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Intifada
7th April 2004, 17:18
BAGHDAD: I heard the sound of freedom in Baghdad's Firdos Square, the famous plaza where the statue of Saddam Hussein was toppled one year ago. It sounds like machine-gun fire.

On Sunday, Iraqi soldiers, trained and controlled by coalition forces, opened fire on a demonstration here. As the protesters returned to their homes in the poor neighbourhood of Sadr City, the US army followed with tanks, helicopters and planes, firing at random on homes, shops, streets, even ambulances.

According to local hospitals, 47 people were killed and many more injured. In Najaf, the day was also bloody: 20 demonstrators dead, more than 150 injured. In Sadr City on Monday, funeral marches passed by US military tanks and the hospitals were overflowing with the injured. By afternoon, clashes had resumed.

MAKE NO MISTAKE: this is not the "civil war" that Washington has been predicting will break out between Sunnis, Shias and Kurds. Rather, it is a war provoked by the US occupation authority and waged by its forces against the growing number of Shia who support Moqtada al-Sadr.

Sadr is the younger, more radical rival of the Grand Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani and portrayed by his supporters as a cross between Ayatollah Khomeini and Che Guevara. He blames the US for attacks on civilians; compares the US occupation chief, Paul Bremer, to Saddam Hussein; aligns himself with Hamas and Hezbollah; and has called for a jihad against the controversial interim constitution. His Iraq might look a lot like Iran.

And it's a message with a market. With Sistani concentrating on lobbying the UN rather than on confronting the US-led occupation, many Shia are turning to the more militant tactics preached by Sadr. Some have joined the Mahdi, his black-clad army, which claims hundreds of thousands of members.

At first, Bremer responded to Sadr's growing strength by ignoring him; now he is attempting to provoke him into all-out battle. The trouble began when he closed down Sadr's newspaper last week, sparking a wave of peaceful demonstrations. On Saturday, Bremer raised the stakes further by sending coalition forces to surround Sadr's house near Najaf and arrest his communications officer.

Predictably, the arrest sparked immediate protests in Baghdad, which the Iraqi army responded to by opening fire and allegedly killing three people. At the end of the day on Sunday, Sadr called on his supporters to stop staging demonstrations and urged them to employ unnamed "other ways" to resist the occupation - a statement many interpreted as a call to arms.

On the surface, this chain of events is mystifying. With the so-called Sunni triangle in flames after the gruesome Falluja attacks, why is Bremer pushing the comparatively calm Shia south into battle?

Here's one possible answer: Washington has given up on its plans to hand over power to an interim Iraqi government on June 30, and is creating the chaos it needs to declare the handover impossible. A continued occupation will be bad news for George Bush on the campaign trail, but not as bad as if the hand-over happens and the country erupts, an increasingly likely scenario given the widespread rejection of the legitimacy of the interim constitution and the US-appointed governing council.

But by sending the new Iraqi army to fire on the people they are supposed to be protecting, Bremer has destroyed what slim hope they had of gaining credibility with an already highly mistrustful population. On Sunday, before storming the unarmed demonstrators, the soldiers could be seen pulling on ski masks, so they would not be recognized in their neighbourhoods later.

The coalition provisional authority is increasingly being compared on the streets to Saddam, who also didn't much like peaceful protests, or critical newspapers.

In an interview yesterday, Iraq's minister of communication, Haider al-Abadi, blasted the act that started the current wave of violence: the closing of Sadr's newspaper, al-Hawzah. Abadi, who is supposedly in charge of media in Iraq, says he was not even informed of the plan. Meanwhile, the man at the centre of it all - Moqtada al-Sadr - is having his hero status amplified by the hour.

On Sunday, all these explosive forces came together when thousands of demonstrators filled Firdos Square. On one side of the plaza, a couple of kids climbed to the top of a building and took a knife to a billboard advertising Iraq's new army.

On the other side, US forces pointed tanks at the crowd while a loudspeaker told them that "demonstrations are an important part of democracy but blocking traffic will not be permitted".

At the front of the square was the statue that the Americans put up in place of the toppled one of Saddam. Its faceless figures are supposed to represent the liberation of the Iraqi people. Today they are plastered with photographs of Moqtada al- Sadr.

-Dawn/The Guardian News Service.

lucid
7th April 2004, 17:54
Link to article. (http://www.townhall.com/columnists/jeffjacoby/jj20040402.shtml)

With all the news coming out of the Middle East, here is a detail you might have missed: A few weeks ago, the United Nations shut down the Ashrafi refugee camp in southwestern Iran. For years Ashrafi had been the largest facility in the world housing displaced Iraqis, tens of thousands of whom had been driven from their homes by Saddam Hussein's brutality. But with Saddam behind bars and his Baathist dictatorship crushed, Iraqi exiles have been flocking home. By mid-February the camp had literally emptied out. Now, the UN High Commissioner for Refugees reports, "nothing remains of Ashrafi but rubble and a few stones."

Refugees surging to Iraq? That isn't what the antiwar legions told us would happen if George Bush made good on his vow to end Saddam's reign of terror. Over and over they warned that a US invasion would trigger a humanitarian cataclysm, including a flood of refugees from Iraq. This, for instance, was Martin Sheen at a Los Angeles news conference a month before the war began:

"As the dogs of war slouch towards Baghdad, we need to be reminded that as many as 2 million refugees could become a reality, as well as half a million fatalities."

Writing on the left-wing website AlterNet last March, senior editor Tai Moses dreaded the coming of a war that "could create more than a million refugees in Iraq and neighboring countries." The BBC, citing a "confidential" UN document, predicted that up to 500,000 Iraqis would be seriously injured during the first phase of an American attack, while 1 million would flee the country and 2 million more would be internally displaced -- all compounded by an "outbreak of diseases in epidemic if not pandemic proportions." The Organization of the Islamic Conference foresaw the "displacement of hundreds of thousands of refugees," plus "total destruction and a humanitarian tragedy whose scale cannot be predicted."

Wrong, every one of them, along with all the other doomsayers, Bush-haters, "Not In Our Name" fanatics, and sundry "peace" activists who flooded the streets and the airwaves to warn of onrushing disaster. How many have had the integrity to admit that their visions of catastrophe were wildly off the mark? Or that if they had gotten their way, the foremost killer of Muslims alive today -- Saddam -- would still be torturing children before their parents' eyes? Instead they chant, "Bush lied, people died," and seize on every setback in Iraq as proof that they were right all along.

But they were wrong all along. Operation Iraqi Freedom stands as one of the great humanitarian achievements of modern times. For all the Bush administration's mistakes and miscalculations, for all the monumental challenges that remain, Iraq is vastly better off today than it was before the war.

