I Quit

[RedAnarchist]

for me!

I've grown tired of it and feel that it has too many flaws.

So, i dont want to be a Communist any more. Sorry, but thats the way its going to be.

[Guest1]

Ok, what the fuck happened?

Here's a hint for you: nothing is perfect! If you think the world will be absolute paradise, you're in for a big surprise. The world can never be perfect. Communism, especially of the libertarian persuasion, accepts that and attempts to deal as best as it can with it. How? Through Democracy both in politics and labour (or for some, even Anarchy), the only way to ensure solutions brought by the people will be responded to quickly.

[Invictus]

Haha...this is funny. Are you guys going to kick him out of the Commie Club?

Come to the light..... http://forum.objectivismonline.net/index.php?act=idx

[suffianr]

Is this an April Fool's joke?

Or are you really at the end of your tether?

Well, we all go through periods of disillusionment, being human, after all, so maybe you want to think this one out before you head any further in the opposite direction (capitalism?). Just like the Matrix, I've been through five different stages of perception about the Left, and from the simple fact that I am still here and I still give a shit, maybe I'll go through five more episodes of Leftism before I finally decide what kind of leftist I really want to be... :)

[Danton]

Yeah I quit too, it's boring... I'm gonna become an evangilist :lol:

[Guest1]

Fuck it, I quit too... now where'd I put that revolver? :P

[Invictus]

Have a look at his political statement:


I'm Communist and my beliefs are Communism

[VukBZ2005]

Originally posted by [email protected] 1 2004, 08:35 AM
for me!

I've grown tired of it and feel that it has too many flaws.

So, i dont want to be a Communist any more. Sorry, but thats the way its going to be.
That Means that you did'nt have much faith in Communism to begin with did'nt you? or were you joking?

[RedAnarchist]

Just a joke.

Invictus, how the righty have fallen! :lol: You fell for it, didint you? *points at Invictus and laughs*

[Invictus]

haha

<--- Doesn&#39;t care

[RedAnarchist]

Invictus, i will be a communist until i am in a box six feet below the ground.

It is the idealogy of the people, a set of ideas which will on day cahng this world for the better. I am a Communist, and never will be a capitalist.

[Invictus]

<---Looks foward to meeting you in combat come the revolution.

[RedAnarchist]

<-------- looks forward to killing Invictus with one shot

Seriously Invictus, i suggest that when the Revolution comes, you should not try to resist. Communism will benefit all people when we get there.

Of course, first we have the Revolution. Then the socialist state. Then the Communist stateless utopia.

[Invictus]

Subordinating individual rights to the will of the "group", transforming the world into a giant collective, and turning man into a sacrificial animal with no purpose but the service of others will not be of benefit to me.

[RedAnarchist]

I&#39;m sure your Amerikkka wont be liberated for decades, so you cant just stay there if you wish to be a selfish, greedy, fast food eating capitalist for the rest of your pitiful life.

[Invictus]

I don&#39;t live in America. Nonetheless I do intend on remaining a selfish and greedy capitalist for some time. I&#39;d be willing to defend my right to live as I choose against the moral bankruptcy of collectivism.

[RedAnarchist]

You dont live in America?

Yet you appear to almost worship the US &#036;. Why is that your avatar anyway?

Would you care to enlighten us as to where you live? I assume you live in one of the Western capitalist nations.

[Invictus]

Mistake.

[Invictus]

I live in Australia.

I love money. (http://www.atlasshrugged.tv/speech.htm) The dollar sign is a symbol, not just of currency, but also of a free market and a free mind.

[Louis Pio]

The dollar sign is a symbol, not just of currency, but also of a free market and a free mind.

Yep the freedom to keep most of the world downthrotten is the best freedom of all or what? :rolleyes:

[Invictus]

Originally posted by [email protected] 1 2004, 12:26 PM
Yep the freedom to keep most of the world downthrotten is the best freedom of all or what? :rolleyes:
You&#39;re going to have to qualify that statement.

[Louis Pio]

Well look at what privatisation does to the workers of Pakistan http://www.ptudc.org/
Anyway I never met a rightwinger who could show that freetrade made more than a handfull of people rich

[Hiero]

Originally posted by [email protected] 1 2004, 11:21 AM
Subordinating individual rights to the will of the "group", turning man into a sacrificial animal with no purpose but the service of others will not be of benefit to me.
Mass firings - sacificial for profits, Workers - serivice of others, Workers - Commodity of employers. Hey isnt that capitalism.

