Y2A is an anti semitic piece of *!@#$%*

[nobody_cares]

I can understand why u have a problem with Americans, but too say this: "the israeli people should die" is blatantly anti semitic.

Communism is based on equality and too attack a race or religion like that is unaccetable. THe website says' "anti semitic messages will not be tolerated" in the terms of agreement.

To summarise u are an asshole!

[Vinny Rafarino]

Not to burst your bubble here, but Israelis are a mixture of many cultures and religions.



To really be considered anti-semetic, the kid would have to say something like, "all Jews should die".

[commie kg]

Y2A is gone, and he wasn't a communist. He was a capitalist of the Democratic Party variety.

[iloveatomickitten]

I can understand why u have a problem with Americans ....... too attack a race or religion like that is unaccetable

To attack Americans is (although not racist) no different to attacking Israelis to attack America and Israel on account of their politics is totally different, and I would hope that people on the forum would attack America no Americans.

[nobody_cares]

<_< i was not saying i support attacks on America in fact im pro American but i can understand why some socialists have a problem with their ideals.

Attacking Israel which is almost entirely based on Jews and the birthplace of the Jewish race is encouraging anti semitic feelings.

[Vinny Rafarino]

There is no such thing as a "Jewish race". This myth was created by the National Socialist party as an excuse to exterminite Jews.


Attacking Israeli policy is an attack on Zionist intentions in the Middle East and North Africa and has NOTHING to do with the Jewish religion.

[nobody_cares]

<_< whether you want to call it a race or not , I believe that such a scathing attack on the only Jewish state in the world (to my knowledge) is anti- semitic or at least encourages anti-semitic feelings. -_-

[Dune Dx]

:angry: OK this is the last time I going to say this the jews are a race and a religion you can be a Jew but not practice judaism. The jews as a race were not made up by the Nazis, they are actually a race the thing the Nazis made up was that the Jews were inferior to the rest of the world&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;

[Vinny Rafarino]

whether you want to call it a race or not , I believe that such a scathing attack on the only Jewish state in the world (to my knowledge) is anti- semitic or at least encourages anti-semitic feelings


It can indeed to those that are not familiar with the reality of the issue.



OK this is the last time I going to say this the jews are a race and a religion you can be a Jew but not practice judaism. The jews as a race were not made up by the Nazis, they are actually a race the thing the Nazis made up was that the Jews were inferior to the rest of the world&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;


You can say it one thousand times for all I care. You are wrong. You had an opportunity to view the facts as listed by Malte and I prior to this issue.

The fact you remain so vigilant in your fallicious belief that there is a "Jewish race" shows me that you either did not bother to read the posted material OR you read it and for some reason dismissed the facts as they did not "fall in line" with what you BELIEVE to be true.

Don&#39;t you think it is time for you to stop being blinded by your own pride and actually LEARN SOMETHING?

[redfront]

Originally posted by [email protected] 26 2004, 05:45 PM
I can understand why u have a problem with Americans, but too say this: "the israeli people should die" is blatantly anti semitic.

Communism is based on equality and too attack a race or religion like that is unaccetable. THe website says&#39; "anti semitic messages will not be tolerated" in the terms of agreement.

To summarise u are an asshole&#33;
He had that quoto from another member who said it (apparently Adamore), and he just thought it was so stupid so he putted it in his sig. i was there, when the comment was posted, and i remember Y2A dizzing him.

I&#39;m not the one to deffend a cappie (or Israel for that matter, but that&#39;s not because of religion), but i just don&#39;t like unjustyness(sp?).

[Individual]

For those of you in debate, ignore this post. I didn&#39;t figure this was worth a thread, and I figured Y2A would read it here.

Y2A.

I thought you left? I&#39;ve spotted you lurking around. Guess you couldn&#39;t stay away, huh?

Though I don&#39;t agree with your politics, why just roam around Che-Lives and not post? If you are here, you might as well post.

[Guest1]

Ok, while I fully oppose Israel, I have to say, that quote is racist. Though not in the strictest sense of the term, as Israeli is not a race. However, it still advocates genocide.

Anyways, Y2A was quoting someone, and he&#39;s a capitalist, and he&#39;s gone. So this entire thread is pointless.

