The liberation of Haiti [Archive]

Capitalist Imperial

18th March 2004, 19:14

I am very happy to see that the thug Aristide has been exiled from Haiti. He and his lavalas thugs were bad for a nation that was already at the bottom of latin american economics. Hopefully now, American and carribean interests will both be furthered by re-instilling some pride and power to the people of Haiti. Good job to the US military in extracting him from the nation. The people of Haiti are reported to be very pleased that the US id finally there to restore order to a nation that was in shambles from a regime that resulted from a sham election.

Guy phillipe is a good candidate to re-establish a hatian military friendly to American interests, so that our sphere of influence can be extended even further into the carribean, for the good of all people. We must route out the rest of the lavalas holdouts, and re-establish a government that works in haiti. We have many businesses of American origin that need to get up and running again.

Again, american righteousness prevails, and we are happy to help the world move towards adopting more democratic and free ideals.

MiDnIgHtMaRaUdEr

18th March 2004, 22:37

Why aren't you banned yet?

Capitalist Imperial

18th March 2004, 23:28

Shut up you insolent leftist filth.

I was here shaking down commie pukes and delivering the truth to pinko gadflys long before you even knew about this site. I've made my triumphant return so I can continue to endorse the United States and it's benevolent policies, actions, and acheivements which have benefited all of mankind more than any previous empire ever has. Keep that in mind next time you are on your PC (American invention) and on the internet (another American invention).

So step off!!!

Y2A

18th March 2004, 23:32

Ha CI reminds me of Sam Adams.

Sabocat

18th March 2004, 23:35

American and carribean interests will both be furthered by re-instilling some pride and power to the people of Haiti.

Again another post showing the stupidity of the right. So when a duly elected leader just happens to be someone the U.$. doesn't like, that makes it okay to remove him?

Yeah, Haiti was much better off under Baby Doc and Papa Doc Duvalier. Our "sphere of influence" as you put it, is what is responsible for the suffering of the population.

The only interest the U.$. has in Haiti is as a third world labor pool to exploit, and a strategic location to fuck around with Cuba from.

fucking halfwit.

Sabocat

18th March 2004, 23:37

Ha CI reminds me of Sam Adams.

He reminds me of a piss warm Budwieser. :lol:

apathy maybe

18th March 2004, 23:39

Here I was thinking that Cuba was bottom of the pile in everthing in Latin America. Oh wait, not only does (SOCIALIST) Cuba have a better health and education system then Latin America, there are (correct me if I'm wrong on this one) more Doctors per person then in the USA (or at least more chance of seeing a doctor. There is also a much fairer distribution of wealth (what's the multiple between the lowest paid and the highest paid jobs? 10 times?).

Oh so it was true that the rebels were sponsered by the US. I thought that was just a story. Oh well, I guess I'll go back to believing most of Green-Left Weekly. It was interesting while it lasted though (my not believing them that is).

Capitalist Imperial

19th March 2004, 00:00

Originally posted by [email protected] 19 2004, 12:35 AM

Again another post showing the stupidity of the right. So when a duly elected leader just happens to be someone the U.$. doesn't like, that makes it okay to remove him?

Yeah, Haiti was much better off under Baby Doc and Papa Doc Duvalier. Our "sphere of influence" as you put it, is what is responsible for the suffering of the population.

The only interest the U.$. has in Haiti is as a third world labor pool to exploit, and a strategic location to fuck around with Cuba from.

fucking halfwit.

"Again another post showing the stupidity of the right. So when a duly elected leader just happens to be someone the U.$. doesn't like, that makes it okay to remove him? "

Do you mean a corrupt thug that stole the election? (don't bother claiming bush did the same thing, I've telegraphed that claim from your simple and predictable leftist mind from a mile away), the US took steps to liberate an oppressed nation, and I commend their decision.

"Yeah, Haiti was much better off under Baby Doc and Papa Doc Duvalier. Our "sphere of influence" as you put it, is what is responsible for the suffering of the population."

Our sphere of influence benefits the American people and the good of the world overall.

"The only interest the U.$. has in Haiti is as a third world labor pool to exploit, and a strategic location to fuck around with Cuba from. "

It is true that we are interested in a mutually beneficial arrangement that would enable manufacturing cost efficiencies through economical labor, while providing a nation in need with an economic cornestone to help them establish a foothold in the global economy

"fucking halfwit."

right back at you, sweetcakes

SittingBull47

19th March 2004, 15:27

wow. my god. i thought pigs that big were extinct.
I must say, Capitalist Imperial, you sure do have some crazy views that can only be contributed to brainwashing or being sexually abused by george bush.

