Battle of the generations

[Dune Dx]

After watching IF on bbc two just now. Which to anyone who didnt watch it was about the aging population of Britain and how they will hold the voting power in 2024 in the form of the grey party. They will increase pensions so they can live life to the full get make overs off the NHS while the younger population have to foot the bill and will be in total debt unable to have there own house or even go on holiday to me this just shows how democracy doesnt work but I cant see how communism can solve it either

[STI]

In communism, the old people would be turned into glue. :P


Seriously, though. People wouldn't be mass- wasting and profit- mongering, so there would be a lot of free resources that would not exist today for the elderly to consume.

[MiDnIgHtMaRaUdEr]

Socialized medicine is the way to go. If keeping 75% of the population on life support in nursing homes is too much strain for the economy, then reduce the quality of medicine for everyone to a level that is practical. Medicine should be done Cuban style.

[Don't Change Your Name]

Excuse me if I didn't understand exactly what you mean, but wouldn't that happen all the time in every country???

[Nyder]

You people are impossible to take seriously. :lol:

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

Really Nyder? Please elaborate, and astound us, nay bowl us over in sheer amazement as you explain precisely how we can't be taken seriously.

Simply because most of us do not think that the wrinklies deserve to be herded into boring, privatised nursing homes and held prisoner at the expense of relatives?

Or are you incapable of countanencing such ideas as free healthcare for all, rather than being robbed blind by some quack whose salary depends on pushing as many pills at you as possible?

You're the one who can't be taken seriously.

-NoX

[Guest1]

Originally posted by [email protected] 24 2004, 09:34 PM
Socialized medicine is the way to go. If keeping 75% of the population on life support in nursing homes is too much strain for the economy, then reduce the quality of medicine for everyone to a level that is practical. Medicine should be done Cuban style.
Fuck man! You get more wacky by the day!

Socialism is not a game, stop playing the social experiment mad scientist role. You don't just pull a crazy lever here and there to deal with problems, with no regard for the people whose lives you're fucking with. They are not just statistics!

Fucking hell "then reduce the quality of medicine".

Fucking nuthead.

[STI]

Even in capitalism, it would be possible for everybody to get the medicine they need for very little money, we just need to start allowing generic knock- offs of drugs sooner and make it easier for them to be made.

This would be MUCH easier in socialism/communism/anarchism.

[Dune Dx]

How can you stop the price of medicine going up in a capatalist country if its in demand?

The problem is there arnt enough people to support the generation of the baby boombers it could even bring about the end of the human race. The old feed off the young the young cant efford to live or repoduce!

[IPkurd]

"The problem is there arnt enough people to support the generation of the baby boombers it could even bring about the end of the human race. The old feed off the young the young cant efford to live or repoduce! "

then we go rob the wheel chair bound oldies, that will even things out :P

[Capitalist Imperial]

Summary eradication of those deemed no longer productive (per set guidelines) could be a viable option.

This would ease economic pressures of maintaining costs that don't yield a return, as well as freeing resources for the producers of society.

This process seems harsh, but it reconciles well with the reality of aging baby-boomer economics, and it fits well within the capitalist model of seeking ever-better cost efficiencies across all aspects of an open economy.

[Osman Ghazi]

Well I agree with you on one thing, it certainly fits well within the capitalist model.

Sorry, is that too 'ad hoc' for ya? Fucktard.

[MiDnIgHtMaRaUdEr]

Originally posted by Che y Marijuana+Mar 25 2004, 11:16 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Che y Marijuana @ Mar 25 2004, 11:16 AM)
[email protected] 24 2004, 09:34 PM
Socialized medicine is the way to go. If keeping 75% of the population on life support in nursing homes is too much strain for the economy, then reduce the quality of medicine for everyone to a level that is practical. Medicine should be done Cuban style.
Fuck man&#33; You get more wacky by the day&#33;

Socialism is not a game, stop playing the social experiment mad scientist role. You don&#39;t just pull a crazy lever here and there to deal with problems, with no regard for the people whose lives you&#39;re fucking with. They are not just statistics&#33;

Fucking hell "then reduce the quality of medicine".