[LuZhiming]

There is no such thing as a "Jewish race". This myth was created by the National Socialist party as an excuse to exterminite Jews.

Ever heard of Hebrews?

[Dune Dx]

Thank you LuZhiming

see to the guy that said the Jews are not a race&#33;

they are anf have been around for thousands of years&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;

[Don't Change Your Name]

Originally posted by [email protected] 26 2004, 07:22 PM
He had that quoto from another member who said it (apparently Adamore), and he just thought it was so stupid so he putted it in his sig. i was there, when the comment was posted, and i remember Y2A dizzing him.
Exactly.

It&#39;s not him who said that.

[John Galt]

Comrade RAF- There is indeed a jewish race. For example, The kohanim males (the preists) have a very specific copy of the Y-chromasome.

[John Galt]

And yes, I am a jew.

[Dune Dx]

the people that say there is a jewish race woop the buts of the people that say there isnt wooo yeah :D

[MiDnIgHtMaRaUdEr]

Originally posted by John [email protected] 28 2004, 11:58 AM
Comrade RAF- There is indeed a jewish race. For example, The kohanim males (the preists) have a very specific copy of the Y-chromasome.
You mean to tell me all Jewish priests are genetically different as a group then Jews who are not priests?

[RedCeltic]

Being "Jewish" isn&#39;t any more of a "Race" than being Irish, German, etc...

Someone who is "Jewish" is a person who has ancestry that was expelled from the Roman provance of Judea around 70 ad.

You can only really define a person a "Jewish" these days by cultural and religious ties. A person may define themselves as being a "non practicing Jew" to define the cultural traditions and ties they had as they were raised.

Yet, a person who has some ancestrial blood relation to people expelled from Judea can not in truth be defined as being Jewish. They Nazis tried to claim that "Jews" were a race and that anyone who had Jewish blood, even if they were being raised as a German Christian and had no actual ties to the Jewish Religion, culture, and society... as still being a Jew due to it being a "Race."

Most of them have been so ethically mixed by now that the only real difference between them and any other people is their culture which is tied to their religion.

[Guest1]

Exactly, like, the difference between Middle Eastern Jews and European Jews, there is nothing abotu it that says "race".

Besides, if we wanna be honest with ourselves, there&#39;s no such thing as race at all in the human species.

[John Galt]

Originally posted by Che y [email protected] 28 2004, 04:44 PM
Exactly, like, the difference between Middle Eastern Jews and European Jews, there is nothing abotu it that says "race".

Besides, if we wanna be honest with ourselves, there&#39;s no such thing as race at all in the human species.
Actually, human would be the species?

(Im not too good with biology. Homo=genus, sapiens=species?)

Jewish is more than just religion. There is also a culture involved.


15 entries found for race.
race1 ( P ) Pronunciation Key (rs)
n.

1. A local geographic or global human population distinguished as a more or less distinct group by genetically transmitted physical characteristics.
2. A group of people united or classified together on the basis of common history, nationality, or geographic distribution: the German race.
3. A genealogical line; a lineage.
4. Humans considered as a group.
5. Biology.
1. An interbreeding, usually geographically isolated population of organisms differing from other populations of the same species in the frequency of hereditary traits. A race that has been given formal taxonomic recognition is known as a subspecies.
2. A breed or strain, as of domestic animals.
6. A distinguishing or characteristic quality, such as the flavor of a wine.



I think definition 2 might apply

[MiDnIgHtMaRaUdEr]

Originally posted by John Galt+Mar 28 2004, 01:05 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (John Galt @ Mar 28 2004, 01:05 PM)
Che y [email protected] 28 2004, 04:44 PM
Exactly, like, the difference between Middle Eastern Jews and European Jews, there is nothing abotu it that says "race".

Besides, if we wanna be honest with ourselves, there&#39;s no such thing as race at all in the human species.
Actually, human would be the species?

(Im not too good with biology. Homo=genus, sapiens=species?)

Jewish is more than just religion. There is also a culture involved.


15 entries found for race.
race1 ( P ) Pronunciation Key (rs)
n.

