Al qaida

[peaccenicked]

I must admit I dont know but I have the same suspicions as this fellow here (http://www.shiachat.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=27340) and I am not muslim.
High tech terrorism sounds to me like an American commodity.

[sh0cker]

Well, some kind of terrorism exist but particulary Osama bin Laden, hm.. I am suspicious about him.

[SittingBull47]

of course it exists. There's a tremendous network of al quida operatives. Stupid theocrats/fascists.

[Intifada]

most of the "terrorist" attacks against american and british troops in iraq are, in my opinion, not planned or carried out by the al qaeda network. they are nothing. since 9/11 2001, more "terrorist" groups have been fromed. i read somewhere that in iraq there are 30 resistance groups.

i also doubt that the latest madrid bombings were ordered by bin laden.

[Saint-Just]

It has been said that Al Quaeda is a very small group. It does get help from some intellectuals who have sympathy for the cause. It has been suggested that a lot of attacks are carried out by people who claim to have done them in the name of Al Quaeda.

[toastedmonkey]

Something that annoys me is news networks, they talk of Al Qaida all the time, but yet there has been no evidence shown to the public that Al Qaida exists, whatsoever.

It wouldnt be at all hard for U$, or any other government for that matter, to fabricate "evidence".

If it does exist, its probably a small group, but the imperialists will blame ALL terrorist attacks on Al Qaida, this makes them look like a massive network of terrorists, from which no one is safe, and it can be simplified into a "Good Vs Evil" arguement (to help bu$h understand obviously).

If there are terrorist activities all over the world which can be blames on one party it makes it seem very real.

[Urban Rubble]

Of course Al Qaeda exists. To the one that said there is "no evidence", you need to look a bit harder.

Obviously, the U.S ruling class exaggerates their size and probably blames them for alot of things they didn't do, but to say they don't exist is going much too far.

[Yazman]

toastedmonkey is right, there's no actual evidence that Al Qaeda even exists. The US government has never presented evidence to anybody. Neither has anybody else.

[(*]

We know it exists based on testimonies etc. from others who have been in contact with the organization.

Even if we were shown some evidence, we could (and will) question it by saying that it has been fabricated.

At some point, you have to take things at face value.


There used to be a time, prior to 9/11, when I thought that Bin Laden never even existed. He was created to be used as a scapegoat.

The past 3 years have obviously changed my thinking on that.

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To expand a little. How do we know that Eta exists? Or that Che existed?

[Severian]

Actually I think there is a question whether it still exists and operates as an organization. It was never very large. Bush claims that two-thirds of its leaders have been killed or captured - whether's that's true or not, certainly it's taken losses.

Recent bombings have been carried out by a range of disconnected groups, with ideas similar to al-Qaeda, sometimes calling themselves al-Qaeda.

This is acknowledged even in the big-business media at times...the way they put it is, that al-Qaeda is now an idea not an organisation.

The problem with this admission, for them, is that you can't kill ideas....

And Bush administration figures almost seem to be admitting that as well, by saying that they expect the "war on terrorism" may last decades...that's the best they can offer, decades of war.

[acg4_9]

al-quaeda came out after 1995 before that it was independent groups working localy meaning that every group worked alone.
osama bin laden was a billionare who headed to afghanistan with thousands of eslamics with the support from saudi arbia pakistan and the united satanic states to fight the USSR so he made connections from that time then when the USSR got out of afghanistane most of the islamics went back to there countries and those islamics are from more than 40 nations and in the mid 90s communications became easier so instead of planning localy it became globaly. so a union was established from the heads of all the islamic organisations in the world for example :
ayman elthowahery and abu elhafs were the head of the islamic groups in egypt.
sayf eladl one of the leaders of the islamic org in algeria.
elharthy one of the leaders of islamic org in yemen.
mulla omar the leader of taleban.
alturabi one of the islamic leaders in sudan.
alzarqawi one of the most wanted islamics in jordan and now in iraq.

now most of them had more than 20 years eperiance in under ground work and have thousands of loyal islamics add to them osama's money and connections and the sopport of hundereds of charity orgs we have Alquaeda.
but the most supporter of alquada is the US aggressive policy. every muslim killed and every house destroyed and every land burned creates a person that will ally anyone in order to get his revange.

now in iraq a lot of my friends who were socialists and ba'athists turned into quaeda lovers because they believe that it can support them in there holy war against the satanic allience because nobody else is.

god bless our freedom fighters
viva iraq viva palestine

[Monty Cantsin]

I think its like what happen with the jackal, after he became famous he started having every act of terror attributed to him.

[monkeydust]

It's a bit foolish to state that Al Qaeda doesn't exists whatsoever.

We do know that there is a group by the name, that they hate the West, the Bin Laden is (or was) a key member in the organisation etc.

There is at least some evidence that they exist, though, as others have rightly said, nearly all terrorist attacks outside of Israel these days tend to be attributed to Al Qaeda.

The evidence from Madrid for example, points towards Islamic fundementalists; not necessarily from Al Qaeda.

The evidence-

-Sightings of Arabic men involved in planting the bombs.
-The finding of a van in Madrid, containing more explosives, and a tape playing recorded exerpts from the Qu'ran.

What pointed towards Al-Qaeda eventually, was a tape of a man claiming they were responsible. Though the West actually admitted that they'd never seen or hard of this man (who claimed he was the director of Al Qaeda in Europe!)

Furthermore, many attributed the attack to Al-Qaeda simply because of the Islmaic nature of he terrorists involved.

