How to start a revolution

[God of Imperia]

I was asking myself how you could start a revolution in a country in Europe, where it is difficult to get a large mass on your side, maybe one of you has some ideas about it ...

I think the first thing you have to do is find enough funds, ...

[mia wallace]

i think the circumstances are the most important factor. arter that it is very important to have large support of masses and, of course, quite a few people who would start a revolution with you, and for all that is needed money... :(

[BOZG]

It's extremely unlikely that you'll ever start a revolution. A revolution is a spontaneous reaction based on the circumstances of the times.

[Take the Power back]

A revolution happens if: The people are tired of their situation and mad at the government. The groups who start revolutions usually have strong leaders, who catch attention easily, think Hitler (ok, to some degree a revolution) Lenin, Castro with Che, etc. They usually have support of the people because of these leaders, and once you have the people on your side, you win.

[synthesis]

Historically, the way to start revolutions is primarily the acquisition of mass support.

Mao's guerilla armies would have gotten nowhere without the support of the peasants against the more powerful and established Kai-Shek. (At one point, angry peasants killed over 50,000 forces of Kai-Shek's; some soldiers were buried alive.)

However, the elite vanguard that takes power in the name of the proletariat (what most of you have been proposing) is a Leninist idea, not a Marxist one. It can only function in agrarian, backwards societies, not in industrialized nations as Marx desired.

Here's a summary I wrote awhile back of the Marxist thesis. I attempted to make it easy to understand for people who may be new to the cause, so give it a try. It is more orientated towards non-leftists, as it was originally addressed to one, but I hope it will help out some of you as well.

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Marx said that as capitalist-industrial technology grew (i.e., that technology which smooths the process of production and makes things more efficient) then the bourgeoisie (i.e. the people that own the technology: CEOs, etc) would have less and less need for workers and therefore would downsize as necessary. Unemployment then creates a labor surplus which the bourgeoisie uses as a justification for reducing wages and worsening conditions.

Eventually, as the technology has grown so efficient, then the wages are so low, the conditions are so bad, and the unemployment is so high that the proletariat has no other option for survival but to revolt. The government following the revolution is called Socialism - the dictatorship of the proletariat, just as Capitalism is the dictatorship of the bourgeoisie and Feudalism is the dictatorship of the aristocracy. It is a class dictatorship necessary to eliminate traces of bourgeois resistance.

Using the dialectical method of analysis, Marx looked beyond the form of the state (purporting to repress natural human instincts, that old capitalist scapegoat) and found its function - not human repression, necessarily, but that of class suppression. The proletariat utilizes the state to suppress the bourgeoisie. Once there is only the proletariat, the working class, there is no need for the state and it will vanish. Communism takes advantage of the extremely efficient (almost entirely automated) technology and puts it to public use rather than private use.

With all basic needs provided for, humanity is free to pursue anything they want. The pressure of a life as an artist disappears; an artist can now create truly excellent art as opposed to creating that art which enables him to survive off his earnings. Same with scientists and inventors; since the material incentive (i.e. the material necessity) is gone, the scientist is free to develop medicines that benefit the community rather than produce capital for the scientist, as the inventor is free to develop technology that benefits the community rather than produce capital for the inventor. Medicines and technology are inherently beneficial except when restricted to a private sector.

There are problems with the Marxist prediction, of course. In addition to more efficient technology, the bourgeoisie moves jobs overseas to turn a greater profit. The job flight creates nationalistic rather than socialistic tendencies among the workers, and nationalism is inherently opposed to socialism in that socialism is international.

The other problem Marx did not account for was that of social reformism such as the New Deal. Liberal capitalists have instituted reforms which were the only thing standing in the way of complete Marxist revolution, such as the minimum wage, social security, and health care. When the government creates jobs in the public sector (a.k.a. government employees) it is helping to correct flaws of the capitalist system in order to dispel the worst of proletarian angst. As capitalists work to destroy these pieces of legislation, they work only to seal their own fate.

Discussion of the conditions necessary to create proletarian revolution should be the primary undertaking of socialists in the 21st century.

[SonofRage]

BornOfZapatasGuns has it right. I don't think the point is to try and "start" a revolution. The point is to be organized for when the time comes.

