does your mind have a great effect on your world?

[Anarchist Freedom]

ive always had this theory that with a positive mind will make your life better and if you beleive something good will happen in your positive mindset. Like if your always focusing on death then things will always seem negative because your always afraid. do any of you agree that a positive attitude makes everything around you better?



:che:




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[Pedro Alonso Lopez]

Yeah sure, a healthy outllok on life will lead to confidence which will directly affect your chances at succeeding in any field be it business, personal or even in the role of revolutionary.

[BOZG]

Like if your always focusing on death then things will always seem negative because your always afraid.

Could you explain how exactly focusing on death makes your afraid?



And no, I don't think a positive outlook can change things.

[cubist]

the believe in no life after death scares people, believing in religions like christianity would cuase you to focus attention on living for jesus to get into heaven, therefore yourlife is focused on the consequences of death

[Pedro Alonso Lopez]

Originally posted by [email protected] 23 2004, 05:08 PM


Could you explain how exactly focusing on death makes your afraid?



And no, I don't think a positive outlook can change things.
Death causes fear in people, if it dosent then why do most people upon realisation of death urinate etc.

Examine any individual facing the prospect of death and signs of fear emerge.

If you begin to focus on death a sense of fear will be aroused but quite possible also feelings of defiance etc.

If you have a positive outlook by the way wouldnt that be a change from anegative outlook thus changing the world as it appears to any individual?

[cubist]

but yes i do think that positive outlook would benifit,

its more a matter of understanding ones weakness is not created by EVIL introduced by a snake with an apple, and that capitalism is the reason for peoples issues not religion is the resolution

[Pedro Alonso Lopez]

Personally I think there will always be good and evil as long as man lives, communism or not.

Communism to me is just an ideal like religion that one day everything will be alright.

Only pessimistic if your aim is communism, if not then acceptance is the answer. I embrace both good and evil as neccessary aspects of life.

[cubist]

nice geist

[redstar2000]

I embrace both good and evil as neccessary aspects of life.

The practical consequences of such an approach boggle the mind.

Rape and pillage every morning; charity and "good works" every afternoon. (:o)

:redstar2000:

The Redstar2000 Papers (http://www.redstar2000papers.vze.com)
A site about communist ideas

[BOZG]

You're generalising the fear of death.




If you have a positive outlook by the way wouldnt that be a change from anegative outlook thus changing the world as it appears to any individual?

Past experience tells me no.

[Pedro Alonso Lopez]

Originally posted by [email protected] 23 2004, 07:03 PM

I embrace both good and evil as neccessary aspects of life.

The practical consequences of such an approach boggle the mind.

Rape and pillage every morning; charity and "good works" every afternoon. (:o)

:redstar2000:

The Redstar2000 Papers (http://www.redstar2000papers.vze.com)
A site about communist ideas
Oh Redstar sometimes I wonder about you.

I embrace good and evil as neccessary aspects of the world.

That is I accept that with all evil comes good and vice versa, in the context of this discussion that even communism will always fall to evil because the history of mankind of tainted with good intentions and bad intentions.

I am quite surprised you would even believe that I would advocate a life of doing good and evil when I felt like it. :lol:

[Anarchist Freedom]

ill explain how focusing on your death makes you afraid because most people in this world are scared to die because all of us have no clue what will happen soo then we get scared basically i see that negative energy will fuck shit up and positive energy is good for you(kinda new ageish but hey).




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[SittingBull47]

totally agree. I think there's a positive force just flying through space, like a fluid current. The more positive your outlook, the better your creating the world.

[Saddie-sad]

I'm from the school that believes that bad things happen in three's and so do good things. But of course that's all well and good to believe that, but normally bad things happen. I also believe in karma.

[dark fairy]

Originally posted by [email protected] 23 2004, 05:32 PM
Personally I think there will always be good and evil as long as man lives, communism or not.

Communism to me is just an ideal like religion that one day everything will be alright.

Only pessimistic if your aim is communism, if not then acceptance is the answer. I embrace both good and evil as neccessary aspects of life.
you took the words out of my mouth... inorder for there to be a wrong the will be a right. when someone wins someone looses! but as far as the out look and making things better and what not... well it might make things better for you, until you get tired of it.

[Pedro Alonso Lopez]

Originally posted by dark fairy+Mar 26 2004, 04:40 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (dark fairy @ Mar 26 2004, 04:40 AM)
[email protected] 23 2004, 05:32 PM
Personally I think there will always be good and evil as long as man lives, communism or not.

Communism to me is just an ideal like religion that one day everything will be alright.

Only pessimistic if your aim is communism, if not then acceptance is the answer. I embrace both good and evil as neccessary aspects of life.
you took the words out of my mouth... inorder for there to be a wrong the will be a right. when someone wins someone looses&#33; but as far as the out look and making things better and what not... well it might make things better for you, until you get tired of it. [/b]
Exactly, sometimes Marxists ignore the questions of philosophy especially those of evil as neccessity because they are so convinced but as Nietzsche said Convictions are enemies of truth.

