Elections ~ Spain

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This shall be interesting given the attacks a couple of days ago.

I believe Zapatero will be the winner. If he does win, do you think he would pull spanish troops out of Iraq immediately? I wonder how the U$ would take it.

We'll see I guess.


One thing I found interesting. During the protests/marches in spain. People were carrying signs that read "Paz." No calls for war or more bloodshed.


*oops* I thought I posted this in politics. Doesn't matter really. :)

[CheViveToday]

Yes, I noticed that too. It's good to see that the people of Spain realize that peace (not revenge) is what will end the hatred toward Westerners by Muslims. Hopefully the people in the U.S. will realize this as well.

[General A.A.Vlasov]

KA:" Yes!

Vive el Zapatero!

Spanish army will go out form Iraq!"

[Hoppe]

Originally posted by [email protected] 15 2004, 03:52 AM
Yes, I noticed that too. It's good to see that the people of Spain realize that peace (not revenge) is what will end the hatred toward Westerners by Muslims. Hopefully the people in the U.S. will realize this as well.
I doubt it. For fun you should talk with a islamic fundamentalist about their views on history and compare it to your own. Then you will see that hatred of the West (and Jews of course) goes much deeper and is not really caused by the invasion of Iraq or whatever. Bear in mind that once the Islam was once a very advanced culture but somehow this went the wrong way.

Peace is easy but these maniacs don't want peace. Rather the whole world should be like Afghanistan was under the Taliban. (And no, this is not pro Bush-Blair)

[SittingBull47]

Originally posted by [email protected] 15 2004, 03:52 AM
Yes, I noticed that too. It's good to see that the people of Spain realize that peace (not revenge) is what will end the hatred toward Westerners by Muslims. Hopefully the people in the U.S. will realize this as well.
true. peace is the real weapon for domination. (And i mean that in a positive way)

[Capitalist Imperial]

Spain has capitulated to terrorism, it is that simple.

It is sad that such a nation would concede to bullying tactics. As soon as the going gets a little rough, they allow themselves to be defeated by terror. I'm sure Poland would hold the line after an attack on Warsaw, or the UK if London was targeted. I'm not suprised, though, this is the kind of spineless, back-turning action I would expect from a new socialist regime.

What most of you liberal commie gadfly's don't understand is that peace without justice will not end terrorism. That is an infantile, naive notion. Islam's hate of the west goes back much farther and is much more deply rooted than just in the political events of the last 50 years. Most of Islam's hate of the west is rooted in their spiritual beliefs. Even as isolationists, islamic fundamentalists would still want us destroyed. "Peace" as defined by you pundits means the US submitting to terrorist's whims and simply stopping our efforts to root out terrorist networks, as well as giving up our hard-earned sphere of influence and interests throughout the world, something that the US and it's citizens shouldn't do and will never do, as that will not defeat terrorism. Standing together and defying terrorist cowards will. Spain has obviously not realized this, and has allowed terrorism to defeat it. Mark my words, Spain, in the long run, will pay the price for turning its back on America.

America will never capitulate.

America will never give up.

America will acheive victory


USA, USA, USA, USA

[LuZhiming]

Originally posted by Capitalist [email protected] 16 2004, 05:56 PM
Spain has capitulated to terrorism, it is that simple.

It is sad that such a nation would concede to bullying tactics. As soon as the going gets a little rough, they allow themselves to be defeated by terror. I'm sure Poland would hold the line after an attack on Warsaw, or the UK if London was targeted. I'm not suprised, though, this is the kind of spineless, back-turning action I would expect from a new socialist regime.

What most of you liberal commie gadfly's don't understand is that peace without justice will not end terrorism. That is an infantile, naive notion. Islam's hate of the west goes back much farther and is much more deply rooted than just in the political events of the last 50 years. Most of Islam's hate of the west is rooted in their spiritual beliefs. Even as isolationists, islamic fundamentalists would still want us destroyed. "Peace" as defined by you pundits means the US submitting to terrorist's whims and simply stopping our efforts to root out terrorist networks, as well as giving up our hard-earned sphere of influence and interests throughout the world, something that the US and it's citizens shouldn't do and will never do, as that will not defeat terrorism. Standing together and defying terrorist cowards will. Spain has obviously not realized this, and has allowed terrorism to defeat it. Mark my words, Spain, in the long run, will pay the price for turning its back on America.

