Comrade Zeke
26th March 2004, 21:04
Hello fellow Comrades I regret to say I am leaving Che-Lives. Before I go I will make my last final statement and my last argument. This is not supposed to be Anti-Communistic or anything….but I must make a point. Being on the Left side of politics is great! Democrats, social Democrats, greens, Socialists, Marxists, Anarchists, Syndicalists and all the hero worshipers I hear about….Stalinists, Trotskyites, Titoists, Maoists, Castroists, Guevarisits, as well as the ever so popular Cheauscusists ( lol haven’t seen many of those). I am still PRO LEFT I WANT THE DEMOCRATS OR THE LABOUR PARTY, OR THE DEMOCRATIC SOCALISTS to win the elections in several countries.
But I have to say after reading so much books and getting so much accounts from people about Communism. Communism will not work. The “Cappies” as you call them won the Cold War. Ok get over it the idea of Communism will not work. Its been tried and here is what happened: The Soviet Union tried to take over the world and make every body a Communist! Instead of the so called Democratic Regimes that were supposed to come to power all you got was a dictatorship. Marx envisioned a society where everyone would work together, no classes, barter your goods, have free everything and get what you worked for, No imperialism, no religion so everyone could be equal, the Communist party would rule all in till finally in the end there would be no government! Here are your flaws Marx:
1.People are greedy and envious, and always want to be on top, you’re not going to get your great society that way. 2. You can’t force people to be happy and pretend to like the government, and if you don’t like the government the “secret police” will take you away in the middle of the night. 3 So called “Communist governments” are to flimsy and how is the Communist party supposed to stop a main chairman from coming on top and becoming a dictator. 4. People need RELGION, to have something to pray to and know where there going to when they die, personally I like waking up early in the morning and watching the sun rise while praying to my gods. You aren’t going to stop me practicing my religion…oh wait if I didn’t live in the United States and lived in one of the “Communist country” such as North Korea, old Albania or the ex-Soviet Union I wouldn’t really be able to practice my religion, only in secret. 5. People in “Communist countries” are so afraid of their government that they report their neighbors, if they do anything wrong like even light up some marijuana 6. I see nothing wrong with Capitalists, me and my mother I practically starving in our home, but the Communist party isn’t going to save us we have to help our selves. Rich people are forever part of ours lives there has always been rich people, you can’t get rid of them and I really don’t want to go back to living like cave men or trying out the Communist system just to get rid of the “Yuppies” as me and my mom called them. That is the great thing about many Democracies out there, anyone can become rich. I fallow Che on this quote “Let’s be realistic and try the impossible!’ I am going to be realistic and try the impossible some day I will be rich and when I get rich I am going to donate a lot of my money to the homeless shelter. 7. Marx’s idea of a classless society was flawed, sure in the Soviet Union everyone was equal, wait!! wait!! there were too classes. Everybody who was poor and had a home but had to work everyday and be slaves to the government AND the god-like Communist party! The things that these supposed “Communist counties” lack is the fact that the PEOPLE never elect anybody the party does it for them. The party thinks for them, the party does everything for them; the people are like cattle if they don’t listen to the government well they disappear and get slaughtered like cattle! These Communist counties that weren’t actually true Communist I am talking about all the former ones. The people who love Communism on these forums have probably never seen Eastern Europe, I have talked to so many people from the ex-Communist governments and they say it was awful to live there: No good food, crappie housing, crappie goods, the party rules everything and you a slave to the government. That sounds great! ;) ;) ;) I usta be a pro-commie everything! Well I am not anymore. I believe that the poor people should be helped, so I am voting for the Democratic Socialist party or the Labor party. Not the Socialist party (Communist party) And I kinda like admiring such leaders as Caesar, Napoleon, Alexander the great, Che Guevara, Fidel Castro and such they were great leaders and inspired lots of people to join their cause! I love history, but here is what Communism is right now: History. The Communist area is really over most of the Communist leaders are dead accept Fidel Castro and how long can he rule? All these hard-line authorial government such as North Korea and Cuba are fading they are living an old tradition only kept together by a dictator! So I say to all these people on Che-Lives don’t give up the Communist cause…. but it’s a dead one. The Cappies won the Cold War and I don’t seen many supposed Communist governments coming to power…..most European countries are pro-Socialist and that is what I want to have high taxes but have free health care, housing, and many other stuff that is what where I want to live in a European country that is evolved so they help their people. I want to have private businesses! We will never have real Communism on this planet, it is an idea that never worked and will never take form ever again. I salute the Socialist party of Spain for winning the elections but their not Communist they allow private businesses and let the people vote! That is the whole point of a Democracy (Rule by the people in Latin) I know I am going to get a lot of angry crap about how the Capitalists rule the economy in my country… but there will always be classes can’t do anything about it. The only Communist system I have ever seen work is Tito’s mixed economy Socialism…everyone seems to hate Tito and his system on this board but your just jealous that he was right and his system worked…in till he died. But just like any other Communist government Yugoslavia was oppressed. So it still didn’t work out but Yugoslavia after the Soviet Union was the richest ex-Commie nation.