Capitalist Imperial

19th March 2004, 16:20

Originally posted by [email protected] 19 2004, 04:27 PM
wow. my god. i thought pigs that big were extinct.
I must say, Capitalist Imperial, you sure do have some crazy views that can only be contributed to brainwashing or being sexually abused by george bush.
An ad-hoc blanket attack not worthy of a comprehensive reply

Urban Rubble

19th March 2004, 17:24

And I bet you were cheering your troops on when they put Aristide in power, right ? Are you really so simple that you can't even remember a few years ago when we put this thug in power ?

Again, american righteousness prevails, and we are happy to help the world move towards adopting more democratic and free ideals.

Good Lord, you're so far gone it's almost funny. I mean, being pro America is one thing, but you're a fucking drone. These phrases you use sound like something Condoleeza Rice and John Ashcroft cooked up after a long night of drinking.

He reminds me of a piss warm Budwieser.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Capitalist Imperial

19th March 2004, 19:37

[Rubble,Mar 19 2004, 06:24 PM]

"And I bet you were cheering your troops on when they put Aristide in power, right ? Are you really so simple that you can't even remember a few years ago when we put this thug in power?"

Yes, I was, as at that time it was in America's best interest to have him in a position of power there. Hey, things change, even a trite mind like yours can comprehend that, right Einstein? Unlike weak leftist scum like you, I understand that the stage of world politics is a dynamic and organic one, and alliances and interests shift. It is the nations that can most quickly react to such changes and adjust policy accordingly that will continue to maintain and expand their sphere of influence and interests. However, I concede, this is something that a pinko puke like you does not concieve. Communism never was a very dynamic ideology.

"fucking drone. These phrases you use sound like something Condoleeza Rice and John Ashcroft cooked up after a long night of drinking."

I will accept it as a compliment to be compared to those great and righteous champions of democracy and freedom. However, I do acknowledge that coming from you it is supposed to be some sort of insult. Perhaps next time instead of using some easy ad-hoc attack and merely dismissing me as a "drone", you can come up with a more comprehensive response, otherwise, I really won't give your weak leftist commentary any consideration.

shyguywannadie

19th March 2004, 20:59

The WorldWideWeb was created by the UK.
WWW (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/3357073.stm)

The EU and the much respected Nelson Mandela disagree with you capitalist imperial, they say that the greatest threat to world peace the USA.

Which country poses the greatest danger to world peace in 2003?

North Korea
6.7 %
Iraq
6.3 %
The United States
86.9 %

Total Votes Cast: 706842
Time Magazine (http://www.time.com/time/europe/gdml/peace2003.html)
Nelson Mandela Vs USA (http://www.pl.net/9politics/nelman.htm)
EU Vs USA (http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?click_id=22&art_id=qw1067902921541B221&set_id=1)

Urban Rubble

19th March 2004, 21:53

Yes, I was, as at that time it was in America's best interest to have him in a position of power there.

So, you admit that you put Americans over all other people's ? How can you say we are "liberating" Haiti, as if it is some kind of humanitarian effort, and the in the next post admit that you only care about American intrests ?

If you would just admit that you're an xenophobic, nationalist zealot we could move on.

Capitalist Imperial

19th March 2004, 22:34

Originally posted by [email protected] 19 2004, 09:59 PM
The WorldWideWeb was created by the UK.
WWW (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/3357073.stm)

The EU and the much respected Nelson Mandela disagree with you capitalist imperial, they say that the greatest threat to world peace the USA.

Which country poses the greatest danger to world peace in 2003?

North Korea
6.7 %
Iraq
6.3 %
The United States
86.9 %

Total Votes Cast: 706842
Time Magazine (http://www.time.com/time/europe/gdml/peace2003.html)
Nelson Mandela Vs USA (http://www.pl.net/9politics/nelman.htm)
EU Vs USA (http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?click_id=22&art_id=qw1067902921541B221&set_id=1)
Let me clarify:

The "world wide web" is just a subroutine of the actual internet, which is a derivative of the US Defense Intelligence Network, which was created by the US Defense department as a means to communicate and source information in the event of a nuclear holocaust.

