004, 04:39 AM
It's true. Marijuana is extremely deadly and causes murder, insanity and death. How dare you trivialize its effects. :D
Indeed. The nefarious actions of smoking mary jane can only lead to tomfoolery and debauchery!

[Dirty Commie]

It's a sad reflection on our nations history of over funded law enforcement that they had to resort to that to cut down on pot.

That is a hilarious poster, I tried "tea" one time, tasted like piss but had an unusual effect.

[Y2A]

Originally posted by Dirty [email protected] 10 2004, 05:24 PM
That is a hilarious poster, I tried "tea" one time, tasted like piss but had an unusual effect.
Indeed, those damn drug peddlers are shrewd! They put some in the tobbaco cigarette!

[Misodoctakleidist]

I'm finding it amusing trying to imagine anyone saying "the tobacco cigarette."

[MiDnIgHtMaRaUdEr]

Bah, there is no reason anyone needs to smoke anything or get drunk. All that garbage should be banned.

[Y2A]

Have you done anything remotely fun in your life MM?

[Pedro Alonso Lopez]

I tried it with AfterShock one time and it lead to insanity although the murder and death part may be slightly over exaggerated. ;)

[Misodoctakleidist]

Hey Y2A!!!

MM eats wine gums.

[MiDnIgHtMaRaUdEr]

Originally posted by [email protected] 10 2004, 03:44 PM
Have you done anything remotely fun in your life MM?
Our views of fun are extremely different. I enjoy listening to music, reading, talking with you fine people, playing chess or some type of sport, modeling (like model rockets or planes), talking with friends, going to the beach, taking walks, I don't even mind studying. To me, that is having a good time, where you need to get high, have sex, get drunk, pass out, things like that. I enjoy doing things that enhance my life, you do things that destroy yours. We just have very different views of what "fun" is. I wonder, have you done anything remotely fun in your life Y2A?

EDIT: What are "wine gums"?

[The Feral Underclass]

Originally posted by [email protected] 10 2004, 07:42 PM
Bah, there is no reason anyone needs to smoke anything or get drunk. All that garbage should be banned.
No....you should be banned!

[Pedro Alonso Lopez]

Originally posted by MiDnIgHtMaRaUdEr+Apr 10 2004, 07:56 PM--> (MiDnIgHtMaRaUdEr @ Apr 10 2004, 07:56 PM)
[email protected] 10 2004, 03:44 PM
Have you done anything remotely fun in your life MM?
Our views of fun are extremely different. I enjoy listening to music, reading, talking with you fine people, playing chess or some type of sport, modeling (like model rockets or planes), talking with friends, going to the beach, taking walks, I don't even mind studying. To me, that is having a good time, where you need to get high, have sex, get drunk, pass out, things like that. I enjoy doing things that enhance my life, you do things that destroy yours. We just have very different views of what "fun" is. I wonder, have you done anything remotely fun in your life Y2A?

EDIT: What are "wine gums"? [/b]

Oh dear God you have some warped view of what it is to be stoned. Smoking hash is a release from intellectual pursuits for me. I do more reading and study I am sure than you plus music is a large part of my lfe (I play guitar etc.). I have stimulating debates with friends on everything from Kant, attention spans to the negative effects of liberalism.

So once in a while I get stoned and for an hour or so my mind is a haze or cententment. No harm done, when I am done its back to the normal pursuits of life with no effects whatsoever.

I get pissed too and damn do I have a good time. You are most likely afraid of losing control, a trait that is noble but does not equate that others cant handle it. I can so keep your musing about drugs out of it.

[MiDnIgHtMaRaUdEr]

Originally posted by The Anarchist Tension+Apr 10 2004, 04:01 PM--> (The Anarchist Tension @ Apr 10 2004, 04:01 PM)
[email protected] 10 2004, 07:42 PM
Bah, there is no reason anyone needs to smoke anything or get drunk. All that garbage should be banned.
No....you should be banned! [/b]
Really? So critsizing drug abuse is right up there on the offence list as being a Nazi or a racist? Drugs are really that precious to you?

[smoer]

Whats wong with some cannabis now and then?
Its not addactive(there are eceptions).
BTW its a soft drug!Tobacco and alcohol are hard drugs!
If you smoke it pure its healthier than tobacco(otherwise not==>5times more nicotine and the brown stuf i dont know how to say it in english).
I don't say "Hey smoke weed every day"But twice a months or so isn't that bad..It relaxes.
But MM I can get fun out of music and talking with peolple 2.I also do modeling(modelrockets :P)

cheerz

[sh0cker]

I alreadyy see these people in few years sniffing heroin, and saying this is very intelectual..

Come on! mary jane and hash harms!

[The Feral Underclass]

Originally posted by MiDnIgHtMaRaUdEr+Apr 10 2004, 08:05 PM--> (MiDnIgHtMaRaUdEr @ Apr 10 2004, 08:05 PM)
Originally posted by The Anarchist [email protected] 10 2004, 04:01 PM

[email protected] 10 2004, 07:42 PM
Bah, there is no reason anyone needs to smoke anything or get drunk. All that garbage should be banned.
No....you should be banned!
Really? So critsizing drug abuse is right up there on the offence list as being a Nazi or a racist? Drugs are really that precious to you? [/b]
No...I just dont like ya!

And it isnt that drugs are precisous, it's my freedom to choose which is precious.

[Urban Rubble]

Geist just said exactly what I wanted to but couldn't find the words for.

Address that post MM, I dare you.

[Eastside Revolt]

Originally posted by [email protected] 10 2004, 09:36 PM
I alreadyy see these people in few years sniffing heroin, and saying this is very intelectual..

Come on! mary jane and hash harms!
Forget muder, insanity, tomfoollery and all that good shit.

I'm gonna go sniff some herione.

[dannie]

Originally posted by [email protected] 10 2004, 10:35 PM
Whats wong with some cannabis now and then?
Its not addactive(there are eceptions).
BTW its a soft drug!Tobacco and alcohol are hard drugs!
If you smoke it pure its healthier than tobacco(otherwise not==>5times more nicotine and the brown stuf i dont know how to say it in english).
I don't say "Hey smoke weed every day"But twice a months or so isn't that bad..It relaxes.
But MM I can get fun out of music and talking with peolple 2.I also do modeling(modelrockets :P)

cheerz
smoke your weed pure still produces more tar(sp?) (the brown stuff) than just tobacco, weed needs to get hotter to burn, because it get's hotter, it produces more tar(sp?)

[MiDnIgHtMaRaUdEr]

Oh dear God you have some warped view of what it is to be stoned. Smoking hash is a release from intellectual pursuits for me. I do more reading and study I am sure than you plus music is a large part of my lfe (I play guitar etc.). I have stimulating debates with friends on everything from Kant, attention spans to the negative effects of liberalism.

So once in a while I get stoned and for an hour or so my mind is a haze or cententment. No harm done, when I am done its back to the normal pursuits of life with no effects whatsoever.

Sleep does that job much better, and its actually beneficial.


I get pissed too and damn do I have a good time. You are most likely afraid of losing control, a trait that is noble but does not equate that others cant handle it. I can so keep your musing about drugs out of it.

There plenty of better ways to have a good time then "getting pissed". I am not afraid of losing control, though I am usually a very modest person. I just dont like seeing communities harmed by drugs.

[smoer]

I alreadyy see these people in few years sniffing heroin, and saying this is very intelectual

I dont use cannabis,I'm just pro legalizing and I don't think there is soething wrong with cannabis.

and BTW:Cannibis always give sadisfaction==>You ain't gonna use hard drugs if you smoke weed.The effect of weed stays even after 100 joints.

cheerz

[Anarchist Freedom]

ahh marijuana one of the best most usefull plants on earth. im such a fuckin pothead its sad but hey i enjoy it. lately i have gotten this new routine of i get high a bunch throughout the month then come the end of the month i take Niacin to clean out my system soo then my pot resistance goes back down its really good you all should start doing it.

:che:


CGLM! (http://www.cglm.net)

[Pedro Alonso Lopez]

Sleep does that job much better, and its actually beneficial.

A complete cope-out of a reply. I should have known you would have such a weak, defunct answer.




There plenty of better ways to have a good time then "getting pissed". I am not afraid of losing control, though I am usually a very modest person. I just dont like seeing communities harmed by drugs.

Yeah and I do them all plus I get pissed.

Way to avoid any kind of answer to anything in there.

[Wenty]

I just dont like seeing communities harmed by drugs.

I'm not sure communities get harmed by drugs, individuals do. I think its the violence that comes with drugs that harm communities. Anyway, thats all water under the bridge.