Fucking nuthead. [/b]
Ok, I appologize for the "reduce the quality of medicine" remark. The US is the richest country in the world, and there is no excuse why every citizen cannot have the best medical treatment that is available. Just imagine a population where the average age is 80 or so and 1/2 the population is on life support. Kinda difficult to sustain no? Granted that isnt going to happen within the foreseeable future it is really a pointless comment. Sorry then. :(

[Guest1]

No, I&#39;m sorry, I overreacted. You do see why it pissed me off though, right?

Anyways, I see your point, but that&#39;s highly unlikely. Plus, all of those people have to die at some point. So the government can support them, sacrifice a bit to do it for a decade or two. Then bam, they start dropping like flies, and the next boom won&#39;t reach bed-ridden age for another couple of decades. So the reduced costs after their die-off help to pay for the next generation of stagnation.

See how it could work?

[cubist]

Fuck man&#33; You get more wacky by the day&#33;

Socialism is not a game, stop playing the social experiment mad scientist role. You don&#39;t just pull a crazy lever here and there to deal with problems, with no regard for the people whose lives you&#39;re fucking with. They are not just statistics&#33;



absolutely

che said
"developement cannot be left to complete improvisation. it is necassary to plan the construction of the new society. Planning is one of the laws of socialism, and with out it socialism would not exist. With out correct planning there can be no adequate guarantee that all the various sectors of the economy will combine harmoniously to take the leaps forward our epoch demands."

nuff said i think

[Dune Dx]

But the life expectancy is constantly rising so it will be longer till the baby boombers start to "drop off like flies" and the generation of the baby boombers is a fit one they have been around in the era of health scares and will take care of themselves - living longer. meanwhile while the g&#39;ment is paying for all these pentions through the youngs noses the young cant efford to live you may say its not likely to happen most of the population in care but its going to happen there wither wont be people at home to take care of them so they are cared fthrough the NHS or more directly the young have to pay for the old.

Also to the points about so just steel the money back - we shouldnt have to comit crimes to live

[Rasta Sapian]

yes, I agree on what you are saying. The world as we know it will change as the baby boomers start becoming old folks, dependant on us for survival&#33;

And yes, they are a huge burden on the government as far as health issues and pensions are concerned, Can our generation which appears to be quite fucking broke, be able to afford them? I would have to say "I don&#39;t no&#33;"

But the fact is that many of the babyboomers have more than enough capital to take care of themselves, and possibly thier entire generation. But will they? is the question.

If the baby boomers can loose there greed and individualistic glorified reality then maybe things can improve, however, this is doubtfull&#33;

To look on the positive side of things, there will be more bread crumbs and disgarded past pocessions for us to scavage upon&#33;

If we had a socialist society, thing would get better, that i know&#33; Old folks would not be pushed off and concidered a burden, but rather glorified for there labours and kept closer to the family as loved ones should be&#33;

It will be interesting to see where the independance and greed will take the babyboomers?

[sparky44]

Originally posted by Dune [email protected] 26 2004, 04:01 PM
But the life expectancy is constantly rising so it will be longer till the baby boombers start to "drop off like flies" and the generation of the baby boombers is a fit one they have been around in the era of health scares and will take care of themselves - living longer. meanwhile while the g&#39;ment is paying for all these pentions through the youngs noses the young cant efford to live you may say its not likely to happen most of the population in care but its going to happen there wither wont be people at home to take care of them so they are cared fthrough the NHS or more directly the young have to pay for the old.

Also to the points about so just steel the money back - we shouldnt have to comit crimes to live
So tell me then, who is going to pay for you when you get old??

First of all, depending on the country you live in, when people work they pay into a pension plan at work as well as into a private one if they so choose. As for socialized medicine.....it&#39;s paid for through taxes......you know that money we pay the government on the money we make.

I also see an awful lot of young people in hospitals with chronic conditions that could have been prevented had they watched the type of lifestyle they led.

You make it sound like the baby boomers are all going to get sick at once and suddenly cost the health care system a lot of money but that&#39;s not true as a lot more of them are healthier than you think.