And the Iraqi people know it.

In a nationwide survey conducted for ABC and the BBC by Britain's Oxford Research International, 56 percent of Iraqis say their lives are better now than before the war; only 19 percent say things are worse. Asked how things are going for them personally, seven out of 10 Iraqis say that life is good. Because of "Bush's war," Iraqis today brim with optimism. Fully 71 percent expect their lives to be even better a year from now; less than 7 percent say they'll be worse. Iraq today may just be the most upbeat, forward-looking country in the Arab world.

With hard work and a little luck, it may soon be the best governed as well. The interim constitution approved by the Iraqi Governing Council last month protects freedom of speech and assembly, guarantees the right to privacy, ensures equality for women, and subordinates the military to civilian control. It is, hands down, the most progressive constitution in the Arab Middle East.

Nearly a year after the fall of Baghdad, Iraq is hugely improved. Unemployment has been cut in half. Wages are climbing. The devastated southern marshlands are being restored. More Iraqis own cars and telephones than before Saddam was ousted. Some 2,500 schools have been rehabbed by the US-headed coalition. Spending on health care has soared thirtyfold, and millions of Iraqi children have been vaccinated. Iraqi athletes, no longer terrorized by Saddam's sadistic son Uday, are training for the summer Olympics in Greece.

Above all, Iraq's people are free. The horror and cruelty of the Saddam era are gone forever. In the 12 months since the American and British troops arrived, not one body has been added to a secret mass grave. Not one woman has been raped on government orders. Not one dissident has been mauled to death by trained killer dogs. Not one Kurdish village has been gassed.

Is everything rosy? Of course not. Could the transition to constitutional democracy still fail? Yes. Do innocent victims continue to die in horrific terror attacks, or at the hands of lynch mobs like the one that dragged the corpses of four Americans through the streets of Falluja this week? They do.

But none of that changes the bottom line: In the ancient land that America liberated, life is more beautiful and hopeful than it has been in many decades. Bush's foes may loudly deny it, but the refugees streaming homeward know better.

Intifada
7th April 2004, 18:01
One year on the human rights situation remains dire (http://web.amnesty.org/library/Index/ENGMDE140062004)

A year after US-led forces launched war on Iraq, the promise of improved human rights for Iraqis remains far from realized. Most Iraqis still feel unsafe in a country ravaged by violence.

Every day Iraqis face threats to their lives and security. Violence is endemic, whether in the form of attacks by armed groups, abuses by the occupying forces, or violence against women. Millions of people have suffered the consequences of destroyed or looted infrastructure, mass unemployment and uncertainty about their future. And there is little or no confidence that those responsible for past and present human rights abuses will be brought to justice.

There have been some welcome positive developments in the country, especially in the field of freedom of expression, association and assembly. Dozens of non-government organizations (NGOs), including organizations focusing on women's rights, have been established, more than 80 daily and weekly newspapers are published and scores of political parties and religious organizations have emerged.

The people of Iraq, however, urgently needs stability, security and peace, not more bloodshed. Their future must be based on justice and the rule of law. This report, published a year after the war began, outlines some of the major human rights concerns that must be addressed if such a future is to be secured.


Background
Before the war began on 20 March 2003, Amnesty International (AI) warned that military action would mean further suffering for a people who had already suffered terribly as a result of government repression and the devastating effects of economic sanctions. Some of AI's fears were borne out. Hundreds of Iraqi civilians were killed and injured during the war, some as a result of cluster bombs dropped by Coalition Forces. Homes and vital institutions were destroyed, and whole communities were cut off from electricity and water supplies.

By early April, US forces controlled Baghdad and UK forces controlled southern Iraq. On 1 May, US President George W. Bush declared the main combat operations over and soon after Paul Bremer, a former US diplomat, had been appointed as US Administrator for Iraq and Head of the Coalition Provisional Authority (CPA). Iraq was a defeated and occupied country.

On 24 April, AI delegates arrived in Basra -- the first time in 20 years that the organization had been able to visit Iraq. The overriding concern of everyone they met was the growing insecurity and violence. Basra was a city ravaged by looting and lawlessness, a city where women and girls were too frightened to go out alone for fear of rape, abduction and other violence.

Across Iraq, disorder, fear and insecurity prevailed. In most places, US and UK troops stood by as government buildings, offices, universities, schools, hospitals, museums, libraries and warehouses were ransacked and demolished. Countless documents vital to the future of Iraqis were burned or otherwise destroyed.

The Coalition Forces had removed the previous government's authority, but had demonstrably failed to provide the protection and assistance they were obliged to give the people whose land they were occupying. Under international humanitarian law, as occupying powers it was their duty to maintain and restore public order, and provide food, medical care and relief assistance. They failed in this duty, with the result that millions of Iraqis faced grave threats to their health and safety.

The problem of insecurity was heightened by the lack of appropriate policing and the wide availability of arms. An increase in serious abuses against women, including rape and murder, was reported, and scores of former Ba'ath Party and security force members were targeted in revenge attacks, particularly in the Shi'a dominated districts of Baghdad and in southern Iraq.

In July the CPA appointed a 25-member Iraqi Governing Council (IGC) from the various religious and ethnic groups. The Council had some executive powers, but Paul Bremer retained power to overrule or veto its decisions. In early September the IGC appointed an Iraqi interim government. The CPA and IGC agreed in November on a power transfer to an interim Iraqi government on 30 June 2004 and on 8 March 2004 the IGC signed an interim Constitution.

In the meantime, new Iraqi human rights non-governmental organizations, including women's groups, had begun to emerge and started work on a wide range of human rights activities, including documenting past and recent violations. New political parties and media outlets also emerged, and people freely organized demonstrations for the first time in decades to express their grievances. Reforms to the law introduced by the new authorities removed the shadow of the death penalty and closed down courts that had been a mockery to justice.

However, the positive developments, along with almost everything else, were constantly threatened by the mounting insecurity. AI repeatedly called on the occupying forces, as a matter of urgency, to enforce law and order until Iraqi police forces could operate effectively, and expedite the creation of an Iraqi police force.

Some progress in this direction has been made since the early months of the occupation, particularly in the south of Iraq. Iraqis interviewed by AI delegates in February and March 2004 in Basra and Amara, the two governorates under the control of British troops, said the general situation had improved, although lack of security was still a major concern. Members of religious minorities, such as Sunni Muslims, Christians and Sabean/Mandeans, felt they were being targeted for attacks and other abuses.

