Zeke's theory on Socialism

[Comrade Zeke]

Here is my theory on how Socialism should be run

A Socialist leader is elected in any country here is how in my opinion on how the system should be run…..he or she fires all members of the current government which would probably be conservatives, or something that is pro-right. He would then appoint a cabinet of 15 members and appoint a Prime Minister. His cabinet wouldn’t help him in as a regular cabinet would. Each member of the cabinet would be given a special title, and would be in charge of a certain sector of the government.
Here are the members of the cabinet:

1. Secretary of the foreign affairs-would handle immigration to the country, and be in charge of peace treaties. In charge of ambassadors
2. Secretary of trade- Be in charge of all tariffs, and trade with other countries.
3. Secretary of Manufacturing- would be in charge of rapid industrial development in the country, to get productivity of all cars, weapons, pretty much anything that had to do with machines would be manufactured within five years. Would be in charge of factory workers after the people directly elected the people who would run the factories
4. Secretary of Education- would be in charge of setting up a local school in each town city and little village in the country. He or she would also be in charge of setting up at least two universities in each major city. Appoints teachers after people elect them
5. Secretary of political parties-would be in charge that all other political parties would have a say in the workings of the government and would have a fair and legal chance in the government. Would appoint party leaders after elected by the party itself
6. Secretary of Land and Farming-All land would and farm land would be re-organized, all families would be given 5 acres of land, all one person families would be given 2 acres, all farmers would be given 20 acres, they must however work the land, raise cows, chickens and all other meat produces and sell half there produce to the government so it can be disturbed to all the people of the country. Would be in charge of appointing farmers after people elected them
7, Secretary of transportation-Would be in charge of issuing busses, trains, planes and making sure they ran on time to all major towns and cities. Would issue licenses givers and the sort.
8. Secretary of Healthcare-In charge of discovering new advanced medicine. And appointing doctors after the people elect them.
9. Secretary of Science-In charge of appointing all scientists, after the people elect them
10. Secretary of Entertainment-In charge of all Entertainment, a movie theater, park and fair must be in every town in the country, as well as higher forms of entertainment in each major city. In charge of putting all people who are to build movie theaters etc. along with the people.
11. Secretary of hazards preventer-Is in charge of making sure there is a fire tornado, flood, and anything hazards departments in all towns and cities.
12. Secretary of police-In charge that at LEAST two police men in each town and city. People elect police
13. Secretary of defense-In command of People’s army, in charge making sure the entire army of that country is highly trained and has the most advanced weapons, keeps army at a minimum of 20,000 men and woman.
14. Secretary of religion-In charge of making sure there is a: Chartism, Pagan, Islamic, Jewish, Hindu, Buddist, and any other religion have a church or a holy center in each town. Religious leaders elected by people.
15. Secretary of national pride-help keep national pride high in one’s country.
16. Secretary of roads-Appoints people to build roads.
17 Secarteay of arts-Is in charge of art,music, writing, etc.

The government would be divided into the tradition three branches of legislative, Executive and Judicial. After that there would be the people’s commission which would vote for the mayors for each town and city in the country. The Mayor in turn with the people and the secretaries would vote for the fireman, police men, and workers etc. For all the major things I stated that society needs. Each town and city would have a store, simply know as “The Store” they there would one more store called the “foreign goods store” it would sell stuff from foreign countries. It would be the only private businesses in the whole country. Every thing would be owned by the people, the stores, the factories everything. A town would have all kinds of churches, movie theaters, etc. The people would choose there workers…the secretaries however are appointed only if that have P.H.Ds in their subjects. However every one would own there own land and it wouldn’t be confiscated by the government.

