I went to the Freak Protest

[AmericanZionist2004]

Wow. My friends and I went to our first ever anti-war, anti-capitalism, anti-Bush, anti-American, anti-everything protest in New York City this past weekend. One of the members of the Communist Party told us on camera that he supported suicide bombings and had no intentions of "Mideast peace". They let Mumia (Philly cop-killer) speak on a loud recording and he was talking, ironically, about non-violence. On one final note, I just want to make something abundantly clear. The groups that organize these movements are so, ridiculously well-funded that they are able to organize all these people for their causes. There was one sign I saw that asked, "Who Profits from War?" With all the donations and leftist T-shirt sales, apparently they do.

[STI]

Just because ONE person who CLAIMED to be a communist said something does NOT mean it applies to all leftists. You should know that.

[Bolshevika]

Hahah, you were at that demonstration, Jew? What do you look like I was there as well.

You must of been zee outvaged at the comments. Did you call the ADL?!?! :D :D :D

[AmericanZionist2004]

Originally posted by [email protected] 21 2004, 11:20 PM
Hahah, you were at that demonstration, Jew? What do you look like I was there as well.

You must of been zee outvaged at the comments. Did you call the ADL?!?! :D :D :D
Thank you. And now you have not only proved my point, but I reported you. Socialist Tiger, I know not all leftists think alike, but if there are certain people who chastize me for merely being Jewish, this is intolerable. And if I were the hypothetical Democrat-voting Jew who I just described, I would feel very uncomfortable at yesterday's rally.

[Individual]

How am I to feel when I see so many Palestinian flags and people who chant "Up, Up, Intifada" and distribute huge Palestinian flags and in many cases unabashedly hate Jews? This would not be fair to me if I came to oppose the war, why must I also support Arab terrorism?

Same situation:

How am I to feel with a capitalist standing next to me opposing the war? This would not be fair to me if I came to oppose the war, why must I also support US capitalists?

Quit whining; you were there to oppose the war, not support Muslim terrorists.

[AmericanZionist2004]

Actually, I supporterd the war. But I was bringing up a hypothetical situation becsuse I have seen many in this predicament.

[Soul Rebel]

For a minute, let's suppose I'm a Jew who supports Israel but wants peace in the Middle East.

You really can't have both: support Israel and want peace in the Middle East. Its really contradictory. The only way to have peace there would be to allow Palestine to have its own state, as well as other things (stop the horrible treatment of the Kurds in Turkey for example). By supporting Israel you are supporting what they are doing, which is basically terrorizing a group of people (by plowing down their houses, building a barrier, soldiers killing and raping civilans, etc.), and leads to no peace.

And because you are jewish you dont have to support Israel. Many people will say you are a self-hating jew, but its not true. Just recently in spain i was looking at photos of rabbis protesting against the actions of Israel and what it stands for. To me this is not a self-hating jew, but a person with courage who is demanding that the mistreatment of a people come to a stop. It is a humane person, a person who cares deeply about others.

[Soul Rebel]

i did it again:( i edited someones post rather than quote it and then it was blank so i deleted it. but here's the post made by AZ, to which i replied to. Im really a mess....sorry people.

POST BY AMERICANZIONIST2004:
But I';m not basing this on only one person. I ran into a Muslim kid that told me Jewish blood was cheap. But the bottom line is, these signs that they had were distributed en masse. There was no one sign that could not be found hundreds of times throughout the protest, so opinions were essentially in unison. Also, the reason this guy saying what he said was important was that he manned one of the booths set up by the organizations that planned this rally, and thus it may be an opinion among those who set up this demonstration. Think about it. For a minute, let's suppose I'm a Jew who supports Israel but wants peace in the Middle East. I vote Democrat perennially and opposed the war in Iraq, etc. How am I to feel when I see so many Palestinian flags and people who chant "Up, Up, Intifada" and distribute huge Palestinian flags and in many cases unabashedly hate Jews? This would not be fair to me if I came to oppose the war, why must I also support Arab terrorism?

[Urban Rubble]

By supporting Israel you are supporting what they are doing, which is basically terrorizing a group of people (by plowing down their houses, building a barrier, soldiers killing and raping civilans, etc.), and leads to no peace.