[Pingu]

being a communist isn&#39;t fashionable anymore, it is sooooooo not cool <_<

let&#39;s be a cappie en exploit others.............

[Hoppe]

Originally posted by [email protected] 1 2004, 12:34 PM
Well look at what privatisation does to the workers of Pakistan http://www.ptudc.org/
Anyway I never met a rightwinger who could show that freetrade made more than a handfull of people rich
Look at the average income of people living in countries with "open" economies and compare it to the rest.

If you suggest that only a very small amount of people have benefitted from trade then maybe you should have your brain checked.

[Louis Pio]

If you suggest that only a very small amount of people have benefitted from trade

Comparing to the people who make the wealth ie the workers it is a small group of people.
In Denmark were I live they sack workers while giving a raise to the leadership of the company

I suggest you get your head cheked and get of your ass and experience things for yourself.
There is nothing as pathetic as rightwingers who use their time *****ing on leftist discussionboards

[Pedro Alonso Lopez]

If you expect to convince Randians that they should care about the welfare of the downtrodden you have quite a job.

Being a Randian is subverting passion to the reasons, something Hume pointed as unreasonable a long time ago.

Plus have any of you read any of Rand&#39;s work, possibly the most boring, unfeeling literature around.

[God of Imperia]

Those in favor of capitalism on this topic, do you really believe that the world gets better because of it? Why shouldn&#39;t you don&#39;t have any freedom in a communist world?

[Louis Pio]

you don&#39;t have any freedom in a communist world?

Well basically they want the freedom to exploit others I guess. So that&#39;s why they call it unfree. They don&#39;t care about the wellbeing of the big majority. Even though they try to make it seem like that with empty phrases about personal freedom

[Hoppe]

Originally posted by [email protected] 1 2004, 02:09 PM
Comparing to the people who make the wealth ie the workers it is a small group of people.
In Denmark were I live they sack workers while giving a raise to the leadership of the company

I suggest you get your head cheked and get of your ass and experience things for yourself.
There is nothing as pathetic as rightwingers who use their time *****ing on leftist discussionboards
Don&#39;t be so stupid. Sacking workers and giving payrise has absolutely nothing to do with free trade. I can understand why no one can convince if you use this as an argument, they just wouldn&#39;t care.

Boehoe, since when is everyone who is pro free trade a right-wing capitalist? Very disappointing, I probably needn&#39;t show you what protectionist policies will imply for a country, or is North-Korea such a nice place to live?


If you expect to convince Randians that they should care about the welfare of the downtrodden you have quite a job.

Being a Randian is subverting passion to the reasons, something Hume pointed as unreasonable a long time ago.

Plus have any of you read any of Rand&#39;s work, possibly the most boring, unfeeling literature around.

Oh please, is your view of capitalists so narrow that you think they are all worshipping Rand? Silly boy.

[Louis Pio]

I was never talking about freetrade. You shifted the focus.
But yes free trade has really helped the people of Latin America ehh? :rolleyes:

[SittingBull47]

you&#39;d never quit. I saw your posts and ur a solid commie.

Invictus + threatening to fight commies during the revolution = :lol:
Looks like theres a new righty on the lefty board.

[RedCeltic]

why is this funny?

[Louis Pio]

some good articles that touch upon the subject are

A Socialist alternative to the European Union (http://www.marxist.com/Europe/socialisteurope.html)

ATTAC: neither free trade nor protectionism are a solution (http://www.marxist.com/Europe/france_attac900.html)

A New Stage in the World Revolution (http://www.marxist.com/Europe/newstage.html)

Busted&#33; The ‘New Economic Paradigm’ Goes South (http://www.newyouth.com/archives/economicanalysis/busted_economy_goes_south_20010312.asp)

[Hoppe]

Originally posted by [email protected] 1 2004, 02:48 PM
I was never talking about freetrade. You shifted the focus.
But yes free trade has really helped the people of Latin America ehh? :rolleyes:
Yeah right. :rolleyes:

[QUOTE]Anyway I never met a rightwinger who could show that freetrade made more than a handfull of people rich
[QUOTE]

[Louis Pio]

Ahh I C. Well I made a mistake so you are allowed to dance around in joy clapping your fat little hands.

Or you could explain how freetrade benefits more than a minority?

