ETA

[Wenty]

Out of curiousity i noticed on both the CNN and BBC web pages a link to 'What is Eta' or 'Who are Eta'. Both of them had pretty much the same definition except for the CNN one which felt the need to say that Eta was fighting for a 'separate Marxist state'. Funny how the BBC didn't put that in; does the US's cold war scaremongering continue to this day...

[SittingBull47]

Interesting. I didn't bother reading about the ETA on the major news networks. I'm looking for a definition of what they are in other places. (But, I guess that doesn't make a big difference, it will probably still be the same thing).

[Wenty]

it seems to be a subtle trend i've noticed now and again that Marxism is still talked about in a derogative fashion. The truth is most of these people are ignorant of the philosophy.

[MiniOswald]

I thought ETA just wanted independance of the basque I've never seen anything about marxism

[Hate Is Art]

same, I have never heard ETA being reffered to as a marxist group before.

[monkeydust]

Eta are merely a Basque separatist movement.

Though of course Marxism=Bad

Eta=Bad

So Eta must =Marxist

Obviously.................. :blink:

[Intifada]

from here (http://www.us-israel.org/jsource/Terrorism/terror_report_orgs.html)

Basque Fatherland and Liberty (ETA) a.k.a. Euzkadi Ta Askatasuna

Description

Founded in 1959 with the aim of establishing an independent homeland based on Marxist principles in the northern Spanish Provinces of Vizcaya, Guipuzcoa, Alava, and Navarra, and the southwestern French Departments of Labourd, Basse-Navarra, and Soule. Recent Spanish counterterrorism initiatives are hampering the group’s operational capabilities. Spanish police arrested 123 ETA members and accomplices in 2002; French authorities arrested dozens more. In August, a Spanish judge placed a provisional ban on ETA’s political wing, Batasuna.

Activities

Primarily involved in bombings and assassinations of Spanish Government officials, security and military forces, politicians, and judicial figures; in December 2002, however, ETA reiterated its intention to target Spanish tourist areas. In 2002, ETA killed five persons, including a child, a notable decrease from 2001’s death toll of 15, and wounded approximately 90 persons. The group has killed more than 800 persons and injured hundreds of others since it began lethal attacks in the early 1960s. ETA finances its activities through kidnappings, robberies, and extortion.

Strength

Unknown; hundreds of members, plus supporters.

Location/Area of Operation

Operates primarily in the Basque autonomous regions of northern Spain and southwestern France, but also has bombed Spanish and French interests elsewhere.

External Aid

Has received training at various times in the past in Libya, Lebanon, and Nicaragua. Some ETA members allegedly have received sanctuary in Cuba while others reside in South America.

seems like a pile of bullshit to me.

[DSCH]

http://www.basque-red.net/homei.htm

The ETA hasn't carried out terrorist attacks in many years. It's funny how everyone is quick to blame the ETA when it's so obvious that Muslim Jihadis did this.

[Intifada]

when it's so obvious that Muslim Jihadis did this.

i wouldnt be surprised if the mossad or CIA did this either. the americans and israel need a reason to attack neighbouring arab countries.

[Wenty]

as soon as they resort to terrorism any endorsement i would think about giving goes out the window.

[Winston Smith]

ETA is a terroist groupe fighting for an independant Basque homland which they have a ligitimate claim too.

[seen_che]

Though of course Marxism=Bad

Eta=Bad

So Eta must =Marxist

Obviously.................. :blink:
LOL





But I still don´t think that ETA has done all good....

[Winston Smith]

Terrorist are still terrorist. Even if they are polite enough to warn you there about to blow up the building your in. Just out of curiosity is anyone else in favor of giving them a Basque state or am I alone in that opinion?

[kingbee]

i share it.

im from wales, which i see as a parallel to the basque country- smaller nation being "opressed" by the bigger country.

whether basque is celtic, i dont know, but i know that the whole language situation, etc is similar.

[Invader Zim]

Originally posted by [email protected] 18 2004, 10:04 PM
i share it.

im from wales, which i see as a parallel to the basque country- smaller nation being "opressed" by the bigger country.

whether basque is celtic, i dont know, but i know that the whole language situation, etc is similar.
dude, being half welsh I fail to see quite how Wales is being oppressed by anyone except ann robinson.

[kingbee]

i know!

thats why i put the opressed in "".

i personally dont think so, i think maybe full control maybe a nice idea, but to be honest, i dont thinkit fully matters at the moment.

the only people who think wales is oppressed are the cenedlaetholwyr (nationalists) who think all the english should be thrown out the country, and that everyone should speak welsh.

[Wenty]

charming. Suppose thats the legacy of our imperialism although it should really be called 'british imperialism' not just english.

Where are you from in Wales?

[kingbee]

cardiff.

cardiff born, cardiff bred
and when i die i'll be cardiff dead.

i speak welsh, and im proud of my language, but not so much of my country of its culture so much. is language an integral part of culture, or is it sometnhing else altogether.

[Roses in the Hospital]

I was suspicious of the convinience of the bombings - just when the Guantanamo controvosy was at it's height...
Just like when Bush came to the UK there was an attack somewhere (can't remember which one) which allowed him and Blar to make a niece little speech about continuing the war...
But maybe I'm just over sceptical

[monkeydust]

kingbee

Is it Plaid Cymru who campaign for Welsh independence? I think they have about 2 or 3 seats in Parliament, or at least did not too long ago.

Weren't most people in Wales satisfied with devolution? I must concede I've never been in Wales for any significant period of time, I always assumed that the Welsh language was compulsory at Welsh schools, though I may be wrong.

Is there a strong feeling for Welsh independence out there, or do people not really care these days?

[kingbee]

it is plaid cymru- and they have a few seats, with more in the devolved government. ive never particualarly taken to them, thinking they were just conservative nationalists, but my mate claims they are becoming socialist. i MUST look up more on them, considering i can now vote.



the welsh devolution was very narrowly passed, probably due to the amount of english people in the country (especially near the borders- monmouth is the only tory seat in the whole of wales)

welsh in compulsory in schools, but only in secondary schools up until gsce's (about 15-16 yrs old). so many have a small bit of welsh. i go to a welsh medium school, so everything is done in welsh. speaking english is not allowed.

i think people in wales are quite nationalistic, only they are bored with the current parliamentary politics. i think if people looked beyond their own noses, theyd probably vote in plaid, and get independence.

i persoanlly have no strong views on independence, although i think that we would be a more left nation, thus better than the poncey lords in london.