America will never capitulate.

America will never give up.

America will acheive victory


USA, USA, USA, USA
It's funny how people apply such double standards when they accuse people of "submitting to terrorism." Interestingly, none of these people accused Yassir Arafat of "submitting to terrorism" after he recognized the existance of Israel shortly after Israel had assassinated PLO leaders and destroyed Palestinian homes to create settlements.

You blame the attack on "Islam's hate of the West." But I ask you when did the terrorism of bin Laden begin? It began after the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan. Why is that? Is it some coincidence?

[Capitalist Imperial]

I didn't believe in the afghani occupation either, it was the Soviet's vietnam. Ifyou remember, the US covertly helped the Mujahadeen defeat the soviets. If anything, bin laden should have been thankful.

[Soul Rebel]

Originally posted by Capitalist [email protected] 16 2004, 05:56 PM
Spain has capitulated to terrorism, it is that simple.

It is sad that such a nation would concede to bullying tactics. As soon as the going gets a little rough, they allow themselves to be defeated by terror. I'm sure Poland would hold the line after an attack on Warsaw, or the UK if London was targeted. I'm not suprised, though, this is the kind of spineless, back-turning action I would expect from a new socialist regime.

What most of you liberal commie gadfly's don't understand is that peace without justice will not end terrorism. That is an infantile, naive notion. Islam's hate of the west goes back much farther and is much more deply rooted than just in the political events of the last 50 years. Most of Islam's hate of the west is rooted in their spiritual beliefs. Even as isolationists, islamic fundamentalists would still want us destroyed. "Peace" as defined by you pundits means the US submitting to terrorist's whims and simply stopping our efforts to root out terrorist networks, as well as giving up our hard-earned sphere of influence and interests throughout the world, something that the US and it's citizens shouldn't do and will never do, as that will not defeat terrorism. Standing together and defying terrorist cowards will. Spain has obviously not realized this, and has allowed terrorism to defeat it. Mark my words, Spain, in the long run, will pay the price for turning its back on America.

America will never capitulate.

America will never give up.

America will acheive victory


USA, USA, USA, USA
If you knew a damn thing about spanish history you would see that it has not surrendered to terrorism.

Spain has been suffering from terrorism for over thirty years and has been getting it worse since it was being run by the PP. Even with this the Spanish have been able to build themselves up and the spanish people have been extremely brave and strong through it all. But now they are at the point where they dont want to take it anymore. They have never wanted to take it- but now its gone to far for them. As a result a change of government came about. This doesnt mean that terrorism has broken spain down because it hasnt. This was just the straw that broke the camels back. The spanish have had to put up with the pp's antics- being lied to about the attacks, being lied to about the oil spill (in my home of galicia, which affected the fishing industry, destroyed beaches, killed the oceanlife, etc.), going into a war that wasnt wanted by spaniards, etc. A change was needed and now was the time.


You also need to understand that the spanish way of dealing with terrorism is different than the us's. The spanish dont feel the need to go attacking everyone or everything in site, which only creats more hostility and is the US's favorite tactic. The spanish guardia has managed to capture terrorists in spain by other forms- clues, watching suspects, etc.
If anyone is a coward, its the us, for handling things the way it does. The US has not been suffering from terrorism in the way that the spanish have so if anyone walks out strong its going to be spain, from experience and a strong will.


MERECEMOS UNA ESPANA MEJOR!!!!

[MiDnIgHtMaRaUdEr]

Originally posted by Capitalist [email protected] 16 2004, 01:56 PM
Spain has capitulated to terrorism, it is that simple.

It is sad that such a nation would concede to bullying tactics. As soon as the going gets a little rough, they allow themselves to be defeated by terror. I'm sure Poland would hold the line after an attack on Warsaw, or the UK if London was targeted. I'm not suprised, though, this is the kind of spineless, back-turning action I would expect from a new socialist regime.

What most of you liberal commie gadfly's don't understand is that peace without justice will not end terrorism. That is an infantile, naive notion. Islam's hate of the west goes back much farther and is much more deply rooted than just in the political events of the last 50 years. Most of Islam's hate of the west is rooted in their spiritual beliefs. Even as isolationists, islamic fundamentalists would still want us destroyed. "Peace" as defined by you pundits means the US submitting to terrorist's whims and simply stopping our efforts to root out terrorist networks, as well as giving up our hard-earned sphere of influence and interests throughout the world, something that the US and it's citizens shouldn't do and will never do, as that will not defeat terrorism. Standing together and defying terrorist cowards will. Spain has obviously not realized this, and has allowed terrorism to defeat it. Mark my words, Spain, in the long run, will pay the price for turning its back on America.