When you are 6 year old you go to school till your 18….Then when you turn 18 you must either join the army for 4 years or do community service for 4 years. So the nation doesn’t fall apart. When you are 23 you go to the university or begin your life. You choose your job as a farmer, factory work, hazards worker, police men, army officer, transportation driver, religious priest, government worker, ECT. Sometimes if the community sees fit you get elected to a mayor, or secretary. You work 48 hours a week. Saturdays and Sundays you get off. All jobs pay 20 dollars an hour the Tax rate 43%. All your utilizes are free, water, electricity, rent, everything for your house, free education and medical care food is extremely cheep 75 cents a loaf of bread. These are high tariffs on all imported goods. All towns may call up a Militia in times of war if need be.
No one may buy more land they must keep there five acres. You may also be a writer, musician and artist but you can only earn up to 50,000 a year. Half of that goes to taxes. You get everything pretty much free, but with high taxes.

That is my idea of the perfect system…………Praise, is welcome and you can critize my plan if you wish.

[BOZG]

A Socialist leader is elected in any country here is how in my opinion on how the system should be run…..

Why do you need a single leader?



would then appoint a cabinet of 15 members and appoint a Prime Minister.

All officials MUST be elected by the people. No exceptions.



The government would be divided into the tradition three branches of legislative, Executive and Judicial.

Bourgeois parliamentarianism is ridiculous and undemocratic. Workers' democracy is essential for any socialist society.



there would one more store called the “foreign goods store” it would sell stuff from foreign countries. It would be the only private businesses in the whole country

Why is this foreign owned? Are you talking about a socialist world or a single socialist state? If it's a socialist state, the state (as in the people as whole) must have a monopoly on foreign trade, preventing repatriation of money.



The people would choose there workers…the secretaries however are appointed only if that have P.H.Ds in their subjects

Choose their workers? Will you get a grip. Most people are already workers, why would that change? As for having PhDs in order to get a job is completely ridiculous. Why do you need a piece of paper to qualify you for a job?



You work 48 hours a week.

You want to increase the working week??? Why? We live in a time of complete alienation, where people live a completely routined life? Work, eat, sleep. We want to increase the leisure time for people, to allow them to take a fuller role in society? How can they do that if there in work for 10 out of a usual 16 hours day (minus sleeping time).?



All jobs pay 20 dollars an hour the Tax rate 43%.

I'm guessing that the high taxes are there so that most utilities can be provided for free? This is unnecessary, the resources for such a society are already available, just not distributed.

[redstar2000]

Zeke, you cannot have a "theory" of "how socialism should be run" until you understand at least the basics of what socialism is and is not.

You seem to be completely clueless on this subject.

This is shown by the fact that you "tinker" with the state apparatus and the economy...and think this will make things "really different".

You have much to learn...to put it as charitably as I can.

:redstar2000:

The Redstar2000 Papers (http://www.redstar2000papers.vze.com)
A site about communist ideas

[Comrade Zeke]

To BornOfZapatasGuns:
The secrateires would have to have P.H.Ds it prooves they are quaillified for they job. They would have to know everything about how to run there certain secter....Do you want some idiot who doesn't know how to run his certain command managment??? Because I still beilive that leaders inspire cause in one's country they will be there just as a show figure hower....he will only appoint a Prime Minister......The Prime Minister is there for nothing really. The People will elect the Secrateries you are right about that Zapatas...The People must...elect the secertaries, but they must be quallified however.
To the three branches of governemnet they must be there to keep the others in cheack the only governements in the world that have never gone dictatorship are the U.S, Irish and Icelandic govenments. All consituions are based off the American governments. Do you truly think three branches are un democratic??? Have you ever read the workings of John Locke...Three branches help keep the government in cheack. Ok people would work from 9:00 am till 5:00 pm...they would get twenty dollars evey hour. The Tax rate I guess just to be fair would have to be 35% or 36% just so you could keep up all the utilities.
Weekends and holidays would be free off and you can go where ever you want. So in other words people would work each day and have holidays. No one could ever be fired unlesss they were really bad at there job. This is like a Titoist theory for there must be some sort of forgin buinessness in the coutry with out the country will collapse.