I appreciate that you have your own idea of what fun is (can't believe i just wrote that sentence) but I'd ask you if you've ever been drunk or stoned? It isn't always fun (goodness knows puking up isn't) and being paranoid on weed isn't either but sometimes it does have beneficial and enjoyable effects.

[Robert Edward Lee]

I dont use cannabis,I'm just pro legalizing and I don't think there is soething wrong with cannabis.


Exactly my position. I don't use it but I don't mind others using it.

[Y2A]

Originally posted by Robert Edward [email protected] 11 2004, 04:08 PM

I dont use cannabis,I'm just pro legalizing and I don't think there is soething wrong with cannabis.


Exactly my position. I don't use it but I don't mind others using it.
Meh, I use it sometimes but definitely not on a regular basis.

[Y2A]

Keeping drugs illegal hurts communities more then it helps.

[革命者]

Originally posted by [email protected] 10 2004, 11:35 PM
Whats wong with some cannabis now and then?
Its not addactive(there are eceptions).
BTW its a soft drug!Tobacco and alcohol are hard drugs!
If you smoke it pure its healthier than tobacco(otherwise not==>5times more nicotine and the brown stuf i dont know how to say it in english).
I don't say "Hey smoke weed every day"But twice a months or so isn't that bad..It relaxes.
But MM I can get fun out of music and talking with peolple 2.I also do modeling(modelrockets :P)

cheerz
Not all countries have a seperate list for the "softer" drugs.

Viva Holanda! :lol:

[Lefty]

I smoke every other week or so and it has done nothing but benefit my life. It relaxes me and gives me a new perspective on things. It increases my creativity, along with myriad other benefits. I occasionally get drunk as well, albeit not nearly as often but that is a valid stress-reliever as well. Most hallucinogens are valuable mind-expanding tools. Drugs certainly have a place in my life, but I do not allow them to overtake my more important activities, such as friends, school, work, etc.

[LSD]

I wonder if anyone here has seen "the terrible truth" which outlines both how Marijuana causes insanity and murder and how it was introduced by the "reds" to undermine society.

Wonderful piece of cold war propaganda that.

[MiDnIgHtMaRaUdEr]

How can someone believe that Marijuana is a drug introduced by "reds?


The Soviet Constitution, despite the numerous amendments that have been, and are being, introduced during the sessions of the main ruling body of the USSR, the Supreme Soviet, remains basically unchanged since the Constitution adopted during the so-called ‘stagnation period’ of the Brezhnev reactionary regime (1964-82). It is based on plain statements of the rights and freedoms of the Homo Sovieticus. For instance, one of the articles states: "Every Soviet citizen has the right to work." This is to say, it contains, as most Constitutions do, quite indistinct statements and definitions.

This ambiguity has been subject to interpretation by the Soviet authorities and is sometimes used to their own advantage. But it is neither the Constitution, nor even the Criminal Codes of the Union Republics, that actually form the drug policy of the Soviet leadership as a whole. In reality, it is composed of vectors of a quite different character, namely of those formed by the ‘nomenklatura’ power - an oligarchic body of bureaucrats who enjoy quite arbitrary privileges. It can come as no surprise to anyone that its main interest lies in perpetuating these privileges.

In 1976, the Chairman of the Standing Commit-tee on Drugs of the Ministry of Health of the USSR, Eduard A. Babajan, stated that there were approximately 2,000 people in the USSR who use drugs on a regular basis. According to him, these were Second World War invalids who had become addicted as a result of treatment for wounds received during the war.

It was also Babajan who, as a ‘representative of Soviet psychiatrists’ at the UN, said that no one in the USSR was committed to mental asylums for ‘treatment’ on the basis of their beliefs (New Times, 1978, 1980). However, it is now common knowledge that thousands of people were forced to go through this type of ‘therapy’ under Khruschev and Brezhnev.

The fact that Babajan is still Chairman of the USSR Committee on Drugs is quite significant and shows that, regardless of general political changes, the Soviet leadership’s policy towards illicit drugs has not changed in the slightest.

In an interview with Victor Rezunkov, Mr Babajan made himself absolutely clear by stating that drug legalisation would be ‘a real defeat in the fight against drugs’. He went on to say that he thought it was necessary to apply ‘extreme measures’ to everybody who was involved in drugs, regardless of whet were a user, an addict or a dealer.

[LSD]

How can someone believe that Marijuana is a drug introduced by "reds?

Exact quote: "They did it in China, and they're doing it here."

[mysticofthewest]

Weed is Harmless its a nice way to get away for a while if your into it but if your not just dont weed is on every Major land mass on earth naturally would God have put it so many places if he didn't want us to to take a Hit every now and again. Besides if every one had weed their would be no war I mean How many pot heads just start kicking each others ass when their high.

[Y2A]

Originally posted by Lysergic Acid [email protected] 12 2004, 10:51 PM
I wonder if anyone here has seen "the terrible truth" which outlines both how Marijuana causes insanity and murder and how it was introduced by the "reds" to undermine society.

Wonderful piece of cold war propaganda that.
:lol: AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA :lol:

[SittingBull47]

Originally posted by [email protected] 10 2004, 07:42 PM
Bah, there is no reason anyone needs to smoke anything or get drunk. All that garbage should be banned.
... :lol:
Do people need a reason to do what they want?

[moncadista]

the reality is that marijuana is beneficial to both people and the enviroment. in the human brain are cannabinoid receptors, which the THC connects its self to, which produces the euphoria ans relaxation reffered to as being "high." the question i have is, if these receptors are a part of the human body, then how is smoking the gange unnatural? i mean, as leftists we are dedicated to destroying the reactionaries, and whats more reactionary then denying people something that has been a part of humanity from the beggining of time.

also regarding the enviroment. the majority of the anti-cannabis movement is controlled by logging corporations, because an acre of pot can make 4 times as much paper than an acre of trees. also, cannabis' growing season is such that a new crop could be harvested anualy. because this would mean the end of the logging industry, they oppose this wonderful substance on the basis of maintaining their unsustainable destuctive practices while reaping huge profits.

face it, ganja is as versetile as tofu and soy combined, and it can get you pretty high.

[cubist]

have you seen WEED i think a narrated film by woody harellson, that is the funniest thing about weed ever

i smoke dope to relieve my self from the monotony of living in an endless circle of earning and spending.

i believe irvine walsh wrote in one book porno i think, i am an addict so that i can face going to work as i have something to look forward to when i finish work

[Y2A]

People here have to have heard of "Reafer(sp?) Madness".

[sh0cker]

Originally posted by [email protected] 12 2004, 10:14 PM
I smoke every other week or so and it has done nothing but benefit my life. It relaxes me and gives me a new perspective on things. It increases my creativity, along with myriad other benefits. I occasionally get drunk as well, albeit not nearly as often but that is a valid stress-reliever as well. Most hallucinogens are valuable mind-expanding tools. Drugs certainly have a place in my life, but I do not allow them to overtake my more important activities, such as friends, school, work, etc.
Border between enjoying and work is very tin, and you can broke it very easy.
So be careful, and just the thing that you do something illegal means that you are indirectly connected to the criminals, and all sorts of thins.

Those who think that if you smoke weed, you won't try anything else, have just started smoking or they have never smoked!

[cubist]

if i get labeled a crook for smoking dope then i am a crook. asides in the UK cannabis is class C not arrestable merely confiscated

i hold my head high in the knowlege that i am viewed as a disrespectful misguided drug using confused youth.

[Dirty Commie]

Wait, you can't be arrested for smoking weed in Britain???

[Y2A]

I hope that a prominent politican in the U.S someday has the balls to come out and say that this drug war is hurting america economically and morally.

[Wenty]

Yes you can. Its only on the first offence that it gets confiscated, its still illegal.

[Y2A]

Originally posted by Dirty [email protected] 13 2004, 06:30 PM
Wait, you can't be arrested for smoking weed in Britain???
The laws in Europe are much different regarding drugs then in the states. Most notably in the netherlands, which by the way has a lower drug use per capita then the U.S.

[Dirty Commie]

I hate living in such a puritanical society. It is a crime to smoke something that has less dangerous effects than cigarettes.

Thank god for the hippy lobbyists in the American Cannabis Society

[Y2A]

Originally posted by Dirty [email protected] 13 2004, 06:35 PM
I hate living in such a puritanical society. It is a crime to smoke something that has less dangerous effects than cigarettes.

Thank god for the hippy lobbyists in the American Cannabis Society
Those idiot hippies hurt the cause more then they help it.

[Guest1]

:huh:

The Conservative mind's capacity to ignore people's freedom of choice never ceases to amaze me.