Without the internet, there would be no WWW

I stand by my assertion, the USA invented the internet.

How nice of the BBC to forget to mention all of this.

As for Nelson Mandela and the EU, its no big epiphany that the USA is not popular with everyone right now, but, hey, the world's greatest empires have always provoked controversy.

And, quite frankly, I think it is rather ostensible than most Americans really don't care what a lot of the world thinks of us (especially freaking Mandela).

We are leaders, not followers.

MiDnIgHtMaRaUdEr

19th March 2004, 22:58

FREAKING MANDELA?! This is the man who was sent to prison for years for speaking out against the racist apartheid system in South Africa! HOW DARE YOU SPEAK AGAINST HIM YOU RACIST PIG!!!

Capitalist Imperial

19th March 2004, 23:10

Originally posted by [email protected] 19 2004, 11:58 PM
FREAKING MANDELA?! This is the man who was sent to prison for years for speaking out against the racist apartheid system in South Africa! HOW DARE YOU SPEAK AGAINST HIM YOU RACIST PIG!!!
I fail to see how my comment is racist. This is typical leftist logic. If I just mention the name of a non-white, and no mater what i say, I'm racist?

Please point out the constituent of my commentary that was racist.

MiDnIgHtMaRaUdEr

19th March 2004, 23:52

Nelson Mandela was the man who fought for racial equality in South America, and to speak against him is like speaking against racial equality, just as if you felt like calling who cares what freaking Martin Luther King thinks?

Is profiling discriminatory?

Please pause a moment, reflect back, and take the following Multiple
Choice test.
(The events are cuts from history. They actually happened! Do you
remember?).

1. In 1972 at the Munich Olympics, athletes were kidnapped and
massacred by:
a. Olga Corbitt
b. Sitting Bull
c. Arnold Schwartzeneger
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

2. In 1979, the U.S. embassy in Iran was taken over by:
a. Lost Norwegians
b. Elvis
c. A tour bus full of 80-year-old women
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40.

3. During the 1980's a number of Americans were kidnapped in Lebanon
by:
a. John Dillinger
b. The King of Sweden
c. The Boy Scouts
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

4. In 1983, the U.S. Marine barracks in Beirut was blown up by:
a. A pizza delivery boy
b. Pee Wee Herman
c. Geraldo Rivera
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

5. In 1985 the cruise ship Achille Lauro was hijacked and a 70 year
old American passenger was murdered and thrown overboard in his
wheelchair by:
a. The Smurfs
b. Davy Jones
c. The Little Mermaid
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

6. In 1985 TWA flight 847 was hijacked at Athens, and a U.S. Navy
diver trying to rescue passengers was murdered by:
a. Captain Kid
b. Charles Lindberg
c. Mother Teresa
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

7. In 1988, Pan Am Flight 103 was bombed by:
a. Scooby Doo
b. The Tooth Fairy
c. Butch Cassidy and The Sundance Kid
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

8. In 1993 the World Trade Center was bombed the first time by:
a. Richard Simmons
b. Grandma Moses
c. Michael Jordan
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

9. In 1998, the U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania were bombed by:
a. Mr. Rogers
b. Hillary, to distract attention from Wild Bill' s women problems
c. The World Wrestling Federation
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

10. On 9/11/01, four airliners were hijacked; two were used as
missiles to take out the World Trade Centers and of the remaining two,
one crashed into the US Pentagon and the other was diverted to a crash
by the passengers. Thousands of people were killed by:
a. Bugs Bunny, Wiley E. Coyote, Daffy Duck and Elmer Fudd
b. The Supreme Court of Florida
c. Howdy Doody
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

11. In 2002 the United States fought a war in Afghanistan against:
a. Enron
b. The Lutheran Church
c. The NFL
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

12. In 2002 reporter Daniel Pearl was kidnapped and murdered by:
a. Bonny and Clyde
b. Captain Kangaroo
c. Billy Graham
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

More proof you are racist.

Capitalist Imperial

20th March 2004, 00:05

One's history as a perceived humanitarian champion does not exempt them from criticism or mandate my respect.

the quote that you used from me regarding male muslims between 17-40 is pure fact.

MiDnIgHtMaRaUdEr

20th March 2004, 00:18

I could make just as strong of a case against white christians you know.

