Monday

[nezvanova]

Monday marks the 10th anniversery since Kurt Cobain's suicide. Kids at school are in a huge hoopla over it. Its scary...

[truthaddict11]

who really cares?

[che's long lost daughter]

Kurt Cobain I think has made a big contribution to music and it is only right to remember him. But maybe, not in a way of hero or cult worship.

[truthaddict11]

I never liked Nirvana

[nezvanova]

well each to their own. Just don't make a fuss about it around Nirvana fans. :redstar2000:

[Ortega]

I read an article in the newspaper today about the growing evidence that Kurt may have been killed by Courtney Love. I can't decide what to think - both sides have some pretty convincing evidence.

[(*]

I like their music a lot, but I just got a little pissed with how they became so mainstream and now how people have begun to worship Cobain.

Of course, their breakthrough album nevermind helped with Pearl Jam's album (Ten). So...that was cool. If people haven't realized yet, i'm a PJ fan mostly.

[nezvanova]

yeah, there are lots of crazy obsessive websites all about how they think kurt didnt kill himself. I dunno, really, I think he had lots of problems (one of many, being Courtney) so I remain skeptical of all the possibilities, but I sorta lean towards suicide.

I agree completely about the how mainstream they are. And this whole teen worship thing cobain has kinda scares me.

[Politrickian]

Originally posted by che's long lost [email protected] 3 2004, 10:07 PM
Kurt Cobain I think has made a big contribution to music
Could you show me what contributions he has made?

He made the most simplest form of grunge any 5-year old could make using a few power chords.

And let's not talk about his singing qualities.

[mentalbunny]

Kurt brought grunge attitude to the masses, without seeking fame.

He was a messed up guy, but he did give a lot, he influenced a lot of people, he wrote good catchy songs.

About the Courtney thing, I don't think she killed him. My ex believed that she killed him, but I disagree. They seemed to have a pretty destructive relatiopnship, but two heroin addicts can't really have anything else. I don't doubt that they loved each other, and in many ways Courntney was the more powerful of the two, but Krut introduced her to heroin, as far as I know, so he messed her up as much as she messed him up. It's all very tragic. My heart goes out to Francis Bean right now. At least she's young enough so that the media can't pester her, later it's going to be awful for her.

[guerrillaradio]

Originally posted by [email protected] 4 2004, 10:12 AM
Kurt brought grunge attitude to the masses, without seeking fame.
Well he fucked up on that count. I read an article yesterday which claimed Nirvana killed punk rock. I can sympathise.

[atlanticche]

but Kurt Cobain is god

[God of Imperia]

With all respect, Kurt Cobain wasn't right in the head ...

[atlanticche]

he wasn't right in the head, he is god he doesn't need to be right in his non-existent head

[Dirty Commie]

He has a personality cult at my school, it's creepy.

[Hate Is Art]

I went through a phase of listening to and hunting down anything kurt cobain. Really got me through some times, but i've moved onto more uplifting music now.

Sure his songs were simple, but so where the beatles? It's how complex your arrangments are or having an 18 minute keyboard solo, it's the emotion you put into it. Kurt did just that and the ammount of emotion he put in reflects the songs.

He may not have had the perfect voice but his voice fits his songs perfectly.

[FatFreeMilk]

Yeah, this cobaine fanatic at school convinced me that Courtney killed him, but I forgot how the story went. I really don't care, I just love his music.

[nezvanova]

I'll admit, nirvana songs are pretty damned easy to play, but they're not by any means simple. The chord patterns and progressions are pretty complicated in some of their songs, and melodically, very difficult to sing unless you have a broad range. Anyway, I don't really want to get into that. Yes, there are those of you out there who don't like nirvana, and thats fine. I personally like the music, but think kurt was a real screw up. If there's one thing that turns me off from this music, its all the scary cult followings of cobain and such. I read that there were kids that killed themselves in ways that imitated kurt's suicide.

oh, and all this controversy about his suicide, i found some website a while back about it... justiceforkurt.com or something like that.

[dopediana]

rolling stone had a smarmy article about it back in 94 (duh) about how he was simply tired of living. he probably killed himself. courtney love is a self-absorbed idiot but i don't think she's capable of murder. i've only heard a few nirvana songs but i liked them. early 90s grunge is great. does anyone dig blind melon?