You may be connected to criminals yes, but so was the underground railroad that ran up to Canada freeing slaves from their owners. You may end up trying other drugs yes, but alot of those have gotten just as bad a rap as weed, so nothing wrong with experimenting.

The real danger is trying somehting you know little about. That's the problem that draconian laws bring about, no one knows what to believe, and some people think everything is safe and nothing is addictive, or they think they're somehow special and won't be addicted.

So long as people don't know the differences between drugs, they'll continue to try them, but they'll get fucked in the process.

Who's fault is it? Yours!

You destroy communities by spreading lies and crying wolf.
You destroy communities by supporting the arrests of free-thinkers.
You destroy communities by preaching abstinence when you should be teaching contraception.

Motherfuckers, some people here may tell you they respect that you have a different view of what is fun. I don't. I know people who "just have different views of fun", you don't. You want more, you don't think we should even be allowed to have our own definition.

So fuck you. You're what's wrong with drugs!

[Y2A]

Originally posted by Che y [email protected] 13 2004, 07:15 PM
:huh:

The Conservative mind's capacity to ignore people's freedom of choice never ceases to amaze me.

You may be connected to criminals yes, but so was the underground railroad that ran up to Canada freeing slaves from their owners. You may end up trying other drugs yes, but alot of those have gotten just as bad a rap as weed, so nothing wrong with experimenting.

The real danger is trying somehting you know little about. That's the problem that draconian laws bring about, no one knows what to believe, and some people think everything is safe and nothing is addictive, or they think they're somehow special and won't be addicted.

So long as people don't know the differences between drugs, they'll continue to try them, but they'll get fucked in the process.

Who's fault is it? Yours!

You destroy communities by spreading lies and crying wolf.
You destroy communities by supporting the arrests of free-thinkers.
You destroy communities by preaching abstinence when you should be teaching contraception.

Motherfuckers, some people here may tell you they respect that you have a different view of what is fun. I don't. I know people who "just have different views of fun", you don't. You want more, you don't think we should even be allowed to have our own definition.

So fuck you. You're what's wrong with drugs!
Uhhhhhhh are you directing that post towards me?

[lucid]

Originally posted by Che y [email protected] 13 2004, 07:15 PM
:huh:

The Conservative mind's capacity to ignore people's freedom of choice never ceases to amaze me.

You may be connected to criminals yes, but so was the underground railroad that ran up to Canada freeing slaves from their owners. You may end up trying other drugs yes, but alot of those have gotten just as bad a rap as weed, so nothing wrong with experimenting.

The real danger is trying somehting you know little about. That's the problem that draconian laws bring about, no one knows what to believe, and some people think everything is safe and nothing is addictive, or they think they're somehow special and won't be addicted.

So long as people don't know the differences between drugs, they'll continue to try them, but they'll get fucked in the process.

Who's fault is it? Yours!

You destroy communities by spreading lies and crying wolf.
You destroy communities by supporting the arrests of free-thinkers.
You destroy communities by preaching abstinence when you should be teaching contraception.

Motherfuckers, some people here may tell you they respect that you have a different view of what is fun. I don't. I know people who "just have different views of fun", you don't. You want more, you don't think we should even be allowed to have our own definition.

So fuck you. You're what's wrong with drugs!
Damn dude, you get a bag of ditch weed or something?

[MiDnIgHtMaRaUdEr]

The Conservative mind's capacity to ignore people's freedom of choice never ceases to amaze me.

Moderate conservatives are FOR freedom of choise to do what they want, I however, am not. The individual has no right to do things that are detremental to the well-being of society as a whole. Venezuela, Cuba, the former USSR, Maoist China, all have/had strict laws prohibiting drugs. If you are someone who strives for socialism and equality, then thats fine, but if you are someone who just wants have their drug addiction legalized, THEN YOU HAVE NO BUSINUSS HERE!!!


You may be connected to criminals yes, but so was the underground railroad that ran up to Canada freeing slaves from their owners. You may end up trying other drugs yes, but alot of those have gotten just as bad a rap as weed, so nothing wrong with experimenting.

The ALL deserve just as bad of a rap as weed, and there IS something bad with experimenting, because what if that "experiment" goes wrong? Even if that "experiment" is a "success", then you STILL lose because now you are a fucking addict. Smooth move dipshit.


The real danger is trying somehting you know little about. That's the problem that draconian laws bring about, no one knows what to believe, and some people think everything is safe and nothing is addictive, or they think they're somehow special and won't be addicted.

We should tell everyone EXACTLY how dangerous drugs are! You act as if people SINCERELY believe that drugs cannot hurt them.... Maybe, because that is exactly what DIPSHITS like you are telling them!!!


So long as people don't know the differences between drugs, they'll continue to try them, but they'll get fucked in the process.

Who's fault is it? Yours!

No, the blame falls on you. I try tell people not to use drugs, and you support total legalization, and ENCOURAGE them to abuse drugs.


You destroy communities by spreading lies and crying wolf.
You destroy communities by supporting the arrests of free-thinkers.
You destroy communities by preaching abstinence when you should be teaching contraception.

1. The only lier here is you.
2. Drugs abuse is by no stretch of the imagination, "free thought".
3. Irrelevant, I am satisfied with the current method of sexual education that teaches about contraception, but encourages absinance.



Motherfuckers, some people here may tell you they respect that you have a different view of what is fun. I don't. I know people who "just have different views of fun", you don't. You want more, you don't think we should even be allowed to have our own definition.

So fuck you. You're what's wrong with drugs!

FUCK YOU!!! You, and your ideals are a disgrace. You encourage drug abuse, and hell, you even put the name of Che Guevara beside that of a DRUG!!! As if Che owed a fucking weed plantation and decided that drugs are the greatest thing since sliced bread. No, Marijuana and Che Guevara do not go together dipshit. Maybe I should change my name to anarchy, murder, y rape. Not only do I think you shouldn't have your own definition of "fun", I think you need to be sent to drug rehab.

[Urban Rubble]

I don't know why I am even writing this, you don't respond to half the shit people write. It's because you have no answers, you're a fucking conservative drone.

First off, after all your ranting and uninformed bullshit, you have still failed to explain how my marijuana use hurts anything, society, and really, myself. Also, I smoke from a vaporizer, so don't give me that bullshit about my lungs, it's 100% tar free.


Venezuela, Cuba, the former USSR, Maoist China, all have/had strict laws prohibiting drugs. If you are someone who strives for socialism and equality, then thats fine, but if you are someone who just wants have their drug addiction legalized, THEN YOU HAVE NO BUSINUSS HERE!!!

That's your problem right there. You think that just because these "Socialist paradises" that you masturbate to at night had strict drug laws then you have to as well. Well guess what dipshit ? These countries harsh laws and even excecutions have hurt them far more than drug use would.

Why haven't you responded to the fact that the countries with lax drug laws or legalization have all had lower drug rates than the countries where it was illegal ?

A Socialist would teach people the dangers of drug use in plain, factual terms without resorting to scare tactics like most prohibitionist countries do. A Socialist would try to help the people addicted to serious drugs instead of ruining their lives even further. A conservative wants to lock these people up and forget about the, a Capitalist wants to keep these things illegal so he can continue to profit. That is the only reason drugs are illegal.


The ALL deserve just as bad of a rap as weed, and there IS something bad with experimenting, because what if that "experiment" goes wrong? Even if that "experiment" is a "success", then you STILL lose because now you are a fucking addict. Smooth move dipshit.

I would agree that an experiment with something such as crack or heroin should be completely discouraged, that is not the case with lesser drugs. The whole "gateway drug" theory is complete bullshit, and I know from my experience and many others.

We should discourage people from doing that kind of drug. Think about this, if we are talking about an ideal Socialist/Communist society, there would be no way to profit from selling drugs. So, aside from a few remaining addicts, there would be no such thing as crack and heroin because there would be no way to make cash of it other than the state selling it, which obviously it would not. The only reason hard drugs like crack have been introduced into society is because people figured out that you can hook people and make money.


We should tell everyone EXACTLY how dangerous drugs are! You act as if people SINCERELY believe that drugs cannot hurt them.... Maybe, because that is exactly what DIPSHITS like you are telling them!!!

TELL ME WHERE ANYONE SAID DRUGS CANNOT BE HARMFUL YOU FUCKING FOOL. Did the caps help out ? Should I put that in bold ? We have all said that people should be educated about the effects of drugs, they should be told that heroin is addictive and can kill you, they should not be told you will automatically be fucked for life the second you try it. They should be told that if abused, marijuana can make you lose your motivation, they should also be told that marijuana can be used responsibly without making you insane and braindead.