LuZhiming

20th March 2004, 01:13

Right, the U.S. has replaced the "thug" Aristide with mass murderers? Liberation indeed.

By the way to people who said it: The U.S. did not ever put Aristide in power, and Aristide's election was perfectly fair.

Don't Change Your Name

20th March 2004, 02:39

If you like exploiting, controlling, and "extending influence" on other countries then you have just proven that you are the stereotype of the blind patriot who thinks he can just go and enslave all the African people or rape every single non-yankee woman just because of his nationality.

We are leaders, not followers.

I don't recognise you as a leader. And by the way you only happen to be "leaders" just because you spend millions on your damn army. How can a country which does that and loves capitalism so much claim that they use it to give "humanitarian aid" and "democracy"? That doesn't seem very profitable. Inefficient cappies! :rolleyes:

Guy phillipe is a good candidate to re-establish a hatian military friendly to American interests, so that our sphere of influence can be extended even further into the carribean, for the good of all people.

of course, for the good of all people who happens to live in your stupid country! Who do you think you are to go and impose things on other countries?

lucid

20th March 2004, 04:10

Originally posted by El Infiltr(A)[email protected] 20 2004, 03:39 AM
If you like exploiting, controlling, and "extending influence" on other countries then you have just proven that you are the stereotype of the blind patriot who thinks he can just go and enslave all the African people or rape every single non-yankee woman just because of his nationality.

We are leaders, not followers.

I don't recognise you as a leader. And by the way you only happen to be "leaders" just because you spend millions on your damn army. How can a country which does that and loves capitalism so much claim that they use it to give "humanitarian aid" and "democracy"? That doesn't seem very profitable. Inefficient cappies! :rolleyes:

Guy phillipe is a good candidate to re-establish a hatian military friendly to American interests, so that our sphere of influence can be extended even further into the carribean, for the good of all people.

of course, for the good of all people who happens to live in your stupid country! Who do you think you are to go and impose things on other countries?
Your lack of recognition doesn't change fact.
Russia was much more "..efficient" with the way they spent millions on their army. We wouldn't have to spend so much on millitary if we didn't have to constantly battle freedom hating people like yourself.
This inefficient and unprofitable country has one of, if not the highest, standard of living in the world.

SittingBull47

20th March 2004, 13:12

Originally posted by Capitalist [email protected] 19 2004, 08:37 PM

"And I bet you were cheering your troops on when they put Aristide in power, right ? Are you really so simple that you can't even remember a few years ago when we put this thug in power?"

Yes, I was, as at that time it was in America's best interest to have him in a position of power there. ...
Oh, i see. So whatever America wants at a certain time is what you're bound to believe and hope for. Even give your life for if your serious about your beliefs. So then a couple years later America totally goes back and reverses it's policy on the man they bullied into power, like it never happened.

You sound like one of the the many sheeps in 1984, at one moment the country is at war with another, then they join forces and attack a different country. All of a sudden that's correct.

Whatever is in America's best interest is in your best interest, eh CI?

:blink: :P :lol:

Don't Change Your Name

20th March 2004, 16:51

Originally posted by [email protected] 20 2004, 05:10 AM
Your lack of recognition doesn't change fact.
Russia was much more "..efficient" with the way they spent millions on their army. We wouldn't have to spend so much on millitary if we didn't have to constantly battle freedom hating people like yourself.
This inefficient and unprofitable country has one of, if not the highest, standard of living in the world.
One of the typical ways you cappies have to try to beat "leftists": that we are all "soviet totalitarian authoritarian anti-freedom stalin-loving insane communists". I always criticize the USSR for spending so much on the army, because they only wanted to get allies and because they weren't in such a situation that would allow them to just change the world. And yankeeland keeps spending a lot in the military, and there is no "evil empire" anymore!
Then you post another classical argument: that you cappies represent "freedom". HAHAHAHAHAHA!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:
Yeah sure, because people had the freedom to pick Pinochet, Musharraf, Saddam Hussein, and thousands other puppets that they use. You only care about the freedoms that benefit you.

