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Kurai Tsuki
17th March 2004, 02:00
(A book written by by Ziauddin Sardar and Merryl Wyn Davies)

When I found this book I had recently finished reading William Blum's book Rogue State, and was looking for a way to build upon my newfound knowledge about the negative, "aspects," of American policy/thought, and indeed this book gave me what I was searching for.

This is a book which analyzes America through its actions and the metaphors shown in its media and its corporations' marketing campaigns. McDonalds, Alias, The West Wing, Shane and Rules of Engagement, to name a few, are picked apart by the writers and their relationships to American thought and policy are revealed. But media that shows reality is also analyzed in this book, such as the French movie, La Haine, which revolves around three protagonists who are Arabic, Jewish and Negro. The metaphors of the film are carefully cut out for the viewer to see.

For leftists and dissidents, or people who simply hate America, this book is not likely to reveal a great amount of information that they did not already know, but rather analyze the rubbish that comes out of America to give insights into its culture. This is more of a philosophical book than a fact revealing one, but readers are still very likely to learn some interesting things from reading it. For example, the American television show, "All in the Family," was actually based on the British show about a conservative who has to live with a socialist. Apparently the U.S. studios simply Americanized it and made it a show about a man who yearns for the good old days and his hippie son-in-law.

There are those who would say that this book is one-sided. I would defend it in the same way that I would Rogue State, Killing Hope, No Logo and Branded, by saying that the demographic at which this book is targeted knows the, "other side of the story," and are simply sick of; therefore looking for some new insights.

Why Do People Hate America is a great book for those who want to know how the American media and its mythology reflect itself.

peaccenicked
19th March 2004, 09:27
I found it quite good but it covered much ground I am familiar with. Most of it was accurate historically.

The Feral Underclass
19th March 2004, 12:04
I thought it was very interesting to read the statistics. it really puts it into perspective. I got the sensed that the author started off trying to be non-bias, but by the time she had finished all the research she couldnt help but be biased...it's a good and I recommend anyone to read it...

Fidelbrand
19th March 2004, 16:23
I will bomb my university's mail list that consist of students majoring in "American Studies" (thumbs down for those loosers...... :D ) by introducing this book to them.

Comrade BNS
19th March 2004, 22:53
Wowee!! Finally somone else who reads, or at least has read on of Ziauddin Sardar's books!! now people why don't you read some more of his stuff and open your minds to possibilities and futures that exist outside your rehashed historical, western based, euro-centric views!! I'm not anti-communist or anti-anarchist, but these world views cannot, as quite clearly shown by Mr Sardar, exist in contemporary society, unless of course the rest of the world is brought under the guise of postmodern inclusion, which is in itself imperialism and the very thing all you "so called" leftists deplore and rebuke! I think his works would serve, just as Nietzsche's "Thus spoke Zarathustra" as "the" deprogramming tool for religious fanatics, as a deprogramming tool for all of you secular, euro-centric, old world view fanatics!! I guess the point that this is all leading to is the ferver with which so many people on this board denounce relgion, simply because Marx did, and believed it could not work in a communist society. SO MANY PEOPLE take Marx's words as some sort of secular religious doctrine and that every word must be played out and enforced. I really like the Direction Marx was heading with his thoughts and agree with all the General messages and trends of his work. But that is a far cry from the religious...*ahem* secular fanaticism of so many Marxists and communists who accept even Marx's most arrogant and carelessly flippant remarks as complete truth and law!


Comrade BNS

Severian
27th March 2004, 11:43
Originally posted by Comrade [email protected] 19 2004, 05:53 PM
your rehashed historical, western based, euro-centric views!! ....unless of course the rest of the world is brought under the guise of postmodern inclusion, which is in itself imperialism ....secular, euro-centric, old world view fanatics!! .....
In other words, "Marx was wrong because he was white."

Look, Europe was simply the part of the world where capitalism happened to develop first. So the modern working class developed there first. So modern communist ideas developed there first. That's all.

The modern working class now exists all over the world, not just in Europe, and Marx is a lot more popular in "the rest of the world", as you put it, than whatever vaguely lefty writer is currently fashionable in Western academia.

Pedro Alonso Lopez
27th March 2004, 23:08
Originally posted by Comrade [email protected] 19 2004, 11:53 PM
Wowee!! Finally somone else who reads, or at least has read on of Ziauddin Sardar's books!! now people why don't you read some more of his stuff and open your minds to possibilities and futures that exist outside your rehashed historical, western based, euro-centric views!! I'm not anti-communist or anti-anarchist, but these world views cannot, as quite clearly shown by Mr Sardar, exist in contemporary society, unless of course the rest of the world is brought under the guise of postmodern inclusion, which is in itself imperialism and the very thing all you "so called" leftists deplore and rebuke! I think his works would serve, just as Nietzsche's "Thus spoke Zarathustra" as "the" deprogramming tool for religious fanatics, as a deprogramming tool for all of you secular, euro-centric, old world view fanatics!! I guess the point that this is all leading to is the ferver with which so many people on this board denounce relgion, simply because Marx did, and believed it could not work in a communist society. SO MANY PEOPLE take Marx's words as some sort of secular religious doctrine and that every word must be played out and enforced. I really like the Direction Marx was heading with his thoughts and agree with all the General messages and trends of his work. But that is a far cry from the religious...*ahem* secular fanaticism of so many Marxists and communists who accept even Marx's most arrogant and carelessly flippant remarks as complete truth and law!


Comrade BNS
Excellent post.