To Redstar:I know what Socailism is, this is not really that big of Socalism more like Sweeden or Norway. Titoist style not so harsh however. I know you would like to see soceity burn up and all culture and religion destoryed but it anit going to happen..Keep thinking happy thoughts though <_<
By the way get rid of your Advatar it looks like your constipated. No offense.
Sorry about spelling
Zeke

[ComradeRed]

Comrade zeke, how should I put this...
<_<
You seem to postulate wrong ideas about socialism; check out comrade redstar2000&#39;s site for an explanation of socialism in "an attempt" for a definition. Or you could check out My Website (http://www.angelfire.com/co4/comradered) under literature; comrade redstar2000&#39;s works "What is socialism: an attempt for a definition"
Socialism (http://www.anarchist-action.org/marxists/redstar2000/monthlytheoryarchives.php?subaction=showfull&id=1055982770&archive=1057041165&cnshow=archive&start_from=&ucat=&)

[Comrade Zeke]

ok its not really Socalism.....but it benifits all the people not just the rich bastards. I want to help everybody....I know what the Deffinition of Socalism is I can give it to you right now:
An ideology or a group of ideologies.
An economic system.
A state that exists or has existed.
In Marxist theory, the society that would succeed capitalism, and would be a precursor to Communism
SEE THAT BIGS WORDS STATE. LOL WHAT IF WE NEED WENT TO COMMUNISM AND KEPT SOCALISM WITH OUT ALL THE DICTATORS AND SUCH, MAKE MORE LIKE THE AMERICAN CONSITUION every one would benifit....there would be no poor people, every one would have the same goods, the same services, and extra ones if they wish, every one would be happy and humble. It would allow religion and several diffrent brances of governemnt in its system...That is what my theory is about. I know what Socailism is&#33; So stop saying I don&#39;t&#33;

[ComradeRed]

zeke, check out the soviet constitution in my sig, I beleive that it pleases what you believe in, making you a leninist.

[Comrade Zeke]

Yes preety much the world I envisoned.......To bad the Soveit Union never became that....I do not think I am a Lennist. It is truly a great consituion....but the Soveit Consitution sadly was based of the American Consituion. And even though America is the most evil corrupt, Imprelist coutry on Earth we have more freedom then anyone else.
But yes the Soveit Constituion is what I envisoned except with more religion and and forgien buinessness.
Zeke :)

[toastedmonkey]

Originally posted by Comrade [email protected] 30 2004, 06:42 AM
even though America is the most evil corrupt, Imprelist coutry on Earth we have more freedom then anyone else
:lol: :lol: :lol: , man thats some funny shit&#33;
it was a joke right?

yeah, your free if you "choose" that you dont want any freedoms
Like how it was illegal to be a communist

Your free, i mean you must be look at all those newspapers in your country&#33; 98% of the media is owned by 7 companies or summat
the man with the most money gets to be the president "the most powerful man in the world", of course not by any democratic or free means.
Over 30% of the population live under the poverty line... IN AMERICA&#33; but of course that 3rd of the population are free to live there, they&#39;re happy.
Speak out against the government, and ooopps your dead, or in prison or labeled insane so no one takes you seriously, hell now you could even find yourself in Guantanamo. Free of Charge (i mean that in all senses of the word).

Before you tell people that communism is crap, wont work or whatever, and fix where it all went wrong, perhaps you should pinch yourself, wake up in the real world and realise this life you live and world you live in is shite.
And its only gonna change if you got off your yankee arse, put the "little details" behind you till afterwards, and refuse to tolerate the shite that you "freely choose to accept"

[BOZG]

The secrateires would have to have P.H.Ds it prooves they are quaillified for they job. They would have to know everything about how to run there certain secter....Do you want some idiot who doesn&#39;t know how to run his certain command managment???

As I said before why does someone need a piece of paper to tell them what they are capable of. There are many people in the world that are incredibly intelligent and could easily be able to "run" something, even though they don&#39;t have a PhD. Regardless, no single person should be left in charge of anything.



