returning to the homeland

[commieboy]

Should someone return back to the begining of their natural existance in times of need? Like war, famine, etc.

Like the jews of Israel?

Is it a duty to one's home?

[elijahcraig]

One has no duty to a homeland or a race. Period.

[El Tipo]

I agree with elijahcraig. I would return to save my family/friends/relatives all those I really love and I could fight for them if there were no way to surrender or so.

[BOZG]

Should someone return back to the begining of their natural existance in times of need? Like war, famine, etc.

Like the jews of Israel?

Is it a duty to one's home?

Our duty is to the proleteriat and the proleteriat only, not family, not religion, not nationality and not race.

[Wenty]

What makes the proletariat so special that they deserve our undivided attention?

Surely our duty should be to people suffering injustice throughout the world. This isn't always the proletariat (things have changed since Marx's time somewhat), we should be willing to help anyone and everyone that needs it.

[BOZG]

By proletariat I wasn't referring to just industrial workers but all those that are wage-labourers, small farmers who make a minimal living etc. Anyone who really faces the brunt of injustice is more than likely of the lower classes.


Edit: Spelling mistake

[socialistfuture]

personally i have no feeling of connection to where i live. i like nature regardless of where it is. and think ppl anywhere can be decent... also ruthless and killers.

so for me i have no feeling of homeland. maybe that would be different if there was a dictator here.. then i might feel an alligience with the ppl here a duty to remove him (her?). i think it has in sum ays been a good think for socialism... nicaragua, cuba, the mexican revolution... when there is a common enemy ppl can work toegther to have a better existance... hopefully bush will do that for america.

for people who are not white like me and a speaker of english, it may be different.
some cultures are dying out, tradition and language.. some ppl have sacred sites to their culture... so i wont tell that what to do coz i am not in that situation and i dont know how it would feel.

in the end i feel we must help and care for each other regardless. i do not blame immigrants and refugees for the worlds problems.

[Pedro Alonso Lopez]

Originally posted by [email protected] 10 2004, 01:20 AM
Should someone return back to the begining of their natural existance in times of need? Like war, famine, etc.

Like the jews of Israel?

Is it a duty to one's home?

Only if it was a question of saving a culture. For issues of religion, patriotism or nationalism not so. To defend your land not for king nor kaiser but for your family against blatent aggressors and of course if your country was under attack from any kind of fascist regime then you would but generally your allegiance should be with the worker especially for any Marxist here.

[LSD]

Should someone return back to the begining of their natural existance in times of need? Like war, famine, etc.

Yes.


......and no.


It's really a personal decision.

If you feel that your family/friends are in need, then you should probably help them. if you feel that you have an obligation to defend those you grew up with or who raised you than that is a justifiable decision. That is not to say that nationalism is defendable, but rather that practical decisions which happen to correspond with what could be considered nationalism can be.

Remember, "patriotism is the conviction that our country is superior to others because we were born there," but that doesn't mean that it is always wrong. If you need to fight to achieve a definable aim that will help you or help those you care about, than it is a moral choice.

But blind patriotism is always wrong.

[Hate Is Art]

I don't understand your question CommieBoy?

Revert back to natural existance? Like turning into one celled creatures again?

[cubist]

thats like asking should i be proud of my country even though it murders innocent no hostile civillians, through an un authorised war in search of WMD, which War Mongers can't Discover, possibly becuase they don't exist possibly becuase they are using an old map

[Essential Insignificance]

Man has know intrinsic "obligation"…although he does have "priorities". Same more so then others in, that is, their time arrangement for a particular cause or reason.

[elijahcraig]

Our duty is to the proleteriat and the proleteriat only, not family, not religion, not nationality and not race.

We also have no "duty...to the proletariat and the proletariat only."

[Pawn Power]

the only obligation one has is to humankind and to the workers of the world!

[Essential Insignificance]

the only obligation one has is to humankind and to the workers of the world!

It’s not an "obligation" but rather a "choice"…and a grand selection at that. Most, sooner or latter will agree with that of your opinion , but at the moment its not reality…but it will be.