You completely missed the point of my message. I didn't say that yankeeland was inefficient (but there's still poverty!), I'm just criticizing their attitude of spending so much money on the army to install "freedom and democracy" in the rest of the world, while their defend a system where the individuals only care about themselves. Cappies claim to support a "minimal state", but they strengthen the army using the taxpayers money! For some reason, something as "inefficient" as spending on foreign underdeveloped countries' freedoms which shouldn't be really profitable considering that they think they are making charity becomes their priority. How can such a thing be explained? Easy: they have economical interests on such countries!
It wont matter if their bombs kill everyone, there will still be a lot of resources over there once they bring "liberty" those who survive, that private corporations will be willing to take! I can't really blame the yankee government, it's the obvious thing they have to do, otherwise no corporation would finance their campaigns. It's a very obvious thing. That's their intention. If it wouldn't, then they would be contradicting themselves. And we shouldn't forget how private corporations support such interventions.

(edited some typos)

Urban Rubble

20th March 2004, 18:16

I am still waiting for a reply to my post CI.

And MM, saying that he's racist because he critisized Nelson mandela is beyond stupid. Your logic never fails to amaze.

Invader Zim

20th March 2004, 23:55

Originally posted by Capitalist Imperial+Mar 19 2004, 11:34 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Capitalist Imperial @ Mar 19 2004, 11:34 PM)
[email protected] 19 2004, 09:59 PM
The WorldWideWeb was created by the UK.
WWW (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/3357073.stm)

The EU and the much respected Nelson Mandela disagree with you capitalist imperial, they say that the greatest threat to world peace the USA.

Which country poses the greatest danger to world peace in 2003?

North Korea
6.7 %
Iraq
6.3 %
The United States
86.9 %

Total Votes Cast: 706842
Time Magazine (http://www.time.com/time/europe/gdml/peace2003.html)
Nelson Mandela Vs USA (http://www.pl.net/9politics/nelman.htm)
EU Vs USA (http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?click_id=22&art_id=qw1067902921541B221&set_id=1)
Let me clarify:

The "world wide web" is just a subroutine of the actual internet, which is a derivative of the US Defense Intelligence Network, which was created by the US Defense department as a means to communicate and source information in the event of a nuclear holocaust.

Without the internet, there would be no WWW

I stand by my assertion, the USA invented the internet.

How nice of the BBC to forget to mention all of this.

As for Nelson Mandela and the EU, its no big epiphany that the USA is not popular with everyone right now, but, hey, the world's greatest empires have always provoked controversy.

And, quite frankly, I think it is rather ostensible than most Americans really don't care what a lot of the world thinks of us (especially freaking Mandela).

We are leaders, not followers. [/b]
Ohh right you want to go back and say that the foundation of the WWW was American, well if we go back even further, to the dawn of the computer age, notice that the first programable computer ever build was British, with out which there would be no internet or networking systems at all.

Your argument's lame dude, whats happened, not gone soft have you?

the world's greatest empires have always provoked controversy.

LOL you compair the great empires, the basis of all modern civilisation, with the USA...! Dude, lets take the last big empire GB, the USA is neither as militrily dominant as she was in the peek of her power, culturaly advanced, or economically powerful. And thats the british, and we aren't exactly noted for our culture etc.

We are leaders, not followers.

Some of you certainly, the majority however are sheep.

Capitalist Imperial

25th March 2004, 19:49

Ohh right you want to go back and say that the foundation of the WWW was American, well if we go back even further, to the dawn of the computer age, notice that the first programable computer ever build was British, with out which there would be no internet or networking systems at all.

I agree, the 1st programmable computer was pretty much british, but the US made the personal computer, which is what really led the way to the modern digital age. However, the internet itself came from the USA, undoubtedly.

LOL you compair the great empires, the basis of all modern civilisation, with the USA...! Dude, lets take the last big empire GB, the USA is neither as militrily dominant as she was in the peek of her power, culturaly advanced, or economically powerful. And thats the british, and we aren't exactly noted for our culture etc.

LOL, you can't compare these 2 empires, they are from different periods in time, its all relative. If you want to compare them, then I will simply state that the USA has a much higher GDP, and more economic influence over the world, and a much stronger and advanced military than the british ever did. Not only this, but we defeated the british empire when we were mere colonists. Also, 1 US aircraft carrier could decimate the entire british Navy at the time. Not only do I compare America to History's great empires, but I submit that it is the single greatest empire in thew history of the world, bar none.

Some of you certainly, the majority however are sheep.

That is only true to the extent that most of the world's people are sheep. Thais is not a characteristic common or specific to Americans. Every nation has sheep, and every nation has free thinkers.