To the three branches of governemnet they must be there to keep the others in cheack the only governements in the world that have never gone dictatorship are the U.S, Irish and Icelandic govenments. All consituions are based off the American governments. Do you truly think three branches are un democratic???

Well ultimately yes. I believe in a system of democracy based on workers&#39; and community councils, not on a centralised parliament. There would be cases where a parliament style event might be necessary, but anyone delegated to these conferences would have no individual powers other than to relay the will of the people they represent.



The Tax rate I guess just to be fair would have to be 35% or 36% just so you could keep up all the utilities.

But why pay such taxes? The ability to fund health services and other utilities already exists, without a hike in tax rates. A socialist society would more than likely have the ability to reduce taxes.

[Comrade Zeke]

I think high taxes are great to keep a high standar of living for all the free stuff you get. In America people are homless because the little amout of taxes we do pay the governement goes to the FUCKING ARMY&#33;
Sorry about the laugue but if America put less into its army then us poor people would be richer. Thats why in my soceity I would think the army should be no more then 20,000 and every provnecie could call up a Militia to defend the home land

[Wenty]

You have more freedom than anyone else? - I think you could object to that statment purely on the basis that the average persons knowledge of everyone else&#39;s degree of freedom is somewhat limited at best.

Apart from that I like, and agree, with what toastedmonkey said. I think to a certain extent Capitalism creates an illusion of freedom. I&#39;m sure right wingers love championing the democracy in their own country but it seems the democratic choice is limited; between two representatives of private power.

[ComradeRed]

We are all free, it is just we are robbed of it at birth. I can see zeke&#39;s reasoning, but zeke DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY POLITICAL PRISONERS ARE BEING HELD IN THE CONCENTRATION CAMP, GUATANAMO BAY?

[elijahcraig]

A Socialist leader is elected in any country here is how in my opinion on how the system should be run…..he or she fires all members of the current government which would probably be conservatives, or something that is pro-right. He would then appoint a cabinet of 15 members and appoint a Prime Minister. His cabinet wouldn’t help him in as a regular cabinet would.

As Blum said: if you did this, you’d get assassinated the next day. Power doesn’t drop for one man or a movement in this way. It has to be manhandled.

[Comrade Zeke]

Not to be a Pro-America or anything those prisoners are Al-Quadia bastards who killed 3,000 inocnet people for no reason&#33; They deserve to be locked up into that hell hole forever. All though I still think that the Cubans have more righst to Gantoamono bay then we do it is in Cuba after all. I must also remind you that Gantoamno bay is illegally stolen by the Americans. But those "Politcal prisoners" are Al-quaida here is what they did I hope that we havn&#39;t started going Muslim fundmentralists. Because that is just as bad as the evils of Capitalism. Just to remind you....cause we have seen it over and over again and again...I am not an anti-Arab just an anti Al-Quaida....terriorist organization such as Al-Quaida are cowardly and deserve to be in that bay "Concentraction camp"

[Louis Pio]

Not to be a Pro-America or anything those prisoners are Al-Quadia bastards who killed 3,000 inocnet people for no reason&#33; They deserve to be locked up into that hell hole forever.

The problem is that noone knows whether they are guilty or not since they haven&#39;t had a trial. Also I think we should use the word Al-Quada with a bit of caution. To me it seems like several small groups rather than a big centralised one

[Wenty]

I concur - the row over G.bay is the fact that we just don&#39;t know if they are guilty or not. They have been held for over 2 years without access to any lawyers or anything. Just another injustice dealt out by another American administration, add it to the list.

[God of Imperia]

They think they can do what they want, who says those people are guilty?

