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19th March 2004, 18:01
from here (http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/B90497BA-C408-4E65-8ED7-5301CBBF841A.htm)


Thousands of Muslim Sunni and Shia gathered after Friday prayers in al-Adhamya and al-Kadhimya districts in Baghdad to demonstrate against the interim Iraqi constitution.

The demonstrations came on the eve of the first anniversary of the war on Iraq with the crowd swelling as more and more Iraqis joined in.

"Welcome to the blessed gathering, welcome to this demonstration." A voice chanted from among the crowds.

The Association of Muslim Scholars (AMS), the highest Sunni authority in Iraq organised the demonstration, which moved from Abu Hanifa mosque in the predominant Sunni district of al-Adhamya, to meet up with another demonstration organised by Shia clerics, scheduled to start from al-Kadhimya across the river Tigris.

Demonstrators chanted "Yes to Iraq, no to sectarianism, no to US occupation", in a bid to show the commitment to national unity among Iraq's various religions, sects, and ethnicities.

Mounting opposition

The Iraqi interim constitution has found little favour among many Iraqis, who describe it as a "time bomb" that might explode any minute leaving their country fractured.

Counsel Zaki Jamil Hafidh, chairman of the Arab Union of Jurists in Iraq has criticised the legislation saying that private interests motivated those who wrote the interim constitution.

"The constitution would be void if two thirds of voters in three Iraqi governorates vetoed it. It would have to be rewritten in this case" he said, "but this could be repeated over and over due to differences among Iraqi parties, and that means Iraq could stay without a constitution for an unknown period of time."

Mijbil al-Sheik Eissa also a member of the Arab Union of Jurists expressed grave fears over some clauses in the interim Iraqi constitution.

"The legislation installs the dictatorship of the majority instead of the one man show rule." Eissa said, "They named it interim but it stipulates that its rulings are obligatory to any future national assembly .....it is a product of an illegal authority and was rejected by popular and religious authorities in Iraq."

Partial enthusiasm

Fadhil Mohamed, an Iraqi lawyer, represents a trend that shows satisfaction with the new interim constitution. But he blames the occupation authorities for choosing the wrong time.

"The legislation gives Iraqis a chance to regain control over their issues until the permanent constitution is approved" Mohamed said, "but the Iraqi constitution in place before the occupation was good enough to rule in the interim period. It was derived from the constitutions of France and Egypt and Islamic Sharia."

"It would have been better for them to have concentrated their efforts on security.

"They could have relied on the old law for a while, but sadly they engaged themselves in writing a new constitution while the country is still in chaos, for instance the headquarters of Arab Union of Jurists in Iraq, of which I am a member was seized by al-Wifaq Islamic Party and we cannot get them out of it, because there is no real authority in the country" Mohamed said.

Religious authorities concerns

Religious authorities in Iraq, rejected the interim constitution signed by the 25 members of Iraq's US-appointed Governing Council on 8 March, 2003 in Baghdad.

The next day, the Iraq-based Iranian Shia authority Ayat Allah Ali al-Sistani criticised the one-day old constitution and issued a statement saying it could not be legitimate unless adopted by an elected governing body.

"Any law prepared for the transitional period will not gain legitimacy except after it is endorsed by an elected national assembly," al-Sistani said in the statement.

The AMS issued a statement in which it slammed the new constitution saying it did not meet the aspirations of Iraqi people.

"It consist of ambiguous articles that could spark future conflicts" the AMS statement said "the association will study the constitution and explain to Iraqi people how it serves the interests of the US and those who move in its orbit in the first place."

Iraq's neighbours

Saudi Arabia, Jordan, and Iran welcomed the signing of the document, while Turkey expressed unhappiness over the interim constitution, warning it would pave the way for more instability in the country.

"The interim law does not satisfy us, it increases our concerns," Turkey's Anatolia news agency quoted Justice Minister Cemil Cicek, as saying.

Turkey and Iraqi Muslim Shia are concerned over an article allowing Iraqi Kurds to block any future permanent constitution that does not meet their demands.