3. Irrelevant, I am satisfied with the current method of sexual education that teaches about contraception, but encourages absinance.

Yes, that works real well you conservative douche, have you seen the teen pregnancy rates in this country ? Protection should be provided as well as birth control, regardless of the persons age or ability to pay. If we had that, and had teachers telling kids to be smart instead of not doing anything, we'd have alot less people with kids that can't take care of them. It doesn't work with sex and it obviously doesn't work with drugs. Does "highest drug use in the world" mean anything to you ?

[Guest1]

Actually, I was not talking to the Capitalists here, even some of them see that you can't prohibit marijuana, I was talking to MM and the like.

As for sex education, it was a metaphor. Just as even encouraging abstinence does nothing but send the message teenagers should never talk to adults about their sexual habits, the same can be said about drug abstinence.

Only when you can remove the moral judgement from these actions can real education be acheived about the true dangers of drugs. Same goes for sex. There are many dangers to drug use, but each drug is different, it isn't a black and white world where smoking one joint will kill you.

As long as you keep telling people that, they will know it's bullshit when they smoke that joint and feel wonderful. Then they might turn and say "hey, I wonder if they lied about heroin too?"

That's why this idiocy doesn't work. You have to be objective in how you teach it.

[elhumano]

Hey MM, whats wrong with sex? I wont argue about that whole pot issue other then its a hell of a drug. Weed's good for you and it would help fat people lose weight. So maybe if you dont have sex because your fat you could just roll one up and then type ur anti drug views while lossing weight, and maybe just get laid while doing it. Live free or die? Why not live free while being skinny smoking pot and having sex?

[dark fairy]

this is funny as hell... i don't know why but to me it's even funnier how many people really do smoke pot\weed\chiba\marijuana\mota\herb
ok enough

[Urban Rubble]

Godamnit, will you just reply to the post MM ?

[elhumano]

www.bukket.com this place sells the coolest shit...its the ultimate in smoking pot.

[MiDnIgHtMaRaUdEr]

I don't know why I am even writing this, you don't respond to half the shit people write. It's because you have no answers, you're a fucking conservative drone.

First off, after all your ranting and uninformed bullshit, you have still failed to explain how my marijuana use hurts anything, society, and really, myself. Also, I smoke from a vaporizer, so don't give me that bullshit about my lungs, it's 100% tar free.

A vaporizer? Even with that I'm sure some stuff gets inside your lungs that increases your chances of emphasima and cancer, not to mention you still have a drug addiction.




Venezuela, Cuba, the former USSR, Maoist China, all have/had strict laws prohibiting drugs. If you are someone who strives for socialism and equality, then thats fine, but if you are someone who just wants have their drug addiction legalized, THEN YOU HAVE NO BUSINUSS HERE!!!

That's your problem right there. You think that just because these "Socialist paradises" that you masturbate to at night had strict drug laws then you have to as well. Well guess what dipshit ? These countries harsh laws and even excecutions have hurt them far more than drug use would.

I think they should have taken it further and outlawed smoking and alcohol as well! The only thing I don't like are the executions, but show me proof of someone getting executed for using a drug. (I don't agree with the death penalty anyways). Regardless, they did do a good job at keeping a lid on drugs in my opinion.


Why haven't you responded to the fact that the countries with lax drug laws or legalization have all had lower drug rates than the countries where it was illegal?

Did those countries ever have a serious drug problem to begin with? The US might have a serious drug problem, but what about Cuba or the USSR when it was around?


A Socialist would teach people the dangers of drug use in plain, factual terms without resorting to scare tactics like most prohibitionist countries do. A Socialist would try to help the people addicted to serious drugs instead of ruining their lives even further. A conservative wants to lock these people up and forget about the, a Capitalist wants to keep these things illegal so he can continue to profit. That is the only reason drugs are illegal.

I don't want to see they locked up, and I don't want to see them mislead. In plain factual terms, if people did socially useful work instead of using drugs, if people did not let their families and their lives be destroyed by substance abuse, and if people lived up to their potential by not using drugs and thus keeping themselves healty, then society would be in a much better position. I want to see drug users helped and rehabilitated, not have their lives destoryed. What does keeping drugs illegal have to do with profit? If drugs were legal, then couldn't capitalist sell them and make flashy ads to try and get people addicted to drugs? Perhaps even slavery could even exist with drugs?



The ALL deserve just as bad of a rap as weed, and there IS something bad with experimenting, because what if that "experiment" goes wrong? Even if that "experiment" is a "success", then you STILL lose because now you are a fucking addict. Smooth move dipshit.

I would agree that an experiment with something such as crack or heroin should be completely discouraged, that is not the case with lesser drugs. The whole "gateway drug" theory is complete bullshit, and I know from my experience and many others.

All drugs should be "discouraged", period.


We should discourage people from doing that kind of drug. Think about this, if we are talking about an ideal Socialist/Communist society, there would be no way to profit from selling drugs. So, aside from a few remaining addicts, there would be no such thing as crack and heroin because there would be no way to make cash of it other than the state selling it, which obviously it would not. The only reason hard drugs like crack have been introduced into society is because people figured out that you can hook people and make money.

There are more ways then just cash that a person can exploit a drug addict. Induced drug addictions are not unknown in order to create obedient slaves.




We should tell everyone EXACTLY how dangerous drugs are! You act as if people SINCERELY believe that drugs cannot hurt them.... Maybe, because that is exactly what DIPSHITS like you are telling them!!!

TELL ME WHERE ANYONE SAID DRUGS CANNOT BE HARMFUL YOU FUCKING FOOL. Did the caps help out ? Should I put that in bold ? We have all said that people should be educated about the effects of drugs, they should be told that heroin is addictive and can kill you, they should not be told you will automatically be fucked for life the second you try it. They should be told that if abused, marijuana can make you lose your motivation, they should also be told that marijuana can be used responsibly without making you insane and braindead.

Did you not say your marijuana addiction was not harmful? People should be taught the truth about drugs, but the laws on them should remain regardless.



3. Irrelevant, I am satisfied with the current method of sexual education that teaches about contraception, but encourages absinance.

Yes, that works real well you conservative douche, have you seen the teen pregnancy rates in this country ? Protection should be provided as well as birth control, regardless of the persons age or ability to pay. If we had that, and had teachers telling kids to be smart instead of not doing anything, we'd have alot less people with kids that can't take care of them. It doesn't work with sex and it obviously doesn't work with drugs. Does "highest drug use in the world" mean anything to you ?

Protection IS given for free at the health clinics here. Condoms are given to anyone who wants them, no questions asked. The use of contraceptives are taught, but abstinance is encouraged. I see no problem with that.

[truthaddict11]

I think MM would like this this (http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Congress/2503/lyrics01.html)
MM, what makes you think banning drugs will stop people from using them? It sure as hell didnt stop people from drinking during the Prohibition period. Infact drinking, crime, ect actually went up during this period. How do you think Al Capone got so big? Do you really that banning all subtances that you have your William Bennet influenced crusade against is actually gonna stop people from doing drugs. What are you gonna do to me if I or anyone drinks a beer in front of you or your No Fun Secrect Police? Arrest Us? Put us through that same anti-drug bullshit we had in school? I bet you actually believe that crap in "Refer Madness. Whats next ban masturbation?

My mom told me she did coccaine somtimes in the 80s is she "hopelessly addicted" to you? To my knowledge she doesnt do that anymore nor does she smoke weed she used to do it in the next room I even found a bong in an apartment she was staying in once. And for the longest time she had her pipe in my apartment does that make her a bad person? Is she "worthless" to you.

Why are you so against people enjoying themselves? Not everyone likes to spend thier weekends at home reading or building models like you (sniffing any modeling glue are you? :lol: ), so how is someone smoking marijuana or drinking alcohol directly affecting you at this moment? You need to lighten up kid and just let people do what they want. I dont like to smoke does that mean I go off on my co-workers that do? NO! I dont mind it at all. Its their damn bodies.

[Urban Rubble]

I'm not going to bother with your whole post. You don't answer the questions, you repeat rhetoric. You continue to dodge this question: What harm does a casual marijuana smoker cause to society ? How does my marijuana "addiction" affect society at all ? I work 50 hours a week building houses *****, and you're going to tell that I not only don't help society, I actually harm it ?


Protection IS given for free at the health clinics here. Condoms are given to anyone who wants them, no questions asked. The use of contraceptives are taught, but abstinance is encouraged. I see no problem with that.

Is birth control free ?