[Misodoctakleidist]

Originally posted by [email protected] 1 2004, 01:59 PM
Look at the average income of people living in countries with "open" economies and compare it to the rest.
So the &#39;open economies&#39; exploit the rest of the world, it&#39;s good to see you&#39;ve learned something Hoppe.


Oh please, is your view of capitalists so narrow that you think they are all worshipping Rand? Silly boy.

I think it&#39;s quite obvious that Invicticus is a Randian drone, i mean c&#39;mon, he talks about politics on a collectivist-individualist spectrum, how long will it be before he says; "capitalism doesn&#39;t hold a gun to the workers heads....blah blah blah..."?

[Hoppe]

Originally posted by [email protected] 1 2004, 04:33 PM
So the &#39;open economies&#39; exploit the rest of the world, it&#39;s good to see you&#39;ve learned something Hoppe.

....

I think it&#39;s quite obvious that Invicticus is a Randian drone, i mean c&#39;mon, he talks about politics on a collectivist-individualist spectrum, how long will it be before he says; "capitalism doesn&#39;t hold a gun to the workers heads....blah blah blah..."?
True, the armies of Hong Kong, Liechteinstein, Luxemburg are marching through our streets to lock the last remaining free individuals in their sweatshops.


Or you could explain how freetrade benefits more than a minority?

ehm, common sense?

[Misodoctakleidist]

Originally posted by [email protected] 1 2004, 04:45 PM
True, the armies of Hong Kong, Liechteinstein, Luxemburg are marching through our streets to lock the last remaining free individuals in their sweatshops.
Hoppe, today i&#39;m going to teach you about something called tax, rich people don&#39;t like tax becuase they have to pay more of it. Litchenstein, Luxemburg and Hong Kong don&#39;t tax rich people as much as other countries so rich people like them and they go to live there.

[Hoppe]

Originally posted by [email protected] 1 2004, 05:01 PM
Hoppe, today i&#39;m going to teach you about something called tax, rich people don&#39;t like tax becuase they have to pay more of it. Litchenstein, Luxemburg and Hong Kong don&#39;t tax rich people as much as other countries so rich people like them and they go to live there.
Tnx, I am always open to new things. Anyhow, most poorer people hate tax as well. And your confusing Luxemburg and Hongkong with Monaco.

[Louis Pio]

ehm, common sense?


Hoppe there is not such thing. You just use an empty phrase. The western capitalist world was build on protectionism. How can poor countries benefit from free trade?

[Hoppe]

Originally posted by [email protected] 1 2004, 10:07 PM

ehm, common sense?


Hoppe there is not such thing. You just use an empty phrase. The western capitalist world was build on protectionism. How can poor countries benefit from free trade?
That&#39;s not entirely true. There wasn&#39;t always the amount of protectionism as we have nowadays. My country, the Neterlands, was build on this principle and we fought against Spain when they wanted to introduce protectionist policies and things like VAT.

But it&#39;s a nice question to bother Randians with, since I cannot deny governments have been extremely helpful to various companies. However, that&#39;s almost intrinsic to governments and democracy.

[RedAnarchist]

This thread started out as a April Fools joke.

I think a mod or admin should close and trash it. Of course, that is up to them.

[dark fairy]

I must admit you kind of had me going there for a while that was scary goddamn&#33;

[CorporationsRule]

Objectivism is nonsense

[Invictus]

Originally posted by [email protected] 5 2004, 05:34 AM
Objectivism is nonsense
Good argument.

[Misodoctakleidist]

Originally posted by Invictus+Apr 5 2004, 06:43 AM--> (Invictus @ Apr 5 2004, 06:43 AM)
[email protected] 5 2004, 05:34 AM
Objectivism is nonsense
Good argument. [/b]
Perfectly true though.

[shakermaker]

Originally posted by [email protected] 1 2004, 01:40 PM
being a communist isn&#39;t fashionable anymore, it is sooooooo not cool <_<
hey, who cares if communism is fashionable?
when it was? in the 60&#39;s? :unsure:

[Non-Sectarian Bastard!]

Originally posted by [email protected] 1 2004, 11:21 AM
Subordinating individual rights to the will of the "group", transforming the world into a giant collective, and turning man into a sacrificial animal with no purpose but the service of others will not be of benefit to me.
You don&#39;t have to loose your individuality in communism. Try to see further then authoritian communism. You don&#39;t have to be a number, as long as you have your ideals and strive for them, you don&#39;t have to loose your individuality. Try, read and discuss about Anarcho-Communism.