[toastedmonkey]

Zeke: i just love the way you use that Bush tatic&#33;

Show them all a picture of 9/11, and they&#39;ll either forget thier belifs or back down, "We&#39;re anti-9/11 and if your not with us then you must be a terrorist"

um... sure

No one "deserves" to be held in those conditions in guantanamo, nor did the 3000 people in 9/11 "deserve" to die.
But incase you forgot the thousands of people who died in iraq last year didnt deserve to die either, nor the thousands in afghanistan, kosovo, vietnam, bosnia, serbia et cetra

http://www.defenestrator.org/antiwar/1_145668_1_6%5B1%5D.jpg
http://www.arabcomint.com/dead%20iraqis.jpg
Anyone can play the image game
The fact is America has caused millions of deaths, and what price has it payed, nothing.
The costs are the lives of the people the U&#036; government sent to their death, and the affect on thier famlies and friends.

Mainland America has had not a single bomb dropped on it, not once, but how many bombs has it dropped on other countries? countless
I dont condone the events of 9/11 and Im sure you were angered and upset by the pictures of 9/11, that was 3 thousand people you probbaly didnt know.
Think of how many people would be affected by your death, all your family, all your friends, neighbours, people who had spoke to you once or twice. Its a lot of people.
Now think of the millions of people killed by the yankees, and then all the people that affects. Cant comprehend it? no? neither can i. Its impossible.
Yet america expects no retaliation whatsoever from the millions affected directly by thier actions?
There probbaly are guilty people in Guantanamo bay, but after 2 years its still not been proved.
And whats for certain there are innocent people in there Like the 4 Britons that have now been freed (http://straitstimes.asia1.com.sg/world/story/0,4386,240297,00.html). Their case was evidence-free, charge-free and humanitarian-free.
The certaintly didnt "deserve" the treatment they got
Do they still "deserved to be locked up in that hellhole forever"?

[Osman Ghazi]

Zeke, the fact is that you personally and the world generally don&#39;t have any idea who is in G-bay.
Bush says that they are al-qaeda but he also said that saddam had WMD&#39;s. Considering that reporters aren&#39;t allowed in G-bay, there is no way to verify id they really are. I must stress to you the essential folly of believing what the government says with absolutely no proof besides that given to you by the gov.

[Essential Insignificance]

A fanatical endeavour indeed…it seems that authoritarian tendencies are well embodied in your post-revolutionary outlook of socialism.

A real "Dictatorship of the Proletarian"…sure to end in catastrophe and devastation.

[Comrade Zeke]

Where you live toastedmonkey??? Just wondering. In fact I hate Bush and the he shows Septhember 11th over and over. Most are Al-Quaida. I my self have really diffrent opionions about the middle east.....I want the Arabs to have their homeland back.....Palastine which is ritvaly theirs to go back into there hands. I don&#39;t like all thes religious government but I feel sorry for all these Arabs in Iraq that have to deal with the American slavery though. So yeah i am split....anyway I beilive we got off the subject of my theory lol

[Wenty]

Back to the &#39;theory&#39; - why on earth do you need a secretary for roads&#33; as well as for arts, entertainment etc. Surely some of these jobs aren&#39;t for ministerial level&#33;

Moreover, don&#39;t you think the economy is going to be somewhat stagnant with just one or two stores&#33; They&#39;ll be no competition - the store could charge what they want for anything. I&#39;m sure here you&#39;d have to rely on the good faith of the owner(s) who would no doubt be well schooled in the ethics of socialism, or not perhaps.

[toastedmonkey]

Im in the UK, but i have an open mind and like to read and learn things before opening my mouth and commenting or correcting things i clearly dont have a full grip off.

"Most are Al-Qaeda" really? funny, how did you find that out? read in the paper? did your wonderful government tell you about it? your presenting an opinion as a fact, simply thing is no-one knows if any in there have anyting to do with terrorism, unfortunatly the likelyhood is, is that neither do their holders.

We havent got off topic at all. If your gonna rewrite stuff or make your own interpritations then you have to have a fully informed view of the subject.
Your original post and others including "Americans are the freest people" show that you certaintly dont have a broad enough perspective for trying to rewrite socialism.
My poss and others have gone to rubbish your case.

