Who is Marx?

[Neelie The Great]

I dun know much about that stuff

[VukBZ2005]

Karl Marx written "Das Kapital" and the famous "Communist Manifesto"
with Fredrick Engels - Which turned Socialism into a science of Some Sorts.
you should research Karl Marx some more and read his writings...

[Individual]

Comradeneonate should have a hayday with this one.

Here (http://www.che-lives.com/forum/index.php?act=ST&f=8&t=21439) is a rundown of important people in relation to Marxism, Communism, Socialism, and Anarchism. Scroll down and you shall find a brief explanation of Marx and Engels. ;)

[SittingBull47]

neelie, where are you from and how old are you? I've seen a couple of your posts before...just curious.

[Hiero]

Damn right i will, simply go to www.google.com, or anyway encylopedia website or book they will have haeaps of shit on one of the omst influential men of the 19th century.

[Individual]

Neonate. Goto Common-sense.com to find out what right and left wing politics are.

Goto Your-an-ignorant-prick.com to find out that people are permitted to not know every little aspect of communism.

Goto your-not-god.com to realize there are an infinite number of things that you do not know. Are you better because you just happen to know who Karl Marx is?

Then try google.com, and help this person out by posting it yourself.

By the way. Neonate; what was Karl Marx' favorite pair of pants? What you don't know? Geez-us, well your supposed to know everything about communism. You better use google.com, or get the hell off Che-Lives. ;)

[Neelie The Great]

Originally posted by [email protected] 22 2004, 01:17 AM
neelie, where are you from and how old are you? I've seen a couple of your posts before...just curious.
Iam 14 and Iam form New York

[SittingBull47]

ok then nevermind. I guess you really are just a beginner in all this stuff.

[VukBZ2005]

I'm 14 too, but i believe in Communism...

[ComradeRed]

this guy: :marx:
seriously this is the info:
Karl Marx was born on May 5, 1818 in the city of Trier, Germany. Marx was a revolutionary who advocated "merciless criticism of everything existing" and was the co-originator of the theories of "Communism."

In the autumn of 1843, Marx went to Paris in order to publish a radical journal. It was in Paris in September, 1844 where he first met life-long friend and associate Frederick Engels. Marx and Engels were both active in various revolutionary groups and together worked out the theory and tactics of "Revolutionary Proletarian Socialism" or "Communism."

Marx was banished from Paris in 1845 as a dangerous revolutionary. He went to Brussels, Belgium. In the spring of 1847 Marx, along with Engels, joined a secret society called the "Communist League." At the league's request they authored the " Communist Manifesto," which outlines the theory of the class struggle, and of the revolutionary role of the proletariat. Due to his revolutionary activities, Marx was banished from Belgium in February 1848, finally ending up in London in 1849 where he lived until his death.

In 1864 the "International Working Men's Association" was founded in London. Marx was a central figure in the new organization, and author of its first statement, and a host of resolutions, declarations and manifestos. His health was undermined by his strenuous work for "International." The first volume of "Das Kapital," Marx's most important work, appeared in 1867. Ultimately ill-health prevented him from completing two other volumes.

On March 14 1883 Marx passed away peacefully in his armchair. He lies buried at Highgate Cemetery in London.

[Wenty]

Marx didn't invent communism, it can seen in various forms before him dating back to even Plato's Republic.

[Comrade Zeke]

hahahahahahahah I am sorry.......but if you joined a Communist board then you got to know who Marx is! lol
I am 14 and I have already read all the works of Marx,Mao,and Che Guevara. :D

[Individual]

hahahahahahahah I am sorry.......but if you joined a Communist board then you got to know who Marx is! lol

:blink:

Why? What is it with you guys?

Did you know how to talk when you were born? Did you know how to drive a car the first time you actually rode in one? Did you know everything about American politics the first time your parents talked about voting? Did you know how to tie your shoe the first time you put one on? Did you know how to properly type on a keyboard the first time you layed your hands on one? Could you read a book with post-graduate highschool vocabulary when you first learned to read? Did you know how to multiply numbers on your first day of kindergarten? Hell no!

So don't give me this crap about how you are some expert on communism CZ. Everyone is constantly learning. So Neelie might not have the knowledge of communism that you have, however you do not have anywhere near a full understanding, nor do I. How can you blame someone for having the curiousity to learn? Is communism only for you, and members that have already been here? Are we not allowed to teach communism to more people?