Capitalist Imperial
19th March 2004, 22:43
Any continuing insurgence by a misguided few holdouts who want to prevent democracy in Iraq will be dealt with by US and allied forces.

Nothing will stop a democratic Iraq. We will be there until the transition is complete, and a democratic government friendly to US interests is well-established.

These extemeists are only making it harder on themselves. They need to concede to prevent further bloodshed.

MiDnIgHtMaRaUdEr
19th March 2004, 22:55
Originally posted by Capitalist [email protected] 19 2004, 07:43 PM
Any continuing insurgence by a misguided few holdouts who want to prevent democracy in Iraq will be dealt with by US and allied forces.

Nothing will stop a democratic Iraq. We will be there until the transition is complete, and a democratic government friendly to US interests is well-established.

These extemeists are only making it harder on themselves. They need to concede to prevent further bloodshed.
Democratic and friendly to US interests are opposites FYI.

Capitalist Imperial
19th March 2004, 23:06
Originally posted by [email protected] 19 2004, 11:55 PM
Democratic and friendly to US interests are opposites FYI.
That is complete BS and you know it.

MiDnIgHtMaRaUdEr
19th March 2004, 23:11
Originally posted by Capitalist Imperial+Mar 19 2004, 08:06 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Capitalist Imperial @ Mar 19 2004, 08:06 PM)
[email protected] 19 2004, 11:55 PM
Democratic and friendly to US interests are opposites FYI.
That is complete BS and you know it. [/b]
You know damn well that if the Iraqis vote, they are going to put in a pro-Taliban Islamic fundamentalist government, and if it turns out that the US says "its friendly&#33;" then that means the have totally thrown up their hands up in the air on even remotely trying to fight any sort of "war on terror".

Capitalist Imperial
19th March 2004, 23:20
that won&#39;t happen

LuZhiming
20th March 2004, 01:19
Originally posted by Capitalist [email protected] 20 2004, 12:06 AM
That is complete BS and you know it.
Then how do you explain the relationship between Hugo Chavez and the U.S.?

synthesis
20th March 2004, 02:17
Originally posted by LuZhiming+Mar 20 2004, 02:19 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (LuZhiming @ Mar 20 2004, 02:19 AM)
Capitalist [email protected] 20 2004, 12:06 AM
That is complete BS and you know it.
Then how do you explain the relationship between Hugo Chavez and the U.S.? [/b]
It&#39;s quite simple. His head is firmly encased in the sand.

MiDnIgHtMaRaUdEr
20th March 2004, 02:18
Originally posted by Capitalist [email protected] 19 2004, 08:20 PM
that won&#39;t happen
Ok brilliant one, what will happen?

Y2A
20th March 2004, 02:25
Originally posted by MiDnIgHtMaRaUdEr+Mar 20 2004, 12:11 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (MiDnIgHtMaRaUdEr @ Mar 20 2004, 12:11 AM)
Originally posted by Capitalist [email protected] 19 2004, 08:06 PM

[email protected] 19 2004, 11:55 PM
Democratic and friendly to US interests are opposites FYI.
That is complete BS and you know it.
You know damn well that if the Iraqis vote, they are going to put in a pro-Taliban Islamic fundamentalist government, and if it turns out that the US says "its friendly&#33;" then that means the have totally thrown up their hands up in the air on even remotely trying to fight any sort of "war on terror". [/b]
That is why most people are for a Caucus-style voting system for protection of Iraqi minorities, you know, the same thing that several "communists" one these boards were calling "anti-democratic" for not being direct democracy. Tards.

MiDnIgHtMaRaUdEr
20th March 2004, 02:34
No matter how you try and finaggle the elections, the vote is going to come out in some form for the Shia Islamic fundamentalists. They have a +70% majority, and most of what is left belongs to Sunni fundamentalists. The forecast is not looking to bright for a secular government. I hate to pop any anarchist bubbles, but the only thing that could help the Iraqi people right now is a secular dictatorship.