[ComradeRed]

I think the minister of roads should be the minister of public projects (roads, irragations, dams, etc.)

[Comrade Zeke]

Totoastedmonkey: "My poss and others have gone to rubbish your case." <_< What is that supposed to mean???
Next off a beilive we kicked the English ass a while ago, try 100 years and gained our freedom from the your King...(This sounds really American, I know)....I supposed you think England is free???? Freerer then American??? You can&#39;t take back the fact that America wrote the first consitution, had the first "People&#39;s vote governemnet" not faulty. Unless you count Goerge W.Bush, and all the guys intill Andrew Jackson. Also America after, Ireland and Iceland are the only known Deomcracies that have accully exsited without a King,or a dictator. I do remember England had a dictator, Oliver Cromwell the most greedy Capitalist bastard I ever read about. And don&#39;t get me started about all the Kings of England. Wales "The Black Prince" and several other Celtic Welsh Kings. Scottland kings for a long time and Northern Ireland is a puppet to the British. Did you also know that my coutry although run by many Capitalists, we don&#39;t have Duke owning half are capital. The Duke of Winnty or something owns have of Londan, thats sad :lol: Ireland also gained its independece from the British, And I don&#39;t care what you say about America, just don&#39;t insult the people of Ireland they were a people who deserved their freedom from the British. Not to mention the British still have colonies and commwealth nations allied with them. I am sorry to say but the U.K is backward and is very imperlistic. Your not as free as the Amercians either. The only good thing I see about the U.K is that Tony Blair is a good leader who is part of the Labour party...pro left I beilive.

Ill Gantomano bay has probally alot of political prisoners. So you were right toastedmonkey.
Anyway to get back on the subject............

To Wenty, you need a secratary of roads to quannordinate the road building with the mayors of the 20 provinces,arts because you need somone to look after the Arts and culture and history of the nation. Etertainment because we want to make sure that the people are happy, very happy with lots of Entertaiment in their towns. EVERYONE MUST HAVE ACCESS TO A PARK A MOVIE THEARTERS AND OTher entertaiment, so it will be fair and no one will be higher above anyone else......for everyone will have the same thing&#33; Nothing to be jelous over the can all go to the movies, because it will be cheep.
Wenty not two or three stores in the country, I am saying that a town has two diffrent kinds of Stores.EVERY TOWN must have two stores. One is just stuff made in the country which is always on the same price...and the other which is forgien goods which the government keeps highly regullated but pays the forgien stores to stay in the country so the people can have luxary goods, Caviar, Fresh Salman, Es Cargo, All diffrent kinds of wines and beers as well as diffrent kinds of breads. But the poor people can buy the forginen goods cause it will be cheep. THe government would keep all the store prices cheep. the people who worker in the stores won&#39;t own them, they will just work there.
And yes the everyone will be highly educated in Socalism, and Marxist theory. But unlike China, and other "Supposed Communist coutries" the theory won&#39;t be brainwashed into your head to be the best system....college students will have a wide range of study in the schools and they can all study any theory they wish. The colleges will show them the wrongs of Capitalism and why there country is so succesful when Capitalists ones arn&#39;t. Yes Comrade Red good idea. The Road secartary will be in charge of Dams, contruction and what not incullding the buildings of Apartments and homes.

(Sorry about Spelling,Grammer any of the sort)
Zeke
p.s found a real cool flag.......Anyone who is intrested in Medical Marjuana in Canada.

[Wenty]

sec. of roads or ent. aren&#39;t needed&#33; Just get someone else to do it- that persons whole job is about making sure roads are made&#33;

Equal subjects to be taught at schools - teaching the evils of capitalism is just brainwashing in a different form. No preference whatsoever should be given to any of the schools of thought. People should be left to decide for themselves.