Capitalist Imperial

25th March 2004, 20:06

Originally posted by Urban [email protected] 19 2004, 10:53 PM
So, you admit that you put Americans over all other people's ? How can you say we are "liberating" Haiti, as if it is some kind of humanitarian effort, and the in the next post admit that you only care about American intrests ?

If you would just admit that you're an xenophobic, nationalist zealot we could move on.

So, you admit that you put Americans over all other people's ? How can you say we are "liberating" Haiti, as if it is some kind of humanitarian effort, and the in the next post admit that you only care about American intrests ?

I believe that America has done what pretty much every other nation in world history has done, but we just happen to be the best at it right now.

If the liberation of haiti happens to be an incidental benefit to these policies, so be it. The important thing is that these actions benefit America and Americans, which I am very content with. So, as a patriot who believes in his nation and all it has done for me, yes, of course I put America over other nations, and I make no apologies for it. This great empire of acheivers and vision has given me an excellent life and a great way of life, and I appreciate it immensely. American interests are my interests, and thus they are paramount. The sooner freedom-hating fundamentalists and cutie pie holdouts realize this, the sooner they can jump on the team and share the big win.

If you would just admit that you're an xenophobic, nationalist zealot we could move on.

I call it a Patriot, and again, I make no apologies for it. I give back to this nation what it has given me, a comfortable life and excellent character.

Osman Ghazi

25th March 2004, 20:16

Not only this, but we defeated the british empire when we were mere colonists.

Ummm... actually the French and Spanish defeated the British with a little bit of American help. For someone who claims greatness you are remarkably stupid.

I love when imperialists start talking about their excellant moral character.

A question CI, do you seriously believe what you say or are just trolling?

EDit: Also, Aristide is hardly a thug. The 'disputed' elections which America uses to justify it's invasion of Haiti consisted of about 7 senatorial seats, hardly enough to gain a stranglehold on Haitian politics (which, having almost 80% of the vote, Aristide already had.) The so-called disputes were resolved by the Haitian courts in mere weeks after the legislative elections.

Capitalist Imperial

25th March 2004, 20:27

Originally posted by Osman [email protected] 25 2004, 09:16 PM

Not only this, but we defeated the british empire when we were mere colonists.

Ummm... actually the French and Spanish defeated the British with a little bit of American help. For someone who claims greatness you are remarkably stupid.

I love when imperialists start talking about their excellant moral character.

A question CI, do you seriously believe what you say or are just trolling?

EDit: Also, Aristide is hardly a thug. The 'disputed' elections which America uses to justify it's invasion of Haiti consisted of about 7 senatorial seats, hardly enough to gain a stranglehold on Haitian politics (which, having almost 80% of the vote, Aristide already had.) The so-called disputes were resolved by the Haitian courts in mere weeks after the legislative elections.

Ummm... actually the French and Spanish defeated the British with a little bit of American help. For someone who claims greatness you are remarkably stupid.

Besides the fact that this statement is mostly an ad-hoc attack, it is grossly obvious that you are a leftist gadfly that will make any unsupported blanket statement to take away from American achievement. Your minimizing the continental Army's role in the revolution is a typical and pathetic (let alone ignorant) ploy to minimize credit to America. However, I'm not surprised, as it is evident that you resort to ad-hoc personal attacks more than empirical observation or comprehensive analysis in an argument.

Osman Ghazi

25th March 2004, 21:01

What is with you and calling everyone's 'attacks' ad hoc?

How about this one: Your mom is ad hoc, your dad is ad hoc, your ideology is ad hoc and your stinking fucking America is ad hoc.

Are you even aware of the meaning of that word? Let's turn to our good friend the dictionary:

For the specific purpose, case, or situation at hand and for no other: a committee formed ad hoc to address the issue of salaries.

adj.
Formed for or concerned with one specific purpose: an ad hoc compensation committee.

So we see that yes, my 'attacks' as you call them were ad hoc in that they were created with the explicit intention of insulting a certain douchebag by the name of capitalist imperial.

Also, id like to point out that your 'attacks' were also ad hoc becuase they created with the express purpose of countering my point.

That being said, yes, i was trying to downplay the contribution of the Continental Army but only because you were trying to up-play its contribution. Also, id like to point out that your argument has even less 'comprehensive analysis' than mine.

