Anti-Serbian ethnical cleanings in Kosovo!

[General A.A.Vlasov]

KA:
You're all not bling or deaf, you've seen and heard everething!

More, than 30 Serbs been killed by albans. Around 300 Serbs are expeled from their houses! (~200 of them are imprisoned)

~7 OLD churches been burnt!!!

WTF is it!?!?!?!?!?!?!? :angry: :angry: :angry:
This is ethnical cleanings!!! yankee and the rest of UN forces can't stop them!
UN and yankee is not letting Serbian forces to restore the order around Serbian "reservations"!!!

yankee and UN are doom tens of Serbs to death!!! :angry:

[General A.A.Vlasov]

As I expected - only Russia helped Serbian refugees in Kosovo!!!
Even Red Cross refused to help!

NOBODY IN EUROPE NEEDS SERBS!!! ONLY RUSSIAN BROTHERS CAN HELP THEM!!!

4 plains with humanitarian help are already arrived (2 of them are from "United Russia" - pro-president's party, 2 from govt), 2 will come soon...

[Invader Zim]

yeah its sad... really. even more sad is the thousands the serbs killed.

[The Feral Underclass]

First of all, don't make such racist distinctions when offending people. Saying Albanian bastards is racist and very naive. Secondly the Serbian nation and people have repressed Kosovans and Kosovo for decades useing brute force, murder, torture and ethnic cleansing. This wave of violence against Serbs, although I dont condone it, I can understand it.

The situation in Kosovo is not black and white. You can not blame oppressed people for venting their frustration against their oppressors. You could not blame black slaves from revolting against their white owners and murdering them and their families. Although disgusting, after being beaten down for so long, this kind of violence is engraved in their minds. Open uyp you mind a little bit.

[General A.A.Vlasov]

The Anarchist Tension...

...saying "albanian bastards" is racist and very naive.

Ok, then listen:
"The bus with journalists of 1st(Rus) channel went to Kosovo to ask albans "why they can't live in peace with already defeated Serbs?"...they asked it is several towns...BUT when they was going to leave albanian region they were showered by stones!!! 2 journalists was wounded!!!

THEY ARE nationalists and racists!!! They hate both nations - Serbs and Russians!

You can not blame oppressed people for venting their frustration against their oppressors
Then tell me - who is the opressor NOW?
Innocent Serbs? - NO!
Damn albans? - YES!!!

You could not blame black slaves from revolting against their white owners and murdering them and their families
Are you blind!? I didn't said anything about this!

***

6 heavy trucks and 1 plane today arrived to Belgrad with humanitarian help!

NOBODY EALSE, BUT RUSSIAN BROTHERS WILL HELP SERBS!!!

[Comrade Hector]

Vlasov, you are right about the way the Albanian Mujahideen thugs are cleansing Kosovo of the Serbian population, as this is their intention. Yes, they do it right under the supervision of the US/UN/NATO imperialists. However, blaming the entire Albanian population of Kosovo for the actions of the Mujahideen, and calling them "Albanian bastards" is naive and about all racist. Unlike many here I don't go with the whole "poor little Kosovo" mentality, and I do praise Slobodan Milosevic for attacking the KLA along with resisting NATO. Milosevic is not in anyway anti-Albanian, he had no intentions of expelling the Ethnic Albanians unlike other Serb Chetnik extremists. I don't know about now, but under Milosevic minorities in Yugoslavia had much more rights than minorities in the USA. There are many Albanians who fall victims to these pro-NATO thugs for their desire to live peacefully with the Serb population, and oppose Kosovo's secession to Albania. So it is absurd to hate all Albanians for the actions of a few Mujas. Don't think that Russia will be any real help, Vlasov. What was Boris Yeltsin doing when the NATO imperialists attacked Yugoslavia? He just sat on his fat ass drinking vodka, while ranting about how wrong NATO is, but making no real effort to defend Serbia.

[MiDnIgHtMaRaUdEr]

Originally posted by General [email protected] 31 2004, 03:11 AM
The Anarchist Tension...

...saying "albanian bastards" is racist and very naive.

Ok, then listen:
"The bus with journalists of 1st(Rus) channel went to Kosovo to ask albans "why they can't live in peace with already defeated Serbs?"...they asked it is several towns...BUT when they was going to leave albanian region they were showered by stones!!! 2 journalists was wounded!!!

THEY ARE nationalists and racists!!! They hate both nations - Serbs and Russians!

You can not blame oppressed people for venting their frustration against their oppressors
Then tell me - who is the opressor NOW?
Innocent Serbs? - NO!
Damn albans? - YES!!!

You could not blame black slaves from revolting against their white owners and murdering them and their families
Are you blind!? I didn't said anything about this!

***

6 heavy trucks and 1 plane today arrived to Belgrad with humanitarian help!

NOBODY EALSE, BUT RUSSIAN BROTHERS WILL HELP SERBS!!!
Wait, you aren't really fascist, since you aren't REALLY racist... Sounds like that National Bolshevik party that we were talking about earlier is for you...

[Dirty Commie]

Vlasov, you can't blame the entire population of Albania for some paramilitary attacks. That is the same logic the usa used to bomb Afghanistan, we did kill many members of al-Qaida, but about 3500 civilains died in ther process.

[Saint-Just]

The national chauvanism of Putin and people like Vlasov is very simple and very much logical. Serbians are superior to Albanians and so, to Serbians, the death and suffering of Albanians is insignificant as all Albanians are guilty of racial and cultural inferiority.

[General A.A.Vlasov]

KA:
Few paramilitares!? No! Whole male albanian population participated that cleanings!!! :angry:

Comrade Hector...Don't think that Russia will be any real help, Vlasov.
KA is speaking. What do you mean by saying "real" help!?

What was Boris Yeltsin doing when the NATO imperialists attacked Yugoslavia? He just sat on his fat ass drinking vodka, while ranting about how wrong NATO is, but making no real effort to defend Serbia.

eltsin was a fat motherfucker! I hate him! :angry:
But one our general (who helps defence minister) moved our forces quickly from Bosnia to...I don't remember the name of thet strategical airport. To protect Serbs and that object!...as you know we had to move away our forces last year...because we didn't participated bombings of Yugoslavia...

MiDnIgHtMaRaUdEr...sounds STUPID!!!

Chairman Mao...I didn&#39;t understood you... <_<

[commie kg]

Andrey, just stop putting "KA" at the beginning of your posts. I think we all know that this is your account, not someone elses that you are borrowing.


Few paramilitares&#33;? No&#33; Whole male albanian population participated that cleanings&#33;&#33;&#33;

Yeah, Andrey. All of them. Every last Albanian male just started killing Serbs.

[Loknar]

You cant trust the UN to protect civilians. That are a bunch of weak asses. anyway, the serbs arent innocent, Milosovic is on trial.

[sh0cker]

This is clear situation of cleansing, they are trying to present that Albanians are who suffer.. How?
America sent Milosevic to trial 3 years ago, and did they even moved from the begining? NO, they can&#39;t prove anything about him.
Which means, that they weren&#39;t even suffering, for what they claim Serbs, if they did, they could easily charge Milosevic as a president of tate by that time.
And was bombing aproved because of this?
How many civilians died, and all demage which they brought with bombing?
Nothing can prove them to attack, but simply they are power, and people from outside support them.
After NATO bombing Albanians are constantly doing cleansing, and it is not just mujahedins, it is all of them.
KLA had 20 000 people in its army, are they all mujahedins? NO
They are nothing but used from narco-cartles all aorund the world.
It is done so that they can smuggle drogs easily from Turkey, ad it is obvious.
And again Serbs are quilty?
Now there are not Serbs on Kosovo.. And what will they do about it? Nothing.

This is tipical bastards politics, people are suffering for nothing.
Albanians burned churches which are older then their nationality and country&#33;
Some of them from 14 century&#33;&#33;&#33;

[General A.A.Vlasov]

commie kg...are you still thinking, that we are the same 1 man&#33;? If you do, then you&#39;re an idiot&#33;
The reason, why I&#39;m not posting from myself - is my bad english&#33; I&#39;m saing smtn. to KA and he translates and writes posts from me. And in last period of time I&#39;m not posting because our opinions (on Chechnya, Kosovo, Iraq) are same&#33; And KA writes our general point of view&#33;

KA:
And this is true&#33;

Well now...

Loknar...yes&#33; Only French "peacekeepers" are doing smtn. to protect Serbs.
Italian, us, british forces are DAMN pro-cleanings BASTARDS&#33;&#33;&#33; :angry:

Yes, Miloshevich is not angel...but was it innocent Serbs fault&#33;?
And in Haague he&#39;s been judged for Bosnia, not for Kosovo&#33; But tell me - where are croatian and musulman war criminals&#33;? They are free&#33; No one is searching for them&#33; :angry:

[commie kg]

Originally posted by General [email protected] 7 2004, 11:15 PM
commie kg...are you still thinking, that we are the same 1 man&#33;? If you do, then you&#39;re an idiot&#33;
The reason, why I&#39;m not posting from myself - is my bad english&#33; I&#39;m saing smtn. to KA and he translates and writes posts from me. And in last period of time I&#39;m not posting because our opinions (on Chechnya, Kosovo, Iraq) are same&#33; And KA writes our general point of view&#33;

I don&#39;t believe you. But nevermind that...

Aren&#39;t the Serbs the ones who attacked Kosovo to take revenge for a battle they lost in the 11th century or something?

[sh0cker]

First of all, you don&#39;t have any idea about history.

You are talking about 14 century and big battle with Turkey on Kosovo?

Just to remaind that before Turkey came on Balkan Albania did NOT exist. So they could not take revange for that. What you are saying is a non-sence.

[General A.A.Vlasov]

commie kg...yea...your history is BAD&#33;&#33;&#33; <_<

[commie kg]

Originally posted by [email protected] 8 2004, 12:40 PM
First of all, you don&#39;t have any idea about history.

You are talking about 14 century and big battle with Turkey on Kosovo?

Just to remaind that before Turkey came on Balkan Albania did NOT exist. So they could not take revange for that. What you are saying is a non-sence.
Sorry for not spending my time buried in Balkan history books. I have to work most of the time, you know. :rolleyes:

The Serbs are not innocent. Saying that they are innocent victims in the Balkans is BS. The Serbs have ALWAYS been the powerhouse of the Balkans, they are in the position to be the agressors alot more than the Albanians are. But the Albanians aren&#39;t innocent either.

But being Slavic nationalists, you will probably never see through your blind hate. I am from a Yugoslav immigrant family, and you make me sick.

[sh0cker]

Look, first of all if you don&#39;t know your history it says a lot about you and specially about your family. But some other time about that.

I havn&#39;t seen that during history any one said Serbs have been innocent always.

Totally, different.. This is topic about this particular happening..

Serbs have been putted under control of UN.. And Albanians were able to burn houses and churches, kill people and do ethnic cleansing&#33;
During all that time Serbian and Montenegrin army was not able to do anything. And they have offered, and this is not stoped. Opposite again, it is still hapening but it seems it is not big enough to be shown on CNN or BBC. And it was happening since 1999..

Look, where have you see that I am blame, can you bring me that evidence, where I said some thing wrong, or too nationalist?

And after all, who was power house during history you can&#39;t say when you don&#39;t even know history of Balkan?

I am very glad that I make you sick, because after all I have said if I make you sick then you don&#39;t deserve to be with me (to share my oppinion)..

[commie kg]

Originally posted by [email protected] 10 2004, 01:28 PM
Look, first of all if you don&#39;t know your history it says a lot about you and specially about your family. But some other time about that.

What, reading about the history of my dead ancestors will make me know where my allegiances lie, make me one of you? Maybe I shouldn&#39;t read any... But I already did. My Native Land by Louis Adamic.

Your statement seethes Slavic nationalism. Suggesting that I should be loyal to the side that I was born into?


Serbs have been putted under control of UN.. And Albanians were able to burn houses and churches, kill people and do ethnic cleansing&#33;

Wasn&#39;t it three Albanian kids who were recently killed in Kosovo by Serbs, and the recent violence was a backlash of revenge from some Albanian paramilitary groups? I don&#39;t care that some churches were burned. I care that people died, but it seems that neither side will ever stop killing each other.


And after all, who was power house during history you can&#39;t say when you don&#39;t even know history of Balkan?

Because it&#39;s pretty common knowledge. Comparing the historical might of Serbia to Albania or Croatia, Serbia has always been more powerful. Most of the time, the others weren&#39;t even independent&#33;

[Komit]

hey commie kg why don&#39;t you &*%^ the %^*& up huh ??? you have no idea what is going on on the Balkans.Don&#39;t you talk to me about albanians cause you probably haven&#39;t met one cause if you had you wouldn&#39;t BS the way you are.I lived through the war in Serbia-Kosovo i lived through the war in my own country (Macedonia) but no one ever happens to talk about it,never mind.They were doing the same thing in my country what they did and are doing in Kosovo right now.They are filthy degenerated scumbags, i would kill one as soon as a meet him because after you have seen what they have did to our people (Macedonians,Serbians) you would know what i am talking about.It&#39;s not only the Mujahadins it&#39;s the whole &^*&#036;% race of theirs,it&#39;s in their genes,they should be exterminated from the face of this earth,you don&#39;t know that but people who live there know that very well.No one gives a shit about what&#39;s going on in Kosovo and Macedonia and no one tries to help our people because they don&#39;t want to,there&#39;s nothing in it for them.Don&#39;t you see what has been going on,the only Orthodox people left on this earth are greeks,macedonians,serbs,bulgarians,moldavians and russians.USA-NATO supports albanians in what they&#39;re doing because they want to shake the situation on the balkans and they&#39;re succeeding in that,it&#39;s the centre of prostitution,drugs and every kind of kuruption and it&#39;s all controled by the Albanians.Why do you think the russians are the only ones who want to help us because they&#39;re our people,they are the only ones that care about us.I can talk a lot about many things that are going on there but i can&#39;t be bothered.

[commie kg]

I understand they have done bad things. So have you guys.

And I&#39;m sorry that you&#39;ve been raised as such a nationalist and racist. I bet you&#39;re really fanatical about Orthodoxy as well.

[abigratsass]

BASTARD MUJAHDDIN&#33;&#33;comrade blah blah sorry i cant remember your name but dont refer to my people as bastards first og all and this doen no t qualify as jihad at all.....if you want to know what your talkin about then i suggest you do some reading or if you want ill explain it to you..&#33;&#33;
and the other guy that started this disscusion oyu sound really sad and ignorant and i dont think i will bother to actually answer you &#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;
oh and my the way you a RASCIST IGNORANT MY DEAR&#33;&#33;&#33;
p.s were you some sort of war lord or generale or something?

just curious......

[sh0cker]

Originally posted by commie kg+Apr 11 2004, 06:23 AM--> (commie kg @ Apr 11 2004, 06:23 AM)
[email protected] 10 2004, 01:28 PM
Look, first of all if you don&#39;t know your history it says a lot about you and specially about your family. But some other time about that.

What, reading about the history of my dead ancestors will make me know where my allegiances lie, make me one of you? Maybe I shouldn&#39;t read any... But I already did. My Native Land by Louis Adamic.

Your statement seethes Slavic nationalism. Suggesting that I should be loyal to the side that I was born into?


Serbs have been putted under control of UN.. And Albanians were able to burn houses and churches, kill people and do ethnic cleansing&#33;

Wasn&#39;t it three Albanian kids who were recently killed in Kosovo by Serbs, and the recent violence was a backlash of revenge from some Albanian paramilitary groups? I don&#39;t care that some churches were burned. I care that people died, but it seems that neither side will ever stop killing each other.


And after all, who was power house during history you can&#39;t say when you don&#39;t even know history of Balkan?

Because it&#39;s pretty common knowledge. Comparing the historical might of Serbia to Albania or Croatia, Serbia has always been more powerful. Most of the time, the others weren&#39;t even independent&#33; [/b]
Look, if you go in some discussion please inform yourself a little bit more than you are now.

You are talking about three kids?
First of all even people from EU said on TV that it was made by Albanians.
And just as a prove, do you think whole Kosovo can get up, with guns to protest against that and do ethnic cleansing, because of three kids.

Where are 3000 Serbs who disapeared after NATO bombarding?
So Serb attack should be 1000 times stronger, to destroy them, or what?

Orthodoxy fantical???

Are you normal, do you know that just in 3 days they have burned around 40 churches, mostly from 14, 15 and 16 century, do you know that they were older than Albanian nation, and under protect of UNESCO.
Now I became fanatical because they have burned places where I pray?

Ethnic cleansing and destroying everything left by Serbs, now make me Orthodoxy fantacal?

Do you read your posts, you said you care about death people, I think you read Serbian, do you want me to send you few texts copied from talks of those who survived that, what about murders they did that they?

What did Macedonians did to Albanians? Why do you saying something like that.
On Kosovo war was finished right after NATO bombing, and all militaries from Serbia have been moved out of Kosovo, and Alabanians kept on killing and stealing, what do you want to say by that "So you did to them"???
Now if something happened before 1000 years we should get up, and destroy something?

What about unemployment on Kosovo, all drug smugling and mafia there, terrorist groups, now they suppose to have their own country, cleaned from Serbs who live there since Slavs came on Balkan??
Do you now who represent human rights by democratic party, Hasim Taci, leader of KLA(UCK) paramilitary group that was killing, raping and smuggling drogs, group with thousends mujahedins&#33;&#33;&#33;


Who do you approving here, what is your point?

[sh0cker]

Originally posted by [email protected] 11 2004, 06:33 PM
BASTARD MUJAHDDIN&#33;&#33;comrade blah blah sorry i cant remember your name but dont refer to my people as bastards first og all and this doen no t qualify as jihad at all.....if you want to know what your talkin about then i suggest you do some reading or if you want ill explain it to you..&#33;&#33;
and the other guy that started this disscusion oyu sound really sad and ignorant and i dont think i will bother to actually answer you &#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;
oh and my the way you a RASCIST IGNORANT MY DEAR&#33;&#33;&#33;
p.s were you some sort of war lord or generale or something?

just curious......
What do you want to say?

To have reading that some Iliris have lived on land of Kosovo few thousends years ago, and now Albanians who considern them selfs as pure Ilirs are approved to kill and do ethnic cleansing?

Who says this is Jihad?

I just wish that Enver Hodza had kept on living longer then he does, you wouldn&#39;t be like this now-a-days&#33;

[sh0cker]

Originally posted by commie [email protected] 11 2004, 03:39 PM
I understand they have done bad things. So have you guys.

And I&#39;m sorry that you&#39;ve been raised as such a nationalist and racist. I bet you&#39;re really fanatical about Orthodoxy as well.
You are not normal at all&#33;

[commie kg]

Originally posted by sh0cker+Apr 11 2004, 05:24 PM--> (sh0cker @ Apr 11 2004, 05:24 PM)
commie [email protected] 11 2004, 03:39 PM
I understand they have done bad things. So have you guys.

And I&#39;m sorry that you&#39;ve been raised as such a nationalist and racist. I bet you&#39;re really fanatical about Orthodoxy as well.
You are not normal at all&#33; [/b]
Because I&#39;m not a Pan-Slav nationalist like you?

I think there may be a bit of a language issue here, me being a native English speaker and you not being one. All I am trying to say is that you seem to be saying that the Serbs are totally innocent, and are being constantly cleansed by Albanians. You seem to think that all Albanians want to see the Serbs dead. That&#39;s rediculous.

[sh0cker]

Look, you can be whatever you want but you are here only to provoke, it&#39;s obvious.

I said thousends times that Serbs are NOT innocent, they are responsible for many things. But here we are not talking about history of Kosovo or we are?

We are talking about this last happening, about last cleansing about last killings&#33;
Here in this case Serbs are completly innocent. I have explained everything in previous post, but it seems that all you read is small posts and then try to provoke..

I don&#39;t see what do you want, but all answers you will find up, if you don&#39;t understand ask again.

And who the hell are you, btw. Albanian or what is your problem, you are always defending them without profs&#33;&#33;&#33;

[commie kg]

Here in this case Serbs are completly innocent. I have explained everything in previous post, but it seems that all you read is small posts and then try to provoke..

You can&#39;t forget what they&#39;ve done in the past, however. That far outweighs what has happened recently.


And who the hell are you, btw. Albanian or what is your problem, you are always defending them without profs&#33;&#33;&#33;

I&#39;m Slovene.

And I&#39;m not defending the Albanians per say, I&#39;m trying to say that Serbs are not the big victims in the Balkans. Traditionally, they&#39;re the oppressors...

[sh0cker]

How can you charge when you said by yourself that you don&#39;t now history of Balkan?

So after all you can approve this what they did?

And what is that thing, which can lead people after 5 year "peace" on Kosovo to do this?

So bobmarding is not enough charge for Serbia, they should burn it to the houses in all Serbia now?

And who are they as a foreigns in country to do this?

What you are talking is ridiculous&#33;&#33;&#33;

[commie kg]

Originally posted by [email protected] 12 2004, 04:40 PM
How can you charge when you said by yourself that you don&#39;t now history of Balkan?

So after all you can approve this what they did?

And what is that thing, which can lead people after 5 year "peace" on Kosovo to do this?

So bobmarding is not enough charge for Serbia, they should burn it to the houses in all Serbia now?

And who are they as a foreigns in country to do this?

What you are talking is ridiculous&#33;&#33;&#33;
I don&#39;t approve.

and I do know some Balkan history. You act like I don&#39;t even know what the Balkans are. I know the basics, and maybe a little bit more.

[Komit]

Well tell you honestly you&#39;re the typical WOG or EUROPEAN born somewhere overseas or went there when you were very young.I came to this god forsaken country Australia two years ago and every one that i have met who are from the Balkans but are born here disgust me,they have this attitude of a patriotic person who would die for his country; they can&#39;t fuckin find their country on the map,they can hardly speak the language even if they do they still speak in english which is ridicilous, 99% of them know only one historic event that happened there and that&#39;s all they can tell you.They have no idea how their country looks like because they haven&#39;t been there,they think they know how the people are like but they actually have no fuckin idea and they consider themselves as Macedonians or Serbians or Slovenians but they&#39;re far from that,and i personally walk away when i meet a person like that.I can discuss politics about some place anywhere in the world,i can assume i&#39;m right but when i meet a person that comes from there and when that persons tells me that he has experienced all that what i&#39;m discussing,and when he tells me what is actally going on there i believe him because he knows 10&#33;&#33; times more then i do only because of the fact that he has lived through that and has experienced a lot of things and there are a lot more factors that can be considered but let&#39;s leave them.You have the least right to come here and provoke as Shocker said because you know the least about what&#39;s going on there, if at all.

p.s. I don&#39;t even consider Slovenia as part of the Balkans and as our people,you are all catholic and don&#39;t have much in common with us language wise,you would&#39;ve been better of if you stayed with Austria cause that&#39;s where you belong,so therefore i don&#39;t really give a shit about you and your lame oppinions.

[commie kg]

Hahaha.

You&#39;ve wonderfully and openly displayed your overt Slavic nationalism here, bud.


Well tell you honestly you&#39;re the typical WOG or EUROPEAN born somewhere overseas or went there when you were very young.

Yeah, I am. What&#39;s it to you?


I came to this god forsaken country Australia two years ago and every one that i have met who are from the Balkans but are born here disgust me,they have this attitude of a patriotic person who would die for his country; they can&#39;t fuckin find their country on the map

I wouldn&#39;t die for Slovenia just because I have familial connections with it. I also have familial connections with England, Germany, and Sweden. The only reason I brought it up, was because I have been raised in a Slovene household and have seen this kind of behavior (the hatred for other Balkan peoples) from my grandparents and my mother.


You have the least right to come here and provoke as Shocker said because you know the least about what&#39;s going on there, if at all.

sh0cker is a Slavic nationalist like you. Your views of the conflict are horribly skewed towards whatever side you were born into.


p.s. I don&#39;t even consider Slovenia as part of the Balkans and as our people,you are all catholic and don&#39;t have much in common with us language wise,you would&#39;ve been better of if you stayed with Austria cause that&#39;s where you belong,so therefore i don&#39;t really give a shit about you and your lame oppinions.

Yeah, well I&#39;m sure most of them don&#39;t want to be affiliated with you in any way, either.

[sh0cker]

So this discussion will always be same aren&#39;t they. SOme Slovens or worldwide people will come and say,you are too nationalist because you like you country too much, and you don&#39;t want to give part of it to some terrorist.
I see you point more clearly now a days, but there is no man with such IQ who can irritate me so much, so don&#39;t try to.
I know that in Slovenia and everywhere else Serbs, Montenegrins.. are shown as nothing but nationalist and people who don&#39;t respect anything, want only wars bla,bla. But that&#39;s just media nothing more.
You are constantly accusing Sebian side for this violence without any evidnce except that Serbia is powerhouse on Bakan.
But you have never said or mentioned that Albanians on Kosovo have University on Albanian language icluding all sorts of studies from medicine to IT, that they have 1 TV, that they have 12 newspapers, that they have 60 per cent factories ruled by Albanians and around 5 people who represent Serbia worldwide, you have never mentioned this.. And that all this is paid by Serbia and Montenegro.
The don&#39;t have this even in Albania and this does not exist any where in the worldthis liberty.
If you know any country who gives this liberty to MINORITY please meniton it&#33;&#33;&#33; But you don&#39;t.
And constantly you are saying they have no rights and things like Serbs, where can you say that&#33;

But everyone knows that this violence is not because of the standards it is because of their plan of big Albania with support of America and Albanian mafia who is great lobby in USA. But you don&#39;t dare to say that.
And you are only saying how natinalist am I, why?? Because I don&#39;t want to give my land and I don&#39;t want my pople to be cleansed???
Also I am Orthodoxy fanatical, because we can&#39;t believe someone dare to burn 40 churches (some from 14v), kill people and do wthnic cleansing while world is promising they will bring peace, we have suffered for every single mistake, but you and them NO&#33;
Because you have all the time some support and you are always innocent, and Balkan Slavics are terrible people, maybe they should be all cleansed somewhere so that you can live peaceful a?
Maybe there want be then people who don&#39;t want to accept everythng White House says.

If you want this discussion to go along talk by convincing, not provoking as learn now.
But of course I know why you think you understand situation, but you don&#39;t, because you aren&#39;t tipical Balkan boy, as you said you family is mixed from some other people also. But that is not important.

If you can convince if not don&#39;t provoke&#33;

[Misodoctakleidist]

Originally posted by [email protected] 13 2004, 04:45 AM
they can hardly speak the language even if they do they still speak in english which is ridicilous
Yeah, speaking the language of the country you live in is absurd.

[sh0cker]

Originally posted by Misodoctakleidist+Apr 13 2004, 05:00 PM--> (Misodoctakleidist @ Apr 13 2004, 05:00 PM)
[email protected] 13 2004, 04:45 AM
they can hardly speak the language even if they do they still speak in english which is ridicilous
Yeah, speaking the language of the country you live in is absurd. [/b]
It is only the prove tht they easily forget where they come from. Nothing else.
And it is quite ridicilous not to speak native language..

[Komit]

Yeah, I am. What&#39;s it to you?

---------it&#39;s nothin to me,i&#39;m just saying what kind of a person you are because it reflects your oppinions on this topic.------

I wouldn&#39;t die for Slovenia just because I have familial connections with it. I also have familial connections with England, Germany, and Sweden. The only reason I brought it up, was because I have been raised in a Slovene household and have seen this kind of behavior (the hatred for other Balkan peoples) from my grandparents and my mother.

-------You are so mixed buddy you don&#39;t even know yourself where you come from,and after you posted this i care even less about what you say cause i know now that you deffinately don&#39;t know shit about what&#39;s going on.------

sh0cker is a Slavic nationalist like you. Your views of the conflict are horribly skewed towards whatever side you were born into.

-------If anyone on this board knows what&#39;s going on overthere it&#39;s SHOCKER and I,not you and not anyone else.How the fuck can Greece hate the guts of the albanians??? Hot the fuck can Macedonians hate the guts of albanians?? what about Serbians huh??? what about Montenegrians???/ how the fuck can all of these countries see what&#39;s going on but miraculously no one can do anything about it but never mind that,and now you a DUDE from usa come here and you try to prove me wrong because you watched cnn and bbc when people there lived and are living through it??? i just can&#39;t see the logic and please i mean please stop with the nationalism bullshit because it has nothin to do with this,you are saying that i&#39;m full with anger and hate so i&#39;m blinded from the truth??? what fuckin truth you idiot,you are the last one to know the truth, you come here and you tell me that you understand more what&#39;s going on there than me and shocker??------

Yeah, well I&#39;m sure most of them don&#39;t want to be affiliated with you in any way, either.

---------What, reading about the history of my dead ancestors will make me know where my allegiances lie, make me one of you? ???????????????????????????----

and yeah as shocker said, my country is even worse in that point of view, mind you albanians a MINORITY in our country and tell me ONE other country that allows this

-albanian university&#33;&#33; minister of education is albanian, minister of medicine is albanian,half of the government participants are albanians,half of the cities` mayors are albanians,a lot of the prisoners` directors are albanian, maybe half of the ambassadors are albanians and a lot more but i won&#39;t go on. see what they have as minority??/ and they still want more??? they have their own candidate for president and when they were asked why don&#39;t they carry the Macedonian flag with them but only the albanian and mind you again this IS IN macedonia they said they disgust the flag and it doesn&#39;t diserve to be shown on their campaigns because we are not giving them enough rights.
Shcoker mentioned it and i have personaly seen the map of great albania,it&#39;s fuckin half of my country 1/4 of serbia and a quite a bit from the northern part from greece,and don&#39;t make me start listing the churches they burnt down during the war(i was sooo glad when komiti burnt down their muslim temples and a few stores in Bitola hahahaha), when about 100 albanians were surrounded in Aracinovo and they were going to get slaughtered USA and NATO came with 2 or 3 buses,they got in and drove them away and released them somewhere and didn&#39;t get caught or ANYTHING,and during this time the macedonian soldiers were standing aside and watched them leaving&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33; so yeah you might have somethin to say about this as well. i don&#39;t wanna talk about the masacres they did and stuff like that,i don&#39;t think it&#39;s neccessary,or maybe i can tell you how albanians ingraved their initials with knifes on macedonian hostiges,or where they open their skulls with knifes and burn cigarette butts on their bodies,take out their eyes and cut their genitals.i have personally seen photos from this,they were from the autopsy made on the soldiers

[General A.A.Vlasov]

Kapitan Andrey and General Vlasov:

Komit...hello comrade&#33; We&#39;re glad to see you&#33; We respect you for your active position in this problem&#33;

abigratsass...who are talking to&#33;?

[commie kg]

it&#39;s nothin to me,i&#39;m just saying what kind of a person you are because it reflects your oppinions on this topic

Yep, I&#39;m a damn dirty Wog. But you go even farther:


You are so mixed buddy you don&#39;t even know yourself where you come from,and after you posted this i care even less about what you say cause i know now that you deffinately don&#39;t know shit about what&#39;s going on.

So now you&#39;re a racist? I don&#39;t really care about "where I come from." I find it mildly interesting at times, but you take it to the extreme. I don&#39;t hate you because you&#39;re a Serb. I&#39;m kind of frustrated that you are such a nationalist, however.


now you a DUDE from usa come here and you try to prove me wrong because you watched cnn and bbc when people there lived and are living through it???

I don&#39;t get my info on CNN and BBC. I get it from firsthand accounts I&#39;ve read, indymedia, and knowing several people who lived through the situation. I&#39;m pretty good friends with a Bosnian that owns a clothing store in my town. But he&#39;s a Bosnian Muslim, so you hate him.


---------What, reading about the history of my dead ancestors will make me know where my allegiances lie, make me one of you? ???????????????????????????----

What are you saying? I don&#39;t understand.


albanians ingraved their initials with knifes on macedonian hostiges,or where they open their skulls with knifes and burn cigarette butts on their bodies,take out their eyes and cut their genitals.i have personally seen photos from this,they were from the autopsy made on the soldiers

And no Serbs did equally atrocious things to Albanians? And Croats, for that matter? I bet you hate the Croats as well.

I will respond to Sh0cker&#39;s more intelligent post when I get the time. I have to go to class.

[commie kg]

My history professor is in Las Vegas for a Social Sciences conference, so I guess I&#39;ll use this time to respond to sh0cker.


So this discussion will always be same aren&#39;t they. SOme Slovens or worldwide people will come and say,you are too nationalist because you like you country too much

Well, on a communist board what do you expect? We don&#39;t believe we should like our country at all.


You are constantly accusing Sebian side for this violence without any evidnce except that Serbia is powerhouse on Bakan.

I know people who suffered Serb violence against the Bosniac people. You aren&#39;t really giving any evidence either. I know you live there, but just for a moment try to fathom that your glorious country might have been a bit too agressive after the collapse of Yugoslavia.


But you have never said or mentioned that Albanians on Kosovo have University on Albanian language icluding all sorts of studies from medicine to IT, that they have 1 TV, that they have 12 newspapers, that they have 60 per cent factories ruled by Albanians and around 5 people who represent Serbia worldwide, you have never mentioned this..

Because I didn&#39;t know that. It is very interesting, thank you. I believe every coulntry with a significant national minority should do something like this. I&#39;m sure there are many Albanians who are greatful to the Serbian government.


And constantly you are saying they have no rights and things like Serbs, where can you say that&#33;

Show me where I said Albanians have no rights in Serbia. I never said anything like that.


But everyone knows that this violence is not because of the standards it is because of their plan of big Albania with support of America and Albanian mafia who is great lobby in USA. But you don&#39;t dare to say that.

Once again I&#39;ve never heard about the Albanian mafia, or their supposed "huge lobby" in America. I wouldn&#39;t doubt it, I&#39;ve just never heard about it.


And you are only saying how natinalist am I, why?? Because I don&#39;t want to give my land and I don&#39;t want my pople to be cleansed???

Albanians and Croats don&#39;t want to be cleansed either. Is it OK for you to take their land and cleanse their people? You have demonstrated that you think ALL Albanians are terrorists who only want to kill the glorious Serbian people. That is not true. Look past what your government feeds you.


Because you have all the time some support and you are always innocent, and Balkan Slavics are terrible people, maybe they should be all cleansed somewhere so that you can live peaceful a?

I know English isn&#39;t your first language, but from here on it gets tough to understand. I never said Balkan Slavs were terrible people. Slavic nationalists can be pretty bad, like some of your generals in the early 90s and their treatment of Bosnian Muslims.


But of course I know why you think you understand situation, but you don&#39;t, because you aren&#39;t tipical Balkan boy, as you said you family is mixed from some other people also. But that is not important.

At least you understand that ethnicity isn&#39;t important... Or at least that&#39;s what I think you are saying...

But I don&#39;t think I understand the whole situation. You don&#39;t either. You seem to just listen to the Serb government press releases and your state TV. Like any unbiased info comes out of either of them. You can&#39;t fully understand the situation without looking from all sides.

[sh0cker]

Ok.. Commie I totally understand your position and for you there is no nationalism or anything similar, because you live somewhere else then Central Europe and specially Balkan. But that is the whole point, relations on Balkans can&#39;t understand someone from outside, that is the problem, Komit didn&#39;t said that you are too mixed to charge, to provoke you, it was to explain that pure Macedonian or Serbian or Montenegrin will never have same feelings like some American. We are nationalist and patriotic because all through our history we havn&#39;t let any war to happen without us, and we still live in proud of our grand fathers. It is just in our blood. This was just to explain you some things..

First, you started mentioning Croatia and Bosnian Muslims. Let me tell you some things. Before Tito came to power HDZ (Independent Croatia as they called it) was allies with Nazis, and they fighting very well against Partizans and Chetniks and every other. Had concentration camps and everything. But Tito crush that, and Croatia becames one of the republics in SFRJ. Before Tito died when he first time went in hospital after his arrival from Havana, he had speach with his comrades (I have copy of it) where he said that he thinks Bosnian Muslims get nation too fast, and that he already know that Croatia is frustrated, because they think it supose to be their land. bla,bla Slovenia also was frustrated and disputes were quite big. So after Tito died this somes true, they stud up and said it publically. They were for dividing. They had great support from West, we were shown as bad boys and OK. We had army, they had some small paramilitary groups. Do you think if they would be built on their money stand whole war, and give good defence? NO of course. They were paid by outside. Bosnia also. I am not saying they are guilty for war we are innocent. Both of us were responsible, but don&#39;t tell me how bad we are and they are good. Bosnia had huge troops of mujahedins brought through Albania and muslim connections. And they did all sorts of things as we do of course. They were killing we were killing, no doubt about that. Both of us did some horrible things, and it is not mine to charge. But only new Yugoslavia suffered, maybe it was price because we havn&#39;t war on our soil. If you want to talk about murders, I can bring you many things by mujahedins and Croats but it is not the point.

Second, you are talking about past Kosovo. Everyone knows how strong Albanian mafia is, and you can&#39;t say anything about that. Everyone knows that there are a lot of Albanians in America specially those rich ones. Who are actually doing this all the time. Albanians were always minority. During II WW, they were also on Nazi side, and they were also killing Slavs. But thats over. Tito had invest millions and millions in Kosovo, it seems never enough. They were equal as others, but it wasn&#39;t enough because they wanted Kosovo for them self. I told you what they had, you tell me is there any other country which gives it to any minority??
Even during communisam they stud up many many times and made demonstrations, even by that time killing people. When Tito died they saw their chance. And they started bringing and bringing more people. In 1997 well know OVK or KLA how ever you want. Imagine you want to liberate country where you are foreign by force&#33;&#33;&#33; And they started their operations by murdering, what army suppose to do, let them kill our people?? Of course no, there was war, no doubt about that. Our army was fighting against terrorism, and what do you expect, to be polite with them? Immediatly we got warning from NATO. We did our best to stop them attack, we gave everything we could. On the last meeting Milosevic offered if they want land there as they said, let us join NATO and NATO will have everything in Yugoslavia. Imagine that&#33;&#33;&#33; They rejected because they needed war. Without any right according to EU or anything else they couldn&#39;t attack us, but they did. Just because they were stronger. And what happened, KLA was supported by NATO, our army had to leave people and everything, KLA stayed and as komit said had support by NATO. I won&#39;t tell you anything except imagine what can people do when they have free zone to kill, all mujahedins and fanatics were there alone without any ruls. Just imagine that just few days they all were almost defeated and now they can defeat. I will tell you one thing, 3000 people since EU and NATO came on Kosovo had disappeared. And their greatest leader Hasim Taci is now DEMOCRATIC leader for independent Kosovo (they even don&#39;t know real name "Kosovo and Metohija"). And all this was made, because who could do anything to them now a days???
After all, Milosevic and others from Kosovo are now in Haag, but even after 3 years no one of them have been charged for Kosovo genocids&#33;&#33;&#33;
And there is not even one Albanian&#33; Because they have support.

I had to make situation a little bit clear because some people are trying to confuse me and others, with history. If anything from here is wrong, convince me&#33; Or bring evidence, thats all I need. And if you still believe that this was made because Albanians havn&#39;t equal rights, then you are not normal. Or say why, we can discuss while you accept things, not just talk propaganda. I know very well what Western people think about particulary Serbs and Montenegrins, but it doesn&#39;t mean that I will let people talk without evidence.

Do you commie_kg have to tell me some unequalities between Serbs and Albanians? Or something which lead to this now a days, or as I said it is just the thing that ALbanians always wanted that land?

[Raisa]

Originally posted by General [email protected] 8 2004, 07:15 AM


Yes, Miloshevich is not angel...but was it innocent Serbs fault&#33;?

no its not. But you make it sound like the killings that just recently happened of the serbs are all the Albanian&#39;s fault.....what kind of logic is that.
What are you? George Bush?

[sh0cker]

Raisa, do you have boyfriend? Maybe, you will be better on that field ;)

Milosevic is in Haag, he was sent there 3 years ago, and they didn&#39;t move from the beggining because they can&#39;t charge him for anything..

[General A.A.Vlasov]

Raisa...moronic *****... :angry:

I hate bush&#33; And I don&#39;t justify SOME of the Miloshevich&#39;s crimes, but after 1999 (bombings) Serbs became a victims of albanian repressions and cleanings&#33;

[Komit]

Originally posted by General [email protected] 14 2004, 07:43 AM
Kapitan Andrey and General Vlasov:

Komit...hello comrade&#33; We&#39;re glad to see you&#33; We respect you for your active position in this problem&#33;

abigratsass...who are talking to&#33;?
holla back to you General Vlasov i Kapetan Andrey,very greatful for your respect and support,you get my respect instantly

[Xprewatik RED]

I was gone for how long? Kapitan Andrey has split into how many different entities. Hey, not all Russians are this dumb. I am Ukrainian I know many Russians so don&#39;t judge Russia based on a few Nationalist Facists. These people are all Fatherland supporters. They all believe muslims are inferior. They are the people on the street that if they see a person on the street who is dark they mutter "nigger" - the russian word is darky meaning those who are not white. Just please ignore them. They hate Albanians , this is an ethnic thing. They hate Croats because they are "filthy" Catholics , and not "Correct" Slavs - Orthodox Christians-. Please don&#39;t respond to them they will offer no logic. Kapitan Andrey you gonna call me a XOXOL now? You wanna call me a Ukraininan peasant like you always do- I didn&#39;t thing on this board being working class was shameful...hehe..? Ignorant fool. Why do you even come here. I&#39;m ethnically catholic - though I&#39;m an athesist- so I&#39;m one of those "filthy fucking Catholic" Poles as your kind likes to label me, correct? If I were from Crimea though you would call me a "filthy fucking Tartar scum muslim bastard". I know your kind and I know them well. All you Racial Nationalists are the same. Serbians are our SLAVIC BROTHERS&#33; ONLY WE CAN SAVE THEM&#33; Save me, I border this imperialist country....

[sh0cker]

You are mentioning Muslims, where did you saw this? I havn&#39;t?
You are mentioning Croats, that is just propaganda, and think that Vatikan have supported them all the time war there. But once again it is not true that someone from Serbia and Montenegro (I think you mentioned us) hate them because of religion. Not at all.
You mentioned Albanians, did you ever deeply charge why is that?
You mentioned Blacks, I don&#39;t think it is true.
You said only Russians can save Serbia, did you think why?Did you think that whole EU was supporters of NATO bombing of (in that time) Yugoslavia. And there was no particular reason. After all it was only the thing that they had to prove all those investing in army somewhere. I will tell you just one think which Milosevic offered on the end when all discussion were over, and he knew that they will attack no matter what. He offered to NATO, and Mary Olbrait, Yugoslavia to join NATO and give everything what is needed on Kosovo to stop what they wanted. And of course they rejected.

However, only thing which is true is that (I am talking about myself because I think you thought on me also not only Russians) I love my land very much.

And I think you miss topic, because this wasn&#39;t topic about Russia, this was about Kosovo.

[General A.A.Vlasov]

Xyu&#39;-blue...you&#39;d better not to come back...

Nationalist Facists&#33;? It&#39;s you are&#33; You started with anti-russian bullshit, then you are National Fascist&#33;&#33;&#33;

I&#39;m not against Tatars&#33;
I&#39;m against such an ultra-nationalistic bastards like you&#33; I want all of you to DIE&#33;&#33;&#33;

I support Orthodox church, and I&#39;m don&#39;t hate catolics at all...Whole South America is catolican&#33; Cuba is catolican&#33;

Who said, that I hate ALL the musulms&#33;? I&#39;m not against peaceful musulms&#33; I&#39;m against radical musulms, that fight against EVEREONE - against peaceful-devout musulms, catolics, orthodoxes, buddists...

...do you remember this? -

FUCK YOU XOXOJl-CYKA-Motherfucker&#33;&#33;&#33;

[Xprewatik RED]

Nationalist Facists&#33;? It&#39;s you are&#33; You started with anti-russian bullshit, then you are National Fascist&#33;&#33;&#33;

What the hell are you screaming? I am not the one supporting a war for imperialism nor using the Albanians as a scapegoat.


I&#39;m against such an ultra-nationalistic bastards like you&#33; I want all of you to DIE&#33;&#33;&#33;

I am nationalist? Find me one line where I ever said one word in support of my corrupt government, one sentence.


Who said, that I hate ALL the musulms&#33;? I&#39;m not against peaceful musulms&#33; I&#39;m against radical musulms, that fight against EVEREONE - against peaceful-devout musulms, catolics, orthodoxes, buddists...

Yeah... Thats why you support the murder and rape of the Chechyan people. I hate Russians who support the murder of the innocent. You are an imperialist plain and simple.

FUCK YOU XOXOJl-CYKA-Motherfucker&#33;&#33;&#33;

Yet another sign of ignorance. Fuck you "Lower Class Ukrainian Scum" - *****- motherfucker&#33;&#33;&#33; That is the level of intelligence you have? That is your argument? I laugh at fools like you. Yet it is sad that the world is FILLED with idiots like yourself. Eager to rob and steal for a capitalist imperialistic joke. So FUCK YOU BOURGIOUSIE IMPERIALIST SCUM&#33;&#33;

[Raisa]

Originally posted by [email protected] 14 2004, 08:36 PM
Raisa, do you have boyfriend? Maybe, you will be better on that field ;)

I reguard this as a sexist comment directed at me because I am a woman.

I believe I have made a fair point, but you disagree and jump to solution that I am so stupid for not agreeing with your slobbering nationalist biases that I should go find a man to please instead.

You do not seem to understand the historic dehumanization of women, or their struggle&#33; And we will never have our full emancipation from sexist opression as long as this cheauvanist burgeois mentality exists. In minds like this no matter who I am who or who I can be, I will be no more then an object for some one else&#39;s pleasure.

[RedAnarchist]

Raisa, shocker is an embarassemnet to the male half of humanity. He does not realize that male and female are two wings of one bird, and both are equal if the bird is to fly gracefuklly and freely.

[Raisa]

Originally posted by [email protected] 19 2004, 09:14 PM
Raisa, shocker is an embarassemnet to the male half of humanity. He does not realize that male and female are two wings of one bird, and both are equal if the bird is to fly gracefuklly and freely.
I apprieciate your solidarity very much. People disreguard the struggle of women because in the year 2004 they dont want to believe it exists. They laugh at it, and thier laughter goes to show that here it is. I am glad that you are man enough to look our struggle in the face comrade.
Thank you so much.

[sh0cker]

This thread is very exciting.. I see both of you are interested very much in discussion about Kosovo..

@Raisa: You still don&#39;t get do you? You totally wrong about my thoughts on woman, first of all. Second, I wrote that because you said a non-sence. You are talking about history, if you really look history (I know you didn&#39;t) you will find that Serbian cleansing is doing constantly around 60 years ago. Albanian terrorists, fanatacis were there a long time ago. They are making protests since 1960, and I already wrote which rights they had as a minority and I also wrote if any onther country do provide those rights for minority let me know because as far as I know there don&#39;t exist any conutry. And it is just a prove that you are not reading posts at all, all you did is defence Albanians with some non-sence things about Milosevic, you don&#39;t know that demonstrations and Albanian idea exist 40 years ago. And you are talking about history. So that is the reason to find boyfriend rather then make fun of yourself. I don&#39;t see where you said something important? Show me I am wrong?

@XPhile2868: I know that you have no idea where Kosovo on geographic map is. You came from no where started saying bad things about me, then about Russians. And some non-sence. I guess you don&#39;t bother to read anything from this thread. And for participate I also know that you can&#39;t participate, because you don&#39;t know what to say. So all you have left is to defence young woman from me hahaha Keep your word up dude&#33; Maybe someone will listen to you.

I know bith of you won&#39;t say anything about this.. But, I think you are for each other. You should meet somewhere, then come and talk non-sence together ;)

[sh0cker]

Mistake

Edit..

[DaCuBaN]

He does not realize that male and female are two wings of one bird, and both are equal if the bird is to fly gracefully and freely

That&#39;s beautiful man....

*Fires up the bong again*

seriously though - that&#39;s a really nice analogy. I think we have the first addition for my sig - if you don&#39;t mind of course. :)

Is that quoted, or an XPhile2868 original?

[RedAnarchist]

I read a similar saying somewhere.

I do know where Kosovo is. I know an Albanian and a Serbian via the internet (in Tirana and Novi Sad respectively). One is an hardline Stalinist/Hoxhaist and my Serbian friend is not political.

Milosevic was no politician, but a tyrant. He murdered those he saw were different to him and caused the Balkan powderkeg to explode after decades of it simmering away due to the union of the Balkans as Jugoslavja/Yugoslavia.

[Komit]

Originally posted by [email protected] 20 2004, 02:31 PM
I read a similar saying somewhere.

I do know where Kosovo is. I know an Albanian and a Serbian via the internet (in Tirana and Novi Sad respectively). One is an hardline Stalinist/Hoxhaist and my Serbian friend is not political.

Milosevic was no politician, but a tyrant. He murdered those he saw were different to him and caused the Balkan powderkeg to explode after decades of it simmering away due to the union of the Balkans as Jugoslavja/Yugoslavia.
well see my friend,you are brainwahsed as well by the american propaganda.Milosevic was just imagenary,an excuse just like Sadam so they have a "reason" to go and bomb the shit out of the country.Now Milosevic is been in Hag for 3 years and they haven&#39;t judged him for anything yet hmmmmm <_<,that is because they can&#39;t, and they will either let him go in the near future or will keep him there without any reason which is unlikely.Same thing happened in Iraq and Sadam didn&#39;t it,they didn&#39;t find any weapons of mass destruction did they,it was all b/s.Now they will probably do the same thing with Sadam,they won&#39;t judge him because they can&#39;t,and the people don&#39;t seem terrorised to me by Sadam,do they to you??? i think they were very happy people,but the thing is you just saw 10-20 iraqi scumbags bribed with &#036;100 to go on tv and say how "bad" Sadam was and how they suffured, bullcrap&#33;&#33; You watch them,you read the newspapers and there you go, Sadam is a bad man <_< . Same thing is happening with Albanians in Serbia and Macedonia,you have no idea what is really happening there because they DON"T say the truth on TV and newspapers my friend.They say what&#39;s right for them,they favour the albenians,on TV and in newspapers outside serbia and macedonia the serbians&macedonians are always the bad,evil people who commit genocide and the albanians are the ones who are beaing cleansed,well i&#39;ll tell you my friend it is nothing like that,it is quite the opposite,so you can&#39;t come here and prove me wrong because you DON"T KNOW&#33;&#33;&#33; and don&#39;t get confused when we get irritated and pissed off because everyone will when someone who doesn&#39;t know what is really happening comes and tries to prove that person wrong.(it is reallyyyy&#33;&#33; irritating)

[sh0cker]

Komit, I agree with you totally.. Keep on&#33;

@XPhile2868: Maybe you know where is it on map but definitly you have no idea about politics. And as a prove, you said Milosevic&#39;s foult is blowing of Yugoslavia? Haha Sometimes I must loughe, sorry. Come on, even in 1941 Croatia wanted independence and later under communism, Tudjman and Mesic said after Tito died they will do everything what is necesserry to divide Yugoslavia, there are evidencies. How can you say his foult is war? Wasn&#39;t him and Bulatovic (Montnegrin president by that time) only two for staying united Yugoslavia?

Did you come to oppose Russians and loving country from which all your family is or to talk about situation? I see you have support from girls :) You must be part of it ;) Joke. However, don&#39;t say these things somewhere in public, people will make fool of you.

[Blackguard]

OK people&#33; I hope you will belive me. if nothing else i am from Slovenia and for those of you who don´t know Slovenia was a part of Yugoslavia.
I can only tell you that Miloševič isn´t a saint, acctually he is the opposite way. He WAS a tyrant, a dictator, ... Let me tell you that on the elections(which he won), he got 111% of the votes in one county. Is this possible in democracy? And I won´t even go to the ethnical cleaning part&#33; Do you even know how meny people were killed in Srebrenica only? Thank god my parents, grand parents were smart and got out of there at the right moment&#33;&#33;&#33;
Well the NATO intervention was an american attempt to politicly manipulate the Balkan. Did they succeed? In my opinion no&#33;
And last Kosovo. Well the land belongs to Serbia, no matter how many percent of Albanians live there. It is Serbian land since a long time ago. Kosvo wasn´t a federal state(like Slovenia, Croatia, Serbia,...) of Yugoslavia it was just a part of a federal state Serbia.
I wouldn´t call 20 dead people ethnical cleaning because of the fact how many albanians and bosnians were killed by Miloševič&#33;

[Komit]

well ofcoruse it&#39;s their land,they have no right to go there and fight for independence,make it part of albania,it doesn&#39;t belong to them,ofcoruse the serbian people are not gonna quit,ofcourse they will fight for every cm of it. in macedonia they started fighting in the north part trying to make it theirs,make it part of albania,just as Kosovo,i mean that land as well as kosovo belongs to both countries for many centuries,they have no right to do that.that&#39;s like a few thousand russian people to go and live in texas and start making protests and start fighting for independence,fight to make it russian?&#33;?&#33;?&#33;?&#33;? i don&#39;t think america will like that will they? as well as any other country.

as for milosevic i think he was doing a great job,he was a bit corrupted yeah but every action he took againts albanians belive me had a reason, he wouldn&#39;t just go and slaughter albanians beacuse of no reason, it doesn&#39;t work like that my friend. i think he meant the best for his people because you can see youself what&#39;s happening in kosovo, now you know what he was trying to do.

[abigratsass]

HEY SHOKER I NEVER SAID THAT I CONSIDERED THIS &#39;&#39;JIHAD &#39;&#39; I WAS SIMPLY REPLYING TO A POST BY &#39;&#39;COMRADE HECTOR&#39;&#39; .I WOULD NEVER REMOTLY CONSIDER THIS JIHAD &#33;&#33;
AND ONE MORE THING I WANTED TO KNOW WAS THIS LIKE A ONE EVENT SORT OF THING OR IS IT ORGANIZED?

[sh0cker]

Originally posted by [email protected] 20 2004, 06:19 PM
OK people&#33; I hope you will belive me. if nothing else i am from Slovenia and for those of you who don´t know Slovenia was a part of Yugoslavia.
I can only tell you that Miloševič isn´t a saint, acctually he is the opposite way. He WAS a tyrant, a dictator, ... Let me tell you that on the elections(which he won), he got 111% of the votes in one county. Is this possible in democracy? And I won´t even go to the ethnical cleaning part&#33; Do you even know how meny people were killed in Srebrenica only? Thank god my parents, grand parents were smart and got out of there at the right moment&#33;&#33;&#33;
Well the NATO intervention was an american attempt to politicly manipulate the Balkan. Did they succeed? In my opinion no&#33;
And last Kosovo. Well the land belongs to Serbia, no matter how many percent of Albanians live there. It is Serbian land since a long time ago. Kosvo wasn´t a federal state(like Slovenia, Croatia, Serbia,...) of Yugoslavia it was just a part of a federal state Serbia.
I wouldn´t call 20 dead people ethnical cleaning because of the fact how many albanians and bosnians were killed by Miloševič&#33;
There is nothing you said worng at all.
I know exactly what happened in Srebrenica and I know very well all Milosevics crime, don&#39;t think that anyone is in fawer of his acts. But Srebrenica don&#39;t have to do anything about him..

But on the other hand.. Did Croatia or Bosnia had sanctions?
Did you ever think how we lived then?
He was dictator not tyrant.. He did cheat on elections, but he also had support of America till the time he started doing things in Kosovo..

For crimes Srebrenica is proved that he had nothing to do, it is proved in Haag .. And other criminals are already charged there for that, with around 35 years of jail.
But something else I don&#39;t see Bosnians, and so many mujahedins in Bosnia by that time in Haag, is it normal to you? And many other, just case that they can&#39;t charge him for 3 years&#33; Come on&#33;
And if you read my previous post I explained very clear from when Albanians started doing cleansing and wanted indpependent Kosovo.
Then comes bombing, for which as I said before NATO did not have even a single right except it is biger power then we are. I won&#39;t go in deep that they bombed bridges in Novi Sad, Belgrade, airports in Belgrade, Podgorica, Tivat which are all like 600km away from Kosovo.. Maybe it isn&#39;t much for Europe.. But for Balkan it is pretty much. And EU didn&#39;t stop them or did anything.
Then OVK (KLA) which was almost finished (crushed) they somehow got support from USA (read Albanian mafia payed to USA enough) so from 1999 till 2003 on Kosovo were 3000 people murdered which are Serbian nationality. And there was no Serbian army so Albania didn&#39;t lost anything.. Those are just points.

Now, you said you don&#39;t care on 20 cleansed people. Dude, do you know that now in this moment there are completly clear from Serbs 2/3 of Kosovo? Almost every single church and house have been burned so that in few years they won&#39;t exist. And in 100 no one will prove Serbia was there ever. Do you know now if EU support them and say, make elections Kosovo can became independent.. And all that time that KFOR, NATO was "securing" that part.. Come on.. Since 1999 250 000 people left Kosovo because of Albanians, and you are saying you don&#39;t care???

I don&#39;t understand, what do you want to say with I don&#39;t care?

Why don&#39;t you tell us how many mujahedins were in both Bosnia and Kosovo? A?
And what they did, where are all Serbs from Kosovo and Bosnia?
You are so arrogant.. Just like Jews, in 10 years it will be that war in Croatia, Bosnia, Kosovo was only against them, there wasn&#39;t Serbs who died&#33;&#33;

[sh0cker]

Originally posted by [email protected] 20 2004, 07:22 PM
HEY SHOKER I NEVER SAID THAT I CONSIDERED THIS &#39;&#39;JIHAD &#39;&#39; I WAS SIMPLY REPLYING TO A POST BY &#39;&#39;COMRADE HECTOR&#39;&#39; .I WOULD NEVER REMOTLY CONSIDER THIS JIHAD &#33;&#33;
AND ONE MORE THING I WANTED TO KNOW WAS THIS LIKE A ONE EVENT SORT OF THING OR IS IT ORGANIZED?
Sorry, I don&#39;t understand what about "Jihad".. I didn&#39;t said you said this is jihad.. Where did I say that?

And this was organised if you are asking about last event.. As well as all this period of last 60 years.. It is defenetly organised.

[Raisa]

Originally posted by Raisa+Apr 14 2004, 07:54 PM--> (Raisa @ Apr 14 2004, 07:54 PM)
General [email protected] 8 2004, 07:15 AM


Yes, Miloshevich is not angel...but was it innocent Serbs fault&#33;?

no its not. But you make it sound like the killings that just recently happened of the serbs are all the Albanian&#39;s fault.....what kind of logic is that.
What are you? George Bush? [/b]

This is my non sense comment.


>>all you did is defence Albanians with some non-sence things about Milosevic, you don&#39;t know that demonstrations and Albanian idea exist 40 years ago.<<

I think that you missed my point, or maybe I did not represent it very good. I am not trying to defend the "albanians" I am defending people, from being held responsible for what only some of them are doing. There are people here who wanted to blame all of Afghanistan for what a few people from there did to us, and turn that entire country into a parking lot. I gathered the same kind of hateful mentality from some comments that I have read, and I do not need to be a scholar to understand that if you want to stop a cycle of racism and racial violence, you dont blame the entire other group of people. That is all.

[sh0cker]

@Raisa: I understand what do you want to say, but it seems that you don&#39;t want to understand. Albanian idea about independent Kosovo and Albanian cleansing of Serbs exist even before Milosevic have been born. Do you understand???
This event is not lead because of Milosevic, and this event can&#39;t be something because of Serbs, Serbs are cleansed already after NATO bombing, they were minority.. Now Serbs don&#39;t exist in 2/3 of Kosovo&#33;&#33;&#33; Do you understand, that Albanians want Kosovo more then 60 years, when they did their first acts..
It seems that you prove this because Milosevic did something to them? What is that something, tell us exactly&#33; So you defence revenge??

If you again tell me that they did this because of Milosevic you should find bf defently..

[Blackguard]

I don&#39;t understand, what do you want to say with I don&#39;t care?

Why don&#39;t you tell us how many mujahedins were in both Bosnia and Kosovo? A?
And what they did, where are all Serbs from Kosovo and Bosnia?
You are so arrogant.. Just like Jews, in 10 years it will be that war in Croatia, Bosnia, Kosovo was only against them, there wasn&#39;t Serbs who died&#33;&#33;
I just wanted to make a point that you dont know much aboute Miloševič if you didnt live in Yugoslavia at that time. And if you are saying that now that Haag said that he is not guilty for Srebrenica, you are deeply mistaken.
There were a lot of serbians in Bosnia and Kosovbo and that was one of the main points why those people wanted to get out. serbians are serbians. they think of theirself highly, but of other nations(croatians, slovenians, bosnians, albanians) their opinion is as horrible as it gets. they thought they were the leaders in yugoslavia and acted that way towards other federat republics.
And last, when there is a war there are victims on both sides&#33;

[sh0cker]

Haha

My friend I was living during sanctions of that war, I have survived all his leadship.
I know very well what he did..
I am just saying, that for Srebrenica for example he is no quilty.. And for all other crimes they can&#39;t charge him 3 years.. There must be something wrong?
Maybe he wasn&#39;t ordering those murders?

But I don&#39;t see mujahedins in Haag, where is Alija.. and his fellows?
Other fundamentalists?
I don&#39;t see ALbanians in Haag, where are 3000 Serbs from Kosovo since NATO bombarding, is any one accused for that??

The truth is that there were crimes from both sides, but what it has in this case to do?

[General A.A.Vlasov]

KA:
XoxoJl is not "ukrainian worker" or ect. it is ukrainian ultra nationalist&#33;

And...xoxoJl, get the fuck out of here&#33; I don&#39;t want to read your crap&#33; And don&#39;t try to change the topic, moron&#33;

Raisa...oh, man&#33; Who am I see&#33;? A Feminist ( :wacko: )&#33;&#33;&#33; Hell...THIS IS NOT FEMINISTICAL TOPIC...so if you got nothing to say about yankee and albanian bastards - get out&#33;

Blackguard...Slovenia stood safe in 90s&#33; So you got nothing to tell us&#33; You haven&#39;t seen all of this&#33;
Yes, Miloshevich almost was a dictator, but not tyrant&#33;

[sh0cker]

What, no comments these days?

Maybe Albanian defensers "somehow" lost arguments, or our writings were useful :huh:

[Raisa]

Originally posted by [email protected] 23 2004, 05:22 PM
What, no comments these days?

Maybe Albanian defensers "somehow" lost arguments, or our writings were useful :huh:
:lol: nah... its not even like that. I just dont know what else to tell you. I for one, was not defending "albania", just hoping that we were not trying to blame an entire country of innocent people for what a couple of people are doing. I understand your points, dont get me wrong. I hope you understood mine.

[sh0cker]

Raisa no one is answering so I thought somehow you lost arguments..
We are accusing Albania and Albanian mafia, because their leaders "somehow" came on Kosovo in last few years. I don&#39;t denied that Albanians live there for very very long time, but their actual leaders don&#39;t even know Serbian, isn&#39; it shame?

If you will tell me that whole Kosovo is couple of them, OK then..

I saw you arguments that this is foult of Milosevic isn&#39;t it? or I missed something?

First of all clear your points so that I can understand yours, because you and couple of people "somehow" started talking about feminizm in a middle of this serious case.
And what do you think then if you don&#39;t defend Albanians, aprove or just accuse Serbs for it?

[sh0cker]

THank you for being involved specially these pro-Albanians&#33;
I see they stud up for a long time?&#33;

And sudenlly "misteriously" disapiard.

[commie kg]

I didn&#39;t dissapear, nor am I some kind of Albanian supremacist. I just got bored with this topic.

[Raisa]

Originally posted by commie [email protected] 27 2004, 06:48 PM
I didn&#39;t dissapear, nor am I some kind of Albanian supremacist. I just got bored with this topic.
I neither disappeared. I said what I need to say. Thank you all for your insight, have a good day.

[sh0cker]

Ohh.. Sorry, I thought here supose to be some arguing :)

I got it wrong..

[lutondave]

Yes!!!!!!!