[toastedmonkey]

Originally posted by Comrade [email protected] 2 2004, 02:30 AM
Totoastedmonkey: "My poss and others have gone to rubbish your case." <_< What is that supposed to mean???
Next off a beilive we kicked the English ass a while ago, try 100 years and gained our freedom from the your King...(This sounds really American, I know)....I supposed you think England is free???? Freerer then American??? You can&#39;t take back the fact that America wrote the first consitution, had the first "People&#39;s vote governemnet" not faulty. Unless you count Goerge W.Bush, and all the guys intill Andrew Jackson. Also America after, Ireland and Iceland are the only known Deomcracies that have accully exsited without a King,or a dictator. I do remember England had a dictator, Oliver Cromwell the most greedy Capitalist bastard I ever read about. And don&#39;t get me started about all the Kings of England. Wales "The Black Prince" and several other Celtic Welsh Kings. Scottland kings for a long time and Northern Ireland is a puppet to the British. Did you also know that my coutry although run by many Capitalists, we don&#39;t have Duke owning half are capital. The Duke of Winnty or something owns have of Londan, thats sad :lol: Ireland also gained its independece from the British, And I don&#39;t care what you say about America, just don&#39;t insult the people of Ireland they were a people who deserved their freedom from the British. Not to mention the British still have colonies and commwealth nations allied with them. I am sorry to say but the U.K is backward and is very imperlistic. Your not as free as the Amercians either. The only good thing I see about the U.K is that Tony Blair is a good leader who is part of the Labour party...pro left I beilive.
That was a typing error, it was meant to say posT.

The rest of your post goes to show exactly what i said, you are clueless.

Im not proud to be British, unfortuantly i was born here, i cant choose my nationality.
There isnt a king, and the queen aint "my queen" i have never swore an alligence to her. Im a republican (and just so you know, thats the actually meaning of the word, as in a monarchy free government, not the meaningless names the parties in america use. i was republican long before i knew of the left)
Your right i cant take that fact back, and i dont particualrly want to, but in a similar fashion "you cant take the fact back that" it stands for absolutely fuck all in todays America.
I dont think im "free" in Britain, im neither worse nor better off than the yanks, im in a capitalist society, im leftwing... i aint free. However im not so dissillusioned that i dont realise that fact.

I hate Britain, and its far outdated monarchist bourgeiose system, its foolish for you to presume that i am, again if you knew what left wing was you would know that i couldnt be both left and pro-Monarchy.

Once again your wrong, Britain doesnt have colonies, it used to now it owns no countries, the commonwealth "replaced" that.
I cant say out about the irish??? ive never mentioned the fucking irish&#33;&#33;

You show your ignorance one last time in your reply to me, its not "a good thing" that Blair is the leader of the UK, its bad, hes a Conservative, which is pro-fuedal system (i cant be arsed explaining that to you, go read a book)
Again Labour isnt "pro-left" if you took the slightest interest in the rest of the world you&#39;d know that labour is no longer a left wing party, its almost identical to the conservatives, they used the name of labour with torie policies to get in power.

You tried to personally attack me, but failed, im well aware of all those kings and queens, but that has nothing to do with me, i dont view them as my history, they have fuck all to do with me, im not in the slightest bit offended with your attack on Britain, its a shite place, i place which i have nor want any pride in. Im happy for you to attack Britain, it has no value to me, i cant stress that enough, all i can say is, again, make sure your right when doing it.

Shit&#33; you cant even speel londOn right&#33;&#33;&#33;
If im allowed to "say whatever" i want about the american people then ill say this... Your enforcing the popular view that the Yankee public are generally ignorant&#33;

If you would like a simplified version of this post, with smaller words, and words bigger than 4 letters explained to you, let me know, ill see what i can do. Also i&#39;ll be happy to help you to learn how to spell and use grammer, ive READ about how awful the education system can be in America.

[Wenty]

This is off topic and perhaps i should have Pmed u about this but are you really 11 TM?