1. A local geographic or global human population distinguished as a more or less distinct group by genetically transmitted physical characteristics.
2. A group of people united or classified together on the basis of common history, nationality, or geographic distribution: the German race.
3. A genealogical line; a lineage.
4. Humans considered as a group.
5. Biology.
1. An interbreeding, usually geographically isolated population of organisms differing from other populations of the same species in the frequency of hereditary traits. A race that has been given formal taxonomic recognition is known as a subspecies.
2. A breed or strain, as of domestic animals.
6. A distinguishing or characteristic quality, such as the flavor of a wine.



I think definition 2 might apply [/b]
Score on the who-gives-a-shit-o-meter - 0
It doesn&#39;t matter weather they are a race or not. We aren&#39;t racist, so who cares?

[John Galt]

Originally posted by [email protected] 28 2004, 05:10 PM
Score on the who-gives-a-shit-o-meter - 0
It doesn&#39;t matter weather they are a race or not. We aren&#39;t racist, so who cares?





This is a thread about racism?

[SittingBull47]

Originally posted by commie [email protected] 26 2004, 05:54 PM
Y2A is gone, and he wasn&#39;t a communist. He was a capitalist of the Democratic Party variety.
yea i didn&#39;t care much for Y2A. I had no idea he was gone though.

[Y2A]

Originally posted by [email protected] 26 2004, 05:45 PM
I can understand why u have a problem with Americans, but too say this: "the israeli people should die" is blatantly anti semitic.

Communism is based on equality and too attack a race or religion like that is unaccetable. THe website says&#39; "anti semitic messages will not be tolerated" in the terms of agreement.

To summarise u are an asshole&#33;
Congratulations&#33;&#33;&#33; You managed to make an ass of yourself in only your first 4 posts&#33;&#33;&#33;

[El Che]

Saying "all isrealies must die" might not be politically, or otherwise, correct but it is not anti-semitic; in that isrealies just happen to be semitic.

[Y2A]

I agree with you "El Che". It would only be "anti-semitic" if he would have said "all jews should die".

[El Che]

Originally posted by [email protected] 6 2004, 08:52 PM
I agree with you "El Che". It would only be "anti-semitic" if he would have said "all jews should die".
Isn&#39;t "he" you?

[elijahcraig]

:lol:

[Y2A]

"the israeli people should die"-Adamore

Not me ;)

[Dune Dx]

LOL wait till I tell nobody cares whats happened to his topic :D :lol: :D

[Robert Edward Lee]

I don&#39;t know history behind the postings on this forum, I don&#39;t know Y2A or Adamore, so I can only speak from a purely theoretical/hypothetical perspective.

Irrelevent of whether such a comment is &#39;racist&#39; in the strictist sense of the word, declaring that all the inhabitants of a particular country should die cannot be defended and so is effectively equal to racism.

One form of racism is that the people of a particular race should be killed, enslaved, punished etc... simplu by virtue of belonging to that particualr race. What is the difference in picking on a particular race and picking on a particular nationality? Either way, the attack is against who they are and not on what they believe in or have done

[Vinny Rafarino]

May as well since it has come back;



Ever heard of Hebrews?



Sure, it is what is called a language. It is currently the official language of the Terrorist State of Israel.



Comrade RAF- There is indeed a jewish race. For example, The kohanim males (the preists) have a very specific copy of the Y-chromasome.


Not exactly. What the "cohen gene" represents (it&#39;s not a "copy" of an entire chromosome) is that specific individuals can have their genetics traced back to certain ancestors. Much like I have certain genetic material that is shared with the Picts of northern Scotland. What this proves is that some people have ancestors that came specifically from one area of the world. (in this case the Middle East and North Africa)

It is also known that "priests" much like aristoctats bred very selectively.