America will never capitulate.

America will never give up.

America will acheive victory


USA, USA, USA, USA
Christian fundamentalists are no better. They hide behind the flag and patiotism to push their same infidel hating policies that the radical Islamics are pushing for. It is the fault of shitheads like you that the Islamic fundamentalists are going to get power in Iraq in the first place. If we never invaded we wouldn't be in this situation in the first place, and those Al-Queda sympathizing Islamic fundamentalists would never get power in Iraq. What I am saying this for anyways? Trolls like you will never understand. Things will only get worse the longer we stay.

http://www.imageshack.us/img1/7515/pic66.jpg

"Bring 'em on!"

Yeah, that's exactly what they'll do now...shithead.

[Comrade Zeke]

Spain is one the toughest countries in the world! For over 300 years in the middle ages it had to deal with the Islamic Warriors of the Moorish People, then it went through the Spanish American War,then it went threw the Spanish Civil war and the Bastard Franco came to power! Ok so don't say Spain is spineless it deserves our respect for all that stuff it went through...Tell me besideas Sepetember 11 that America had went through!!! Come on tell me!!! I bet you can't! I am not Commime lover but I anin't no Aristocrat,Rich man Cappie lover that doesn't respect countries like Spain Capitalist Imperial. America is a great nation and is free but Spain is older and wiser!
Zeke

[Comrade Zeke]

So this is what I say to you, Capitalist Imperial!!
Look at the great new leader of Spain and the Happy People!
So BooYAH!

[LuZhiming]

Originally posted by Capitalist [email protected] 17 2004, 12:33 AM
I didn't believe in the afghani occupation either, it was the Soviet's vietnam. Ifyou remember, the US covertly helped the Mujahadeen defeat the soviets. If anything, bin laden should have been thankful.
Osama bin Laden wasn't part of the group trained by the U.S. And might I add that you are missing a few details in your description of the conflict. You seem to forget that the U.S. began forming these drug trafficking Islamic terrorists in mid 1979, three months before the invasion happened, to lure the Soviets into an "Afghan trap" by attacking the Soviet ally ruling Afghanistan. You purposely dodged my point. The terrorism of bin Laden and groups like him started during that conflict, which was seen by them as aggression. Considering the U.S. has been carrying out aggression and support for brutal regimes in that region, it is only logical to acknowledge the Islamic terrorism against the U.S. being a result of the U.S.' devastation of the Middle East, which would mean that the U.S. devastating the region even more as it is doing, is counter-productive as a means to reduce terrorist attacks against the U.S.

[Loknar]

The Spanish have cowered to terror, if they haven’t please explain to me how they have not. Now that al-queda sees the result (and the Basques will catch on now) they will bomb many other nations in an attempt to influence elections.

And btw my communist friends, whether you support or ‘understand ’ al-queda just remember this: They will stick a shank into your back just because you’re an ‘imperialist american’, they wont be asking questions when they set off bombs.


The Muslims wont leave the Spain alone (so says Stephen Cobert :) They want Spain back :)

[Y2A]

Originally posted by [email protected] 17 2004, 04:09 AM
The Spanish have cowered to terror, if they haven’t please explain to me how they have not. Now that al-queda sees the result (and the Basques will catch on now) they will bomb many other nations in an attempt to influence elections.

And btw my communist friends, whether you support or ‘understand ’ al-queda just remember this: They will stick a shank into your back just because you’re an ‘imperialist american’, they wont be asking questions when they set off bombs.


The Muslims wont leave the Spain alone (so says Stephen Cobert :) They want Spain back :)
I fail to see how this is "cowering to terror". First off, Al-Queda and Iraq have no links, second the Spaniards are only promising to leave after July 1 which is the date that the U.S itself has promised to handover Iraq to the IGC.

[MiDnIgHtMaRaUdEr]

Originally posted by [email protected] 17 2004, 12:09 AM
The Spanish have cowered to terror, if they haven’t please explain to me how they have not. Now that al-queda sees the result (and the Basques will catch on now) they will bomb many other nations in an attempt to influence elections.