Senora, please don't make the mistake of being the type of leftist who is outraged at Israel's crimes yet doesn't see the Palestinian's crimes. Your statement could very easily be reversed to say "By supporting Palestine you are supporting terrorism, suicide bombings and Palestinians raping Jewish women (which has happened).

Also, please don't act like all Israelis support these actions. Many Israeli soldiers simply want peace. Many of them hold the view that they are the ones being attacked, and rightly so. Israel hasn't exactly gotten a warm reception in the Middle East, and no matter what you say, they have as much right to be there as Palestinians do. Not that I am supporting Israels attrocities, just please don't act like this issue is so one sided. It isn't.



Hahah, you were at that demonstration, Jew? What do you look like I was there as well.

Nice to see that anti semitism still runs through most Stalinists blood.

[MiDnIgHtMaRaUdEr]

Hmmm which is better....Islamic fundamentalism or Judeo-Christian fundamentalism? The only way I could ever imagine peace in Isreal is for the entire Israeli/Palestinian government to get steamrolled by a hard-line Stalinist style dictatorship (most likely by a foriegn occupation). Surpress the ethnic conflict (force desegregated communities and implement strict affermative action policies in every aspect of life), torch all the synagoges, mosques, or anything else of religious significance (historic or not), ban all religious symbols and references, execute all high ranking religious and national leaders, and nationalize the entire economy. It won't be pretty, but if you want peace, then that's the only way to get the job done. I don't support these extreme measures for everywhere, but Isreal is a special case.

[Xvall]

Why did you point out that he was a 'Jew'. What is that supposed to mean?

[Individual]

It won't be pretty, but if you want peace, then that's the only way to get the job done

Wow! All I can say is just that.

You think you are going to demolish age old battles, demolish entire religions, and demolish eternal hatred by burning synagogues and mosques? By killing religious symbols? Are you serious, because I didn't catch the hint of sarcasm.

Everything that you just wrote would cause global war, not peace. I've heard some crazy things in my day; but this, this one is by far the craziest.

:blink: :blink: :blink:

[commie kg]

Originally posted by [email protected] 21 2004, 03:20 PM
Hahah, you were at that demonstration, Jew?
Such a psychological piece, you fucktards are.

[MiDnIgHtMaRaUdEr]

You think you are going to demolish age old battles, demolish entire religions, and demolish eternal hatred by burning synagogues and mosques? By killing religious symbols? Are you serious, because I didn't catch the hint of sarcasm.

Yes, I am 100% serious. The world would be a much better place had these battles and religions never existed! These religious freaks have been a plauge on society for far too long, such action would end thousands of years of senceless and self-destructive ethnic/religious conflict.


Everything that you just wrote would cause global war, not peace.

Well, I like to look at is as the final conflict, and when such a war is over, I see an era of perpetual peace for mankind.

[AmericanZionist2004]

But I';m not basing this on only one person. I ran into a Muslim kid that told me Jewish blood was cheap. But the bottom line is, these signs that they had were distributed en masse. There was no one sign that could not be found hundreds of times throughout the protest, so opinions were essentially in unison. Also, the reason this guy saying what he said was important was that he manned one of the booths set up by the organizations that planned this rally, and thus it may be an opinion among those who set up this demonstration. Think about it. For a minute, let's suppose I'm a Jew who supports Israel but wants peace in the Middle East. I vote Democrat perennially and opposed the war in Iraq, etc. How am I to feel when I see so many Palestinian flags and people who chant "Up, Up, Intifada" and distribute huge Palestinian flags and in many cases unabashedly hate Jews? This would not be fair to me if I came to oppose the war, why must I also support Arab terrorism?

[Urban Rubble]

This would not be fair to me if I came to oppose the war, why must I also support Arab terrorism?

You shouldn't support Arab terrorism (obviously), but wishing for a Plaestinian state doesn't automatically mean you wish Israel would be bulldozed and all the Jews blown to shreds.

I support a free Israel and a free Palestine without terrorism and violence. Both sides are guilty of crimes in this conflict. Please do not act like Israeli helicopters blowing up an apartement building with 50 civilians in it to get one or two terrorists is not terrorism. That is just as bad as walking on to a bus and detonating a bomb.