[Hate Is Art]

I can say that if Courtney Love and kurt never met Kurt would be alive today. But she didn't murder him.

Two Heroin addicts are self destructive and thats what happened, yes he was on skag before they met but there use of it together probably drove his habit on and on.

She was a whore and looks like a donkey. I dislike her, passionatly. He was relatively happy until they met.

[Urban Rubble]

Let's see.

It has been proved that Cobain had too much heroin in his system to stand up, much less pick up a shotgun and pull the trigger with his toe.

The gun was so big that he would have had to pull the trigger with his toe, which make sense, but throw in the fact that he was found with shoes on and it makes no sense.

His credit card was used after his death.

The "suicide letter", when examined, showed that the bottom half was written in slightly different handwriting. The first part sounds alot like a man who is quitting showbiz, the bottom part is the only part that mentions suicide.

A man the couple knew has come forward and said Courteney offered him $50,000 to kill him.

All those closest to Kurt said he was actually happier than he had been in years.

His fingerprints were not on the gun that killed him.

He had just bought a pistol days before, why would he use a shotgun ?

And on and on and on. I don't know what happened, but at the very least this evidence should have prompted them to re-open the case by now.

[mentalbunny]

How do you know all that for sure? Don't you think they would have noticed things like that in the original investigation? I guess there is a chance that they didn't, but I'm still skeptical.

[Pedro Alonso Lopez]

Politrickian I dont even like Nirvana but if you cant recognise music in terms of say emotion then you probably dont deserve to understand why he was good.

The rawness of the voice expressed a lot of emotion, more than most really good singers can portray, he also knows what chords will suit his voice and emotion. As a guitar player I can tell you that people enjoy the easier songs more than the difficult songs except for idiots like you.

You know why Jimi Hendrix was good? Because he expressed more from one note that most people can in one song, its the same with Cobain but with his voice.

[BOZG]

Geist is spot on. Nirvana would not be the same without that voice. His voice portrays more emotion than anybody who can sing properly. It gives an entire range of emotion all at once.

[Urban Rubble]

How do you know all that for sure? Don't you think they would have noticed things like that in the original investigation? I guess there is a chance that they didn't, but I'm still skeptical.

Well, yeah, most of it's been proven. Go to google and find the pic of his lower body in the garage after he killed himself, and then go find a pic of the gun he used. You can plainly see that the gun would have had to be shot with his toe, and you can see in the picture he is wearing shoes when he died.

[Rastafari]

Kurt is right up there with Jesus as the most overrated figures in the history of humanity.

[Politrickian]

roger that


Politrickian I dont even like Nirvana but if you cant recognise music in terms of say emotion then you probably dont deserve to understand why he was good

The emotions that he expressed??? My cat can express his emotions better if I put a guitar in his paws and give him a mic.

It's just that everyone is like "omg kurt cobain was such a good talented bla bla" and I'm getting sick of it. Everyone can express their emotions when they know a few chords. And I've seen far worse singers who can tell you what they feel by the way they sing so he isn't that special.

And c'mon, I listen to punk and hardcore, you think I'm a big fan of complex music and vocalists that can sing with a pure voice?

[Hate Is Art]

One Urban Rubble's post's i can answer definatly is the one about fingerprints on the gun. The reason behind lack of prints was because of rigor mortis his hands had set in that position and when they were wrenched free all the fingerprinting was removed.

And the heroin one, he took enough Heroin so as to be numbed completly, after injecting himself he would have had about 15-20 seconds before dieing of an overdose, this is ample time to shoot yourself in the head.

The one about the shoe's is interesting though, I had never thought about it before!

[guerrillaradio]

Heh. Gimme Minor Threat anyday.

[BOZG]

The reason behind lack of prints was because of rigor mortis his hands had set in that position and when they were wrenched free all the fingerprinting was removed.

That wouldn't remove the fingerprints. If it could, anyone could remove their fingerprints from something just by gripping something tightly for a while.

[BOZG]

Also DN, why bother taking heroin and shooting himself in the head as well. He was quite aware that the heroin would kill him extremely quickly. And he knew the gun would kill him straight away.

[mentalbunny]

I know I'm a bit behind but I finally heard negative creep (I've heard it covered before but never the original) and the emotion in that is fucking amazing. Sure other songs are really emotional, but for some reason they've never quite hit me like that one. Strange.