[Guest1]

In plain factual terms, if people did socially useful work instead of using drugs, if people did not let their families and their lives be destroyed by substance abuse, and if people lived up to their potential by not using drugs and thus keeping themselves healty, then society would be in a much better position. I want to see drug users helped and rehabilitated, not have their lives destoryed.

"Don't go to hell, please, don't go to hell."

lol, seriously, there's a group of people you would really feel comfortable with: The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. (http://www.lds.org/)

[truthaddict11]

there's a group of people you would really feel comfortable with: The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

he'd fit in well there! :lol:

[cubist]

Originally posted by Dirty [email protected] 13 2004, 06:30 PM
Wait, you can't be arrested for smoking weed in Britain???

from my understanding
its class C, you can have it confiscated and they can summon you to court if they want.

i have been searched and had it confiscated more than once wenty, but you may be right i may have been lucky,

[cubist]

FUCK YOU!!! You, and your ideals are a disgrace

et tu brute

[DaCuBaN]

Those who think that if you smoke weed, you won't try anything else, have just started smoking or they have never smoked!

hmmm really? I think your just making asumptions(sp?) to be honest. I've been smoking pot (far too much) for the last seven years having learned what a stupid and pointless drug alcohol is. When I began, I told myself I wouldn't try anything else - and I haven't! Sure this means that I haven't experienced what others may have, but it also means I still have some braincells left (which many of my less rigorous(sp?) friends certainly do not).


what makes you think banning drugs will stop people from using them? It sure as hell didnt stop people from drinking during the Prohibition period. Infact drinking, crime, ect actually went up during this period

The simplest argument for legalisation of all substances in western society :) Drinking was made illegal, and as such the barriers of 'law' that a large chunk of the population seems to have this undying urge to obey were marginalised. I've never trusted anyone who follows the law to the letter - they are the cheats in society. It's the people who stand up for what they believe in regardless of the possible consequences that are deserve our respect.


You think that just because these "Socialist paradises" that you masturbate to at night had strict drug laws then you have to as well

To be honest, yes I do. If i saw a glimmer of hope that real socialism was anywhere on the horizon I'd drop my 'security blanket' for what it is and run toward utopia. But that aint going to happen. Drugs ARE a scourge on society and need to be dealt with, but prohibition of substance won't help. The light touch is what is needed here imo.


if people did socially useful work instead of using drugs

You've missed the point - you can do both. The problem is when the drug becomes the focus of your life rather than the betterment of all. Quite simply, we're back to the fact that humans are all selfish wankers - even if we don't all realise it and no matter how hard we fight it. :rolleyes: :lol:

[MiDnIgHtMaRaUdEr]

MM, what makes you think banning drugs will stop people from using them? It sure as hell didnt stop people from drinking during the Prohibition period. Infact drinking, crime, ect actually went up during this period. How do you think Al Capone got so big? Do you really that banning all subtances that you have your William Bennet influenced crusade against is actually gonna stop people from doing drugs. What are you gonna do to me if I or anyone drinks a beer in front of you or your No Fun Secrect Police? Arrest Us? Put us through that same anti-drug bullshit we had in school? I bet you actually believe that crap in "Refer Madness. Whats next ban masturbation?

By that logic, legalizing assault weapons and giving them away to everyone will make murder rates go down. People didn't stop drinking during the prohibition not because of the law, but because the government did not have the means to enforce it. I view the repeal of the prohibition as a surrender to organized crime. The criminals won, now everyone can drink themselves into a stupor. Don't even pretend to believe that organized crime wouldn't be around if not for the prohibition. The mafia was around before the prohibition, and it is still plauging society today, and probably well into the future. FYI, yes, I would support giving a big fat funding increase to the "No Fun Secret Police" in order to enforce the prohibition, and if you were caught getting drunk, I would also support putting you through a good couple weeks of "anti-drug bullshit". Now, if you were caught producing it, promoting it, or selling it, I would support some rather harsher measures, like a couple weeks group counceling, the "anti-drug bullshit course", 1000 hours community service (done at a labor facility if need be), and 90 days probation in which your activities are periodically checked, and a period of time determined by judges in an increased security commune for repeat offenders.


My mom told me she did coccaine somtimes in the 80s is she "hopelessly addicted" to you? To my knowledge she doesnt do that anymore nor does she smoke weed she used to do it in the next room I even found a bong in an apartment she was staying in once. And for the longest time she had her pipe in my apartment does that make her a bad person? Is she "worthless" to you.

No, I do not view addicts as bad people, but merely as people who need a little rehabilitation in order to get their lives back on track. I would view her capitalist dealer as the one who should be held accountable.


Why are you so against people enjoying themselves? Not everyone likes to spend thier weekends at home reading or building models like you (sniffing any modeling glue are you? ), so how is someone smoking marijuana or drinking alcohol directly affecting you at this moment? You need to lighten up kid and just let people do what they want. I dont like to smoke does that mean I go off on my co-workers that do? NO! I dont mind it at all. Its their damn bodies.

Surely, there must be SOMETHING out there besides substance abuse out there that you find enjoyable? In a capitalist system, people can do whatever they want, weather they starve in the streets, or make billions, it probably won't effect me much, but in a socialist system, where everyone works as a team, my well being is dependent on those around me, and their well being is partly dependant on me, so weather people make themselves into strong, healthy workers, or waste away from a drug addiction will have an immense impact on my life, and the lives of those around me.


I'm not going to bother with your whole post. You don't answer the questions, you repeat rhetoric. You continue to dodge this question: What harm does a casual marijuana smoker cause to society ? How does my marijuana "addiction" affect society at all ? I work 50 hours a week building houses *****, and you're going to tell that I not only don't help society, I actually harm it ?

I'm not saying that you are useless, I'm merely saying that you are not as good as you could be. As I stated earlier, weather you make billions or rot in the streets, you probably won't change society.



Protection IS given for free at the health clinics here. Condoms are given to anyone who wants them, no questions asked. The use of contraceptives are taught, but abstinance is encouraged. I see no problem with that.

Is birth control free?

As I said earlier, birth control (condoms) are given out for free here. I live in Florida, the legislature here is 80% republican (thanks to the Cuban exiles :angry: ). If condoms are free here, I think its reasonable assumption that they are given away in the rest of the country.


"Don't go to hell, please, don't go to hell."

lol, seriously, there's a group of people you would really feel comfortable with: The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

Theres a group of people religious freaks you would be confortable with...the Rastafarians (http://www.rastafarian.net/). Heres a quote from that black equivilant of the Nazi party.


The major media all uniformly uphold a racial integrationist perspective and the implication of their massive propaganda machinery is that all those opposed to vast social, racial and cultural mingling are bigots motivated by hatred. We are constantly being told that unless we support inter-racial marriage and overall amalgamation of our unique ways of life, we must be "haters".

Of course, a good case could be made that just the reverse is true, that those who sincerely care about the races of men are concerned with preserving, not destroying them. In fact those who push for wholesale integration are generally those who are indifferent to the history and traditions of both European and African peoples.

In English: We are black racists who hate those non-African devils. We want an all African nation, and those who are not black who are there are going to bite the bullet.

[Non-Sectarian Bastard!]

I would support giving a big fat funding increase to the "No Fun Secret Police" in order to enforce the prohibition, and if you were caught getting drunk, I would also support putting you through a good couple weeks of "anti-drug bullshit".

Wouldn't this require a massive controll sytem + strong central gov't, which would pave the way for a policestate a la USSR.


Surely, there must be SOMETHING out there besides substance abuse out there that you find enjoyable? In a capitalist system, people can do whatever they want, weather they starve in the streets, or make billions, it probably won't effect me much, but in a socialist system, where everyone works as a team, my well being is dependent on those around me, and their well being is partly dependant on me, so weather people make themselves into strong, healthy workers, or waste away from a drug addiction will have an immense impact on my life, and the lives of those around me.

Surely Socialism doesn't have to mean that you give up individuality. Increasing the production isn't what Socialism is about. Lots of workers are already part of a productive system, but aren't happy. That's why they choose Socialism and not Capitalism. We shouldn't produce more then necessary. And use the rest of the time for other matters, important to the person himself and the community. If that is smoking pot or getting drunk, so be it.

Marijuana and alcohol don't have such a strong effect as you claim, certainly not an "immense impact". Like most drugs, it won't harm if properly used. We all know the thousands of horrorstories. But there are millions of users who are productive members of society. It's ,because of that small group who can't controll their own druguse that we should legalize drugs. Forbidding drugs would force them to go underground. They can't get any of the for them necessary help while hiding for society (and it's punishments). Help is what they need. Not punishment or a hunt by the state.