Neelie obviously came here to learn, and you want to deprive that? Are you kidding me? I learn from the discussions that take place here, why can't Neelie, or any other member for that matter, come here to learn? Why should someone have to know all the important figures of Marxism before posting on Che-Lives? I don't see the rule, do you?


I am 14 and I have already read all the works of Marx,Mao,and Che Guevara.

Well toot my horn. :wacko:

Did you read all of the works of Marx, Mao, and Che 5 years ago? Is 14 the cut-off age of knowledge? Must you learn everything about communism by the time you reach 14 in order to further your knowledge and understanding? Or is this ComradeZekes rule, because only you should be able to further your learning at 14? I hate to say it, but grow up.

Neelie-Don't let this bug you. I can personally guarentee that any member that is speaking out against you have been in your position when they first joined. Whether or not they knew a general knowledge of communism, we have all learned while being here. Otherwise, why else would we be here?

Take it easy, learn at a pace in which suits yourself; and keep up your posting! You shall find Communism a very worthy subject of your time! We are all learning, so don't let these 'they-think-their-god' members get you down. ;)

[Ian]

Hey Nathan I fixed your spelling mate, it wasn't bad or anything... but I think you suck at spelling...

[Hiero]

Im so sooooooooorryyyyyy if i offended Neelie by telling him/her to go and read some ground work so they can have more of a idea of what we are talking. So ill stick with my advice which wasnt harsh, or impleying that i know more then he does.

Alwaysquestion if you want you can baby feed the newbies if you want and make sure they feel comftable.

[redstar2000]

I am 14 and I have already read all the works of Marx, Mao,and Che Guevara. :D

All three volumes of Capital? And Theories of Surplus Value?

As I recall, the Selected Works of Mao that have been translated into English fill five thick books...you're read all those too?

And you are 14?

I find that scarcely credible.

:redstar2000:

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[BOZG]

Comrade Zeke,

You could probably search for your entire life for someone who's read every writing of Che, Mao and Marx and I wouldn't be suprised if you couldn't find one.


RedStar,

Just wondering. Have you read the 3 volumes of Das Kapital?

[redstar2000]

RedStar,

Just wondering. Have you read the 3 volumes of Das Kapital?

Afraid not...though I've "sampled" all three as well as Theories of Surplus Value (sometimes referred to as the "4th volume" of Capital).

As you probably know, only the first volume was actually completed by Marx himself; Engels put together the 2nd and 3rd volumes from Marx's notes, and Kautsky edited Theories of Surplus Value -- also from Marx's notes.

There are several things that make these texts very difficult for the modern reader. They were all written in 19th century German (with numerous Hegelian flourishes) and translated into Victorian English. A huge portion of the books consists of 19th century statistical evidence and lengthy excerpts from 18th and 19th century economists.

Perhaps sometime later in this century, a young scholar will extensively re-write these books in modern language, with contemporary evidence, etc.

That would be a very useful thing to do.

:redstar2000:

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[BOZG]

You'd also want a basis in economics before reading it for beginners.

As for hoping a young scholar would re-write them, it's a brilliant idea but he wouldn't be young by the time he got through it all =D

[Pedro Alonso Lopez]

Re-writing would be a good idea for anybody with the aim of a Phd in economics, a short version that is then a life dedicated to it.

Stephen I have a mission for you...it involves a few books by some guy called Karl, you got a few years spare? ;)

[Dune Dx]

Ive read all bla bla bla and Im only 14
U sad freak do you have any social life!!!!!!!!!

Not that i can talk as ever since I found this site 4 days ago Ive been on it all the time.
But still sad!!!!!

and who said about baby feeding newbs
because you should talk to newbs the most! learning communism from other peopl is a whole lot better than out of a book

Ive got some quotes of Marx in my sig if you want to look!!!!

[STI]

Perhaps sometime later in this century, a young scholar will extensively re-write these books in modern language, with contemporary evidence, etc.


I shall be that young scholar whatnot fellow. Here's what I've got so far:


The shizzle exchange- vizzal is depizzle on the shizzle with my nizzles and the hizzle lizzle embizzle withizzle it. So shizzle, the bourgoisizzle economizzles are all fizzled in their hizzle becizzle they dizzle thizzle that Mizzle was rizzle. The lizzle thizzle of vizzle is the shizzle, nizzle. So thizzle. Four pizzles of gizzle are wizzle the sizzle as tizzle yizzles of linizzle becizzle they embizzle the sizzle amizzle of hizzle lizzle. Shizzle.