In conclusion, read a book on American histroy other than texts like fucking the American Experiment and other stupid crap-filled books that must have already filled your head with distorted or made-up information you fucking freedom-hating fascist.

elijahcraig

30th March 2004, 06:10

Assuming you’re serious, I’ll debate this:

I am very happy to see that the thug Aristide has been exiled from Haiti.

Proof please.

He and his lavalas thugs were bad for a nation that was already at the bottom of latin american economics.

Do you think this had something to do with the incessant need the US apparently had to bomb, occupy, forge coups in, and establish hegemony in Haiti? Or is it merely an innate quality of the Haitian people. The latter is racist; the former logical and rationally coherent.

Hopefully now, American and carribean interests will both be furthered by re-instilling some pride and power to the people of Haiti.

By “interests” I assume you mean the leaders of the coup and the owners of large conglomerates in the US?

Good job to the US military in extracting him from the nation.

Yes, I’m quite sure it’s another “victory” to the great Heroes of the American Way of Life and Defenders of Democracy…etc., it’s like the time they honored Norkus in Nazi Germany.

The people of Haiti are reported to be very pleased that the US id finally there to restore order to a nation that was in shambles from a regime that resulted from a sham election.

Which people? The Northern and more wealthy part of the country or the poor and desolate South which supported Aristide?

What report? Did Dick Cheney send you an email? I was left out in the cold. I do know of the reinstitution of the military and the police force being heightened in order to “weed out dissidents’, etc.

Guy phillipe is a good candidate to re-establish a hatian military friendly to American interests, so that our sphere of influence can be extended even further into the carribean, for the good of all people.

He is a good candidate if you think in the Capitalist mantra of “All to Big Business.” Any sane individual with some kind of grasp of morality or international law would consider what you just stated an absurdity and an immoral judgement.

We must route out the rest of the lavalas holdouts, and re-establish a government that works in haiti.

Duvalier? YEAH, that worked…

We have many businesses of American origin that need to get up and running again.

Well.

Again, american righteousness prevails, and we are happy to help the world move towards adopting more democratic and free ideals.

Idiot.

Ã‘Ã³ẊÃ®Ã¶ŉ

30th March 2004, 12:11

Xvall

30th March 2004, 21:58

I liked you more before you started sounding like rome. <_<

Ã‘Ã³ẊÃ®Ã¶ŉ

31st March 2004, 09:16

What do you mean?

How have I ever sounded like an italian city?

Xvall

31st March 2004, 22:48

I'm talking about CI.

El Tipo

1st April 2004, 06:33

All I know is this, these so-called "Freedom, Liberty & Democracy" hypocrites dont know shit from shit. Like Bush, hes worse than Osama Bin Laden(~same). I bet Bush doesnt know anything about the teachings of Jesus, its just propaganda. Osama Bin Laden tells to hes _terrorists_ that they'll get to paradise if they blow up some buildings and themselves, well Bush is the same "God told me to strike iraq and so I did".. okay.. what does this mean?.. Condoleezza Rice/Colin Powell or whatever is god?! Please they should really start telling the truth: "We need the money, and money = oil = money". Like I saw this document few days ago and I got BIT dissapointed when I heard that when U$ forces "won the war" and Bush stated that its over.. well the first thing that the U$ troops protected was the oil ministry or so... I just hate all those lies and all those empty promises.

PS. Im atheist but I like the story in the bible. My english is ~average hope you get the point, my first "big post".

Capitalist Imperial

2nd April 2004, 23:55

Let me just say this:

I hate america. Now just because I have strong feelings does not invalidate my position. I hate the american gov. and it's stupid, arrogant policies that bring nothing but death, misery and hate to ordinary people outside the US, and benefits only bloodsucking megacorporations to whom profit is the only morality.

Hey, I have some news for you. We really don't give a care what you think of us. We answer to no one, and need no one's approval. Besides, it is good that at least you have an opinion of the USA. Wales is not even worth an opinion. It is sort of like the armpit of Europe, right? I would rather be of a nation that is under scrutiny than a nation that doesn't really matter in the first place. Your nation is a benign, trite little chunk of mud in an already weak region of the globe So you, sir, can eat it.

I hate US culture, it's vomit inducing, aneamic, insipid and facile. American popstars are brainless two-bit preachers of watery love songs and wishy-washy boyhood fantasies. American junk food is simply diabolical.