And once more, a lot of users of drugs are productive members of society. They enjoy just as you reading a book, painting a duck, running in circles too, but they enjoy a joint too. So let them do their thing and you do yours.

[DaCuBaN]

in a socialist system, where everyone works as a team, my well being is dependent on those around me, and their well being is partly dependant on me, so weather people make themselves into strong, healthy workers, or waste away from a drug addiction will have an immense impact on my life, and the lives of those around me.


w00t! the man has a point :D I've already stated that I do believe that abusable substances are a problem. But then that said so much of what we see in our current (UK for me at any rate) society is abusable - certainly a lot of the 'food' available in western countries can be highly addictive and detrimental to your health. Now although under a socialist society I could imagine the banning of McDonalds-esque (what an idea! :D ) eateries for damaging the workers, but in our current culture there is noone to stop us from damaging ourselves in this way, so why are we being prohibited from weed? It's totally nonsensical.


Increasing the production isn't what Socialism is about. Lots of workers are already part of a productive system, but aren't happy. That's why they choose Socialism and not Capitalism

I think you may be picking him up wrong - I'd read his post thinking more not that production would flail, but that you would be letting down your fellow workers


No, I do not view addicts as bad people, but merely as people who need a little rehabilitation in order to get their lives back on track. I would view her capitalist dealer as the one who should be held accountable

You've got a real chip on your shoulder about this one - I wonder if you've had drug problems closer to home? I for one believe my life is firmly on track... before I found weed I was of an aggressive nature, and a staunch anarchist. Weed has taught me the way - is this a bad thing? I've always found it an aid to thought (and besides, Pink Floyd just aint the same without it :lol: )


From the WONDERFUL http://www.redstar2000papers.vze.com/

Don't get me wrong; humans love purposeful activity. The idea that people would just lie around and look at the pretty clouds if there were no bosses to make them work is just bullshit

This is where weed falls down. It makes you happy with being bored (which is why it's so prevelant amongst socialists in our world - I certainly only know one cappie in my area who smokes pot, and my area is the oil capital of the UK - rich mans land)

[cubist]

my fav piece of properganda is

most heroin addicts started on ganja

but most ganja smokers don't do heroin but they forget that bit

[DaCuBaN]

It's all about what kind of person you are really. I cba going through this entire post again (I only signed onto this forum yesterday so I've been doing a LOT of sifting) but someone spoke about caffeiene and nicotine being the first drugs we encounter - and this is so true. If you have an addictive disorder then you'll go down the line - caffeine, nicotine, tetrahydrocannibol, amphetamines and so on (unless as I've already stated your one of the poor few who recognises the states right to law :rolleyes: )

It's about SELF CONTROL :D


FUCK YOU!!! You, and your ideals are a disgrace

and it's evidently something that the poster there doesn't have an ounce of :angry: That kind of comment is best kept for the playground please. This is meant to be a relatively sensible conversation. If you can't be bothered becoming literate enough to hold a reasonable discussion I really don't know why you bother. It doesn't even matter if what you post is offensive - so long as it's done in good humour and is SHOWN to be so. There's no reason to get irate about it - you'll never 'convert' by pissing people off.

[cubist]

i found i went down,

nicotenine, THC & BCD, caffiene my love of coffee came from my love of guiness before guiness i hated coffee. now coffee is mty life support machine at work. then i did cocaine, then pills lots of em in a short time period not good don't go there, then back to cocaine and other amphetamines, but i am not addicted i just have some fun every once in a while, infact i could happily say my large group of drug abusing friends don't actuially abuse drugs on a dangerous level no one in 6 years of my smoking dope has gone out of control, maybe it us and we look after each other and say when we think its getting out of hand but there must be 16 of us trying lots of drugs no deaths no injuries no addicts.

[MiDnIgHtMaRaUdEr]

Wouldn't this require a massive controll sytem + strong central gov't, which would pave the way for a policestate a la USSR.

What? You thought I was an anarchist? A "police state" doesn't sound like too bad of idea to me. I think you simply don't like the idea of being able to hold criminals in account for their actions.


Surely Socialism doesn't have to mean that you give up individuality. Increasing the production isn't what Socialism is about. Lots of workers are already part of a productive system, but aren't happy. That's why they choose Socialism and not Capitalism. We shouldn't produce more then necessary. And use the rest of the time for other matters, important to the person himself and the community. If that is smoking pot or getting drunk, so be it.

We are talking about a country, not a theme park. There is no way to make EVERYONE happy, no matter what you do. Perhaps you mean we shouldn't produce any more then the enough to satisfy everyones basic necessities? We can never produce enough. Our survival depends on our resourcefulness. Once we have housing, transportation, clothing, education, etc taken care of, there are still other things that you can never do enough for that need to be done, like having a space program, or a huge laboritory dedicated to trying to figure out a way to finally get fusion power. Rest time nessessary, as we are more then just working machines, but yet I see living to one's potential as essential to our survival.

[Urban Rubble]

As I said earlier, birth control (condoms) are given out for free here. I live in Florida, the legislature here is 80% republican (thanks to the Cuban exiles ). If condoms are free here, I think its reasonable assumption that they are given away in the rest of the country.

Condoms are not an effective means of birth control. I'm talking about the pill here.

[lucid]

Anyone wanna come over to my house, get high, and talk about how much the US sux?

[Y2A]

The idea that legalizing drugs would cause a massive outbreak of drug use is ridiculous. First off, the Netherlands legalizes use of soft drugs yet in comparrison to the United States the Netherlands has less drug use per capita. Second, the cost of keeping drugs illegal is a heavy burden on the U.S economy. It costs $20,000+ a year to keep a single inmate in jail and with mandatory sentences for marijuana use that adds up. Would you rather that money be used to keep people in jail for smoking marijuana or to provide social programs for more American citizens or possibly give some tax relief to the American public?

Also the idea that keeping drug users in jail will somehow "save" them from going the wrong way in life is ridiculous. Yes, because we all know that locking up a marijuana user with hardened criminals will "help them".

We must also take into account the fact that keeping marijuana illegal helps fund organized crime as prohibition helped fund organized crime. Legalizing it would only make it easier to regulate. Also marijuana can be taxed to help lower the deficit.

And last but not least, it is a matter of freedom. No one has the right to tell another what to do. Sorry kid, I refuse to live in a nanny state and so do many others.

[Osman Ghazi]

Those who think that if you smoke weed, you won't try anything else, have just started smoking or they have never smoked!

This is the biggest lie about weed and the example of Amsterdam proves it. It is not the weed that makes you do something harder, it's the criminal connections. The weed has nothing to do with it, really. In the Netherlands, where they have legalized weed, the average cocaine addict is 40 years old, as opposed to 18 in the U$.

[Urban Rubble]

Once again proving that MM doesn't have any facts to back his shit up.

[Guest1]

By that logic, legalizing assault weapons and giving them away to everyone will make murder rates go down.
Oh yeah, cause assault weapons are exactly like smoking up.


There is no way to make EVERYONE happy, no matter what you do.
Yet you have found a way to make sure almost everyone isn't.

Why the fuck are you a Communist if not to make people happy?

[DaCuBaN]

By that logic, legalizing assault weapons and giving them away to everyone will make murder rates go down.

Well.... technically that's what the U$ does - anyone can own a gun and that amounts to the same thing in my book ($9.95 all good bookstores :P )

[Guest1]

Uhh, it doesn't work too well. The US has a pretty high rate of murders per capita. Plus you speak of semi-automatics at the most, he's speaking of assault rifles and the full out military hardware.

However, unlike assault weapons, where it has statistically been negative, legalizing marijuana has been statistically positive. Holland has already proven it, we're not talking about a theory that applies to everything. We're talking about just pure fact, not ideological arguments: criminalizing drug use encourages it.

[DaCuBaN]

I was under the impression that fully automatic weapons are readily available to the public in some states. And as if even HAVING a gun in a civilian environment isn't bad enough anyway.


legalizing marijuana has been statistically positive. Holland has already proven it, we're not talking about a theory that applies to everything. We're talking about just pure fact, not ideological arguments: criminalizing drug use encourages it.

In all honesty, I'm not sure I really agree with this, despite it being in my best interests. I was reading a while back that they're trying to tighten up controls in Amsterdam - allowing only Dutch passport holders access to the coffeeshops. This would be a mixed blessing: For starters I'd have to stop my bi-annual trips or become a dutch national! What it would mean though is that they are taking it seriously and applying real law to it, rather than merely tolerating it as they do now. If nothing else thats some cappies taking a step in the right direction.

