Mass Murderers

[Moskitto]

People talk about really nasty dictatorships killing millions of people (even Cuba for some reason, the population ratios seem to have been ignored,) In reality, only 17 people can be blamed for over a million deaths through Intensifying war, famine as a result of mismanagement, forced labour or mass murder. With 1 borderline case which I have not included.

Mao Zedung (China: 1949-76)
Adolf Hitler (Germany: 1933-45)
Iosip Stalin (USSR: 1924-54)
Chiang Kai-shek (China: 1928-49)
Enver Pasha (Turkey: 1913-18)
Hirohito (Japan: 1926-89)
Hirota Koki (Japan: 1936-37)
Ho Chi Minh (North Vietnam: 1945-69)
Kim Il Sung (North Korea: 1948-94)
Lenin (USSR: 1917-24)
Leopold II (Belgium: 1865-1909)
Nicholas II (Russia: 1894-1917)
Pol Pot (Cambodia: 1975-79)
Saddam Hussein (Iraq: 1969- )
Tojo Hideki (Japan: 1941-44)
Wilhelm II (Germany: 1888-1918)
Yahya Khan (Pakistan: 1969-71)

(Edited by Moskitto at 10:21 pm on Jan. 22, 2002)

[Kez]

Moskitto my friend, that is bullshit

what about the imperialist bastards who came all over africa, and stole all the riches, killing the inhabitants?

What about under Ottaman rule Kemel Ataturk, who between them commited the first genocide of the 20th century murdering 1.5 million armenian men, women and children.

What about the deaths caused by Yankee foreign policy? at least 3million and counting in the last 50 years

comrade kamo

[Moskitto]

I've included the Armenian Genocide, that's Envar Pusha of Turkey.

Eitherway it wasn't the first genocide of the 20th Century, Leopold II killed 8 million Africans through forced labour, although that generally gets relegated to the 19th century even though 40% happened in the 20th century.

And yes I have included th imperialist bastards, that's Leopold II for ya.

And Yankee foreign policy? this is individuals i'm counting, If it's over the last 50 years that's serveral individuals not one big individual.

[Kez]

My apologies on not seeing enver

However, how many poeple did JFK kill in vietnam? directly, and through famine?

How about in Iraq? hasnt the toll gone over a million, or millions?

comrade kamo

ps, im not trying to correct you comrade moskitto, just searching the truth so when we are in the real world, we can defeat the capitalist whores.

[Moskitto]

Annother point with those murderers is, they aren't all communists+Hitler like anti-communists would tell you. Only 6 of them are communists.

But Leopold II, he was seriously nasty, And he was a proper capitalist.

Saddam Hussein of Iraq is on the list, but something might have been fucked up with the statistics (like people include the holocaust under WW2 deaths, the Armenian genocide under WW1 deaths, Stalins Purges under soviet WW2 losses.)

Annother thing is, can you guess the borderline one? I excluded it because I thought it was below not above 1 million.

[I Will Deny You]

The Rwandan genocide? Most people think it's around 800,000 but some people say it's 1,000,000.

[MJM]

The problem with being a 1 party dictatorship is there's one man everyone will push the blame onto.
Of course our great leaders in 2 party dictatorships don't have this problem, a regular vote to appease the masses and let them think the ruling class gives a fuck, and voila absolution from your actions.

[Moskitto]

It's not the Rwandan genocide. Although statistics do range from 500,000 to 1.6 million. http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/warstat2.htm#Rwanda

The Awnser was. Tito. Although there is only 1 person who estimates a 1 million + figure. where as most other people estimate lower figure of <500,000.

[Pillar of Maturity]

What about decimation? Are any of the people on your list guilty of that? I think some are, but I don't have the facts that you seem to have.

[Moskitto]

Decimation? as in killing 1/10 of those under his command.

Certainly Pol Pot and Leopold II (both of them were very similar)

And I would think that most of them on the list are guilty of decimation except Mao and he's only excempt because of the vast numbers involved.

here's the website I got most of this from http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/20centry.htm

[Kez]

Quote: from Moskitto on 10:30 pm on Jan. 22, 2002

Saddam Hussein of Iraq is on the list, but something might have been fucked up with the statistics (like people include the holocaust under WW2 deaths, the Armenian genocide under WW1 deaths, Stalins Purges under soviet WW2 losses.)


what i meant was how many millions of people have been killed by the sanctions against iraq?

comrade kamo

[Moskitto]

hang on.

http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/warstat3.htm#Iraq98

Highest 1 million, Lowest 350,000, My guess, probably at least 600,000.

http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/warstat7.htm#Iraq98

Highest for bombing was about 2,000. Lowest was 600.
Me say, about 1,500.

[MJM]

Saddam Hussien will be blamed for the deaths caused by the sanctions, as is the case with most statistics like this I suspect.
I wonder how many deaths are given to 2 parties in these stats ie Mao and Chiang kai shek,Hitler and Stalin.
I'm just a bit suspicious about these things.

[Moskitto]

In terms of intentional deaths caused Mao and Ch'iang were probably about the same, it's just the great leap forward that puts Mao ahead.

Stalin and Hitler. Hitler was probably about 5 million worse.

[MJM]

What I meant was -2000 people die and both mao and kai shek are given the 2000 people in their list.
Doubling up the figures when in fact either one or the other is responsible.
So if the figures for the 2 are the same minus the the great leap forward this lends even more weight to my doubts about the accuracy and integrity of these types of stats.

[Kez]

WHEN WILL PEOPLE DENOUNCE STALINISM, THEN LAY THE FUCK OFF THE GUY

STALIN SHOULDNT BE THE SCAPEGOAT FOR THE PACIFISTS OF HERE

me thinks i over stepped the line
comrade kamo