Condoleeza Rice

[Capitalist Imperial]

Well, I am for one fully satisfied with Ms. Rice's deposition. I thnk that what she said made sense.

Hey, hindsight is 20/20, and yes, there has always been a watch on terrorism, even pre 9/11. However, the specifics of the 9/11 attack were not known.

To suggest that Bush or the government "let it happen" a la some conspiracy theory (conspiracy theories are among the most predictable and cliche of leftist thinking ) is to illustrate that you ignorant leftists are more stupid and pathetic that we know that you already are.


Weak Pukes

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I really don't see how her "testimony" showed anything.

[Individual]

As much as I can't stand the woman.

She was right in one aspect of what she said.

She reiterated that the attacks at 9/11 would have happened regardless. We cannot secure this Nation from every knook and cranny. Things will happen, and we can't prepare for all of them.

Let's say that we could prepare for those things, are we willing to sacrifice most of our freedoms in order to prevent this? This is really what it comes down too.

Now what Condoleeza said that really threw me off, was that about Saudi Arabia. She said the the government of Saudi Arabia is fully cooperative, and she basically thanked/acknowledged Saudi's willingness to protect the US from terrorism. I acquired quite a smirk from this, but hey; all politicians exagerate.

Bush and Co. do want to win the re-election, why would they tell the truth?

;)

[Intifada]

one fact that has made me wonder is, how come a second plane was allowed to crash into the tower?

they must have known that the plane had been hijacked, and after the first attack they would have at least protected the rest of new york, right?

:huh:

[Loknar]

Originally posted by [email protected] 8 2004, 06:19 PM
one fact that has made me wonder is, how come a second plane was allowed to crash into the tower?

they must have known that the plane had been hijacked, and after the first attack they would have at least protected the rest of new york, right?

:huh:
It wasnt clear until the 2nd one hit that we were under attack. People assumed t hat the 1st plane crashing was merely an accident. F-16's would have shot down the 4th plane had it not crashed.

[toastedmonkey]

One thing i didnt get was at the end, when she said "america has learned it lesson, we must always be on the offensive as defence won't stop everything"

So we must always be killing them, just in case one day they may kill one of ours???!!!
thats crazy, but what can you expect form a war mungering government?

[Intifada]

It wasnt clear until the 2nd one hit that we were under attack. People assumed t hat the 1st plane crashing was merely an accident. F-16's would have shot down the 4th plane had it not crashed.

but wouldn't they know if another plane had been hijacked?

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They couldn't stop the first plane or the second.
The plane that hit the pentagon...they should have had a chance at that....but who knows really.
Now the plan that crashed in a field. I think it was shot down. Conspiracy? Perhaps

[Dirty Commie]

Had the USA never gotten into interfering with the Middle east, this never would have happened. Back in '53 we overthrew Mohammed Mossadegh in Iran and started the bloody mess that we have now. When the Ayatollah took over in '72(around then) he sponsored anti-american attacks. And rtightfully so, we caused the people of Iran two decades of tyranny, at the very least the Ayatollah was popular.

And supporting the Saudi dictators is stupid. they are worse than Saddam Hussein was. But they sell us oil, so it's "ok" to look the other way while they oppress women, ethnic minorities, political movements and the like.

[Intifada]

dont forget islam karimov of uzbekistan.

[Hate Is Art]

thats american double standards for you.

[elijahcraig]

It's funny how by capitalist standards, simply stating the "obvious" (that 9-11 attacks probably would have happened regardless) makes you a "great woman," etc.

[Y2A]

Originally posted by [email protected] 8 2004, 07:28 PM

It wasnt clear until the 2nd one hit that we were under attack. People assumed t hat the 1st plane crashing was merely an accident. F-16's would have shot down the 4th plane had it not crashed.

but wouldn't they know if another plane had been hijacked?
Of course. It was the CIA, Mossad, Hitler, Pol Pot, etc... working together to attack the evil U.$ empire inorder to take oil from the middle east. Anyone who doesn't see this is blinded by capitalist propaganda.

[Don't Change Your Name]

Originally posted by Capitalist [email protected] 8 2004, 05:24 PM
To suggest that Bush or the government "let it happen" a la some conspiracy theory (conspiracy theories are among the most predictable and cliche of leftist thinking ) is to illustrate that you ignorant leftists are more stupid and pathetic that we know that you already are.