Simply put I can't believe anyone would take the whole 'drugs are bad' argument in the first place... i could understand the comment 'drugs fucked me up' but anything else is just jumping to conclusion based on stastics - and considering statistics are the greatest tool of capitalism, and the easiest manipulated to be used for propoganda we really shouldn't be setting any store by them.

Beside, it was the yanquis government who tell you this. You don't actually believe them, do you? :blink:

[Osman Ghazi]

Umm... you guys have never been to Switzerland, have you? They have this crazy kind of obsessino with defending themselves, so every male between the ages of 18 and 49 has to own and train regularly with an assault rifle.

And to top it all off, they don't go around killing each other. Not regularly, at least.

[truthaddict11]

Originally posted by Osman [email protected] 19 2004, 06:57 AM
Umm... you guys have never been to Switzerland, have you? They have this crazy kind of obsessino with defending themselves, so every male between the ages of 18 and 49 has to own and train regularly with an assault rifle.

And to top it all off, they don't go around killing each other. Not regularly, at least.
yeah i read about that, i heard that it is common to see people walking the streets with thier gun.

[cubist]

thjeyu can't tighten up controls, as the tourist trade of holland runs on cannabis well at least in amsterdam i spent £300 quid on food coffee and gear whilst there for 4 days, i am going at the end of june too

[DaCuBaN]

Umm... you guys have never been to Switzerland, have you? They have this crazy kind of obsessino with defending themselves, so every male between the ages of 18 and 49 has to own and train regularly with an assault rifle.


I didn't think they had a standing army though - aren't they the current model for the 'militia' that most folks talk about when they suggest abolishment of the standing armed forces?

[Guest1]

Drug use stastistics for marijuana went dramatically up a first when they legalized it, but then it tapered off and actually returned to lower levels than when it was illegal.

[MiDnIgHtMaRaUdEr]

The US might have high drug usage rates, because our culture encourages drug use, and we do not have the means to enforce the laws passed. Drugs are banned, and people still use them. In a country like Cuba, in which the government has the means to enforce the laws they pass, drug useage is lower then it is here or in Holland or what have you. The Cuban government has been known to execute major drug traffickers.

[Osman Ghazi]

I didn't think they had a standing army though - aren't they the current model for the 'militia' that most folks talk about when they suggest abolishment of the standing armed forces?

Ya, it is actually a working model of a people's army.

[Y2A]

Drug Trafficking and Drug Use are very different things MM. I've already pointed out how this is a burden on the U.S economy and the fact that drug users come out of jail worse then before due to their time spent locked up with hardened criminals due to mandatory sentences. All you have done is gone on and on and on about you silly theories of the the U.S falling into a state of havoc if drugs are legalized with no proof what so ever.

[Guest1]

It should give you pause to know that most people on this site are actually siding with Y2A against you.

Doesn't that embarass you a little bit? Maybe give you a little doubt in your opinions and an incentive to admit the possibility of being wrong? The possibility that there might be another way? That people have the right to harm themselves if they want?

[Non-Sectarian Bastard!]

Originally posted by [email protected] 18 2004, 02:15 PM

Wouldn't this require a massive controll sytem + strong central gov't, which would pave the way for a policestate a la USSR.

What? You thought I was an anarchist? A "police state" doesn't sound like too bad of idea to me. I think you simply don't like the idea of being able to hold criminals in account for their actions.


Surely Socialism doesn't have to mean that you give up individuality. Increasing the production isn't what Socialism is about. Lots of workers are already part of a productive system, but aren't happy. That's why they choose Socialism and not Capitalism. We shouldn't produce more then necessary. And use the rest of the time for other matters, important to the person himself and the community. If that is smoking pot or getting drunk, so be it.

We are talking about a country, not a theme park. There is no way to make EVERYONE happy, no matter what you do. Perhaps you mean we shouldn't produce any more then the enough to satisfy everyones basic necessities? We can never produce enough. Our survival depends on our resourcefulness. Once we have housing, transportation, clothing, education, etc taken care of, there are still other things that you can never do enough for that need to be done, like having a space program, or a huge laboritory dedicated to trying to figure out a way to finally get fusion power. Rest time nessessary, as we are more then just working machines, but yet I see living to one's potential as essential to our survival.
We are going in the wrong direction with this discussion, but my countervoice:


USSR failed on many aspects

-Leaders were not equals of the proletarian. Leaders were all powerfull and the proletarian all powerless, exactly why we oppose facism.

-Leaders were priviliged. Leaders got nice big cars and nice houses, while the proles had Lada's and appartments. Not very solidair nor communistic.

-Individuality was strongly oppressed, creating a mindless facist type of citizen, exactly why the inhabitants of Imperialist countries dont arise.

-Downfall in arts, music, poetry and intellectuality. Since citizens were not allowed to think freely for themselves and were constantly afraid of praising the "wrong" artist. Picasso is an example of this, altough Picasso was Communistic, his artform was rejected by the Party. Something which I as an art-lover and sometimes even Picasso-admirer would hate to see.

-Oppression, exploitation. The citizens were without power, making them the oppressed ones. When giving someone 100% power over you, you can bet on it that it will be abused. Decisions against your interrest. Only one person knows how to handle in your interrest and that's you. Most people are intelligent and know their interrest.


We are not working machines, we got a mind FFS, lets fucking use it and develop it. Up to nirvana! :P

[Nick Yves]

I know this is a late reply, but really, there is nothing wrong with a little weed here and there. In some aspects not only can it relax a person, but it can allow them to see things in different aspects.

[Urban Rubble]

HA ! Jetgrind you fruitbooting bastard, haven't seen you around here in ages. Where you been ?

[MiDnIgHtMaRaUdEr]

-Leaders were not equals of the proletarian. Leaders were all powerfull and the proletarian all powerless, exactly why we oppose facism.

With the exception of the Stalin era, the leaders were not "all powerful" and the proletarians were not powerless.


-Leaders were priviliged. Leaders got nice big cars and nice houses, while the proles had Lada's and appartments. Not very solidair nor communistic.

Corruption is something that has existed in every government in every country, and its something we should constantly fight against. I think however, you are blowing that out of proportion. A common accusation by right-wingers are that all people are slaves of the government while the leaders walk off with billions. I think you have been listening to a few too many of their theories.


-Individuality was strongly oppressed, creating a mindless facist type of citizen, exactly why the inhabitants of Imperialist countries dont arise.

Individuality was not opposed, what was opposed were the old traditions, old thoughts, and old ideas of a dead, reactionary regime that sought to divide people along ethnic, religious, and class lines.


-Downfall in arts, music, poetry and intellectuality. Since citizens were not allowed to think freely for themselves and were constantly afraid of praising the "wrong" artist. Picasso is an example of this, altough Picasso was Communistic, his artform was rejected by the Party. Something which I as an art-lover and sometimes even Picasso-admirer would hate to see.

Yes, Stalin did get rather carried away no?


-Oppression, exploitation. The citizens were without power, making them the oppressed ones. When giving someone 100% power over you, you can bet on it that it will be abused. Decisions against your interrest. Only one person knows how to handle in your interrest and that's you. Most people are intelligent and know their interrest.

When one person has 100% power over you, then yes, that power will be abused, but when the power to do what is best for everyone lies in the hands of the people through the communist party, then decisions will be made that will benefit everyone as a whole. Most people do know what is best for THEIR OWN interests, but decisions must be made that have the interest of everyone has a whole in mind.


We are not working machines, we got a mind FFS, lets fucking use it and develop it. Up to nirvana!

By all means, use and develop your mind. I encourage you to do so. Grow and expand, just do not waste your mind, and do not squander the precious knowledge that you have gained. You might want to reconsider that "nirvana" thing though...

[Take the Power back]

To keep the topic on marijuana, if it was discovered instead of tobacco, and tobacco had came later, who knows hwta the laws would be today. Alcohol is old and established; it isn't going anywhere. Tobacco, though killing many, is a huge money-making machine, it isn't going anywhere either. Pot has gotten lost in the mix.

[Guest1]

Pot is on its way in though. Bigtime, there will be an explosion in it. Once countries start experimenting with total legalization across the entire nation, every country will.

The profit value is just too high, and the budget saving value, considering how much money goes down the drain to fight it, is immense.

Canada's NDP is for total legalisation, and unlimited growing. Let's see where that goes, they've got like 18% in the polls right now and could very well be pivotal in deciding how policy goes after this election. Especially since the Liberals will likely have a minority government.

[Sense-A]

lol

a couple years ago I found that same poster on the internet. I printed about 20 copies from the school library and posted it all over campus as a joke. The next day at school i noticed someone tore them all down.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

You're all a bunch of fucking necromancers.