[God of Imperia]

How about this idea (it's pretty slow):
You have the funds (some way or another), the first you do is get the public/mass to know your name. Newspapers, media ... Do some small charity things, escpially locally, what you need is a strong support of your environment. You open some kind of center, where you give like each friday free food and drinks. The people who will come to this are students (I would come, free food!!!), students are very important for a revolution; people who are poor, they should be interested in a change of politics where everyone has enough and just some curious people who you can also use. After this you should begin with a club that people can join and then grow, grow, grow until you reach the strenght you want.
I know this isn't a failsafe plan, but it's a start. Anyone suggestions?

[God of Imperia]

Also something you need is a charismatic leader, now more than ever with all the media!!!

[Dune Dx]

This situation is likely to happen in britain in about 2024 when the old outnumber the young and the old just exploit the poor by having huge pensions which the young have to pay for, so big the young cant efford homes, holidays kids then a casue fro revolution will rise if you persuade the young that communism provides the awnsers then they will rebel and succesfully because the young will be in the army and the old havnt really got the strength to defend themselves

[God of Imperia]

Maybe, but where's the fame in a revolution against old people :)

[Dune Dx]

If your trying to set up communism with fame as an objsective it will only turn currupt

[God of Imperia]

I was just joking, but you know, if the revolution starts as you say, then it will only lead to the oppresion of the old, and that's not what communism is about

[Dune Dx]

No it will lead to fair pensions rather than totally unfair ones that opress the young. The old wont be exploited because this is the youngs parents were talkin about and the younfg have to get old sometime

[God of Imperia]

If there is a revolution, the best place to start is on an island, so England would be a good choice, but I hope that it doesn't stop there, IF it happens

[Hate Is Art]

revolt or uprisings?

Once you decide how you will try to achieve socialism in your country then the next step is simple.

Revolt?
You need well trained, dedicated men. Lot's of them. Money. Arms. It is risky and hard to implement. Chances are it will fail, public support is nessescary to achieve change through this method.

Uprisings?
You will need to convince the masses that we need change and a major event to spur them into action. Mass rioting and protests will ensue. The Proles will take power hopefully.

That is very brief description of the 2 major ways to take power.

[God of Imperia]

Which one would you choose in an European country and how you would bring it in practice? How would you try to get the support of the masses, how would you organise your movement? We are with many here, we could like all take a small part and then try to mix it...

[Dune Dx]

Revolt is better riots dont change anything

[God of Imperia]

They just give you a bad image

[BOZG]

But what exactly is your definition of a riot?

[God of Imperia]

Hmm, I'm no good at definitions but what about a large group of people fighting with the police, burning cars and things ...

[Essential Insignificance]

How to start a revolution

Theres know way to "state" a revolution independent of the material conditions. Ergo it not up to you or me to launch a revolution on our stipulated demand, this is just idealist nonsense, albeit, the Leninist will confute this supposition.

Perhaps rightly so, because that is what Leninist conjecture, but look where is got them-capitalism. The laws of historical development have proven to be in successive epochs of modes of production, as Marx premised.

All we ''communist'' can do is educate the proletarians and let time take its course, the proletarian as a cohort will lead the communistic revolution.

[God of Imperia]

So because we can't launch a revolution is it wrong to discus how it should be done?

[Essential Insignificance]

So because we can't launch a revolution is it wrong to discus how it should be done?

It is apt I assume to solicit what you definitely mean when you say ''we''…I assume that you mean the assortment of ''consciousness''-Marxist, Communist, Socialist and perhaps even Anarchist…but this is properly inconsequential to the question.

You can palaver what ever you yearn…its up to you. From you suppositions it seems you are still indicating that you can lunch a revolution irrespective of the proletarians consciousness of their historical role, the emancipation of themselves from the tyranny of slave-wage-labour.

[shyguywannadie]

You lot are so fucking small minded its laughable.


Didnt your beloved che say something about achieving the impossible?

All I see is cowards, we can overthrow our leaders in ANY country.

[Essential Insignificance]

You lot are so fucking small minded its laughable.


Didnt your beloved che say something about achieving the impossible?

All I see is cowards, we can overthrow our leaders in ANY country.


Yes Che did say, ''lets be realistic and try the impossible'', but I fail miserably to see what relevance this has to your point. Lets not assert circumstantial thoughts…not all communist are passionate admires of Che.