Elsewhere in Iraq, however, violence and insecurity continue to dominate daily life. Attacks on Iraqi police stations and Coalition Forces have steadily mounted. Most have taken place in central and northern Iraq, as well as in Baghdad, and have resulted in hundreds of deaths, mostly of Iraqis but also of US and other nationals.

As the first anniversary of the war approached, such attacks appeared to be intensifying. On 3 February US Brigadier General Mark Kimmitt said that there were an average of 23 engagements a day between US soldiers and "Iraqi insurgents", compared with 18 the week before.(1)

In response, Coalition Forces appear in many cases to be using the climate of violence to justify violating the very human rights standards they are supposed to be upholding. They have shot Iraqis dead during demonstrations. They have tortured and ill-treated prisoners and detainees. They have arrested people arbitrarily and held them indefinitely without charge and without access to a lawyer. They have demolished houses and other property in acts of revenge and collective punishment. And they are operating in a legal framework that offers no mechanism in Iraq for bringing members of the Coalition Forces to justice for such acts.

Killings of civilians

More than 10,000 Iraqi civilians are thought to have been killed since 20 March 2003 as a direct result of the military intervention in Iraq, either during the war or in violent incidents during the subsequent occupation. The number is an estimate - no one in authority in Iraq is willing or able to catalogue the killings. "We don't have the capacity to track all civilian casualties", admitted US Brigadier General Mark Kimmitt in February 2004.(2) A different attitude has been shown towards non-Iraqi civilians and soldiers who have been killed.

A year after the war began, Iraqi civilians are still being killed every day. The worst incidents receive some international coverage, but many killings simply go unreported. Often, the assailants are unknown. On 4 March 2004 an AFP journalist witnessed three Iraqi civilians being killed when a missile hit their car and exploded near a US military base in southwest Baghdad. Neither the journalist nor the Iraqi police could find out who fired the rocket, and the names of the victims were not published.(3)

Killings by Coalition Forces

Scores of civilians have been killed apparently as a result of excessive use of force by US troops or have been shot dead in disputed circumstances.

For example, US soldiers have shot and killed scores of Iraqi demonstrators in several incidents, including seven in Mosul on 15 April 2003, at least 15 in Falluja on 29 April and at least two outside the Republican Palace in Baghdad on 18 June.

In November 2003 the US military said it had paid out US $1.5 million to Iraqi civilians to settle claims by victims or relatives of victims for personal injury, death or damage to property. Some of the 10,402 claims reportedly filed concerned incidents in which US soldiers had shot dead or seriously wounded Iraqi civilians with no apparent cause.(4)

Beyond such payments, however, there has been little recourse for the families of the dead and injured. No US soldier has been prosecuted for illegally killing an Iraqi civilian. Iraqi courts, because of an order issued by the US-led authority in Baghdad in June, are forbidden from hearing cases against US soldiers or any other foreign troops or foreign officials in Iraq. In effect, US soldiers are operating with total impunity.

The following are just a few cases that have been monitored by AI.

· On 14 May, two US armed vehicles broke through the perimeter wall of the home of Sa'adi Suleiman Ibrahim al-'Ubaydi in Ramadi. Soldiers beat him with rifle butts and then shot him dead as he tried to flee.

· US forces shot 12-year-old Mohammad al-Kubaisi as they carried out search operations around his house in the Hay al-Jihad area in Baghdad on 26 June. He was carrying the family bedding to the roof of his house when he was shot. Neighbours tried to rush him by car to the nearby hospital, but US soldiers stopped them. By the time they got back home, Mohammad al-Kubaisi was dead. CPA officials told AI delegates in July that Mohammad al-Kubaisi was carrying a gun when he was killed.

· On 17 September a 14-year-old boy was killed and six people were injured when US troops opened fire at a wedding party in Fallujah. The soldiers reportedly believed they were under attack when shots were fired in the air in celebration.

· On 23 September, three farmers, 'Ali Khalaf, Sa'adi Faqri and Salem Khalil, were killed and three others injured when US troops opened a barrage of gunfire reportedly lasting for at least an hour in the village of al-Jisr near Fallujah. A US military official stated that the troops came under attack but this was vehemently denied by relatives of the dead. Later that day, US military officials reportedly went to the farmhouse, took photographs and apologized to the family.
AI has also documented numerous cases where British soldiers have resorted to lethal force and killed Iraqi civilians even though their lives and the lives of others did not appear to be in danger. In some of these cases, no investigation has been carried out. In others, the investigation appeared to be inadequate. Families of victims killed by the British Army are usually given no information or inadequate information about the mechanisms and procedures for investigations and compensation.

· Walid Fayay Mazban, a driver aged 42, was shot dead by British soldiers on 24 August at a junction near the Apache Military Camp in circumstances indicating that no lives were in danger. Soldiers had set up a temporary checkpoint at the junction, but street lights were not working so the whole area was dark. When Walid Fayay Mazban failed to stop at the checkpoint, he was shot several times in his back by a British soldier. Soldiers found nothing of suspicion in his car. In September the British Army paid around US$1,500 to his family on humanitarian grounds. The Royal Military Police launched an investigation into the killing, but Walid Fayay Mazban's family have been provided with no information on the progress of the investigation.

AI has repeatedly called for all killings of civilians by Coalition Forces to be thoroughly, independently and impartially investigated and for perpetrators of unlawful killings to be brought to justice. To date, no independent investigations are known to have been held.


Killings by armed individuals

On 2 March 2004, bombs exploded in a Shi'a mosque in the Kadhimiya neighbourhood of Baghdad and in the Shi'a holy city of Karbala within seconds of each other, killing around 170 civilians and injuring 500, almost all of them Shi'a Muslims. The attacks appeared to have been carefully planned: a combination of suicide bombs, planted explosives and possibly mortar fire.(5)

A month earlier, 101 people died as two suicide bomb attacks ripped apart the offices of Kurdish political parties in the northern city of Arbil.

These bombings were just two of the more recent attacks, apparently carried out by armed groups, that have been a growing feature of life in Iraq since the occupation began. The attacks have targeted the US military, Iraqi security personnel, Iraqi-controlled police stations, religious leaders and buildings, media workers, non-governmental organizations and UN agencies. They have resulted in the deaths of hundreds if not thousands of civilians.

Many other civilians have been killed by shooting - either targeted for assassination or shot dead by stray bullets. In Basra, for example, such victims have included former Ba'ath Party members and security or government officials, as well as people suspected of selling or drinking alcohol. Some of these killings appear to have been acts of revenge carried out by individuals. Many, however, appear to have been organized, reportedly by armed Islamist groups. The head of one police station in Basra openly endorsed revenge killings, telling an AI delegate that families of victims of past abuses "were in the right" for avenging the deaths of relatives by the previous government.