[Loknar]

I notice that about so called communists: The sell things. I highly doubt it will go to the che lives fund or some other fund they have. If I wanted to make money I'd show up at anti-war protests and make signs like : Kill the Jew Bags" "Palestinians first" "Shrone is a fascist, Arafat is king", and other dumbass sayings that simple minded sons of *****es believe. All uyou commies have this chip on your shoulder, you are like women going through PMS, you ***** and ***** and have a plug in your ass with a hive iof bees trapped inside. Enjoy your selves sometime,. Do something aside from what Louis Faracon would have you do (that being nothing but *****) and actually smile, laugh, and don’t allow your self to be victimized by PETA and NOW and NAMBLA.

[RedCeltic]

One of the members of the Communist Party told us on camera that he supported suicide bombings and had no intentions of "Mideast peace".

Ok look, there was something like 100,000 people protesting in New York City that day. Do you think that out of a group of 100,000 people in a city like NEW YORK you will meet some nut jobs? The vast majority of people there where by and large liberal democrats who were even opposed to the Green Party chanting “Hey Ho… this two party system’s gotta go”

There were many different groups there that don’t fit in with your typical suicide bomber supporting dip shit. I suppose you didn’t notice the parents of soldiers who died in Iraq protesting there, or Veterans for Peace… all former members of the armed forces that have seen combat and know first hand what the experience is like, and how the Govt. turned their backs on them when they came home.


I just want to make something abundantly clear. The groups that organize these movements are so, ridiculously well-funded that they are able to organize all these people for their causes. There was one sign I saw that asked, "Who Profits from War?" With all the donations and leftist T-shirt sales, apparently they do.

Do you actually think that street vendors in New York City make more money than oil companies? Was this actually your first time in New York? There were two different kinds of vendors there. First you had your small little leftist groups that don’t get the major corporate donations for obvious reasons so really count on the money they can make at these events. Than you have typical street venders who probably the next day were out selling something else. If they aren’t selling peace T-shirts of buttons they would be at the St. Patrick’s day parade selling “kiss me I’m Irish” buttons.

Personally I’d make a distinction between Bechtel or Haliburton and someone trying to make a few bucks selling buttons at a peace protest.


Hahah, you were at that demonstration, Jew?

This seems overly anti-Semitic! I know plenty of Jewish people who are against the war in Iraq and the occupation of Palestine. There are also more and more Jews in the Israeli Army who are refusing to take orders.


How am I to feel with a capitalist standing next to me opposing the war? This would not be fair to me if I came to oppose the war, why must I also support US capitalists?

I would say that the vast majority of people there were liberal democrats who will vote for Kerry as a “lesser of two evils” and don’t actually see the larger picture that Imperialism is the highest form of capitalism.


Hmmm which is better....Islamic fundamentalism or Judeo-Christian fundamentalism? The only way I could ever imagine peace in Isreal is for the entire Israeli/Palestinian government to get steamrolled by a hard-line Stalinist style dictatorship (most likely by a foriegn occupation). Surpress the ethnic conflict (force desegregated communities and implement strict affermative action policies in every aspect of life), torch all the synagoges, mosques, or anything else of religious significance (historic or not), ban all religious symbols and references, execute all high ranking religious and national leaders, and nationalize the entire economy. It won't be pretty, but if you want peace, then that's the only way to get the job done. I don't support these extreme measures for everywhere, but Isreal is a special case.

Your talking about abolishing religion in the ”HOLY LAND”? What you’re

talking about is massive genocide and are pretty much playing right into the stereotype he was aiming at with the sub-title of this thread, “You guys actually seem right wing.” How many right wingers have you heard say similar crap like, “We should destroy everything in Iraq/Palestine, raise the American flag and make it all parking lot and strip malls.” Your post is just fucking disgusting!

[Guest1]

I say, one nation for two peoples is the only way to go. This splitting the land shit will end nothing.

As for bolshevika, what the fuck is wrong with you man? I suggest you apologize, that was a completely disgusting comment.