Again, whom is ''we''…it materialise ubiquitously here, yet I still fail to comprehend who ''we'' in point of fact is. Can you clarity who, ''we'' is.

From your placement it is seemingly you who is the diminutive minded one.

[God of Imperia]

The we doesn't matter, everyone can give vision on this situation...

[Hate Is Art]

hey shyguy? what are doing for the revolution?

you have to realise most people on che-lives are in their teens, they are not prepared to throw away their lives for the revolution when communism could easily be a passing fad.

organising a revolution isn't something you start at 9am monday morning and put into operation next wedensday! how long was Fidel planning revolution in cuba? how about Lenin in russia?

Twat.

[shyguywannadie]

Originally posted by Essential [email protected] 1 2004, 02:49 AM

You lot are so fucking small minded its laughable.


Didnt your beloved che say something about achieving the impossible?

All I see is cowards, we can overthrow our leaders in ANY country.


Yes Che did say, ''lets be realistic and try the impossible'', but I fail miserably to see what relevance this has to your point. Lets not assert circumstantial thoughts…not all communist are passionate admires of Che.

Again, whom is ''we''…it materialise ubiquitously here, yet I still fail to comprehend who ''we'' in point of fact is. Can you clarity who, ''we'' is.

From your placement it is seemingly you who is the diminutive minded one.
And there was me thinking this forum was called CHE lives, silly me :rolleyes:

[shyguywannadie]

Originally posted by Digital [email protected] 1 2004, 03:12 PM
hey shyguy? what are doing for the revolution?

you have to realise most people on che-lives are in their teens, they are not prepared to throw away their lives for the revolution when communism could easily be a passing fad.

organising a revolution isn't something you start at 9am monday morning and put into operation next wedensday! how long was Fidel planning revolution in cuba? how about Lenin in russia?

Twat.
First if all you dont know my situation and what I do/olannig stage or whatever I may be up to.

Dont end your post with "twat" it just shows your arogence and that your a school kid.

[Hate Is Art]

I am a school kid.

and you are a twat, you attacked him without knowing his circumstances and then attacked me for doing that to you.

twat.

[God of Imperia]

Hey come on guys, we're losing the point here, I'm not talking about starting a revolution, I was talking about how it shoud be done ...

[Dune Dx]

I think che lives should all meet up in london - but thats not possible so hey

[shyguywannadie]

Originally posted by Dune [email protected] 1 2004, 06:28 PM
I think che lives should all meet up in london - but thats not possible so hey
I'll meet you in London.

[God of Imperia]

I would, but I won't make it ...

[Essential Insignificance]

The we doesn't matter, everyone can give vision on this situation...

It does...and yes, of course everyone can give thier own personal "vision(s) " of the situation. :D




And there was me thinking this forum was called CHE lives, silly me

There you go again manifesting assertions with know evidence. Just because one discourses on "Che-lives" does not inturn make one an admire of him.

[pandora]

I think we need to start a world wide revolution of mind.

First we need to take theory and put it into practice, than find terms that people can relate to and put into practice in their lives so they catch on, like for example, how the band name 'No Means No' caught on in Eastern Europe so that soon street punks were spray painting it on thousand year old buildings.

Find a way to put revolutionary pedagogy and praxis into means and ideas that people can understand and spread it through something like music or books, kids in Prague told me they had learned English from Agnostic Front tapes smuggled in during the Cold War, and that they had gone to California and asked Jello Biafra if they should revolt, to which he was like what the fuck are you asking me for.

Music from the heart of revolution can be a powerful conduit, but if it gets to preachy the proleteriat will drop it as bougeois and stupid

[Essential Insignificance]

If you covet to deposit theory in to practice its appropriately paramount you know it !… and if that theory is Marxism, I am positive that you will recognize that individuals will not lead the revolution.

Its a very dignified deliberation…good providence your going to need it !.

[God of Imperia]

you've got a good point, first spread the ideas to prepare the people, let us call that step 1 :)
what should be next?

[Hate Is Art]

hahaha, shyguy you are evil!

but right, we all need to work towards the revolution, too many people are idle.

[God of Imperia]

You know, the easyiest solution is hide two people, a girl and a boy in a bunker with a lot of books about communism and things and just kill the rest of the planet ...

[Nas]

look into history for an answer




history will repeat its self

[God of Imperia]

Then we have nothing good to expect ... If history just keeps repeating itself, what the point of trying to establish something good that you want to last forever ...