What do you think? :P

[Individual]

To throw another log on the CZ fire...

Check the links CZ, maybe you might let up on the "newbies" (as you superior members with a little over 100 posts would call them).

" IF COMMUNSIM ALLOWED OTHER PARTIES TO BE IN ITS GOVERMENT " (http://www.che-lives.com/forum/index.php?act=ST&f=4&t=20823&st=0&#entry326393)

You read how many communist books again? I can tell with this post. ;) (http://www.che-lives.com/forum/index.php?act=ST&f=8&t=21070&st=0&#entry329712)

" I dont know i just started to study Communism and it is very cool. Thank you " (http://www.che-lives.com/forum/index.php?act=ST&f=3&t=19611&st=20&#entry326381)

" I wanted the South to win even though they had slaves!!! " (http://www.che-lives.com/forum/index.php?act=ST&f=5&t=19657&st=20&#entry328699)

" Socialism is like Sweden or Denmark. Communism is like U.S.S.R and Cuba and China " (http://www.che-lives.com/forum/index.php?act=ST&f=6&t=20521&st=20&#entry328227)

:blink: :blink:

Not to single you out. However think before you speak. Whether or not you came to Che-Lives asking simple questions, you sure as hell didn't have a solid grasp yourself. ;)

Let up. We are all learning.

[yoshim]

yeah let up on the newbs we are still learning. :(

(Spam)

[Wenty]

Just because you are new doesn't mean you do not know anything. It just means you are new to the board.

[dark fairy]

marx was a great, intelectual man. unfortunately he wasn't alive to see what his thought brought up...but it's not like there wasn't a lot to be ashamed of... but for the most part he was very smart and intelligent he did a lot of research... i am a bit surprised you didn't know who he was but, i was almost 14 when i started looking into him.

[Comrade Zeke]

OK I AM SORRY I SAID THAT EAILER TO NEELIE MY MISTAKE! And I AM NOT A COMPUTAR NERD IF THAT iS WHAT YOUR THINKING...........

BUT I am saying that why would you sign up for a board about Leftist polotics if you don't know who Che Guevara is??? I am just curious how would you find it even if you don't know who the guy was. I was so intrested in Communism that I was looking all over for a Che Guevara site...

I AM SO VERY SORRY.......NEELIE I AM AS MUCH AS A NEWBIE AS YOU. Here is the books I recomend....Basic reading material......"Communist Manefestio,Che's book on revolution.Mao's book on revolution,The Russian revolution also called the October Revolution. Also here are some prominate authors who were Pro Socailists,Jack Londan,Ernest Heminyway...
Books NOT to read Neelie......Animal Farm and "Can you really trust the Communists?" 1960 propganda.
I am not a Communist myself but I am an expert on Tito and the Yugoslav revolution. I was in a bad mood the night I posted that rude remark.So sorry.

Let me warn you however about some members on this board that arn't the best posters,First off never start and conversation with Red Star. He a looser who sees the world as him and his immediate world of Red Star.He is mean and ill spirited and he is an egotistic manic who wants to proof everyone here that he is right and there wrong. Also watch out for Migfigjhddskjf or whatever his name is A stalinist who wants the world to be all concenatration camps.

The best and most thoughful people on the boards.....Geist,Ortegna,Born of Zaptast Guns or whatever his name is,Dark Fairy,Mia Wallce,and my good friend Comrade Red!

ONCE AGAIN I AM SORRY IF I OFFENDED ANYONE ON THIS BOARD BY MY STUPID REMARK ABOUT NEELIE BEING A NEWBIE WE CAN ALL LEARN SOMETHING NEW. Except Red Star he is a hopeless cause.

All of you have a nice day or night where ever you are... ;)

The Reformist,Revolutionary,Pro Left,Pro Pagan,anti Stalinist, New age liberal Social Democrat,Ireland rules forever and Pro Titoist and his policies,
Your truly Comrade Zeke. :D

[Individual]

Well I will except your understanding.

However did you feel it necessary to go completely off topic and make a personal attack on a member that would knock your socks off in any form of debate?