[Invader Zim]

Originally posted by [email protected] 21 2004, 11:20 PM
Hahah, you were at that demonstration, Jew? What do you look like I was there as well.

You must of been zee outvaged at the comments. Did you call the ADL?!?! :D :D :D
WTF?

If he's Jewish why should it matter?

[Maynard]

Right wingers support suicide bombers and Mumia Abu Jamal now ? :lol: . Did he actually say he didn't want peace or that he just supported the suicide bombers ?
How well funded would these groups be ? The "organization" would cost money to run I presume. I doubt they would be a profit organization and if they were, their profits would be insignificant to the Oil Companies and the defence contractors making hundreds of millions out of this war. Shouldn't they be condemned even more ?
I could take a statement from Pat Buchanan about Hitler "an individual of great courage...Hitler's
success was not based on his extraordinary gifts alone. His genius was an
intuitive sense of the mushiness, the character flaws, the weakness
masquerading as morality that was in the hearts of the statesmen who stood
in his path." and his analysis of the Middle East "There are only two groups that are beating the drums for war in the Middle East -- the Israeli defense ministry and its 'amen corner' in the United States." to now claim that all Republicans are Jew hating Nazi's



All uyou commies have this chip on your shoulder, you are like women going through PMS, you ***** and ***** and have a plug in your ass with a hive iof bees trapped inside
Seems to me, that you like to ***** about commies and you are being pretty simple minded to assume that all communists believe in the slogans you just produced.

Invading a nation, destroying it in the process and occupying it, in a act of supreme imperialism will never create peace, just as it won't in Iraq. How any Communist can support imperialism in any form, I don't know.

[Urban Rubble]

If he's Jewish why should it matter?

Because he meant to insult him with it. It's not like he was giving a description, you know, "Ya, he's the Jewish guy". He was trying to insult him by pointing ou tthat he's a Jew.

[MiDnIgHtMaRaUdEr]

Originally posted by [email protected] 22 2004, 03:32 AM

Hmmm which is better....Islamic fundamentalism or Judeo-Christian fundamentalism? The only way I could ever imagine peace in Isreal is for the entire Israeli/Palestinian government to get steamrolled by a hard-line Stalinist style dictatorship (most likely by a foriegn occupation). Surpress the ethnic conflict (force desegregated communities and implement strict affermative action policies in every aspect of life), torch all the synagoges, mosques, or anything else of religious significance (historic or not), ban all religious symbols and references, execute all high ranking religious and national leaders, and nationalize the entire economy. It won't be pretty, but if you want peace, then that's the only way to get the job done. I don't support these extreme measures for everywhere, but Isreal is a special case.

Your talking about abolishing religion in the ”HOLY LAND”? What you’re

talking about is massive genocide and are pretty much playing right into the stereotype he was aiming at with the sub-title of this thread, “You guys actually seem right wing.” How many right wingers have you heard say similar crap like, “We should destroy everything in Iraq/Palestine, raise the American flag and make it all parking lot and strip malls.” Your post is just fucking disgusting!
Well, I don't exactly call that genocide. You don't need to kill the people to kill the religion (in most cases). Ideally, I would like to see the HOLY taken out of the "HOLY LAND", but barring that, I think a non-interventionist policy would seem the most shrewd course of action, with perhaps a subtle propaganda campaign, and perhaps a few unexplainable explosions occuring around "holy sites" to stir things up in our favor, and of course, being the good guys that we are, we let anyone who wants out of that hellhole to come into our glorious socialist paradise.

[Urban Rubble]

You do not live in the real world. Your fantasy world would be a chaos ridden shithole. Nobody would support your authoritarian bullshit and you would be forced to excecute hundreds of thousands of "counter revolutionaries", just like your heroes.

By the way, when are you going to come out of the closet and admit that you admire Stalin ?

[Loknar]

Originally posted by [email protected] 22 2004, 09:40 AM

Seems to me, that you like to ***** about commies and you are being pretty simple minded to assume that all communists believe in the slogans you just produced.

Invading a nation, destroying it in the process and occupying it, in a act of supreme imperialism will never create peace, just as it won't in Iraq. How any Communist can support imperialism in any form, I don't know.
imperialism booo hoo, name me a time that it hasnt happened. Lets talk about the SU destroying the Ukrainian government....