[Essential Insignificance]

history will repeat its self

The widespread misleading notion that men himself relentlessly reiterates…"history" does not repeat itself in all cases of successive occurrences.

[SittingBull47]

Originally posted by [email protected] 29 2004, 10:07 PM
It's extremely unlikely that you'll ever start a revolution. A revolution is a spontaneous reaction based on the circumstances of the times.
that's true, but there were some cases in which a revolution or armed uprising was planned and carried out. You can classify the Russian revolution of 1917 as that sort of revolution.

[Essential Insignificance]

that's true, but there were some cases in which a revolution or armed uprising was planned and carried out. You can classify the Russian revolution of 1917 as that sort of revolution.

I presume your talking about the October revolution. I suggest you have an examination of the February and March revolution. Carried out by the Petrograd masses.

But you seem to be on the "right road".

[Hate Is Art]

I like GOI idea about killing everyone and leaving two communists left <_<

[God of Imperia]

It is a nice idea, but we might perhaps try something else first ... Before we kill the whole world. I guess these days you can&#39;t do anything without money, does anyone have like a millionair as father/mother or aunt/uncle?

[Nas]

Originally posted by Essential [email protected] 6 2004, 12:37 AM

history will repeat its self

The widespread misleading notion that men himself relentlessly reiterates…"history" does not repeat itself in all cases of successive occurrences.
"Then we have nothing good to expect ... If history just keeps repeating itself, what the point of trying to establish something good that you want to last forever ... "


what are you talking about?-the topic says how to start a revolution , all i said was look in history for the answer -meaning- look into the past revolutions for the answer :

look into all kinds of past revolutions :

american revolution (usa vs britain)
russian revolution (Bosheviks)
french revolution (kings and peasents)
chinese revolution (Mao)
the rise of Hitler (how Hitler turned Germany around)
the rise of Mussolini (how Benito turned Italy around)

and so on ..

even though there is a lot of difference between all of these events according to time, technology and blah, blah, blah - some concepts still remain the same

i said History will repeat its self but like he said not in all cases

[Nas]

you prefer evolution rather than revolution?

[Essential Insignificance]

what are you talking about?-the topic says how to start a revolution

Generally…topics become of "track" from there first stated topic thought the course of their growth…I quess you could articulate that history is replicating itself in this posture.


look into the past revolutions for the answer :

look into all kinds of past revolutions :

american revolution (usa vs britain)
russian revolution (Bosheviks)
french revolution (kings and peasents)
chinese revolution (Mao)
the rise of Hitler (how Hitler turned Germany around)
the rise of Mussolini (how Benito turned Italy around)

I understand what you mean…but what context are you laying your views down upon. Do you mean to say that there will be another Hitler or a further Russian revolution. You could be right…it would be best to analyse the material conditions, to unearth a respondence.

But these revolutions that you converse were all bourgeoisie revolutions…same not in name through…do you mean to say that again there will be bourgeoisie revolutions in theses countries.

There will however be proletarian revolutions, in given time.

Is this what you mean by "history repeats itself".

You’re also now say that history has all the answers and not that history repeats itself. There is an pretentious difference between the two.


said History will repeat its self but like he said not in all cases

It must be asked...what "cases".


you prefer evolution rather than revolution?

Clever guy. Its up to the proletarian...when regarding the communist revolution.

[communist_comrade]

hey,


well um to start a revolution you do it in this order :

1- get a mass behind you.

2-secure all the weaponry,food,safe houses etc

3-one night ,as a declaration of war, you go and bomb a military or government building and take power of some stuff (possibly military to get ammunition,explosives,heavy firepower and just natural power.)

4-disperse and regroup in jungle area and secure land.

5-send groups into cities for support and propaganda as well as to secure the area

6-move people to other parts of the country and then smuggle gun parts accross and then go tet offensive style -hug the belt and hold you ground...this should get a revolution started.

[God of Imperia]

What if there isn&#39;t a jungle where you can regroup, maybe a large forest or something, but not a jungle... Not in Europe, there are some places you could use if you need somewhere to hide. But it will become difficult to hide a group of 100 men.