Your statement is scientifically innaccurate. I will also include some information in regards to the "cohen" gene;

Michael F. Hammer, Karl L. Skorecki, Sara Selig, Shraga Blazer, Bruce Rappaport, Robert Bradman, Neil Bradman, P. J. Warburton, Monica Ismajlowicz. "Y Chromosomes of Jewish Priests." Nature 385(6611) (January 2, 1997): 32-33. Excerpts:

"Based on surveys of Jewish cemetery gravestones, priests represent approximately 5% of the estimated total male world Jewish population of roughly 7 million.... We identified six haplotypes, whose frequencies are shown in the table (YAP+ DYS19A-E and YAP+ DYS19, all alleles.) Applying the x2 test to the frequencies of the T-chromosome haplotypes distinguishes priests from the lay population. The most striking difference was in the frequency of YAP+ chromosomes among compares to lay Jews. Only 1.5% of Y-chromosomes among priests were YAP+, in comparison to a frequency of 18.4% in lay Jews. In contrast, we found no significant difference in the distribution of alleles for the non-Y-chromosomes locus polymorphism D1S191. (data not shown). These Y-chromosome haplotype differences confirm a distinct paternal genealogy for Jewish priests... This result is consistent with an origin for the Jewish priesthood antedating the division of world Jewry into Ashkenazi and Sephardic communities, and is of particular interest in view of the pronounced genetic diversity displayed between the two [Sephardic and Ashkenazic] communities."
Regarding the "Cohen gene": David Goldstein, an evolutionary geneticist at Oxford University, said: "It looks like this chromosomal type was a constituent of the ancestral Hebrew population. It was incredibly exciting to find something that could be tracing paternally-inherited traits over 40 to 50 generations, three or four thousand years of history."

Only about half, or less (40-45%), of Ashkenazi Jewish Cohens have the so-called "Kohen gene". A somewhat greater percentage of Sephardic Cohens have the gene. But it doesn&#39;t approach 100 percent. Tell that to the staff of Karl Skorecki&#39;s institution, Technion University, who claim here "Professor Karl Skorecki discovered genetic proof that all Jews belonging to the Cohen family are descendents of the biblical high priest Aaron Hacohen." If that&#39;s not misrepresentation I don&#39;t know what is. [Dr. Skorecki himself does not approve of the university&#39;s use of the word "all" and has asked them to fix their description of his research.]

Daniel Friedman observes: "Ashkenazi and Sephardic Cohanim (left two columns in the chart below) show significant differences in the occurrence frequencies of the haplotypes said to make up the &#39;Cohen gene&#39;. Israelite populations from both populations (right two columns) do not show the same differences. If the &#39;Cohen gene&#39; comes from a single Biblical ancestor, the Cohanim seem to have had different genetic histories since the split between Sepharad and Ashkenaz."


Please do your research first.


[/QUOTE]I think definition 2 might apply
[QUOTE]

Many things "apply" to a layman using the dictionary rather than actual genetic science.

No one is attempting "bring down" jews here mate. Al ot of people can be led to believe a lot of odd things if the circumstances are correct. Psychologically, I can understand why modern Jews continue to believe they are a specific race. It is very common to attempt to "create" your own "race" or mythology when confronted with massive oppression. Especially when the magnitude is as great as it has been just in the last century for Jews.

[John Galt]

Is this thread format really screwed up for anyone else?

[LuZhiming]

Originally posted by COMRADE [email protected] 7 2004, 12:25 AM
Sure, it is what is called a language. It is currently the official language of the Terrorist State of Israel.
:lol: And it was originally the language of the Hebrews, or the Israelites if you would care to put it that way. Hebrew/Jewish race = Descendants of the native people of what was the ancient kingdom of Israel.

[flayer2]

Wow thats extreme. This Y2A is a very emmotional dude, though he probably is antisemtic too. He coulda said all Israeli zionists should die or something... still pretty extreme.

[El Tipo]

All I know is that Jews killed my Idol.. <_< But it had to happen anyways, so I forgive. :rolleyes:

[Vinny Rafarino]

All of this information right at our fingertips yet paople still refuse to use it. I find it so incredibly strange.


I will try to make this really easy for everyone.

Hebrew is not a "people" it is a language.

The word "hebrew" comes from the Egyptian word "apiru" which means basically a class of society that "hires out" their services to others.

The Hebrew LANGUAGE is classified as a sub-group of the Simitic Canaanite Language.