[Soul Rebel]

Senora, please don't make the mistake of being the type of leftist who is outraged at Israel's crimes yet doesn't see the Palestinian's crimes. Your statement could very easily be reversed to say "By supporting Palestine you are supporting terrorism, suicide bombings and Palestinians raping Jewish women (which has happened).

I never said that i was only outraged by Israel's crimes, Im not blind to what the people of Palestine are doing too. Im outraged by what both peoples are doing. I also see the suffering that people of both sides are going through and i find it very sad. Its hurtful in a way- to see people killing each other this way. However, I will be honest, I do throw more support towards Palestine because Israel has the support of the US and that scares me. I dont think it is fair that our government has taken this stance because it only makes matters worse.

Also, please don't act like all Israelis support these actions. Many Israeli soldiers simply want peace. Many of them hold the view that they are the ones being attacked, and rightly so. Israel hasn't exactly gotten a warm reception in the Middle East, and no matter what you say, they have as much right to be there as Palestinians do. Not that I am supporting Israels attrocities, just please don't act like this issue is so one sided. It isn't.

I didnt say in my post anything about all Isrelis supporting these actions, so please dont put words in my mouth. All i was saying was that not supporting these actions did not make a person a self-hating jew.

[Guest1]

Originally posted by [email protected] 23 2004, 01:07 AM
I never said that i was only outraged by Israel's crimes, Im not blind to what the people of Palestine are doing too. Im outraged by what both peoples are doing. I also see the suffering that people of both sides are going through and i find it very sad. Its hurtful in a way- to see people killing each other this way.
The peoples are doing nothing. It is their leaders that are continuing the war and bloodshed because only in a state of fear can war leaders with no care for human rights and social issues be elected.

It is for this reason that Sharon, knowing full well he is opening the gates of hell, ordered the political leader of Hamas murdered. Think what would happen if the Loyalists murdered some Sinn Fein leaders to get at the IRA and multiply it by one hundred.

It is for this same reason that people like Arafat turn a blind eye when the Al-Aqsa Martyr's Brigade goes out and targets innocent civilians, knowing full well it will lead to helicopter attacks on the Palestinian people.

Do not blame these two peoples, blame the leaders working for their own interests.

As for MM, your solution is disturbing, even though I agree religion is one of the problems. There's a much simpler solution to that problem though, a secular, democratic state for two peoples.

[MiDnIgHtMaRaUdEr]

I think that secular and democratic are opposites in the middle east... anyways, I think that drastic action needs to be taken to suppress the thousands of years of religious/ethnic tension there.

[Vinny Rafarino]

Enjoy your selves sometime,. Do something aside from what Louis Faracon would have you do


Why is it that no matter the issue, some back-woods cracker has to toss out Louis Farrakhan? Dig it, silly little white boy, The NOI and true muslims have nothing in common besides a severe delusion of divinity.

[STI]

imperialism booo hoo, name me a time that it hasnt happened. Lets talk about the SU destroying the Ukrainian government....

I don't know where you've been the last... however long you've been here, but the majority of 'communist' members here do NOT support the USSR. The USSR wasn't actually communist anyway.

And just because it 'has always happened' (which it hasn't... the Neolithic and pre- Neolithic periods) doesn't mean it's right. Argumentum ad Antiquitem.

[Urban Rubble]

I don't know where you've been the last... however long you've been here, but the majority of 'communist' members here do NOT support the USSR. The USSR wasn't actually communist anyway.

I don't know how long you've been here (wait, yes I do, it's right there in your profile), but a hell of alot do.

Also, the SU is no longer a country, supported is the word you are looking for.

[Comrade Zeke]

To Loknar:Who are you anyway??? I don't even recalm you being here ever and if you were then you were probaly on of the spammers who interupted in one of my dabates on Tito or Democratic Socialism or something.....I don't know. Your wrong about all Communists being the same because the morjority of the people of this board have difrent views on how Socacilism should be run:Alot of them are Marxists-Lennists and Utopic Communists,Some are Castrosits,some are Troyskists,many of the lunitc ones are Stalinists,some are Maoists,a small few are Anarcists. I comrade Zeke is the only one who is a Titoist but at least I fallow some Leftist form of goverment...you your just a really narrow minded right wing man. So don' t think all Leftist movements are the same.......you think that then you go against Socailism,Communism,Greens,Labor Unions,Gay right activists,Democrates,Socail Democrates and many others!

