Originally posted by pandora+Mar 25 2004, 04:46 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (pandora @ Mar 25 2004, 04:46 AM)
Comrade
[email protected] 24 2004, 11:11 PM
The semites, which include Arabs originate from that area, however, Jews, which include Western Eurpopeans, Eastern Europeans, Canadians, Americans, Etheopians, etc. can't really claim Israel to be their Nationality.
My family is Turkish Spanish Jewish Sephardic. That means we came up from the area around Isreal in 300 AD to Spain to help mine gold in Spain when the Spain were considered Native people by the Romans. Together with the Moors we created a great deal of architecture, libraries, and silver smithing, etc in addition to developing more deeply a form of Qabbalistic understanding known as Jewish mysticism see El Greco, Holy Toledo, etc.
The Holy Roman Empire, freaked out by internal forms of spirituality, ie. find yourself in a cave stuff cracked down for a variety of reasons and expelled the Moors and Jews from Spain in a little horror show known as the Spanish Inquisition, also kept them from paying back certain loans which benefited Ferdinand and Isabella,
My family had some money so the king of Turkey let us settle on an island where we benefitted from pirate activity much endorsed by expelled Jews against the Spanish Armada. Later after Turkey committed genocide against the Armenians fearing we'd be next and not wanting to fight in the Straights of Gallopi my great grandfather dressed as a bride to be, and my great grandmother a wedding matcher escaped.
We are ARAB JEWS, yes that little thing SHARON doesn't like to talk about, my mother's family looks like they are from are from Palestine except those who are Gentile as they call it. I'm mutt.
IT's an ethnicity even though the country didn't exist till recently. If I were to go to ISReal I would probably rank below Palestine citizens believe it or not.
Arab Jews who remained in Isreal during reoccupation have been treated LIKE Garbage by the EURopean Jews who never really liked us.
Myself and many members of my family actually members of more Eastern Religions some members still live in Turkey having never left.
I get tired of people thinking all Jews lived in Europe, there are many Middle EASTERN JEWS, and there have been many progroms there and north. [/b]
The point I was trying to make, was not that there is absolutely no link of Jews to that area... and this is a sensitive issue which can be touchy at times.
What I am saying, is that even if you can link your ancestors (or how many thousands of years ago?) to that area, doesn't really mean that it's your birthright to always go back to that area.
I have Irish in my family, does that mean I should be granted Irish citizenship no matter what?
A lot of the people going to Israel do not even give 2 fucks about it, and just want to use it as an avenue into the U.S. or Canada, especially the many Jewish Russsians who are finding life under Russian Capitalism to be shitty.
I am not arguing that Israel should be abolished either.