[communist_comrade]

hey,

a large forest or even just a big safe house...you just need a place that you can ,if need be, escape by ...if soldiers catch up with you its not good if you run into a city ,so any land that can be used to hide in and /or escape in...you read about vietnam and adapt ....why do you want to know this stuff anyway ? oh and by the way the golden rule of guerrilla warfare is hug the belt ...stay close to the enemy so air or artillery power cant be bought in...they arent gonna call in for some big ass naval guns or mortar style support if they think they are gonna get blown away with you and if you see someone that is conscripted dont aim to kill...try and shatter their knee -it will put them out of action but it wont kill them and burdon your soul and also dont group in masses where they can bomb you ..have a way to get out everytime and trust your brother.

[God of Imperia]

Why I wanted to know this? We all talk about THE REVOLUTION, but that&#39;s as far as it goes (me included), so I wanted to know what we would have to do to actually start a revolution. What is the point of talking about what you would do after the revolution if you don&#39;t know how to start one ... That is what I think.

[redstar2000]

Also something you need is a charismatic leader, now more than ever with all the media&#33;&#33;&#33;

No, that&#39;s exactly what&#39;s not needed and would be a disaster should it happen.

Instead of taking power and initiative into their own hands, the masses would sit back and wait for the leader and his closest disciples to "do everything".

The consequence would be just another odious despotism...and the restoration of capitalism.


Didn&#39;t your beloved Che say something about achieving the impossible?

Yes, he did make that "romantic" appeal. In the real world, trying to achieve the "impossible" just gets you killed.

The sensible voices in this thread have already pointed out that real proletarian revolutions are not "started" by small groups of conscious revolutionaries. They are mass upheavals that result from the intersection of many material and ideological causes.

We are one of those ideological causes...we criticize capitalism and advocate communism and thus prepare "public opinion" for the "idea" of revolution and what it necessitates.

Lenin and the Bolsheviks did not "plan" the great February revolution in Russia, nor did Mao "plan" the on-going peasant uprisings in 20th century China...both of those things would have happened if Lenin and Mao had never existed.

What they did was put forward political programs that generated wide-spread support from a whole country full of people who wanted revolutionary change (whether that support was justified is another question).

If you want to "start" a revolution, that&#39;s how it&#39;s done: put forward a revolutionary set of ideas that will be widely known and acted upon when and only when the masses want revolutionary change.

Think of how many people come to this board with only the haziest idea of what communism really is...and how it must be explained over and over again.

Now imagine if millions and tens of millions of workers already knew those answers. If they decided that revolution was really necessary, they&#39;d already know what had to be done and would do it.

No vanguard or charismatic "great leader" would be required. Or desired.

The answer is "easy" really: make communist ideas the property of the working class.

All the rest will follow.

:redstar2000:

The Redstar2000 Papers (http://www.redstar2000papers.vze.com)
A site about communist ideas

[God of Imperia]

You still need much money and many men/women to do this. Also the workers have to want to know what communism is. I have a question if I may, let us say all the workers know what communism is, what will happen? Will everything change in a day? Will there be a revolution against who? The soldiers are also just workers, so they&#39;ll be on the good side. I don&#39;t think there are enough real capitalists to have a revolution ...

[guerrillaradio]

Let&#39;s be realistic, any revolution today would need the support/funding of another state. Otherwise, some CIA puppet army will merely blow us to the ground.

[God of Imperia]

I was thinking, people had pro&#39;s and con&#39;s for a charismatic leader, but what about just a face for the revolution, a logo, a quote or something else, anyone has ideas about this?
Btw: on the CIA thing, I think the CIA&#39;s power is overrated, only in Middle and South America they have a lot of power and influence (see history), but outside, they can bribe people, they can kill people, but setting up a puppet army ... They won&#39;t be able to do this in Europe, they prob can in Africa, maybe in the Middle East and in Asia I wouldn&#39;t know ...

[Raisa]

Originally posted by God of [email protected] 30 2004, 04:00 PM
How about this idea (it&#39;s pretty slow):
You have the funds (some way or another), the first you do is get the public/mass to know your name. Newspapers, media ... Do some small charity things, escpially locally, what you need is a strong support of your environment. You open some kind of center, where you give like each friday free food and drinks. The people who will come to this are students (I would come, free food&#33;&#33;&#33;), students are very important for a revolution; people who are poor, they should be interested in a change of politics where everyone has enough and just some curious people who you can also use. After this you should begin with a club that people can join and then grow, grow, grow until you reach the strenght you want.
I know this isn&#39;t a failsafe plan, but it&#39;s a start. Anyone suggestions?
yes. this is a good idea, i think you are on the right track. Dont go out of your way to get a name, let it be your nature.