To:MiDnIgHtMaRaUdEr
you can't destory one thousand year old religions! You are twisted man....plus if you destroyed all the churches then all the anceint Pagan sites in Iseral will be destoyed to. All the old Semtic Sun gods such as Baal will be lost forever! I got news for you, your Stalin state anit going to happen. Why don't you choose some other Left movemrnet besides the mass slaughter of the Russian people? :angry:

[Maynard]

imperialism booo hoo, name me a time that it hasnt happened. Lets talk about the SU destroying the Ukrainian government....
Socialist Tiger pretty much covered this, it's a mistaken to assume that I support the Soviet Unions actions. Imperialism is wrong no matter which ideology it is done in the name off. Just because everyone does it, doesn't mean it's justifiable or right in any way.

MiDnIgHtMaRaUdEr's plan, I believe would cause utter chaos and I believe a World War , as the religious sites in Israel and Palestine, are important to Christianity, Islam and Judaism. Any state that tries to destroy these sites will most likely have to fight Arab armies, The Israeli army and most likely NATO forces. People won't just stop being religious because religious sites are destroyed, it will most likely strengthen there beliefs.

Anyhow, 28 % of Palestinians favour a one state solution, whether it's called Israel or Palestine, the next step I believe with Israel's actions, is that a two state solution will be abandoned and Palestinians will demand a vote in this one state, with them being the majority, they should have control of this one state in a one person one vote situation. I think that's what will eventually happen if Israel keeps up with it's current policies

[Guest1]

Originally posted by Urban [email protected] 23 2004, 10:45 PM

I don't know where you've been the last... however long you've been here, but the majority of 'communist' members here do NOT support the USSR. The USSR wasn't actually communist anyway.

I don't know how long you've been here (wait, yes I do, it's right there in your profile), but a hell of alot do.

Also, the SU is no longer a country, supported is the word you are looking for.
Dammit Urban, most never supported it and you know it.

[Urban Rubble]

Well, most members of this board were todlers or infants when the SU was around, but that's beside the point.

I think alot of people on this board supported the Soviets, perhaps in varying degrees, but still, I'd say it's about half and half.

[BOZG]

Jesus the state caps have come crawling out of the woodwork.

UNCONDITIONAL, CRITICAL MILITARY DEFENSE OF THE SOVIET UNION =D

[MiDnIgHtMaRaUdEr]

Originally posted by Comrade [email protected] 24 2004, 05:19 AM
To:MiDnIgHtMaRaUdEr
you can't destory one thousand year old religions! You are twisted man....plus if you destroyed all the churches then all the anceint Pagan sites in Iseral will be destoyed to. All the old Semtic Sun gods such as Baal will be lost forever! I got news for you, your Stalin state anit going to happen. Why don't you choose some other Left movemrnet besides the mass slaughter of the Russian people? :angry:
Sure you can. Destroying the "sun gods" makes it even better!


MiDnIgHtMaRaUdEr's plan, I believe would cause utter chaos and I believe a World War , as the religious sites in Israel and Palestine, are important to Christianity, Islam and Judaism. Any state that tries to destroy these sites will most likely have to fight Arab armies, The Israeli army and most likely NATO forces. People won't just stop being religious because religious sites are destroyed, it will most likely strengthen there beliefs.

Well, I am not a fan of picking fights that I can't win, so barring crushing the corrupt fundamentalist governments in the middle east, I encourage people to leave and follow a strict non-interventionist policy. Just sit back and watch the fundamentalists blow the hell out of each other.

[Lefty]

AmericanZionist-
I think you need to distinguish between the wackjob fucks that support suicide bombings against Israeli civilians and don't want peace and those that support Palestine in the context of a people revolting against oppressors. I'm not down with killing innocent civilians. I am, however, down with killing Israeli soldiers because they are oppressing the innocent Palestinians. Do you see the difference?