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cubist
23rd March 2004, 16:11
Why dont we know anything about this mass exodus that that Bible talks about? And yet, we know about Ankenatum and Nefertiti. We know that Tutankamun was
originally named Tutankhatum. The Egyptians were positively neurotic about
getting stuff written down, and there are many, many instances where stuff
"stricken from all the books" survived. There were simply too many records, not
only official state records but more personal accounts written on papyri and
tomb walls.

Had there been a distinct ethnic group held as slaves in Egypt for some 400
years, THERE WOULD HAVE BEEN RECORDS. There is no possible way that 400 years
of a basic slave caste could have been just erased with no trace, not when
records were literally carved in stone.

Had there been a string of disasters of the scope claimed in the Bible, THERE
WOULD HAVE BEEN RECORDS. There are many instances in extant records of famine,
of infestations of locusts, of drought, of rampant disease. No where in any of
the records is there mention of any series of event even close to comparable to
"the Ten Plagues." Something as bizarre as the Nile turning to blood or a hail
of fire or a disease that struck only the first born would have been written
down *somewhere*.

Had tens of thousands of slaves all left at once, carrying with them most of
Egypt's wealth, pursued by the mighty army of Egypt which was lost as the "Reed
Sea" (the English translation of 'Yam Soof' as 'Red Sea' is in error) when the
tide came, THERE WOULD HAVE BEEN RECORDS. Egyptian histories tell of many
defeats in battle. Why not this one which would have been so noteworthy?

Interestly enough, Egyptian records DO tell of a group of Semitic invaders, the
Hyksos. The Hyksos were (by Egyptian standards) a warlike people that had the
temerity to attack and actually *conquer* Egypt, due to the fact that the
Hyksos had horses and chariots; the Egyptians did not. The 15th Dynasty was
Hyksos, not Egyptian (the 16th Dynasty ran parallel and consisted of Egyptian
vassal kings.) Written examples of the Hyksos language show strong
similarities to early Hebrew and other Semitic tongues. The Hyksos were
defeated around 1570 and 1546 BCE by the founder of the 18th Dynasty, Ahmose 1.
Curiously enough, the Hyksos are described in Egyptian records as fleeing the
land with much of Egypt's wealth, pursued by a vast army that turned back only
when the Hyksos fled in to the swamps of the Nile delta.
--
Gregory Gadow

redstar2000
23rd March 2004, 17:52
Not to mention the fact that while there has been much searching in the Sinai peninsula, not so much as a single shard of pottery has ever turned up that can be dated anywhere near the various estimates for the "exodus" or identified with anything used in the Palestine of that time.

It's currently thought, I believe, that the Hebrews were an indigenous tribe of mountain folk in Palestine...closely related to nearby tribes. Their settlements are distinguished from their neighbors by the odd absence of pig bones.

There is, as I recall, a single Egyptian inscription that may possibly refer to them...one of the long lists of peoples conquered by Ramses II.

:redstar2000:

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cubist
23rd March 2004, 18:10
interesting well at least i know there is some evidence,

Spartacus2002
30th March 2004, 23:30
i suggest all of you, if you are as objective as you claim to read the book "evidence that demands a verdict" but i doubt u are you are all to busy trying to prove a point rather then be objective but whatever

cubist
31st March 2004, 16:19
nope i just stumbled acroos taht info on the net and thought it would be interesting for the theists atheists alike