AI has called on armed groups to end the policy of attacking civilians and members of international humanitarian agencies. It has also called on those responsible for such crimes to be brought to justice and tried according to international human rights standards.

The following list highlights a few attacks. In not one of these cases have the perpetrators been brought to justice.

· On 7 August 2003, 17 people were killed when a truck exploded outside Jordanian embassy in Baghdad.
· On 19 August, 22 people were killed, including UN envoy Sergio Vieira de Mello, by truck bomb on the UN headquarters in Baghdad.
· On 29 August: 83 people were killed, including Shi'a leader Ayatollah Mohammad Baqer al-Hakim, by a car bomb at the Imam Ali mosque in Najaf.
· On 27 October, 35 people were killed in four bomb attacks in Baghdad targeting the Red Cross and police stations.
· On 18 January 2004, 25 people were killed, most of them Iraqi civilians, in a car bomb attack outside US headquarters in Baghdad.


Administration of justice

On 12 December, 65-year-old Amal Salim Madi, whose three sons were arrested in October, joined a demonstration in Baghdad demanding rights for prisoners. She said, "The Americans said they were taking [my sons] off for an hour of questioning. We have not seen them since." (6)

Her sons are among the new generation of missing people in Iraq. They are not ending up in mass graves, as many did under the former Iraqi government, but they are lost to their families - held somewhere in the system of detention centres being run by the occupying forces in Iraq. Adil Allami, a lawyer with the Human Rights Organization of Iraq, said in October 2003: "Iraq has turned into one big Guantanamo", referring to the US military prison in Cuba where hundreds of individuals suspected of "terrorist" acts remain held without charge.(7)

Ever since the war began, AI has been receiving reports of Iraqis who have been taken into detention by Coalition Forces and whose rights have been violated. Many have been held without charge for weeks or months. Some have been tortured and ill-treated. Virtually none has had prompt access to a lawyer, their family or judicial review of their detention.

Such abuses in the administration of justice have been facilitated by the general breakdown in law and order, but also by inconsistent application of international standards by the occupying forces.

After taking power, the CPA reviewed the Iraqi Penal Code of 1969 and the Criminal Procedure Code of 1971 to evaluate their compatibility with international human rights standards. It also introduced legal amendments; these entered into force prior to their publication in Arabic in the Official Gazette, in contravention of Article 65 of the Fourth Geneva Convention. The amendments did, nevertheless, include some welcome reforms. Section 9 of CPA Memorandum No. 7 prohibited the use of torture and cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment. The Revolutionary, Special and National Security Courts, which had conducted grossly unfair trials, were abolished.

In June 2003, the CPA issued Order No.13, establishing the Central Criminal Court of Iraq. The court applies Iraqi law and has jurisdiction over crimes committed in Iraq since 19 March 2003, including crimes against the Coalition forces. In November 2003 the court sentenced the former governor of Najaf to 14 years' imprisonment for "illegal arrest, destruction of a government document and misuse of office." The court has also looked at at least two other cases involving smuggling. Amnesty International has not been able to attend trial proceedings of this court, but the organization remains concerned that Order No.13 imposed the sweeping condition that judges appointed to the court should not have been involved in Ba'ath Party activity. It is also concerned that those selected are appointed for a one-year term by the Administrator of the CPA. Such conditions appear to violate the principle of judicial independence.

Section 2(3) of CPA Memorandum No. 3 removed the jurisdiction of Iraqi courts over any Coalition personnel in both civil and criminal matters, resulting in a lack of accountability for such personnel. There are no proper mechanisms to ensure competent, impartial investigations into allegations of violations of international human rights and humanitarian law by the CPA or Coalition Forces.

Incommunicado and unlawful detention

The massive Abu Ghraib prison on the southwest edge of Baghdad was the most feared detention centre under the former Iraqi government. Today the building officially goes by the name of Baghdad Correctional Facility, but little else has changed. Relatives of those held inside still wait outside for news of their loved ones, and lawyers are still turned away. One father was told to come back in four months when he tried to visit his son in November. "My son has already been in there for four months and he has been charged with nothing", he told a member of International Occupation Watch Center.(8)

The CPA published a list of 8,500 detainees on the Internet. Most are being held indefinitely and without charge as "suspected terrorists" or "security" detainees.(9) Families waiting outside Abu Ghraib prison say most of their relatives were picked up in indiscriminate raids.

Many Iraqis do not know where their relatives are being held and the majority have no access to the Internet to seek information about them. Some of those arrested are taken to jails run by Iraqi police, others are taken to US-run centres - but often no one seems to have the relevant information. Those in Iraqi jails usually have access to lawyers and judges at some point. Many of those held in prisons and detention centres run by the Coalition Forces - such as Camp Cropper in Baghdad International Airport (which closed in October), Abu Ghraib Prison and the detention centres in Habbaniya Airport and Um Qasr - have invariably been denied access to family or lawyers and any form of judicial review of their detention. Some have been held for weeks or months; others are apparently being held beyond the prescribed 90 days for judicial review. AI has also investigated cases in which Coalition Forces have failed to implement promptly rulings by judges to release suspects.

In effect, there is a two-tier system whereby people detained by the Coalition Forces have fewer safeguards than those held by Iraqi officials. For example, those detained by Coalition Forces can be held for 90 days before being brought before a judge (according to CPA Memorandum No. 3), whereas those detained within the framework of the Iraqi Code of Criminal Procedure must have their case reviewed within 24 hours.

Conditions in many of the detention centres are harsh. There have been many unconfirmed reports of hunger strikes and revolts in prisons. The CPA acknowledged that three prisoners were killed and eight wounded during an uprising in Abu Ghraib prison on 24 November.

In Basra, scores of people remain held without charge or trial in the British-controlled al-Shu'aiba detention centre near al-Zubair. Some were held in Um Qasr before being transferred. Also in Basra, armed Islamist groups have been involved in the arrest, detention and torture of people whom they suspect of "immoral" activities such as selling alcohol, videos or CDs.

· Qays Mohammad Abd al-Karim al-Salman, a businessman with Danish citizenship, returned to Iraq 10 days before his arrest by the US army on 6 May. He alleged he was forced to lie down on the road, then taken to the Holding Centre at Baghdad Airport where he was held for 33 days on suspicion of murder before being released without charge. He was denied contact with the outside world and ill-treated.