Weak Pukes
Actually in all the time I've been in this forum you are the most ignorant idiot I've seen.
Hey! Inf act you are one of the most ignorant idiots I've ever known that lied in this planet! Plus you depend on what your stupid leader tells you!

[Intifada]

Of course. It was the CIA, Mossad, Hitler, Pol Pot, etc... working together to attack the evil U.$ empire inorder to take oil from the middle east. Anyone who doesn't see this is blinded by capitalist propaganda.

@ "all-knowing" Y2A

my question was not trying to fuel conspiracy theories.

:rolleyes:

[Red Skyscraper]

Whenever a commercial airliner steers off its course on the radar, the military must send jets to intercept the planes. Anyone who says that the US government was incapable of stopping 9/11 is gravely mistaken. This coupled with the fact that Bush did absolutely nothing for a long period of time after being notified of the second plane hitting the South Tower goes to show the level of heavy incompetency on the Bush leadership. Also, the fact that Bush took several months on a hiatus to Crawford Texas is also inexcusable.

[mysticofthewest]

As long as we get our money the U.S.A doesn't give a Damn about the world if the middle east didn't have oil they could roit in hell for all the U.S. cares

[synthesis]

Originally posted by Capitalist [email protected] 8 2004, 10:24 AM
To suggest that Bush or the government "let it happen" a la some conspiracy theory (conspiracy theories are among the most predictable and cliche of leftist thinking ) is to illustrate that you ignorant leftists are more stupid and pathetic that we know that you already are.
I don't think it's that outlandish to propose that the government didn't have any idea it was going to happen.

For example, read this article.

http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/02_11_02_lucy.html

There's evidence that it was at the very least ignored; there's a motive for allowing the attacks to happen; there's a history of sacrificing innocent civilians for American business interests.

[peaccenicked]

look here for a laughhttp://www.bettybowers.com/condoleezza.html

[Hampton]

BEN-VENISTE: Isn't it a fact, Dr. Rice, that the August 6 PDB warned against possible attacks in this country? And I ask you whether you recall the title of that PDB?

RICE: I believe the title was, "Bin Laden Determined to Attack Inside the United States."

Thanks Condi.

[Sabocat]

I find it odd that the Air Force couldn't be scrambled to track 4 passenger jets that the towers knew were off course and not reporting yet, when Payne Stewart's (the golfer) private Lear Jet wandered off course a couple of F1-6's were quickly scrambled and tracked it across half the country. That was standard operating procedure for the FAA. Why would anything have been different on 9-11?

It's bullshit that they couldn't have caught those planes.


Stewart's flight originated in Sanford, Florida, and was headed for Texas, where Stewart was scheduled to participate in a golf tournament.

Air traffic controllers lost contact with the plane after clearing it to ascend to 39,000 feet near Gainesville, Florida.

U.S. Air Force fighter pilots who intercepted the plane and followed it to Missouri were unable to contact its pilots. Pilots of those fighters have told investigators that the windshield of the Learjet was frosted over and the passengers were "non-responsive."

The jet continued on its ghostly flight, apparently controlled by autopilot, before running out of fuel and crashing in a South Dakota field with over 100 times the force of gravity.

http://www.cnn.com/US/9911/23/stewart.crash.03/

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I loved this quote also from the Rice testimony...


Dick Clarke had told me, I think in a memorandum -- I remember it as being only a line or two -- that there were al Qaeda cells in the United States.

[Capitalist Imperial]

Originally posted by [email protected] 9 2004, 03:16 AM

BEN-VENISTE: Isn't it a fact, Dr. Rice, that the August 6 PDB warned against possible attacks in this country? And I ask you whether you recall the title of that PDB?

RICE: I believe the title was, "Bin Laden Determined to Attack Inside the United States."

Thanks Condi.
By this logic, if I say:

"Hampton is going to cook something inside the United States"

Then we should all know and predict that Hampton will bake a Spinach Souffle at 332 Winding Way in Pierre, South Dakota on May 8th, 2006, and be ready for him.

Please, even you trite pundits know that it was ostensible that Bin Laden wanted to attack in the USA. He already did, remember? He was associated with the WTC bombing in '93 during the Clinton Administration, after which Clinton did pretty much nothing.


Thanks, Billy

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You'd think that if there were threats (even if they were vague), the country would be put on watch. When news of "hijacked planes" were known, you'd hope that the US would be ready (given that a threat had existed).