Yeah, thinkgs like rock and roll, hip-hop, funk, jazz, blues, bluegrass, pop, and pretty much every other form of modern music that the world enjoys is trite, correct? You must listen to only classical, because anything originating in the 20th century is pretty much american, so throw away all of your modern CD's Oh, by the way, I hope that you don't have a TV, radio or a telephone, they are american too. Oh, and the internet that you are using now? As american invention, as is the personal computer you are sitting in front of, so make sure you log off and throw it all out. Oh, did I mention modern cinema? Wow, American culture sure hasn't done anything for us, has it?

And "American junkfood"? I'll bet you dollars to donuts that it is 100 times what Welch Cuisine (a contradiction in terms in the 1st place) is. I'll take A double quarter w/ cheese, super-size fries, and a coke over boiled beef and haggis any day of the week. How are you going to compare American food, in all of its fried glory, to food from the British Isles? You people are notorious for horrible, bland cuisine. Besides, I guarantee that there are more and better world class resturaunts in New York city alone than all of Wales.

And the worst thing about US 'culture' is the way it is so gleefully spread about the globe, to the detriment of whatever local customs and peculiarities where there before.

No one is holding a gun to locals' heads forcing them to "be american". American culture spreads because people happen to like it. You are merely angry because you don't happen to like it, while many other people obviously do. And if you mean by " Local peculiar customs" you mean things like the outlawing of laughing, kite-flying, and the forbidding the educating of women, we are happy to replace those with more modern, benevolent ideals. Oh, and introducing a population to deoderant is a good thing. We are still trying to get the french to try it though.

Some people may object, but the americans I have met in real life I hate too. They seem to have inherited the irritating English habit of assuming every foreigner speaks English, display a flagrant disregard and ignorance of local traditions, and complain about the lack of McDonalds and KFC in national parks and nature reserves. There's only one people worse than americans, and that is americans on holiday.

Again, we don't care, your opinion means little to us, actually, more like nothing to us. Eat a fat one. We lead, we don't follow, and your meaningless scutiny is just the same old stereotypical babble common among second-rate worlkld citizens. And once again, get rid of the boiled pig intestines and I won't look so hard for a taco bell.

Jealousy: Among the most predictable reactions of leftist pukes towards America

You capitalist imperial, are the perfect example of a Yankee twit!

I love you too, sweet-cheeks!

El Che

3rd April 2004, 03:32

CI, don't you get tired of cheering for america? Can't you see that is about as interesting as cheering for a sports team? Its the same, base, thing. Maybe you should expand your horizons a little bit and starting thinking about more important things. Patriotism is just emotional manipulation.

El Che

3rd April 2004, 03:40

El Che

3rd April 2004, 03:41

elijahcraig

3rd April 2004, 13:43

Yeah, thinkgs like rock and roll, hip-hop, funk, jazz, blues, bluegrass, pop, and pretty much every other form of modern music that the world enjoys is trite, correct? You must listen to only classical, because anything originating in the 20th century is pretty much american, so throw away all of your modern CD's Oh, by the way, I hope that you don't have a TV, radio or a telephone, they are american too.

Considering most of those kinds of music have either been from Africa or have been directly influenced by Varese, Stravinsky, etc., other experimental classical composers (not American), saying that it “originated” in America is not correct. America is a big collage of a lot of different genres, but it has invented spontanteously some as well—not the ones you mentioned.

No one is holding a gun to locals' heads forcing them to "be american". American culture spreads because people happen to like it.

This isn’t necessarily true.

It is because corporations set up as headmen of the country in the third world and establish dictators for allies.

Although I’m not saying that American culture may not be wanted by some people. I’m sure they don’t like the monopolization.

Local peculiar customs" you mean things like the outlawing of laughing, kite-flying, and the forbidding the educating of women, we are happy to replace those with more modern, benevolent ideals.

YOUR government is happy with these things as long as they help them attain their goals (ie, empire, corporate control, oil, etc.). Moujadeen were called “freedom fighters,” when they were fighting our “enemies” (those we isolated in order to arrange oil connection of government in Iran and other places), and they hated women wearing shorts then too.

To say that any Imperialist country “liberates” or “democratizes” anyone is to completely misunderstand the entire history of the modern world (and before for the most part).

We lead, we don't follow,

FALSE. We’re following very nicely in line with many of the same brand: Great Britain and Rome notably.

And why did you skip my post?