· Zakariya Zakher Sa'ad, aged 55, an Egyptian nightwatchman for the Russian Consul in Baghdad, was arrested by US soldiers investigating an attempted theft at the Consulate. Neighbours tried to tell the soldiers that he was the guard, not the thief, but the soldiers would not listen. The soldiers threw Zakariya Zakher Sa'ad to the ground, tied him and took him away. Until July 2003 he had been held at Camp Cropper, although his family had not been able to see him to confirm his whereabouts. Amnesty International does not have any information as to whether he is still detained or not.

· Humam 'Abd al-Khaleq 'Abd al-Ghaffur, a nuclear physicist, was arrested in his home in Baghdad on 20 April 2003. His whereabouts remain unknown.

· Hussain al-Haery, a professor at Baghdad University, was arrested at his house in early July 2003. He is currently held in Abu Ghraib.

· Sa'doun Hamadi, the former parliament speaker, was arrested on 29 May 2003 and detained without charge or trial for nearly nine months before his release on 14 February. He was held in three different places, Camp Cropper at Baghdad International Airport, Um Qasr and then Abu Ghraib Prison. On his release US authorities stated that there was no security justification for his detention.

AI has written to the CPA asking for clarification on the reasons for the continued detention and legal status of a number of people, including scientists, former diplomats and civil servants. It has yet to receive a response.

Torture and ill-treatment

Abdallah Khudhran al-Shamran, a Saudi Arabian national, was arrested in al-Rutba in early April 2003 by US and allied Iraqi forces while travelling from Syria to Baghdad. On reaching an unknown site, he said he was beaten, given electric shocks, suspended by his legs, had his penis tied and was subjected to sleep deprivation. He was held there for four days before being transferred to a camp hospital in Um Qasr. He was then interrogated and released without money or passport. He approached a British soldier, whereupon he was taken to another place of detention, then transferred to a military field hospital and again interrogated and tortured. This time torture methods reportedly included prolonged exposure in the sun, being locked in a container, and being threatened with execution.

Such reports of torture or other ill-treatment by Coalition Forces have been frequent in the past year. In the first weeks of the war and occupation, detainees suffered extreme heat while housed in tents and were supplied with insufficient water, inadequate washing facilities, open trenches for toilets, no change of clothes, and no books, newspapers, radios or writing materials. Since then, detainees have reported being routinely subjected to cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment during arrest and the first 24 hours of detention. Plastic handcuffs used by US troops have caused detainees unnecessary pain. Former detainees have said they were forced to lie face down on the ground, were held handcuffed, hooded or blindfolded, and were not given water or food or allowed to go to the toilet.

Many detainees have alleged they were tortured and ill-treated by US and UK troops during interrogation. Methods often reported include prolonged sleep deprivation; beatings; prolonged restraint in painful positions, sometimes combined with exposure to loud music; prolonged hooding; and exposure to bright lights. Virtually none of the allegations of torture or ill-treatment has been adequately investigated.

In Basra, at least four people have died in British custody. In one case, the cause of death was torture. Several people interviewed by AI described being tortured by British soldiers during interrogation.

· Eight Iraqis arrested on 14 September by British soldiers from the British military base Camp Steven in Basra were reportedly tortured. The men all worked for a hotel in Basra where weapons were reported to have been found. Baha' al-Maliki, the hotel's receptionist, died in custody three days later; his body was reportedly severely bruised and covered in blood. Kefah Taha was admitted to hospital in critical condition, suffering renal failure and severe bruising.

· In February 2004, during a hearing into the death in June 2003 of Najem Sa'doun Hattab at Camp Whitehorse detention centre near Nassiriya, a former US marine testified that it was common practice to kick and punch prisoners who did not cooperate - and even some who did. The marine had been granted immunity from prosecution for his testimony. Najem Sa'doun Hattab, a former Ba'ath Party official, died after he was beaten and choked by a US marine reservist.(10)

House demolitions and searches

On 10 November 2003, US soldiers arrived at the farmhouse of the Najim family near the town of al-Mahmudiya, south of Baghdad. They ordered everyone who lived there to leave within 30 minutes. Soon afterwards, two F-16 warplanes bombed and destroyed the farmhouse.

The demolition was apparently in retaliation for an attack on a US convoy a few days earlier. Soon after the attack, US soldiers had arrested six men outside the Najim house reportedly after weapons were found there. The destruction of the Najim home was just one of several similar retaliatory house demolitions that have been reported. Such acts - reprisals against people or their property, and collective punishments -- are clearly prohibited by the Fourth Geneva Convention.

AI has learned of at least 15 other houses that have been destroyed by US forces since November during military operations in Tikrit. In one case, a family in al-Haweda village was given just five minutes to leave their house before it was razed to the ground by US tanks and helicopter fire.

Major Lou Zeisman, a US military official from the 82nd Airborne Division, reportedly said: "If you shoot at an American or Coalition force member, you are going to be killed or you are going to be captured, and if we trace somebody back to a specific safe house, we are going to destroy that facility..."(11)

AI also continues to receive many reports of members of the Coalition Forces damaging and destroying property without justification during house searches. Soldiers have smashed their way into cars, houses and cupboards after the owners have offered keys and begged that they be used. In numerous cases, property and large sums of money have been "confiscated" during an arrest and not returned when the person is released.

In one case, US officers accepted that there was evidence that a crime had been committed by officers who took more than three million dinars (US$2,000) from a family's home. They added, however, that redress would be long and difficult as they lacked the means to investigate.

Victims of lawlessness

A sudden barrage of shooting rang out in the bustling Old Basra Street on 15 February 2004. When it finished, at least nine people were dead - the latest victims of attacks on suspected alcohol vendors in Basra. The attackers were unknown, but widely suspected to be members of Shi'a armed political groups which have appeared after the war. A frightened salesman, Tarik Mahmoud, said: "There are no laws to protect me, and even if a law existed, I would still be afraid because people are used to killing each other."(12)

The lack of law and order continues to be a major concern in many areas of Iraq. AI delegates witnessed firsthand the devastating impact the lawlessness is having on the lives of ordinary Iraqis, whether it be looting, revenge killings, kidnappings or violent sexual crimes.

Violence against women

In the aftermath of war, women and girls have increasingly faced violent attacks, including abduction, rape and murder, as a result of the breakdown of law and order. Many women were too afraid to leave their homes, and girls were being kept away from school. Women who have been victims of violence in the street or home have virtually no hope of obtaining justice.

In May 2003, for example, Asma, a young engineer, was abducted in Baghdad. She was shopping with her mother, sister and a male relative when six armed men started shooting around them. Asma was forced into a car and driven to a farmhouse outside Baghdad, where she was said to have been repeatedly raped. A day later she was driven back to her parents' neighbourhood and pushed out of the car.