Also, as I'm sure you feel close to these members that you listed; I'm not exactly sure narrowing yourself out by labelling certain members as 'the best' and 'most thoughtful' was probably in your best judgement.

Despite this, hopefully you can see that expecting new members to know what you consider important aspects of Marxism is a little outrageous. Next time, instead of getting upset, maybe you could help someone out by posting a link to some info or trying to explain it yourself.

[Comrade Zeke]

Hey I was really a Newbie when I posted all that other crap......lol Thanks Aways Question,for showing me that light...I also have to learn to spell beter...I am not so much a Newbie anymore. But thanks. Red Star isn't right though I will bitterly oppose his policies. Sorry to get off the subject. Just had to make a point.

[BuyOurEverything]

The Reformist,Revolutionary,Pro Left,Pro Pagan,anti Stalinist, New age liberal Social Democrat,Ireland rules forever and Pro Titoist and his policies,

Was that supposed to be ironic?


Books NOT to read Neelie......Animal Farm and "Can you really trust the Communists?" 1960 propganda.

Books not to read? If someone is truly a leftist, they should be able to see through capitalist propagandha, especially that of the 1960s. Frankly, I'd reccomend reading as much of it as you can, you can learn alot from it. And contrary to popular belief, Animal Farm is not anti-communist.


The best and most thoughful people on the boards.....Geist,Ortegna,Born of Zaptast Guns or whatever his name is,Dark Fairy,Mia Wallce,and my good friend Comrade Red!

Great list.

[redstar2000]

First off never start and conversation with Red Star. He a looser who sees the world as him and his immediate world of Red Star.He is mean and ill spirited and he is an egotistic manic who wants to proof everyone here that he is right and there wrong.

"First off", let's translate that into English...


First, never start a conversation with Red Star. He is a loser who sees the world as him and his immediate world of Red Star. He is mean and ill spirited, and he is an egotistical maniac who wants to prove to everyone here that he is right and they're wrong.

Not too difficult in CZ's case.

If you would like to see how CZ "thinks", try this thread...

http://www.che-lives.com/forum/index.php?s...=8&t=22778&st=0 (http://www.che-lives.com/forum/index.php?s=&act=ST&f=8&t=22778&st=0)

Poor bastard. :(

:redstar2000:

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[Wenty]

He prays to pagan gods; how anglo-saxon.

[Dune Dx]

i totally agree with Buy oureverything

You should read propaganda its usefull to know what your opponents are quoting from and you need to see the holes (the many gaping holes) in their arguments

[redstar2000]

Originally posted by [email protected] 26 2004, 09:58 AM
He prays to pagan gods; how anglo-saxon.
Actually, I think CZ comes from Macedonia or some place nearby -- where country folk were still sacrificing to Zeus as late as 900CE. :lol:

:redstar2000:

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[Wenty]

I meant thats what anglo-saxons used to do; pray to pagan gods.

[Comrade Zeke]

Whats wrong with worshiping Pagan gods!
At least I worship something Red Star unlike you :(

[Individual]

He's right RedStar. ;)

I worship CZ for his high intelligence level and overall grandoise.

You should really try worshiping something RedStar. :D It really takes intelligence to worship, especially when you are worshiping CZ.

[redstar2000]

Ah yes, worship.

A word with an enormous amount of historical and psychological weight behind it...that describes something that I've never felt and can't even imagine.

To me, it's literal meaning is grovel or self-degradation or abasement. It positively stinks of servility.

The public ass-kisser is universally reviled and we feel ashamed of ourselves when we do it...even for the most urgent and pressing of reasons.

(Confession: when stopped by cops, I grovel...even though it disgusts me. Why? They have the guns and I don't -- if the situation should ever be reversed, my reactions will be very different.)

But what is "worship" if not "celestial ass-kissing"?
Groveling for the sake of groveling itself. :o

Why would any sane and self-respecting human being ever want to do such a wretched thing?

Beats the hell out of me!

:redstar2000:

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[Comrade Zeke]

Shut up...this isn't memory lane. We don't have to hear about your past experinces of groveling before cops.
Pathetic :lol:

[ComradeRed]

Comrade Zeke, u r gonna get restricted.

[Comrade Zeke]

How I am going to get restircted lol I havn't said anything really and I am not going to. Don't worry besides Malte is a cool guy
Sorry if I said anything to bad
Zeke lets get back to helping this newbie and the debate