[quaz]

Good and bad things will come irrespective of your outlook. The key is not to let it bother you. Let tommorow worry about itself.

[God of Imperia]

I always say: Hakuna Matata
No worries&#33;&#33;&#33;
And offcourse does your mind affect your world ... Isn&#39;t that obvious, but cool question, but you know, you&#39;re mind controls everything about you so it should affect your world to, and by your world I take you mean how you look at the world?

[Raisa]

Your mind affects your actions and inactions. And so it does influence the world. And it will have influence on what some one else thinks as well.
I believe all living things actions and inactions collectively influence everything.

[El Tipo]

I think I was happier when I believed in god (12-16 years old) and I didnt "see" the evil things in this world, but when I started to see all the madness well I was depressed but then I found books by Dalai Lama, Ghandi and I also took the bible and done it as well, and know I feel that there can be changes in this world, we just have to take action and also keep the hope in dark hours... *dramatic* :)

[Pedro Alonso Lopez]

One thing people must always consider is their personal potential, I&#39;ve had this discussion with a couple of Masters students the other day. A lot in between but a general concensus that an individuals potential can have great effect, positive or negative.

[pandora]

When I go through a dark time I always remember the words of Martin Luther King Jr., another Marxist even though he still was a Reverend, he sought to find peace between his religion and world view, the words that especially healed me and drove me forth 12 years ago were,
&#39;IF you can help somebody, with a word, then your living will not be in vain."
In otherwords to me this said, yes you could die tomorrow, but if in your living you help one person, one being, than you had a reason for existing on this planet, otherwise what&#39;s the point.
As a Buddhist I believe we have some universal karma that put us all here on this Earth at this time, and this is a difficult time, we either evolve, or die, that&#39;s it for the human race on this planet, she&#39;ll flick us off like a pack of fleas, the way we treat other species. [My favorite Twilight Zone "To Serve Mankind" IT&#39;s A Cookbook&#33;] So deliciously evil, but true. Ask a cow what it thinks of us, we suck.

We kill a fish to feed a man, that is our reality, it is dark. Filled with blood, mixed Karma. But we can liberate our minds. There&#39;s a great film out now shot in Portland Oregon called "What the #&#036;^%& Do We Know"
It concerns the research of different physicists on how mind adapts reality, a Japanese scientist found that by simply changing the word on a bottle filled with water the molecules changed shape, was it his mind that created this?

What is observer and observed. The more we liberate our consciousness the more we liberate the consciousness of those around us, it is a natural progression.

[Eastside Revolt]

Originally posted by Geist+Mar 23 2004, 07:21 PM--> (Geist @ Mar 23 2004, 07:21 PM)
[email protected] 23 2004, 07:03 PM

I embrace both good and evil as neccessary aspects of life.

The practical consequences of such an approach boggle the mind.

Rape and pillage every morning; charity and "good works" every afternoon. (:o)

:redstar2000:

The Redstar2000 Papers (http://www.redstar2000papers.vze.com)
A site about communist ideas
Oh Redstar sometimes I wonder about you.

I embrace good and evil as neccessary aspects of the world.

That is I accept that with all evil comes good and vice versa, in the context of this discussion that even communism will always fall to evil because the history of mankind of tainted with good intentions and bad intentions.

I am quite surprised you would even believe that I would advocate a life of doing good and evil when I felt like it. :lol: [/b]
In my experience it is a mistake to consider evil to be "necessary". Hell if you were to believe that, you would almost have justification for this war on terror. Hell, I do "good" by bombing Iraq in a fight to defeat "evil", and oh look here comes a brand new terrorist org.

[pandora]

Originally posted by redcanada+Apr 10 2004, 03:21 AM--> (redcanada @ Apr 10 2004, 03:21 AM)
Originally posted by [email protected] 23 2004, 07:21 PM

[email protected] 23 2004, 07:03 PM

I embrace both good and evil as neccessary aspects of life.

The practical consequences of such an approach boggle the mind.

Rape and pillage every morning; charity and "good works" every afternoon. (:o)

:redstar2000:

The Redstar2000 Papers (http://www.redstar2000papers.vze.com)
A site about communist ideas
Oh Redstar sometimes I wonder about you.

I embrace good and evil as neccessary aspects of the world.

That is I accept that with all evil comes good and vice versa, in the context of this discussion that even communism will always fall to evil because the history of mankind of tainted with good intentions and bad intentions.