[toastedmonkey]

No, im not, it was an april fools, except i forgot to tell people it was :P

[Wenty]

how old then? I was gonna say if you were that was pretty good going&#33;

[toastedmonkey]

lol
im 17

[Saint-Just]

why on earth do you need a secretary for roads&#33; as well as for arts, entertainment etc. Surely some of these jobs aren&#39;t for ministerial level&#33;

Governments around the world have ministers for these things. Ministers for roads, culture etc. About 30-40 Ministers is realistic in a capitalist state. In a socialist state there could well be more.


Moreover, don&#39;t you think the economy is going to be somewhat stagnant with just one or two stores&#33; They&#39;ll be no competition

Capitalist&#33;


Next off a beilive we kicked the English ass a while ago, try 100 years and gained our freedom from the your King...(This sounds really American, I know)....I supposed you think England is free???? Freerer then American??? You can&#39;t take back the fact that America wrote the first consitution, had the first "People&#39;s vote governemnet" not faulty. Unless you count Goerge W.Bush, and all the guys intill Andrew Jackson. Also America after, Ireland and Iceland are the only known Deomcracies that have accully exsited without a King,or a dictator. I do remember England had a dictator, Oliver Cromwell the most greedy Capitalist bastard I ever read about. And don&#39;t get me started about all the Kings of England. Wales "The Black Prince" and several other Celtic Welsh Kings. Scottland kings for a long time and Northern Ireland is a puppet to the British. Did you also know that my coutry although run by many Capitalists, we don&#39;t have Duke owning half are capital. The Duke of Winnty or something owns have of Londan, thats sad Ireland also gained its independece from the British, And I don&#39;t care what you say about America, just don&#39;t insult the people of Ireland they were a people who deserved their freedom from the British. Not to mention the British still have colonies and commwealth nations allied with them. I am sorry to say but the U.K is backward and is very imperlistic. Your not as free as the Amercians either. The only good thing I see about the U.K is that Tony Blair is a good leader who is part of the Labour party...pro left I beilive.

What has the British rule of America, in the past, got to do with this?

From a bourgoeis perspective, America does have a marginally more democratic constitution.... from a bourgeois perspective. From a socialist perspective both states are bourgeois dictatorships and neither are democratic.

The UK is backward and imperialistic? Our society, and Europe are as a whole are more liberal than the national socialist states of America. From a bourgeois perspective, liberal does not = backwards. Neither is Britain quite as imperialist as the biggest imperialist power in the world that has tentacles stretching into every nation in massaging all political and business centres across the entire globe.

The Labour party is not pro-left, and Tony Blair is as much a &#39;good leader&#39; as Bush. If you support Blair and you support Bush.

[Wenty]

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Moreover, don&#39;t you think the economy is going to be somewhat stagnant with just one or two stores&#33; They&#39;ll be no competition



Capitalist&#33;

So you suggest a complete state run economy?

[Saint-Just]

Originally posted by [email protected] 4 2004, 06:48 PM

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Moreover, don&#39;t you think the economy is going to be somewhat stagnant with just one or two stores&#33; They&#39;ll be no competition



Capitalist&#33;

So you suggest a complete state run economy?
Yes, socialism is an alternative economic system. Socialism means taking the means of production out of private hands and putting them into public ownership. This means fundamentally changing the economic base.

[Wenty]

This doesn&#39;t necessarily mean state run.

[Comrade Zeke]

Ok sorry Toasted Money.....I didn&#39;t mean lashing out at your or anything. I don&#39;t post much on these boards anymore but when I do I try to make them as much my personal view see them
Zeke

[ComradeRed]

zeke, u r back?&#33;? here&#39;s a link u might like Marxism without the crap (http://redstar2000papers.fightcapitalism.net/theory.php?subaction=showfull&id=1082912812&archive=&cnshow=headlines&start_from=&ucat=&) What I think you&#39;re trying to suggest is a modernized savagery system (a.k.a. primitive communism)