[Essential Insignificance]

Let&#39;s be realistic, any revolution today would need the support/funding of another state. Otherwise, some CIA puppet army will merely blow us to the ground.

I disagree rather exceedingly…why, would there.

In a third world country…possibly...yes.

In a vastly developed capitalist nation…most unquestionably…no.

[dark fairy]

whoa... you would need time. some money, and propaganda... get it out in the open :unsure:

[Essential Insignificance]

some money

What on earth for…I wonder.

[God of Imperia]

Originally posted by Essential [email protected] 21 2004, 02:43 AM

some money

What on earth for…I wonder.
To buy the things you need, to educate the workers, to spread ideas, to ... many many things you need money for in this world, to bad.

[Essential Insignificance]

To buy the things you need, to educate the workers, to spread ideas, to ... many many things you need money for in this world, to bad.

Lets try to be more specific.

Revolutionary ideas will "spread" on their own accord.

Yes...you do need "money" for a lot of things…but a revolution in a advanced capitalist nation, is not one.

[BOZG]

Revolutionary ideas will "spread" on their own accord.

And the goal of class conscious revolutionaries is to speep up that process by using any platforms available to them which requires money to do so. One of the most important aspects of any revolutionary organisation (party or not) is finance. We live in a capitalist, money based society and unfortunately we cannot function by completely rejecting this.

[God of Imperia]

You have to read Lardlad&#39;s topic, it is also about starting a revolution. He is more specific and it&#39;s very interesting what he says&#33;&#33;&#33;

[Essential Insignificance]

And the goal of class conscious revolutionaries is to speep up that process by using any platforms available to them which requires money to do so. One of the most important aspects of any revolutionary organisation (party or not) is finance. We live in a capitalist, money based society and unfortunately we cannot function by completely rejecting this.

Sure…but do you directly suppose that there will need to be "gigantic" sums of money to finance the "speeding" up of the consciousness of the proletarians…through that of the evaluation of material.

I in relatively, recent times brought a whole selection of pamphlets and books by Marx and Engel’s…it priced "next to nothing".

I wasn’t proposing to "reject" the usefulness of money, to purchase books and the alike, to "speed" up the development…it would fundamentally…but material conditions are going to be the "big player" in the consciousness of the proletarians…not books insomuch.

[God of Imperia]

So in other words you say that you agree on the fact that we will need money, but you think it won&#39;t be that much?

[pandora]

Take back education

[Essential Insignificance]

The reliability of money is trivial…in the "big" scheme of "things".

[Dune Dx]

I dont know what happened I havnt looked at this thread in ages my London idea what happend that would be sad but so kool.

a few problems with the regroup in a large forest jungle idea - all from a brittish point of view.

THE COLD THE COLD THE COLD THE COLD THE COLD
THE RAIN THE RAIN THE RAIN THE RAIN THE RAIN

and why do we need to im presuming this idea is taken from the example of Vietnam, where they had to beat a superpower with a vast technological advantage
If this happened in Britain once we have the army on our side we really cant loose think its an island with a large Navy all you have to do is stop an unlikely invasion. If the CIA comes we have the SAS the best ( i love to brag about the brittish armed forces) special forces in the world


dont read this bit if you dont wont to know how good the SAS are


ok a bit bad because they are fighting communists but hold judgement till you here how well they were trained.

200 communists attacked this Outpost being manned by 7 SAS men
one SAS man ran to get controll of a 3 man field gun and perated on his on loading aiming and firing the rest did covering fire finally the communists brake through the barbed wire perimter running straight at the field gun another sas man runs to the gun to help his friend and gets shot in the jaw the SAS man using the field gun lifts it right up and fire point blanc till he is shot and falls to the ground but prompts himself up and fires his machine gun at the approching commies untill he is alos shot in the head three more SAS men run for the gun push back the attackers and start to advance one man is put out of actiion but not killed finally the communists brake and run&#33;

[Dune Dx]

why has no onne replied?

sniff sniff :unsure:

[Essential Insignificance]

why has no onne replied?

Properly because of the posts obscureness. But there&#39;s your "reply".