In Basra, women and girls not wearing the hijab have been threatened by Islamist groups and now almost all cover themselves.

Samira Abd al-Munim, who works in Basra's teaching hospital, told AI delegates in May: "Because of the insecurity, my life is extremely limited. I cannot visit my family or go to the market without the company of my husband... I don't dare walk on my own as I used to... My children are almost imprisoned in the house for their safety."

In some cases women who have been campaigning to protect women's rights have been threatened. Yanar Mohammed, a member of the Organization of Women's Freedom in Iraq, has reportedly received several death threats, including one by email from an Islamist group known as the Army of Sahaba. When she asked CPA officials for protection, she was allegedly told there were more urgent matters to attend to. A number of women working for the CPA have been killed. AI is not aware of any steps that have been taken by the CPA or IGC to ensure adequate protection of women's human rights and women activists.

Accountability for past violations

Ensuring justice is fundamental for the countless victims of human rights violations in Iraq. They have suffered decades of grave violations by Iraqi government agents as well as abuses committed during the course of several conflicts, including the recent war and its aftermath.

To date, little action has been taken to address past human rights violations, including mass "disappearances", or to investigate and bring to justice those found responsible for committing crimes against humanity, genocide and war crimes, or to provide compensation and restitution to victims. In December the Iraqi Governing Council established the statute of the Iraqi Special Tribunal in order to try Saddam Hussain and other former Iraqi officials, as well as a Committee on Truth and Reconciliation. However, it remains to be seen whether these will be effective and will help to gain justice for victims in accordance with international standards.

In order to be fair and effective, all measures aimed at obtaining justice must conform to international human rights and standards. Neither victims nor suspected perpetrators of abuses should receive second class justice.

In relation to former Iraqi government officials, AI has continued to stress the need for ensuring fairness. Any tribunal must be competent, impartial and independent, and suspects must be pursued solely on the basis of the evidence against them and through a fair process. There should be no statute of limitations and no amnesties, pardons or similar measures for crimes under international law if such measures would prevent a conclusive verdict and full reparations for victims. There should be the right to appeal and no recourse to the death penalty or other forms of cruel, inhuman or degrading punishment. Victims and their families must have effective means to obtain full reparation for the violations they have suffered.

AI has recommended that Iraqi judicial experts work with international experts to assess the Iraqi judicial system, including its capacity to ensure fair trials, and explore options for bring perpetrators of abuse to justice.


Conclusion and recommendations

After a year of war, lawlessness, spiralling violence and economic hardship, Iraqis face an uncertain future. For the next year to be better than the last, the occupying forces, the Iraqi Governing Council, the next Iraqi interim administration and the international community must make a real commitment to protecting and promoting the full range of human rights.

Fundamental changes to Iraq's legal, judicial and penal systems are needed. Human rights must be at the centre of all efforts to rebuild and reconstruct Iraq. A failure to fully protect human rights in the process of change would be a betrayal of the Iraqi people, who have suffered so much in the past.

AI calls on the Coalition Provisional Authority, the Coalition Forces and the Iraqi Governing Council to:

· Ensure that soldiers fully abide by law enforcement standards and use force in line with the principles of necessity and proportionality. In particular, they should use firearms only if lives are in danger and there is no other means to respond to that danger.

· Ensure that Iraqi police replace soldiers for law enforcement duties as soon as possible provided they are given appropriate equipment and training, including on international standards for law enforcement.

· Provide a unified legal system whereby all criminal suspects are treated in the same way and afforded all safeguards provided for in international law. The rights of all suspects must be fully respected regardless of which authority is responsible for holding them.

· Clarify without delay the fate and whereabouts of everyone held in custody.

· Amend CPA Memorandum No. 3 to ensure that all criminal suspects can be brought before a judicial authority promptly after arrest and have the lawfulness and necessity of their detention reviewed. The Memorandum should also be amended to ensure detainees have a right to prompt access to a lawyer and that their families are promptly notified of the detention.

· Clarify and make public the disciplinary and criminal mechanisms of accountability for the CPA and Coalition Forces.

· Ensure that the prohibition of torture and any other form of ill-treatment is absolutely respected by Coalition Forces, Iraqi police and any other forces involved in detaining suspects.

· Ensure that all investigations into alleged abuses by Coalition Forces are conducted by a body that is competent, impartial and independent, and seen to be so, and that any findings of such investigations are made public.

· Provide reparations, including compensation to the victims or to their families.

· Improve conditions of detention so that they comply fully with the Standard Minimum Rules for the Treatment of Prisoners.

· Immediately stop any policy of unlawful destruction of property and collective punishment, and make clear to all US forces that such actions are prohibited. All families whose houses or other property have been destroyed in such actions should be fully compensated.



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(1) AP, 3 February 2004

(2) Reuters 12 Feb 2004

(3) AFP 4 March 2004

(4) Guardian, 26 November 2003

(5) AFP and Reuters 4 March 2004

(6) AFP, 12 December 2003

(7) agency/date not clear

(8) Searching for Yunis - and how many others? International Occupation Watch Centre, David Enders, 28 November 2003.

(9) Searching for Yunis - and how many others? International Occupation Watch Centre, David Enders, 28 November 2003.

(10) Union-Tribune, 3 February 2004, by Rick Rogers

(11) LA Times, 12 November 2003

(12) International Press, Edward Wong, 19 February 2004

lucid
7th April 2004, 18:21
This could go on forever. (http://www.heritage.org/Research/MiddleEast/bg1594.cfm)

I notice that almost all of your anti-war examples are only showing the negatives going on now. War sux and the people will suffer until the fanatics are weeded out and dealt with appropriatly. Someone like myself looks at the situation at hand and, although I feel bad for the iraqis present situation, I know that if we continue the campaign the Iraqis will be better off. All of your delusions and anger will never change the fact that war is sometimes necessary and people will die.

Osman Ghazi
7th April 2004, 19:29
Except that the U$ seems to believe that war is always the answer. How many countries have they invaded in the past 50 years? At least one every 5 years or so. Why would you assume that Iraq is any different than invading Panama, or Grenada for that reason? They invaded for the same reasons that they have always invaded for.
*rubs thumb and forefinger together*

lucid
7th April 2004, 19:41
One problem with your logic. We didn't start this war, Saddam did.

STI
7th April 2004, 20:21
Originally posted by [email protected] 7 2004, 07:41 PM
One problem with your logic. We didn't start this war, Saddam did.
No. Amerikan troops entered Iraq. Amerikan planes bombed Iraq. Amerika started the war. All Saddam did was be wrongfully accused of having weapons which it turns out he doesn't have.