I am quite surprised you would even believe that I would advocate a life of doing good and evil when I felt like it. :lol:
In my experience it is a mistake to consider evil to be "necessary". Hell if you were to believe that, you would almost have justification for this war on terror. Hell, I do "good" by bombing Iraq in a fight to defeat "evil", and oh look here comes a brand new terrorist org. [/b]
Exactly I think Socrates said it best in the dialogues with Polemarchus of Plato&#39;s Republic Book I :

--And instead of saying simply as we did at first, that it is just to do good to our friends and harm to our enemies, we should further say: It is just to do good to our friends when they are good and harm to our enemies when they are evil?
Yes that appears to me to be the truth
But ought the jest ot injure anyone at all
undoubtedly he out to injure those who are both wicked and his enemies . . .

--And can the just by justice make men unjust, or speking generally can the good by virtue make them bad?
#Assuredly not.

--Any more than heat can produce cold?
#It cannot

--Or drought moisture?
#Clearly not.

--Nor can the good harm anyone?
#Impossible.

--And the just is the good?
#Certainly.

--Then to injure a friend or anyone else is not the act of a just man, but of the opposite, who is the unjust?
#It think that what you say is quite true, Socrates.

Think they wouldn&#39;t get him the hemlock today?
Assuredly so.
[Although he wasn&#39;t nice to his wife, left her alone, the wisdom of women was undermined by Socrates and Plato, and ROUSSEAU, although I do like their ideas otherwise.

[Pedro Alonso Lopez]

Originally posted by [email protected] 10 2004, 03:21 AM


In my experience it is a mistake to consider evil to be "necessary". Hell if you were to believe that, you would almost have justification for this war on terror. Hell, I do "good" by bombing Iraq in a fight to defeat "evil", and oh look here comes a brand new terrorist org.

It is no mistake at all to consider good and evil to be in eternal strife, it seems you lack a historical analysis on the nature of the two concepts.

It is not justification at all, thius actually dosent deserve a reply. It is idiotic to its core.

[Eastside Revolt]

Jerk me and reply

Would you like to describe to me the nature of "good" and "evil"?

btw, I was just trying to make a point, I was trying to make you out as some sort of yankee patriot.

[Pedro Alonso Lopez]

Jerk me and reply

What the hell, jerk me and reply, is that a flame? Well it managed to put itself out... :D



Would you like to describe to me the nature of "good" and "evil"?

Ummm, why? I pretty much follow the Nietzschen line on good and evil, as an avid Nietzsche reader you will already know or should know my position on morality.


btw, I was just trying to make a point, I was trying to make you out as some sort of yankee patriot.

Well you failed miserably. I hope one day you leanr to understand, em, most things.

[Eastside Revolt]

Okay 2 tings:

1. I meant to type "wasn&#39;t" instead of "was trying to make you..."

2. No I&#39;m not a big Nietzsche fan, as much of an idiot as that makes me in your eyes. From what I understand, he was into persectivism, doesn&#39;t that mean that there is NO absolute? My own interpretation of "good" and "evil" as I have understood, is that they are THE absolutes.

Honestly though please enlighten me as to the "nietszchen" point of view.

[Pedro Alonso Lopez]

1. Well that makes one hell of a difference to the post dosent it although I was confused as to where patriotism came into it.

2. It dosent make you an idiot but you do base some of your observations here on a grounding in Nietzsche. (By the way it is worth having a look into, seriously makes for good reading).

Anyway basically Nietzsche calls for a re-evaluation of morals because from a philological perspective he finds that the words good and evil are used by whoever wants to control whoever in society.

For example the weak call the strongs actions evil so that they can dominate them, the priests use it also to secure their lax positions etc. #

Thats a very basic explanation I know but it is Easter and I have a hangover.

By the way I apoligise for the overreaction but the was/wasnt part of the post seemed like an attack and I am sure you can why.

[FriedFrog]

I think I was happier when I believed in god (12-16 years old) and I didnt "see" the evil things in this world, but when I started to see all the madness well I was depressed but then I found books by Dalai Lama, Ghandi and I also took the bible and done it as well, and know I feel that there can be changes in this world, we just have to take action and also keep the hope in dark hours...

yer, quite. i believe in god, and i&#39;m a pretty happy person. i&#39;m not saying thats the reason i am happy. i&#39;m pretty lucky having a bit of a good upbringing, but if you focus on the bad things, you can realise they can be changed for the better. it takes a lot of will and hard work to change theses things, but it can be done. corny as it sounds, communism is the way to do that.

[Pedro Alonso Lopez]

God and evil arent incompatible in my opinion. Personally though I hold a view of strict agnosticism. I recall my favourite aphorism and this for all who believe because they havent challenged their opinions:


If you desire peace of soul and happiness, then believe,
if you would be a disciple of truth, then inquire.

The motto for any aspiring philosopher.

[The Divine]

A positive outlook will just lead for a greater fall when your expectations are not met to your satisfactory. A negative outlook will just lead you to feel betrayed when you get more then you ever dreamed of. Stay neutral, understand both sides. In time, sides will form, thoughts will thicken, and you will understand.