Here is a brief history of the Hebrew language;

12th century BCE: Hebrew is developing into an independent language. It is believed that it could have been almost identical with Phoenician before this time. This becomes the language with which the Old Testament later is written.
3rd century BCE: Jews living in Palestine starts to speak more and more Aramaic. Jews outside Palestine spoke the languages of the communities in which they settled. In this period Aramaic strongly influences Hebrew with rules of syntax and with additions to the vocabulary.
Last century BCE: The alphabet of Hebrew, as we know it today, is believed to be developed.
200 CE: Development of what is now called Mishnahic Hebrew, or rabbinic Hebrew — the language used in the Mishnah. In the following years the guttural sounds of Hebrew are simplified, and there is a strong influx of words from Greek, Latin, and Persian.
9th century: The final decline for use of Hebrew starts, which finally resulted in it not being used anymore, except for religious writings.
1880: At the same time as Zionism rises, the modern Hebrew is starting to get formed.
1913: Hebrew becomes the language of instruction in Jewish schools in Palestine.
1948: With the establishment of the state of Israel, Hebrew becomes the official language.




Please comrades, check back into reality, there is no such thing as a Jewish "race".

[Y2A]

Originally posted by [email protected] 7 2004, 09:26 PM
Wow thats extreme. This Y2A is a very emmotional dude, though he probably is antisemtic too. He coulda said all Israeli zionists should die or something... still pretty extreme.
Don&#39;t you get it yet? Adamore, a self-proclaimed communist, said that not me.


Please comrades, check back into reality, there is no such thing as a Jewish "race".

Indeed.

[Guest1]

Point 1:

Even by the decidedly false and loose assumption that blood can determine a race, there is no Jewish race, just as there is no Christian or Muslim race.

Point 2:

There are no races period. The genetic differences between human beings are negligeable and those who convince themselves otherwise are delusional.

Point 3:

Y2A is not anti-semetic, as the quote was him quoting someone else, much like the topic poster did here.

Point 4:

The comments may not be anti-semetic per-se, but they are clearly racist. If you changed the wording to say "all the Arabs should die", or "Pakistanis", or any other nationality not so prominently related to state-sanctioned murder, the reaction would be very different.

Point 5:

The people of Israel should not be mistaken for the government of Israel. They are human beings like you and me, and are fighting against their government&#39;s greed and corruption much like we are against ours.

[Y2A]

Originally posted by Che y [email protected] 8 2004, 01:36 AM
There are no races period. The genetic differences between human beings are negligeable and those who convince themselves otherwise are delusional.
That is arguable and depends on how you define "race".

[John Galt]

Originally posted by Y2A+Apr 8 2004, 01:56 AM--> (Y2A @ Apr 8 2004, 01:56 AM)
Che y [email protected] 8 2004, 01:36 AM
There are no races period. The genetic differences between human beings are negligeable and those who convince themselves otherwise are delusional.
That is arguable and depends on how you define "race". [/b]
1 ( P ) Pronunciation Key (rs)
n.

1. A local geographic or global human population distinguished as a more or less distinct group by genetically transmitted physical characteristics.
2. A group of people united or classified together on the basis of common history, nationality, or geographic distribution: the German race.
3. A genealogical line; a lineage.
4. Humans considered as a group.
5. Biology.
1. An interbreeding, usually geographically isolated population of organisms differing from other populations of the same species in the frequency of hereditary traits. A race that has been given formal taxonomic recognition is known as a subspecies.
2. A breed or strain, as of domestic animals.
6. A distinguishing or characteristic quality, such as the flavor of a wine.

[Guest1]

A dictionary lists all known usages, even if they are wrong. <_<

Scientifically and genetically, there is no such thing as race.

[flayer2]

Ah I see... Sorry about that&#33;&#33;

And sorry for bumping this slanderous thread ;)

[John Galt]

Originally posted by Che y [email protected] 8 2004, 04:01 AM
A dictionary lists all known usages, even if they are wrong. <_<

Scientifically and genetically, there is no such thing as race.
Isnt it Species---&#62;Genus---&#62;Race?

[Guest1]

Among homo sapiens, there are no races, how many times do I have to repeat?


Many researchers in biology and genetics, however, assert that in humans there is in fact insufficient categorical variation to justify the classification of humans into multiple races in a strictly biological sense. Many social scientists therefore view race as a social construct, and have sought to understand it as such, as explained later in this article.