[atlanticche]

i always thought it was very similar to teritorial pissings no reason

[Pedro Alonso Lopez]

Originally posted by [email protected] 7 2004, 12:36 PM
roger that


Politrickian I dont even like Nirvana but if you cant recognise music in terms of say emotion then you probably dont deserve to understand why he was good

The emotions that he expressed??? My cat can express his emotions better if I put a guitar in his paws and give him a mic.

It's just that everyone is like "omg kurt cobain was such a good talented bla bla" and I'm getting sick of it. Everyone can express their emotions when they know a few chords. And I've seen far worse singers who can tell you what they feel by the way they sing so he isn't that special.

And c'mon, I listen to punk and hardcore, you think I'm a big fan of complex music and vocalists that can sing with a pure voice?

Have you ever seen footage of a Nirvana gig, as a punk fan you will know a wild crowd but none were wilder than a nirvana crowd, contrast this with the unplugged session.

I wont argue this with you, its a personal opinion. Neither of us are right.

[Rastafari]

I'd enjoy listening to The Plasmatics and Courtney Love over listening to anything Nirvana ever did by a factor of about 10.


live through this, *****es!
http://www.modernatomic.com/plasmatics/images/ssinsert.jpg


oh, and anyone who can defend anything on the Unplugged mess is a good liar.

[Urban Rubble]

You're wrong Rasta, just plain wrong.

Just because you don't enjoy something doesn't mean it sucked or was "overrated". Nirvana was something so original and so necessary for the time. They were real in a time when most musicians out there were fake, they were emotional, they had something to say and they actually cared about music over profit. The music isn't even really the issue, it's the impact they had.

[Rastafari]

If you say so man. The changes happening in music were percolating in the woodwork for a long time, and just needed some mouth-peices to vanguard it.

That's like saying Elvis was important just because he showed white kids that they could rock too.

[atlanticche]

Unplugged was well the best accoustic set ever, there is only one thateven compares and that is Pearl Jam's accoustic set, because well they are geniuses


and i am behind Urban Rubble for his last post all the way

[Rastafari]

UR is just jealous because my ball team is having a decent season so far, while his is 1-5!


explain why Unplugged is even good music.

[nezvanova]

well, considering kurt was A) in remissions, B) didn't make it to one rehersal and C) it was a live concert, unplugged was a phonominal performance. listen to some of their pirated stuff from portuguel (what was supposedly one of their best live gigs) and it doesn't hold a candle to unplugged! I'd say unplugged is comparable to most of their studio work, if not better. and he didn't screw up the man who sold the world! :P

and about the heroin in his system...wasn't he known to take insane amounts of heroin? like amounts that would normally kill a person. isn't it its possible that he had enough of a tolerance that it wouldn't have effected him the same..?

[Urban Rubble]

UR is just jealous because my ball team is having a decent season so far, while his is 1-5!

You'll pay for that you son of *****, just you wait and see. :angry:

Our two off-season aqquisitions are hurt. Wait till Scott Spiezio gets off his ass.


explain why Unplugged is even good music.

Explain why Bob Marley is good music. Explain why anything is good music. It's not very easy. I don't understand why you think just because you don't enjoy it, it sucks. That's not the case. I don't really even listen to Nirvana any more, but at one time in my life, they were something really important to me and the music helped me through some shitty times in my life. There are probably 100 bands that I would rather listen to at the moment, but I still recognize that Nirvana was original, they had alot of meaning to alot of people, whether you like it or not, they made amazing music, and they were some of the most truthful, genuine and passionate people I've ever met or known of. That is important to me, that is what every band should be, regarless of what their music sounds like.

[Rastafari]

You'll pay for that you son of *****, just you wait and see.

Our two off-season aqquisitions are hurt. Wait till Scott Spiezio gets off his ass.
660.

As for the Reds, there pitching is phenomonal thus far, but it can only go down, right?


hmm...as for Unplugged, I suppose some of what is being said is right, but from a talent perspective (what it all comes down to for a dick like me), Kurt isn't the 12th best Guitar player ever and sure as hell wouldn't top any lists for his voice.
That being said, neither would Bob Marley.

[nezvanova]

how did this turn into a topic about sports???? :huh: