Theory of the human mind.

[Individual]

I am starting this thread as I have an increasing appetite for discussion of the mind.

From its different capablities, to how the mind interprets its surroundings and reacts, please explain any thoughts that you have on the human mind.

I would start out with my thoughts, however I feel that if I do this it may limit the conversations perimeters. I want anyone that is interested to voice their personal opinion on what role the human mind plays in society, and anything from perception, to understanding, to knowledge and so forth.

Here is a thought for starters; Prove to me that God is not a perception of the mind, or which God is not physically or Universally real, however is a form of thought that protrudes from one's mind? Prove to me that our minds do not create answers instead of reaching a knowlegable conclusion. Hence a science experiment; prove that our personal mind does not alter the dynamics of the experiment so that our mind perceives the experiments outcome as that of a solid truth?

How are these things not fallacies of the mind? How can you prove it?

[che's long lost daughter]

Everything we do always begins with the mind processing thoughts. Even if we thought that we didn't think when we did something wrong, the real thing is we did think because we never stop doing so. The mind is very powerful, I forgot whoever said this: What the mind can conceive, the body can achieve and that is very true.

What I am thinking right now is that I didn't make any sense. But, what the hey...

[elijahcraig]

Prove to me that God is not a perception of the mind, or which God is not physically or Universally real, however is a form of thought that protrudes from one's mind?

Kant would stick you in the gutter for this sort of metaphysical nonsense.


Prove to me that our minds do not create answers instead of reaching a knowlegable conclusion.

Prove to me they do. Reaching a knowledgeable conclusion is the usual idea of the mind. So you prove the other way round.


Hence a science experiment; prove that our personal mind does not alter the dynamics of the experiment so that our mind perceives the experiments outcome as that of a solid truth?

Read Kant.

And if you already have—read him again.

[Individual]

Kant would stick you in the gutter for this sort of metaphysical nonsense.

What a superb way to prove the theory false. :rolleyes:

Can you not comprehend that this is a logical question?

Besides, merely because I ask a question doesn't mean that I believe it to be true. I often ask questions on theories that I do and do not believe, this is how I learn.


Prove to me they do. Reaching a knowledgeable conclusion is the usual idea of the mind. So you prove the other way round.

These questions were to spark ideas, to start conversation. So you don't agree with them, explain why. Your reply: "Read Kant", just doesn't cut it.

This thread was to gain access to members feelings on the human mind, which is something that I am constantly fascinated with. Personally your post shows how 'intellectually intact' that you are, as you respond as if Kant has the answers to the world. Put forth your own thought, and actually try responding, instead of attacking simple questions that you cannot seem to answer.

Please don't turn this thread into a debate over my logic. Let us try and keep this open so that people will express their beliefs, theories, and thoughts so that we all can discuss them. Without you attacking my logic. ;)

[dark fairy]

:) man oh man the human needs something to guide it ... also it is a creature of habit... so once it has "god" there to believe in and guide it, it needs it there we are creatures of habit... there so many ways to look at this :unsure: :)

[elijahcraig]

What a superb way to prove the theory false.

Can you not comprehend that this is a logical question?

Besides, merely because I ask a question doesn't mean that I believe it to be true. I often ask questions on theories that I do and do not believe, this is how I learn.

I obviously meant that I view Kant as a way to refute this “theory.”


This thread was to gain access to members feelings on the human mind, which is something that I am constantly fascinated with. Personally your post shows how 'intellectually intact' that you are, as you respond as if Kant has the answers to the world. Put forth your own thought, and actually try responding, instead of attacking simple questions that you cannot seem to answer.

Please don't turn this thread into a debate over my logic. Let us try and keep this open so that people will express their beliefs, theories, and thoughts so that we all can discuss them. Without you attacking my logic.

My theories on this subject are not my individually developed theories. I accept Kant and Hume as refuting the metaphysicians of the Berkeley style of thought.

[Individual]

At the request of members to discuss my theory, I hereby:

Resurrect this thread.

(The following are posts taken from my previous posts of which will better explain my theory)

In hating religion, this should not be a solid excuse to not believe in God.

Nobody at this point in time can prove God's existance, however at the opposite nobody can prove that he doesn't exist. The issue is a stalemate.

What can be disproved, is religion.

In hating religion, do not discredit God as a being. The God, or father, that you read about in the bible is one of fantasy land. The bible is clearly wrong, and can be disproved in many of its statements simply by digging a whole in the ground, or examining certain trees. Simple as that.

God however could be a part of the human mind, a figment of one's imagination. However what is to say that God is not real only because of one's desire to believe? While religion is obviously false, and a scam of which to imply certain morals upon society, while making a successful business at the same time.

While God may is not composed of matter, or even anti-matter; God could be real due to one's ability to believe in God. The fact that the human mind has the capability of belief, leads me to believe that a god could be real. Now while I am agnostic, and have very strong feelings against religion and religion's Gods, I am open and understanding to those that can believe in God. My reasoning is simple, I can't prove that you are wrong as you can't prove that I'm wrong; therefore why should I tell you that you are wrong when I have no proof.

Obviously religion is different from this, and we all know how to discredit religion, however none of us can discredit God as a figment of our imagination. I believe the universe is there, why can't you except someone's belief of something in their imagination?

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God can mean different things. The God that was talked of in the bible is obviously false. The thing is, I know many people that do not attend any organized religion, and do not follow the bible. What God do these persons believe in?

This is why my theory that God is something that resides in the human mind. God is a figment of the imagination, a drive to believe in something.

I cannot believe for an instant one false impression could create the entire Universe. The bible proves itself wrong by digging in the turn and running a test. We need to get past the bible's definition of God, and try and realize that a God could be personal.

Even for those that follow the bible, the drive in billions of minds is that to believe in God. This is not something that can be ignored, it is part of the human mind. Going back past Christianity, Judaism, and Islam; an extreme number of ancient civillizations have believed in a higher being. We as intellectuals cannot ignore this fact.

This leads me to believe that it is part of human thought to believe in a being of this kind. Even for those that believe in the bible, it is the strive to believe in a higher power.

Now this higher power is something that resides in each individuals mind. God is not physically real. The bible's God is not real. However could an individual thought process, simply labelled a generic term, God, be true? I believe it is very likely.

We are all our own individuals. Everyone is allowed their personal thought, and everyone has the ability for their own personal thought.

How can one deny the ability to believe? The fact that people have the ability to believe, means that they do believe. God is part of the individuals mind. It is a thought in which they hold, and they compare it to the thoughts of others through the bible.

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While I do not believe in a God, nor religion; I do consider myself agnostic.

Being agnostic doesn't necessarliry mean that you are open to the possibility, it means that there is no certain proof for either side.

Now while there is the assumption that no God exists due to lack of a witness. What is to say that God does not stem from our imagination? God could simply be just that, something of which resides in the mind that would not be physical. Thus not being able to prove that God is real.

To me, the term God is to generic. God can define a different meaning to any given person. God does not have to be something physical.

Again, I lean sternly towards being atheist. We cannot prove that God does exist.

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Again, those were taken from previous posts of my own.

If you can't quite understand where I am coming from, feel free to let me know and I will try and better explain. Otherwise I ask that you contrast my theory with feelings of your own, and hopefully a constructive debate will arise.

[cubist]

Here is a thought for starters; Prove to me that God is not a perception of the mind, or which God is not physically or Universally real, however is a form of thought that protrudes from one's mind? Prove to me that our minds do not create answers instead of reaching a knowlegable conclusion. Hence a science experiment; prove that our personal mind does not alter the dynamics of the experiment so that our mind perceives the experiments outcome as that of a solid truth?


I believe god is a perception of mind, he may still be universally real, but as yet there is no evidence to support the existence of an omnipresent being, which is the creator and watcher of our world,

The real issue is can you believe that with out evidence? I can't, there is no evidence to support god except psychological feelings of euphoria, created by public speakers and through atmospheric music which when played in the public arena sets the mood for the speaker these individual factors entice some peoples minds to release endorphins causing euphoria which is then related to god. I have experienced these feelings but I also experience them whilst listening to punk riffs or drum and bass loops, so I don't class godly experience anything more than euphoric feeling and certainly don't think of it as evidence to support the existence of god.

However, this doesn't mean I am right just because I use more physical things to convince myself. A strange thing to think about is that I use physical evidence to convince myself yet I have become a socialist despite "the bullshit that bounces of every fucking wall" in the class room the media everything is telling me to do things and believing things and they are physical but I have chosen to ignore them, I have made conscious decisions to not believe the lies about war and politics they are all physical unlike god yet I have drawn my own conclusions again.

So looking at all that waffle the mater is the human mind proves to itself what is right, it decides itself what it will believe, but what provides the restraints in which it decides, is it nature or is it nurture, is it your peers or is it not. I am unsure about this one as my family is indirectly or "naturally" racist yet I am not I despise racism. But my family is Christian and I was Christian, anyway over to you....

[The Divine]

You can not prove god does not exsist. You can not prove god does not exsist. Only your heart and mind can tell you what is right, and depending on what part of you is stronger, that part will prevail. You either have faith and think with your heart (usually believe in god) or have faith and think with your mind (do not believe in god)

I believe the idea of god is simply a great form of control. If you can unite the people by giving them all something to relate to, you can easily keep them within the palm of your hand. Its a game of religous simon says.