It's important to remember that there are many Islmaic groups willing to attack the West, and that Islamic terrorsm is not necessarily instituted by Al-Qaeda.

Al-Qaeda does exist, though its significance has been greatly exaggerated.

[toastedmonkey]

I didnt say that the group didnt exist whatsoever
i said there is yet to be evidence shown to the public that the group exists

There is a differemce

Read the posts before replying

[monkeydust]

I apologize if I seemed a bit confrontational there.

I was not replying to your post at all, merely to the title of the thread which asked "does it exist?"

[Take the Power back]

At this point, Al Qaida seems to be the Bu$h administration's answer every time something gets blown up. It's easier than saying "we don't know who blew up the *insert building name here*" Just blame it on Al Qaida. Not that I am in support of Al Qaida, but we are being told of this massive group with ties everywhere, and in reality, it seems to be more of a loose collection of extremeists. However, whoever they are, I am totally against what they stand for, regardless of my hatred for Bu$h and what he has done in the Middle East this past year.

[Comrade BNS]

Ok first of all, going to the source this person has provided as evidence or claim that Al-Qaeda doens't exist.

This site is a Shi'ite discussion board. Al-Qaeda and Osamaa are strict Sunnis/Wahhabis, so of course this board is going to denounce and try and disprove the existance of Al-Qaeda.

And yes as other people have said Al-Qaeda does exist although it's influence and extent is somewhat exaggerated. Alot of attacks are linked to and are claimed by Al-Qaeda because of it's dominance of other major terrorist groups claiming a base in Islam. The triangle during the late 80's and 90's was Al-Qaeda in Arabia, The Muslim Brotherhood in the Maghreb and Maududi's various fundamentalist groups in the Indian Subcontinent. This has been extended to a group of 4 with Indonesia's Jamaat Islamia gaining a fair bit of support and prominence in the world's largest muslim community and surrounding regions.

so to claim that Al-Qaeda does not exist is a ludicrous idea!

Comrade BNS

[El Che]

Well, I don't know to what extent it exists but its certainly used as an excuse by Imperialist Pigs (registered trade mark) to get even fatter.

[toastedmonkey]

Originally posted by [email protected] 20 2004, 06:50 PM
I apologize if I seemed a bit confrontational there.

I was not replying to your post at all, merely to the title of the thread which asked "does it exist?"
sorry!
i was in pain!

anyway, i thought you were refereing to me as i used the phrase whatsoever and being confrentational isnt a bad thing!

[Neelie The Great]

Al Qaida does exsist, I think they are more powerful are more intlligent then what we think

[peaccenicked]

The existence of al qaida is a bit like a theological dispute. There are believers, but perhaps they are all members of Mossad (http://www.middle-east-online.com/english/?id=3544)

[Yazman]

Originally posted by (*@Mar 20 2004, 05:05 AM
We know it exists based on testimonies etc. from others who have been in contact with the organization.

Even if we were shown some evidence, we could (and will) question it by saying that it has been fabricated.

At some point, you have to take things at face value.


There used to be a time, prior to 9/11, when I thought that Bin Laden never even existed. He was created to be used as a scapegoat.

The past 3 years have obviously changed my thinking on that.

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To expand a little. How do we know that Eta exists? Or that Che existed?
Because there is actual evidence that he existed. Questioning the existence of Che is ridiculous, that's like questioning the existence of your parents, or questioning the existence of Elvis Presley, or something like that.

The difference is that there's no evidence Al Qaeda even exists. Now I'm not saying they don't exist, just that there's no evidence that they DO exist.

Also, to the person who said Bin Laden "hates the west", Bin Laden himself has never said that. He has always said that he hates the US because it supports Israel.

[(*]

Originally posted by Yazman+Mar 29 2004, 07:20 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Yazman @ Mar 29 2004, 07:20 AM)
(*@Mar 20 2004, 05:05 AM
We know it exists based on testimonies etc. from others who have been in contact with the organization.

Even if we were shown some evidence, we could (and will) question it by saying that it has been fabricated.

At some point, you have to take things at face value.


There used to be a time, prior to 9/11, when I thought that Bin Laden never even existed. He was created to be used as a scapegoat.

The past 3 years have obviously changed my thinking on that.

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To expand a little. How do we know that Eta exists? Or that Che existed?
Because there is actual evidence that he existed. Questioning the existence of Che is ridiculous, that&#39;s like questioning the existence of your parents, or questioning the existence of Elvis Presley, or something like that.

The difference is that there&#39;s no evidence Al Qaeda even exists. Now I&#39;m not saying they don&#39;t exist, just that there&#39;s no evidence that they DO exist.

Also, to the person who said Bin Laden "hates the west", Bin Laden himself has never said that. He has always said that he hates the US because it supports Israel. [/b]
In the sense that I have never met bin laden, and I have never met Che.

[yoshim]

I&#39;ve never really thought about that. I mean there has been so much stuff going on with Al queda that i just assumed it existed however thinking about it there really isn&#39;t any proof it exists.

[peaccenicked]

http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO109C.html


There is a little thing called the truth.

[cubist]

i am not a big consipracy theory person but us al&#39;qeada coalitions sounds unrealistic to me, i believe bush thinks he was doing the right thing i just think he and his crew are incapable of doing right

[peaccenicked]

I think there is definitely sinister afoot. This from the BBC&#39;s Newsnight. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/events/newsnight/1645527.stm
Was watergate a conspiracy? I believe that governments can be delibrately criminal.http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2002/05/103791.shtml

[Daria]

http://www.rksmb.ru/images/plakat/bush1.jpg