[SmithSmith]

Pro freedom of choice. Legalize all drugs. You cannot protect people from themselves. Society should educate people about the negative and positive effects of drugs then it is up to individuals whether they wanna do drugs or not.

Victim-less choices should not be criminalized.

By the way, define drug.

[which doctor]

Originally posted by [email protected] 4 2006, 07:57 PM
By the way, define drug.
Mind-altering substance.

and I just contributed to the necromancy.

[red team]

Exactly my position. I don't use it but I don't mind others using it.

You'll change your tune once you get runned over by a intoxicated driver. Instead driving drunk which is a bad thing, let's have people drive while stoned. :lol:

MidnightMarauder:
You're missing the point. Some people will always act stupid and will choose anything to get intoxicated with including sniffing nail polish and glue. Take away the well known narcotics and you'll get a market for nail polish and spray paint. :lol:

[Avtomatov]

i agree with midnight marauder, smoking pot and getting drunk is not fun at all. I do smoke cigarettes for my anxiety. I smoke pot a few times a year, usually its because a cute girl wants to get stoned with me. But its not pleasurable at all, it feals horrible. And it makes me depressed. One time when i was drunk i kept drinking because i was depressed, i almost died and i was in a coma for 9 hours. I cry alot when im drunk, and i cut myself when im drunk. If its winter sometimes i lie in snowbanks with no coat and get frostbite when im drunk. Its not fun. Alcohol is worse then pot though. Although pot makes you stupid, all my old friends who do pot like everyday are fucking stupid all they talk about is quads and pot.

And drugs are not victimless. For one thing the person being sold the drugs and having the drugs pushed on them is a victim. And the people that get in car accidents with drunk drivers are victims. And the people who get shot and beat up over drugs.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

i agree with midnight marauder, smoking pot and getting drunk is not fun at all.

Millions of people disagree with you. As do I.


smoke pot a few times a year, usually its because a cute girl wants to get stoned with me. But its not pleasurable at all, it feals horrible. And it makes me depressed. One time when i was drunk i kept drinking because i was depressed, i almost died and i was in a coma for 9 hours. I cry alot when im drunk, and i cut myself when im drunk. If its winter sometimes i lie in snowbanks with no coat and get frostbite when im drunk.

Somebody call the whaaaaaaaaaaambulance, it looks like we have someone is congenitally incapable of drinking responsibly and sucks at smoking pot.

Most people are simply not as lame as you, or have your lack of self-control.


And drugs are not victimless. For one thing the person being sold the drugs and having the drugs pushed on them is a victim.

No they're not. They're just buying drugs.


And the people that get in car accidents with drunk drivers are victims.

Victims of recklessness and criminal irresponsibility, but not of drugs. I suppose you want to outlaw being tired as well? Tired driving is as bad as drunk driving.

By sitting at home and sparking up a blunt, I'm not harming anyone else.


And the people who get shot and beat up over drugs.

Crap like that wouldn't happen if they were legal - alcohol is legally available to the adult population, but you don't see the gangs dealing it now do you?

In conclusion: You are a miserable bore with no self-control and apparently no cannabinoid receptors (Which I find hard to believe personally) Just because you don't enjoy taking drugs doesn't mean you can ruin everyone else's fun with your verbal diahorrhea.

[Marx_was_right!]

In conclusion: You are a miserable bore with no self-control and apparently no cannabinoid receptors
So he's not a cannibal? :huh: So what? That's bad? :blink:


Just because you don't enjoy taking drugs doesn't mean you can ruin everyone else's fun with your verbal diahorrhea.
I don't smoke, drink also. If that spoils ur fun then u aren't haveing any.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

Were you born stupid or did you train?


So he's not a cannibal? :huh: So what? That's bad? :blink:

I'm talking about Cannabinoids (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabinoid), which attatch to Cannabinoid receptors (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabinoid_receptor) in the brain and make you high.


I don't smoke, drink also. If that spoils ur fun then u aren't haveing any.

No, it doesn't. You don't sound utterly miserable and make drinking out to be some form of torture. You do sound utterly retarded however.

[Marx_was_right!]

I'm talking about Cannabinoids, which attatch to Cannabinoid receptors in the brain and make you high.
What's that to do with the price of fish in China?


No, it doesn't. You don't sound utterly miserable and make drinking out to be some form of torture. You do sound utterly retarded however.
At lease I don't advocate eating dead people on a revolutionary forum. :rolleyes:

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

What's that to do with the price of fish in China?

Cannabinoids have nothing to do with cannibalism, dipshit.


At lease I don't advocate eating dead people on a revolutionary forum. :rolleyes:

How about you fuck off, troll?

[Marx_was_right!]

Cannabinoids have nothing to do with cannibalism, dipshit.

How about you look up the origin of the word and its relation to cannibalism before you accuse someone of being a troll?

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

Originally posted by Marx_was_right!@Jul 5 2006, 09:34 AM

Cannabinoids have nothing to do with cannibalism, dipshit.

How about you look up the origin of the word and its relation to cannibalism before you accuse someone of being a troll?
Etymology of Cannabis (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabis#Etymology)

I see no mention of cannibalism there. Now unless you can show me otherwise, shut the fuck up.

[mandedani]

Originally posted by [email protected] 10 2004, 01:40 AM
It's true. Marijuana is extremely deadly and causes murder, insanity and death. How dare you trivialize its effects. :D
Marijuana expands the mind and helps deep thought occur. It kills nobody, it makes nobody insane; it just frees people. As captain Ahab said, "i am madness maddened! " You are all insane right now; being controlled and dazed by the dream of life; dragging onward just because it's what youve always done. By escaping this reality, with or without the assistance of this plant, you are freeing your mind from the chains of society.

[Avtomatov]

pot head.

[robo]

Originally posted by [email protected] 11 2004, 11:23 AM

Oh dear God you have some warped view of what it is to be stoned. Smoking hash is a release from intellectual pursuits for me. I do more reading and study I am sure than you plus music is a large part of my lfe (I play guitar etc.). I have stimulating debates with friends on everything from Kant, attention spans to the negative effects of liberalism.

So once in a while I get stoned and for an hour or so my mind is a haze or cententment. No harm done, when I am done its back to the normal pursuits of life with no effects whatsoever.

Sleep does that job much better, and its actually beneficial.


I get pissed too and damn do I have a good time. You are most likely afraid of losing control, a trait that is noble but does not equate that others cant handle it. I can so keep your musing about drugs out of it.

There plenty of better ways to have a good time then "getting pissed". I am not afraid of losing control, though I am usually a very modest person. I just dont like seeing communities harmed by drugs.
Getting drunk and stoned should not be banned. I'm fairly drunk right now, and extremely satisfied with the outcome. It definitely helps me wind down after a hard days work, and is a hell of a lot more fun than studying (no offense). While studying may be (theoretically) more beneficial for your brain and just knowledge overall, I think that drinking also opens up a wide variety of experiences that you just would have the chance to encounter sober.


BRAIN FOOOOD

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

Originally posted by [email protected] 8 2006, 02:37 AM
pot head.
I'm stoned right now, and even I can see that's hardly an argument and bordering on spam. Consider this an unofficial warning.

[robo]

Originally posted by NoXion+Jul 8 2006, 05:07 AM--> (NoXion @ Jul 8 2006, 05:07 AM)
[email protected] 8 2006, 02:37 AM
pot head.
I'm stoned right now, and even I can see that's hardly an argument and bordering on spam. Consider this an unofficial warning. [/b]
I don't see how in a communist society marijuana would be detrimental for the community. I mean in our society now, because of money, drug dealers are tempted to fight over terf, replace real drugs with much more dangerous, cheaper alternatives, etc. That's the kind of stuff that fucks with the community, its not the actual smoking/ingesting of the marijuana.

As far as killing brain cells, thc primarily affects the hippocampus, which is pretty much just short term memory, and thats done as soon as you come down from your high.

[Zero]

Originally posted by "red team"
Instead driving drunk which is a bad thing, let's have people drive while stoned.
Suddenly everyone would be driving at about 10 miles an hour and freaking out in the front seat.

[Janus]

I was about to actually respond when I saw how old this thread is. So let's all just post no more in this thread and let it fade away...

[Jazzratt]

Originally posted by [email protected] 11 2006, 07:26 PM
I was about to actually respond when I saw how old this thread is. So let's all just post no more in this thread and let it fade away...
People wouldn't have resurrected it if it wasn't something they wanted to discuss.

[Janus]

Sure, but everything that could have been said has been said.