By the 1950s most anthropologists had come to question the very existence of race as a biological phenomenon. This rejection was based on three facts. First, they pointed out that the preponderance of evidence suggests that all human beings are descended from a common ancestor (although this fact alone has little bearing on the subsequent formation or non-formation of new subgroups). Second, they observed that there are many biological differences between people that are not taken into account by race (for example, blood type). Finally, they pointed out that oftentimes the genetic differences between members of the same race are greater than the average genetic difference between races. For example, the variation in blood types within specific groups is 85%, but the total variation between groups is only 15% (see the American Anthropological Association&#39;s Statement on Race [2]).


Since the 1960s, some anthropologists and teachers of anthropology have re-conceived "race" as a cultural category or social construct, in other words, as a particular way that some people have of talking about themselves and others. As such it cannot be a useful analytical concept; rather, the use of the term "race" itself must be analyzed. Moreover, biology will not explain why or how people use the idea of race: history and social relationships will.

Wikipedia Article, Genetic And Anthropological Studies On Race (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race#Anthropological_and_genetic_studies_of_race)

Obviously, there are different views, but simply put, they require making humanity an exception in how we classify species and races. It requires bending the rules on genetics.

As I said, delusional.

[mysticofthewest]

The Hebrew are a people not a race why would u you classify them as a race Every Asian makes up the Asian Race the same with black and Latino the jews are just a small grow nothing more

[LuZhiming]

Even by the decidedly false and loose assumption that blood can determine a race, there is no Jewish race, just as there is no Christian or Muslim race.

The native people of Israel were a race. They are referred to as the Jewish race, or as Hebrews.

[Guest1]

They can be referred to as a race. My point is that&#39;s wrong. There are no races.

Next point, if Hebrews were a race, not all Hebrews were Jewish, so it does not make Judaism a race.

Judaism is not genetic. Any claim to the contrary is racism. Be it from anti-semites, or ultra-right Jews, both of the groups claiming Judaism is genetic are racist.

Next, race does not exist in our species. The genetic differences between different peoples are so minute that the way we define races is by pure idiocy. Anyone who tells you there are races is either dangerously ignorant, or absolutely racist.

As for referred to, I&#39;m trying to find a slightly more factual basis than "that&#39;s what people say", and there is none.

But let&#39;s say you&#39;re right for one second, that there is a genetic basis for race. We&#39;ve reached a point in society where we should abolish it either way.

[flayer2]

If there is such a thing called race then perhaps there are 3 possibly 4 basic races. Drawing a line between them is impossible. Many american blacks have European blood and would be seen as foreigners in Africa... Try to convince an African that Halle Berry is anything but white. It&#39;s all a matter of perception... i.e a social construct. Even the "white race" is a social construct... American "white" is very different to South American "white" ( especially Brazil ). Are you saying European, arab and Ethiopean jews are are of the same race?... or are you saying that only one of these are the "real jews" and the others are merely converts?. I saw a poll where a large percentage of amerikan think that muslims are a race. The hight of amerikan idiocy... :P

[LuZhiming]

They can be referred to as a race. My point is that&#39;s wrong. There are no races.

That&#39;s another point, and I agree with it, but I was referring to what out society in general calls "races" which have nothing to do with technical facts anyhow.


Next point, if Hebrews were a race, not all Hebrews were Jewish, so it does not make Judaism a race.

And if you notice, that has absolutely nothing to do with my point. You are quite right with your claim, Ethiopian Jews are certainly not part any "Jewish race." The Hebrews are referred to as the Jewish race. You can call the term confusing or ridicolous, and would be right, but that is what they are called. Personally, I think the idea of the "Jewish race" should be dropped because it only creates confusion.


As for referred to, I&#39;m trying to find a slightly more factual basis than "that&#39;s what people say", and there is none.

There is not a real factual bases for the concept of race. You can say that means that races don&#39;t exist, but that does not change what race means to us in general.

[Rasta Sapian]

there are many different breeds of homo sapian sapians, which are sometimes referred to as "races" however the term itself foreshadows racism&#33;

We are all the same species&#33; just as dogs are all the same species as well&#33;
we can all breed with each other, so I agree we are all basically of the same race.

peace yall