Misodoctakleidist
7th April 2004, 20:35
Originally posted by [email protected] 7 2004, 07:41 PM
One problem with your logic. We didn't start this war, Saddam did.
yeah like when he ermmm...let weapons inspectors into iraq and pleaded for peace and then attacked american troops when they started shooting his armies.

lucid
7th April 2004, 20:59
Originally posted by socialist_tiger+Apr 7 2004, 08:21 PM--> (socialist_tiger @ Apr 7 2004, 08:21 PM)
[email protected] 7 2004, 07:41 PM
One problem with your logic. We didn't start this war, Saddam did.
No. Amerikan troops entered Iraq. Amerikan planes bombed Iraq. Amerika started the war. All Saddam did was be wrongfully accused of having weapons which it turns out he doesn't have. [/b]
You where only 4 years old when this war started. Typical lefty horse squeeze. Don't know what the fuck your talking about, ruled by emotions, and no backbone.

Iraqi troops entered Kuwait.
UN said get the fuck out.
Saddam said fuck you.
UN led coalition went into Kuwait and pushed the Iraqis out.
Saddam start acting like a lefty (Pussy) and agreed to a sieze fire so that we wouldn't roll into Bahgdad.
UN made up a list of demands. Destroy WMD, allow inspectors to do their job, stay out of the no fly zone, etc.
Saddam agreed.
Short time later he started getting in the way of UN weapons inspectors, started shooting at UN planes in the no fly zone, wasn't supplying info about WMD.

10+ years go by. UN lets Saddam stomp all over them with his cat and mouse game.

9-11-01 Islamic whores fly planes into WTC in the US.
US gets pissed off.
US decides to be proactive and go after terrorists.
UN starts acting like a lefty (pussy) and doesn't go along.
US goes in and kicks the shit out of the Taliban.
US knows that Saddam has supported terrorists in the past tells Saddam to get his ass in gear or we are coming after him.
Saddam says fuck off.
We go in and take his ass out.

But of course none of that matters. The only thing that matters to you is the crap you read about that talks shit about the US. Unfortunately, in this country, it has become politicaly correct to be a POS appologist and hate everything about the U$.

Osman Ghazi
7th April 2004, 21:15
Saddam says off.
We go in and take his ass out.


Unless ' off' has become an official declaration of war, it would seem that it was started by the U$. Let me think,was it Dubya that wanted American troops to go into Iraq, or Saddam? I can't quite remember.


But of course none of that matters. The only thing that matters to you is the crap you read about that talks shit about the US. Unfortunately, in this country, it has become politicaly correct to be a POS appologist and hate everything about the U$.

Did you ever stop to think that maybe this is due to the fact that America sucks ass and not the fact that there is some mysterious leftist conspiracy?

lucid
7th April 2004, 21:17
Originally posted by Misodoctakleidist+Apr 7 2004, 08:35 PM--> (Misodoctakleidist @ Apr 7 2004, 08:35 PM)
[email protected] 7 2004, 07:41 PM
One problem with your logic. We didn't start this war, Saddam did.
yeah like when he ermmm...let weapons inspectors into iraq and pleaded for peace and then attacked american troops when they started shooting his armies. [/b]
ROFL, pleaded for peace! Dude you where either in a coma between 1991 and 2001 or you where just a kid chasing little lucy down the lane.

Just saw your age. You just don't know what your talking about.

Misodoctakleidist
7th April 2004, 21:18
Originally posted by [email protected] 7 2004, 08:59 PM
Saddam says fuck off.
would that be when he let weapons inspecters have unlimited access to iraq and begged for peace?

lucid
7th April 2004, 21:21
Originally posted by Osman [email protected] 7 2004, 09:15 PM

Saddam says off.
We go in and take his ass out.


Unless ' off' has become an official declaration of war, it would seem that it was started by the U$. Let me think,was it Dubya that wanted American troops to go into Iraq, or Saddam? I can't quite remember.


But of course none of that matters. The only thing that matters to you is the crap you read about that talks shit about the US. Unfortunately, in this country, it has become politicaly correct to be a POS appologist and hate everything about the U$.

Did you ever stop to think that maybe this is due to the fact that America sucks ass and not the fact that there is some mysterious leftist conspiracy?
I can't compete with such blatent ignorance. You win.

STI
7th April 2004, 21:27
Originally posted by lucid+Apr 7 2004, 08:59 PM--> (lucid @ Apr 7 2004, 08:59 PM)
Originally posted by [email protected] 7 2004, 08:21 PM

[email protected] 7 2004, 07:41 PM
One problem with your logic. We didn't start this war, Saddam did.
No. Amerikan troops entered Iraq. Amerikan planes bombed Iraq. Amerika started the war. All Saddam did was be wrongfully accused of having weapons which it turns out he doesn't have.
You where only 4 years old when this war started. Typical lefty horse squeeze. Don't know what the fuck your talking about, ruled by emotions, and no backbone.

Iraqi troops entered Kuwait.
UN said get the fuck out.
Saddam said fuck you.
UN led coalition went into Kuwait and pushed the Iraqis out.
Saddam start acting like a lefty (Pussy) and agreed to a sieze fire so that we wouldn't roll into Bahgdad.
UN made up a list of demands. Destroy WMD, allow inspectors to do their job, stay out of the no fly zone, etc.
Saddam agreed.
Short time later he started getting in the way of UN weapons inspectors, started shooting at UN planes in the no fly zone, wasn't supplying info about WMD.

10+ years go by. UN lets Saddam stomp all over them with his cat and mouse game.

9-11-01 Islamic whores fly planes into WTC in the US.
US gets pissed off.
US decides to be proactive and go after terrorists.
UN starts acting like a lefty (pussy) and doesn't go along.
US goes in and kicks the shit out of the Taliban.
US knows that Saddam has supported terrorists in the past tells Saddam to get his ass in gear or we are coming after him.
Saddam says fuck off.
We go in and take his ass out.

But of course none of that matters. The only thing that matters to you is the crap you read about that talks shit about the US. Unfortunately, in this country, it has become politicaly correct to be a POS appologist and hate everything about the U$. [/b]
You see, Lucid, insulting me doesn't make you right. The fact that I'm 16 doesn't mean I don't know anyting about the history of the conflict. My decisions aren't just 'made by emotions', anybody who has spent time talking to me without just slinging insults would know that.

Saddam was a friend and favoured trading partner of the US, during which time he committed is worst attrocities against humanity.