So goodbye to all of you at Che lives… I am leaving now I had fun debating with all of you about Communism and its different ideals. I am saying goodbye to all of you accept Red Star who is a complete moron and an impudent and rude poster. Red Star is the worst person on this board and I hope someday he does something stupid or is so mean to a newbie on these boards that he get restricted! So goodbye, Sincerely, The Democratic Socialist, Pro Pagan, Pro Freedom and liberation, pro great leaders and help the poor and starving people of Africa, COMRADE ZEKE, Also Anarchism wont work! Bye. :D
If any one is intrested to keep debating with or is tired with this place come to:
http://www.simaqianstudio.com/
But I have to say after reading so much books and getting so much accounts from people about Communism. Communism will not work. The “Cappies” as you call them won the Cold War. Ok get over it the idea of Communism will not work. Its been tried and here is what happened: The Soviet Union tried to take over the world and make every body a Communist! Instead of the so called Democratic Regimes that were supposed to come to power all you got was a dictatorship. Marx envisioned a society where everyone would work together, no classes, barter your goods, have free everything and get what you worked for, No imperialism, no religion so everyone could be equal, the Communist party would rule all in till finally in the end there would be no government! Here are your flaws Marx:
1.People are greedy and envious, and always want to be on top, you’re not going to get your great society that way. 2. You can’t force people to be happy and pretend to like the government, and if you don’t like the government the “secret police” will take you away in the middle of the night. 3 So called “Communist governments” are to flimsy and how is the Communist party supposed to stop a main chairman from coming on top and becoming a dictator. 4. People need RELGION, to have something to pray to and know where there going to when they die, personally I like waking up early in the morning and watching the sun rise while praying to my gods. You aren’t going to stop me practicing my religion…oh wait if I didn’t live in the United States and lived in one of the “Communist country” such as North Korea, old Albania or the ex-Soviet Union I wouldn’t really be able to practice my religion, only in secret. 5. People in “Communist countries” are so afraid of their government that they report their neighbors, if they do anything wrong like even light up some marijuana 6. I see nothing wrong with Capitalists, me and my mother I practically starving in our home, but the Communist party isn’t going to save us we have to help our selves. Rich people are forever part of ours lives there has always been rich people, you can’t get rid of them and I really don’t want to go back to living like cave men or trying out the Communist system just to get rid of the “Yuppies” as me and my mom called them. That is the great thing about many Democracies out there, anyone can become rich. I fallow Che on this quote “Let’s be realistic and try the impossible!’ I am going to be realistic and try the impossible some day I will be rich and when I get rich I am going to donate a lot of my money to the homeless shelter. 7. Marx’s idea of a classless society was flawed, sure in the Soviet Union everyone was equal, wait!! wait!! there were too classes. Everybody who was poor and had a home but had to work everyday and be slaves to the government AND the god-like Communist party! The things that these supposed “Communist counties” lack is the fact that the PEOPLE never elect anybody the party does it for them. The party thinks for them, the party does everything for them; the people are like cattle if they don’t listen to the government well they disappear and get slaughtered like cattle! These Communist counties that weren’t actually true Communist I am talking about all the former ones. The people who love Communism on these forums have probably never seen Eastern Europe, I have talked to so many people from the ex-Communist governments and they say it was awful to live there: No good food, crappie housing, crappie goods, the party rules everything and you a slave to the government. That sounds great! ;) ;) ;) I usta be a pro-commie everything! Well I am not anymore. I believe that the poor people should be helped, so I am voting for the Democratic Socialist party or the Labor party. Not the Socialist party (Communist party) And I kinda like admiring such leaders as Caesar, Napoleon, Alexander the great, Che Guevara, Fidel Castro and such they were great leaders and inspired lots of people to join their cause! I love history, but here is what Communism is right now: History. The Communist area is really over most of the Communist leaders are dead accept Fidel Castro and how long can he rule? All these hard-line authorial government such as North Korea and Cuba are fading they are living an old tradition only kept together by a dictator! So I say to all these people on Che-Lives don’t give up the Communist cause…. but it’s a dead one. The Cappies won the Cold War and I don’t seen many supposed Communist governments coming to power…..most European countries are pro-Socialist and that is what I want to have high taxes but have free health care, housing, and many other stuff that is what where I want to live in a European country that is evolved so they help their people. I want to have private businesses! We will never have real Communism on this planet, it is an idea that never worked and will never take form ever again. I salute the Socialist party of Spain for winning the elections but their not Communist they allow private businesses and let the people vote! That is the whole point of a Democracy (Rule by the people in Latin) I know I am going to get a lot of angry crap about how the Capitalists rule the economy in my country… but there will always be classes can’t do anything about it. The only Communist system I have ever seen work is Tito’s mixed economy Socialism…everyone seems to hate Tito and his system on this board but your just jealous that he was right and his system worked…in till he died. But just like any other Communist government Yugoslavia was oppressed. So it still didn’t work out but Yugoslavia after the Soviet Union was the richest ex-Commie nation.
So goodbye to all of you at Che lives… I am leaving now I had fun debating with all of you about Communism and its different ideals. I am saying goodbye to all of you accept Red Star who is a complete moron and an impudent and rude poster. Red Star is the worst person on this board and I hope someday he does something stupid or is so mean to a newbie on these boards that he get restricted! So goodbye, Sincerely, The Democratic Socialist, Pro Pagan, Pro Freedom and liberation, pro great leaders and help the poor and starving people of Africa, COMRADE ZEKE, Also Anarchism wont work! Bye. :D
If any one is intrested to keep debating with or is tired with this place come to:
http://www.simaqianstudio.com/