Religion

[The Rapparee]

Is there any room fro religion? I don't agree with Marxs theory that it is the utopia of the capitalist system.

[Kez]

This is an issue i have also thought about too, one must see how capitlaism uses religion to fuck the workers,
If religion wanted to, it could support, the good, and support the workers, and one can see how marx sed that it is the opium of the people

comrade kamo

[CommieBastard]

Religion, like so many other things, has the potential for the use for 'good' (if such a term is definable). However, it has commonly been used for both 'good' and 'bad'. People have the right to choose religion, but i don't think religion has the right to choose people...
that is why i think that some way has to be found to prevent the devout forcing their teachings upon their children, and also upon other's children.
The reason? as soon as you start accepting the external interpretations of a religion, then the religion and beleif has a control of you, instead of the other way around.

[revolutionary]

Religion is there to distract the ppl. It has no room in communism because religion is the believe that god will guide you and that leds to the believe that fate is set by God and there is no point in fighting for freedom. Gods cause wars because if ppl believe that their god will deside their fate they will fight to the death to protect their God. Brotherhood is the only form of 'religion' that should play a part in communism

[revolutionary]

Though what i have just said makes it sound clear, i do not know the views of other commumists nor the views of Che. I am not sure were religion stops uniting ppl and starts breaking them.

[CommieBastard]

For people to be equal, they must have the equal right to choose in that which they beleive, as long as that does not impinge on others.
religion has no place in a communist state, but it has every right to exist as a part of communist society, as it is not out of necessity divisive

[tyronelad]

Peoples interpretations of religion vary greatly.

I believe in some sort of higher power (if there isn't, how didi the universe begin? the bang bang? where'd all the hydrogen and Helium come from to make it?)

All this stuff about Jesus was hi-jacked- he was fighting against the imperialistic set up of the Jewish religion- recent digs in Jerusalem show that the High Priests had thier own baths in thier homes- these were decorated. Then there was that stuff in the temple when he knocked the table over in protest at the money exchange

[Moskitto]

My mum teaches a Jehova's witness.
My brother is a really right wing conservative baptist
I'm a fairly liberal anglican
My dad is a liberal quaker
My mum is a slightly more conservative anglican

We all have different interpretations of what Christianity is.

I do not believe that god decides everything for you because that would limit freedom.

Instead I think god gives you the strength to change the world to make it a better place.

Infact, in most religions, taking them down to the core, they're all based on the principle of helping those who are less fortunate than you. So I don't see that other religions are wrong paths (like my brother believes,) I think they are different paths to the same place.

[I Will Deny You]

Quote: from revolutionary on 8:44 pm on Jan. 22, 2002
Religion is there to distract the ppl. It has no room in communism because religion is the believe that god will guide you and that leds to the believe that fate is set by God and there is no point in fighting for freedom. Gods cause wars because if ppl believe that their god will deside their fate they will fight to the death to protect their God. Brotherhood is the only form of 'religion' that should play a part in communism
I'm not a Christian or a Muslim, but I have a lot of respect for both of these religions and I appreciate the fact that Christians and Muslims worked so hard during the Civil Rights movement. Religion can be used for good as much as it can be used for evil. Remember that.

[HardcoreCommie]

Please don't think I'm dismissing the question, but why do you really care?

Perhaps it's just me but it seems that asking if there's any room for religion is much like asking if there's any room for people with religious views.

Again, perhaps it's just me, but such a question frightens me.

We may all fancy ourselves intelligent, some here do so to such an extreme that in my opinion they've deluded themselves to thinking the "masses" are deluded. Yet for whatever brains we may or may not posses, we are in no justifiable position, and will never be in any justifiable position, to tell people what they SHOULD or SHOULDN'T think.

So remember that your opinion of religion is just that, your opinion.

[Renegade]

My opinion is that people should be allowed religious freedom, but religion has no place in the government or in education.

Religious schools should be burned to the ground.

[CommieBastard]

HardCoreCommie, i agree with you. *kills himself*
you basically just reiterated my point... except that you said about how the masses aren't deluded... well, i'm afraid the "masses", as you have termed them, are certainly deluded...
People readily accept the comfortable lies they are fed, and do not in fact form their own opinions or beleifs, but just accept those that are shoved down their throats. Now, i do not suggest forcing people to beleive in anything, because that would make our whole cause pointless. Communism is about freedom and equality, as bakunin said, "...freedom withbout socialism is privilege and injustice, and... socialism without freedom is slavery and brutality."
The way the cause must be fought is not, as a stalnist i spoke to recently suggested, to use means of coercion to force people to follow communism. We must present to people alternative opinions, and let THEM choose for themselves what they beleive once they have seen a variety of unbiased facts and opinions.
People fear coercion, and rightly so.