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Sean Reynolds
17th March 2004, 23:29
Kerry Doesn't Share Dean's View on Spain

By NEDRA PICKLER, Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON - Presidential candidate John Kerry said Wednesday he does not share fellow Democrat Howard Dean's position that President Bush's decision to send troops to Iraq appears to have been a factor in the Spanish train bombing.


The chairman of Bush's re-election campaign called on Kerry to repudiate the comment that Dean made during a conference call arranged by the Kerry campaign.


"The president was the one who dragged our troops to Iraq, which apparently has been a factor in the death of 200 Spaniards over the weekend," Dean said as he defended Kerry from a Bush television ad that accused Kerry of turning his back on U.S. soldiers fighting in Iraq.


Asked about the comment on his campaign plane Wednesday, Kerry said, "It's not our position."


Bush campaign chairman Marc Racicot said Dean blamed the deaths on Bush and the war on terror when they were caused by a global terror network.


"If Senator Kerry understands the nature of this threat and the need to take on terror, then he should immediately repudiate these troubling comments, and stop all efforts on behalf of his surrogates to blame America for these attacks," said Racicot, former governor of Montana.


A growing international investigation is focusing on Islamic militants possibly linked to al-Qaida as the culprits in the Madrid train bombings last Thursday. A man who identified himself as an al-Qaida spokesman said on a videotape that the bombings were in retaliation for Spain's backing of the U.S.-led war in Iraq.


Dean, who ran unsuccessfully against Kerry in the Democratic primary and is now supporting his campaign, said he was simply repeating the connection made on the tape. In a statement issued Tuesday night, Dean clarified his comment by insisting there is no justification for terrorism and calling last week's bombing "a despicable act."

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May I ask what Mr. Kerry believes caused the attacks?

Or is it Kerry's scared that since he voted for the war, HIS vote basically caused the attacks in Spain?

Saint-Just
18th March 2004, 16:30
The view that the attack in Spain is nothing to do with Spain's involvement in Iraq is a joke. It is obvious to anyone that the attack on the Spanish was a result of their involvement in Iraq. Al Quaeda chooses its targets. The attack seen in Spain was to kill civilians. Al Queada has said it will expand its operations in Spain, I would suggest that in the future it will not attack Spanish civilians but more selective targets in Spain. Al Quaeda has said it will attack Britain, its not hard to see that this is because of our involvement in Iraq.

The frequency and scale of these attacks increases as the Middle East becomes more infected by America. The Bush government is to blame for the killing of its own people and other people in Terrorist incidence. America has a will to inflict its domination on all parts of the world, doing so means it will inevitably come under attack.

It is fine to say that it is right that all cultures, religions and nations should be subsumed by American culture, but one should not see that this can be done without resistance of many people around the world. It is not purely any kind of evil or malice in those who attack America that results in these attacks, it is a product of the American attitude towards the world. Seeing what we have seen in New York, Madrid and other places it is nothing less than a logical fallacy to say that the attacks were not a result of the actions of the U.S.

Kez
18th March 2004, 16:43
Comrade Sean,

It think its unfair to say Kerry has no spine.
I say this because i dont think he has the power to make a (be it cowardly) decision. The decision making process i believe, doesnt lie in the hands of politicians anyway.

Do you think the spanish prez will pull troops out? i think he is under immense pressure from spanish imperialism to stay in. The only chance that he would, is that there is GREATER pressure from the working class and people of spain.

Kez
18th March 2004, 16:46
i just got this news, and very topical, since it is an element of pressure from Capital on puppet presidents
The Haliburton Scandal (http://www.socialistappeal.org/usa/halliburton_scandal.html). Shows perfectly what i mean by how close Capital is in US politics, and this isnt a temporary example, but rather how things work!

Sean Reynolds
18th March 2004, 19:39
Where exactly IS Kerry showing his spine? IS it denying the obvious because of fear that he'll lose votes? Is it supporting a war, then flip-flopping on the vote when the war turns south?

Kerry has no spine. He hasn't since the 1970s.

Kez
18th March 2004, 20:02
i think a vital factor that if any candidate showed a principled stance and with spine, then he would lose financial backing, and without this money, lose any chance of winning presidency.

Thres a brilliant part of "State and Revolution" which writes how the bourgeoise liberal democracy is merely a shell for capitalism to operate within, and the US liberal democracy is a perfect example, and how it legalises bribery in an official manner

Sean Reynolds
18th March 2004, 20:09
But you just said Kerry has a spine. If he's selling out his values just to get elected, does that not mean he's really got no spine?

Kez
18th March 2004, 20:31
no no comrade,

i was suggesting that its not that he has no spine, its rather hes not allowed to have one

my apologies, i should have said "It think its unfair to say Kerry has [a choice in having] no spine.

of course hes a spineless bastard, buts thats only because hes forced to by capitalists.

Point being, only spineless bastards are allowed into power, the rest cannot get in. i hope this clears it up