What did bush do when he heard about the plane hitting the WTC? Nothing! He stayed in the classroom with some kids while they finished their little book...awwww, How sweet. Meanwhile, thousands of people were dying.

[Capitalist Imperial]

Originally posted by (*@Apr 9 2004, 09:12 PM
You'd think that if there were threats (even if they were vague), the country would be put on watch. When news of "hijacked planes" were known, you'd hope that the US would be ready (given that a threat had existed).

What did bush do when he heard about the plane hitting the WTC? Nothing! He stayed in the classroom with some kids while they finished their little book...awwww, How sweet. Meanwhile, thousands of people were dying.

You'd think that if there were threats (even if they were vague), the country would be put on watch. When news of "hijacked planes" were known, you'd hope that the US would be ready (given that a threat had existed).


Even if there was news of hijacked planes, which there was not until after the 2nd plane hit, a Kamikaze-style use of them would not have been a concern. It would have been assumed, like with all hijackings before, that there would be some sort of standoff and negotiations. The 9/11 attacks were groundbbreaking from a terrorist perspective.


What did bush do when he heard about the plane hitting the WTC? Nothing! He stayed in the classroom with some kids while they finished their little book...awwww, How sweet. Meanwhile, thousands of people were dying.

That is because at that point he just thought it was a single bad accident. Not until the 2nd plane hit did people start to realize that it was an attack.

[(*]

Originally posted by Capitalist [email protected] 9 2004, 05:38 PM

That is because at that point he just thought it was a single bad accident. Not until the 2nd plane hit did people start to realize that it was an attack.
I find it hard to believe that the President, with all his resources, had the exact same information as you and I.

[pandora]

For More Info on Condeleeze Rice read "Bush Women" she was a falled college leftist given a assistant professorship due to AFFIRMATIVE ACTION to stanford after being cradled by Madeline Alebright's father at Denver U as a specialist in USSR/ US relations, learned Russian

She then deserted her Communist Comrades, no none of her former leftist professors have gotten a call back in the last five years, and was a LAP DOG of the HOOVER INSTITUTE of Stanford, where she became the bionic woman of the party line.

The Hoover Institute basically ran Bush's campaign against Ann Richards, a decent governor with voter appeal, and won it for him by creating the "Compassionate[meaning Christian] Conservative" platform.

They created her entire world view for one purpose to promote spin against communism, for oil, and to hide the white man's interests behind a black woman's face.

All we want to know is how much? How much did they offer you Condi to desert your comrades, your community, your race, and the health of this planet. All that comes out of your mouth now is lies.

[(*]

Originally posted by Capitalist [email protected] 9 2004, 05:38 PM

Even if there was news of hijacked planes, which there was not until after the 2nd plane hit, a Kamikaze-style use of them would not have been a concern. It would have been assumed, like with all hijackings before, that there would be some sort of standoff and negotiations. The 9/11 attacks were groundbbreaking from a terrorist perspective.


Apparently there are documents mentioning al qaeda plans to hijack planes to crash into the U.S. Embassy (In Nairobi, I believe)

[Commie Girl]

Originally posted by [email protected] 8 2004, 09:16 PM

BEN-VENISTE: Isn't it a fact, Dr. Rice, that the August 6 PDB warned against possible attacks in this country? And I ask you whether you recall the title of that PDB?

RICE: I believe the title was, "Bin Laden Determined to Attack Inside the United States."

Thanks Condi.
:huh: This was obviously THE most important statement of her

testimony.....HELLO????

[MiDnIgHtMaRaUdEr]

Do you have a hard on for Condi?

[Fidel Castro]

(conspiracy theories are among the most predictable and cliche of leftist thinking )

:lol: That's rich from a Yanqui/cappie!

Remember when JFK was shot? The popular theory then was that it was either Castro or the Soviets who were responsible.

What about the supposed links between Al-Quieda and Saddam Hussein?

What about WMD in Iraq!?


Actually, come to think of it these wern't so much conspiracy theories, but plain LIES!

[elhumano]

She is just another depiction of why the Bush administration sucks. But we cant place all the blame on him. After all it was the "people" who elected him right? Maybe next time we wont get a past drug addict who's parents payed his way through Yale and we wont have these huge ass planes crashing into our buildings.