There simply ARE NO WEAPONS which have been found yet. Regardless of the incidents with the weapons inspectors, nobody has found any WMD. The Bush administration basically used these reasons for going to war:

1)Al Quada is in bed with Iraq (but there was no real evidence of that)
2)Iraq has WMD (but there was no real evidence of that)
3)Saddam is a really bad guy (but so are most of the dictators the US supports).

lucid
7th April 2004, 22:56
You see commie, I remember where I was when the war started. I remember watching the live news feeds during the war and watching all of the reports of Saddam not abiding by the UN's rules.

Saddam was never a "friend and favoured trading partner of the US", he was the better of two evils. At the time the US saw Iran as a bigger threat than Iraq. That changed when Iraq starting invading other countries.

One thing that we do know without a doubt is that Saddam possessed WMD. Him using them on his own people should clue you off. I also remember watching satilite footage of UN vehicles being stalled at the entrance of military complexes while lines of Iraqi semis left out of the back.

Know your enemy is a very old tactic. Just because we dealt with Saddam didn't mean we liked him. I am sure there are lots of things that neither of us know about. But that doesn't matter as long as you can bash the US.

Guest1
8th April 2004, 01:48
Originally posted by [email protected] 7 2004, 05:56 PM
One thing that we do know without a doubt is that Saddam possessed WMD.
"We kept the receipts just in case!"

lucid
8th April 2004, 02:40
Originally posted by Che y Marijuana+Apr 8 2004, 01:48 AM--> (Che y Marijuana @ Apr 8 2004, 01:48 AM)
[email protected] 7 2004, 05:56 PM
One thing that we do know without a doubt is that Saddam possessed WMD.
"We kept the receipts just in case!" [/b]
Don't need reciepts. Just ask the Kurds and Iran.

Yazman
8th April 2004, 02:44
You where only 4 years old when this war started. Typical lefty horse squeeze. Don't know what the fuck your talking about, ruled by emotions, and no backbone.

Yeah, well if you're going to be a fucking arrogant asshole with some sort of superiority complex, you should AT LEAST get your facts straight, and maybe not come to a socialist board which is all about equality, not "I am a grizzled old veteran and thus superior."

Your entire post was irrelevant dude, because if the US hadn't PUT SADDAM INTO POWER, he would never have been able to do all the things he did, he would never have invaded Kuwait, Iraq would be a totally different place today, and the US would have had no excuse to invade it.

Guest1
8th April 2004, 03:59
Originally posted by lucid+Apr 7 2004, 09:40 PM--> (lucid @ Apr 7 2004, 09:40 PM)
Originally posted by Che y [email protected] 8 2004, 01:48 AM

[email protected] 7 2004, 05:56 PM
One thing that we do know without a doubt is that Saddam possessed WMD.
"We kept the receipts just in case!"
Don't need reciepts. Just ask the Kurds and Iran. [/b]
Oh you mean the ones you turned a blind eye to, because they were dangers to you and your allies?

Or do you mean the ones you armed Saddam knowing full well he'd poison?

Osman Ghazi
8th April 2004, 12:25
Saddam was never a "friend and favoured trading partner of the US", he was the better of two evils

One thing that we do know without a doubt is that Saddam possessed WMD.

So he was an evil man, but in your infinite wisdom you decided to give him weapons that could kill tens of thousands of people. Good strategy.


I also remember watching satilite footage of UN vehicles being stalled at the entrance of military complexes while lines of Iraqi semis left out of the back.


Did you see this perhaps, on CNN? Well, they are the most trusted name in news. They must be; they keep telling m every 5 minutes. What if the semis were carrying the UN's equipment to the next site? Face it. You don;t have a mother ing clue what they were doing there. You don't know shit unless U$ State Proganda (CNN) tells you it's true.

bunk
8th April 2004, 14:48
When U.S were friends with Saddam they pretended that Iraq had not gassed Halabjah. U.S gave Saddam those weapons also,

LuZhiming
9th April 2004, 03:29
Iraqi troops entered Kuwait.

You forgot some previous details: Kuwait extended its oil holdings into Iraqi territory, Kuwait flooded the oil market by forcing oil prices down, the U.S. said they did not care if Saddam invaded Kuwait


UN said get the fuck out.

More like: The U.S. told Saddam to get the fuck out. The cowards of the U.N. quitely agreed.


Saddam said fuck you.

And also offered negotiations, which were rejected.


UN led coalition went into Kuwait and pushed the Iraqis out.

You forget to mention the massive bombings of not just Kuwait, but Iraq as well. And Saddam didn't start "negotiating" until after U.S. troops had carried out massive brutality against the Iraqi army.


UN made up a list of demands. Destroy WMD, allow inspectors to do their job, stay out of the no fly zone, etc.
Saddam agreed.
Short time later he started getting in the way of UN weapons inspectors, started shooting at UN planes in the no fly zone, wasn't supplying info about WMD.

You fail to mention the U.S. and British bombing of Iraq.


US decides to be proactive and go after terrorists.

Really? So they started bombing the World Bank, CIA headquarters, the White House, and Exxon?


US knows that Saddam has supported terrorists in the past tells Saddam to get his ass in gear or we are coming after him.

That is a complete lie.


Saddam was never a "friend and favoured trading partner of the US", he was the better of two evils. At the time the US saw Iran as a bigger threat than Iraq. That changed when Iraq starting invading other countries.

That's a complete lie and you know it. Third World countries like Iran aren't a threat to the United States. Don't be stupid. And Iraq invaded Iran, what the hell are you talking about? You must not know the history of Iran, because such statements are resorting to absurdity. The Shah of Iran was a much worse dictator than the Ayatollah's ever have been, and he was one of the U.S.' favorite leaders. He was nice to U.S. oil companies too, letting them and the British own most of Iran's oil. That is the reason the U.S. hated Khomeini, and it was the same reason they hated Mossadegh. And if the U.S. was going to start attacking countries that are invading other countries, it would have started with Indonesia and Israel, whose occupations were much more brutal than Saddam's.

General A.A.Vlasov
10th April 2004, 09:21
KA:
This damn war was started by bUsh only because of oil and because he wanted to revenge to Saddam, because his daddy-ASSHOLE didn't invaded Iraq totally!

lucid
10th April 2004, 16:44
Originally posted by General [email protected] 10 2004, 09:21 AM
KA:
This damn war was started by bUsh only because of oil and because he wanted to revenge to Saddam, because his daddy-ASSHOLE didn't invaded Iraq totally!
Your an idiot. I would say more but that pretty much sums it up.

General A.A.Vlasov
15th April 2004, 04:11
Oh-oh-oh! Who am I see!? Yankee-ultra-patriot, who thinks, that this war will bring democracy to Iraq!!!

So, SHUT THE FUCK UP with your idiotic position!!! :angry: