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MiDnIgHtMaRaUdEr
19th March 2004, 19:26
How much right to free enterprise do you think people should have? Do you think it is ok for a family to grow oranges in their back yard and sell/trade them on their front lawn? Perhaps they want to use some more land, or hire people to pick the oranges for them? Perhaps they want to put other orange growers out of businuss and try and establish a monopoly on oranges in all the world? Where do we draw the line, and what laws should be put in place?
I think that an individual should be able to create and sell something, but their creation cannot have copyright protection, they do not get excused from doing socially necessary work (they still work 40 hours per week for the government), they can't hire anyone, their businuss cannot exceed the value of $100,000 without getting relocated to the public sector, their businuss gets no protection from the government and may be relocated to the public sector by the state without compensation if the government feels it necessary. Oranges are a bad example, because should be rationed to the people, but if someone feels the need, I think that the businuss should be limited to people selling their own oranges to their back yard.
What are your stances on the issue?
Dirty Commie
19th March 2004, 19:32
There's two ways to look at this. The communist view would be that they can't benefit from growing oranges because everything done must be for the common good of the community, so they would only grow them with spare time and donate them with no special compensation. But a moderate socialist would argue that as long as no one is exploited, and the sales are taxed properly, and the orange grower doesn't try to put other orange growers out of business that it would be ok.
I think that to a certain limit, people should be able to work extra to better their life compared to people who work the bare minimum amount to meet qiutoas and deadlines.
Capitalist Imperial
19th March 2004, 19:52
The only way to ensure to the collective advancement of mankind would be to maximize individual initiative and free enterprise. History shows us this.
The free market capitalism, competition, and individual acheivement that America encourages has yielded the most significant inventions and innovations that mankind has seen in the last 150 years. No nation has brought more to the world than the United states in the last 150 years, particularly in the 20th century, bar none.
That alone is evidence of Americas utter greatness.
Misodoctakleidist
19th March 2004, 20:02
There should be no market and therefore no free-enterprise.
Hoppe
19th March 2004, 21:55
Why isn't selling surplus oranges socially beneficial? If it wasn't, no one would buy them.
MiDnIgHtMaRaUdEr
19th March 2004, 22:52
Hmmm... I think clay pottery would be a better example. I doubt there would be state owned businusses that bother making something like those little artistic doojiggies that those potters or sculpters or molders or whatever the hell they are make. I can see room for such individual private enterprise. Granted everyone should be working for the state 40 hours per week, and everyone should be given only a very small wage on the side, and with all the other laws in place, it would be impossible for the private sector to get any larger then a few hobbiests peddling off their creations.
Don't Change Your Name
20th March 2004, 02:13
The only way to ensure to the collective advancement of mankind would be to maximize individual initiative and free enterprise. History shows us this.
The free market capitalism, competition, and individual acheivement that America encourages has yielded the most significant inventions and innovations that mankind has seen in the last 150 years. No nation has brought more to the world than the United states in the last 150 years, particularly in the 20th century, bar none.
That alone is evidence of Americas utter greatness.
So, basically, if you are born in yankeeland you inmediately become a great individual, only because the whole history benefitted them????
"Patriotism assumes that our globe is divided into little spots, each one surrounded by an iron gate. Those who had the fortune of being born on some particular spot, consider themselves better, nobler, grander, more intelligent than the living beings inhabiting any other spot. It is, therefore, the duty of everyone living on that chosen spot to fight, kill, and die in the attempt to impose his superiority upon all the others. The inhabitants of the other spots reason in like manner, of course..." - Emma Goldman
Don't Change Your Name
20th March 2004, 02:18
Anyway, I don't care if people "own" a "business" of such a style, because of the fact that money is something I wouldn't like to see anymore. You are free to do such things and maybe sell them to foreign areas or to tourists but around here you just have to give them for "free" (cost: working). Unless of course you sell them as I mentioned
MiDnIgHtMaRaUdEr
20th March 2004, 02:29
Well, money isn't something that I see just going a way. There needs to be something to encourage people to go out and seek specialized jobs that require years of education. I approve of Cuba's 1:8 wage system as far as that is concerned. (Minimum wage is 100 pesos/month, max is 800 pesos/month). which comes to around 5-40$ per month. Its almost nothing, but its 100% disposable income to spend in the country's miniscule private sector.
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