And btw my communist friends, whether you support or ‘understand ’ al-queda just remember this: They will stick a shank into your back just because you’re an ‘imperialist american’, they wont be asking questions when they set off bombs.


The Muslims wont leave the Spain alone (so says Stephen Cobert :) They want Spain back :)
Ah no! For the Spanish people to truely "cower to terror" they would have to obey Americas every whim. The Spanish are finally standing up to the worlds largest terrorist and is finally getting the courage to say NO! to the imperialist aggressor! Besides, they have not said they will stop hunting Al-Queda terrorists, they are just getting out of Bush's false "War on Terror", the occupation of Iraq. Occuping Iraq does nothing in the fight against terrorism. If anything, it worsens the situation. The sole motive for going to war was for the oil, and the only thing that Spain pulling out of Iraq means is that they have stopped kissing America's ass.

[Guest1]

MidnightMarauder, Y2A, do you really have to have signatures several posts long?

Fucking hell. Is tackiness the new fad or something? <_<

[MiDnIgHtMaRaUdEr]

Does it matter?

[Guest1]

It&#39;s just really annoying when your signature is almost always twice the length of your actual post.

Like, look at your last reply, then tell me it doesn&#39;t hurt your eyes.

[MiDnIgHtMaRaUdEr]

*looks at post* It doesn&#39;t hurt your eyes. (or mine either for that matter)
If it is really that big of a deal for you, I can cut out the skipped lines.

[Xvall]

Don&#39;t bother arguing with him about it. To Capitalist Imperial, democratic elections that vote in socialists are acts of terrorism.

[Capitalist Imperial]

Ah, drake, my friend, so good to see you again. I think that the spanish people ould have voted in a can of sardines if they thought that it would support them turning tail and riunning from Iraq after suffering a terrorist attack.

They have now done nothing but tell the attackers: They, look at us, look what we are doing, your tactics work, use them some more". What happen to the days of Columbus, Cortez, and the Spanish Armada?

Spain has gone soft.

[Sabocat]

I love how the right wing is all in favor of bringing democracy to the Arab world, but when a country (that protested the war by as much as 90% of the population) sends troops in against the will of it&#39;s constituency, and they&#39;re thrown out of their office for it, that&#39;s being cowardly.

Aznar acted unilaterally with regards to sending troops to Iraq. The popular opinion in Spain was that they should not be sent in, and Aznar sent them anyway. Now he&#39;s gone. That&#39;s how it&#39;s supposed to work in a democracy isn&#39;t it?

Aren&#39;t leaders in a democracy supposed to rule by the will of their people?

Look it&#39;s simple (even for you). You&#39;re either pro democracy or your not. Make up your mind.

[sledovatel]

i would have to agree with you disgustapated on at least one thing. the people of spain were not in agreement with the war. they did the right thing in that they made their government do what they wanted done. that being said, i would like to insult those spaniards who did vote in the socialist party. they are they who love safety more than liberty. sure they democratically voted in a president with whom they felt secure with. but in doing so, they turned their backs to freedom. what a shameful nation of ingrates. apparently they think that they alone should have the right to choose their government.
-s

[kingbee]

Originally posted by Capitalist [email protected] 16 2004, 05:56 PM
Spain has capitulated to terrorism, it is that simple.

would you say that as soon as terrorism (an over used word these days) strikes, that democratic choice goes out of the window?

[Sabocat]

I&#39;m afraid you&#39;ll have to explain how the Spaniards are "turning their backs on freedom" :blink:

Or am I missing the sarcasm?

[canikickit]

i would like to insult those spaniards who did vote in the socialist party. they are they who love safety more than liberty. sure they democratically voted in a president with whom they felt secure with. but in doing so, they turned their backs to freedom.

What freedom? Tell us how any of this actually happened.


what a shameful nation of ingrates.

To whom should they be grateful?

You say:

they did the right thing in that they made their government do what they wanted done.

Yet now you tell us that they are ungrateful. It doesn&#39;t make sense.


apparently they think that they alone should have the right to choose their government.

Who else?

[Don't Change Your Name]

Originally posted by Capitalist [email protected] 16 2004, 05:56 PM
Spain has capitulated to terrorism, it is that simple.

It is sad that such a nation would concede to bullying tactics. As soon as the going gets a little rough, they allow themselves to be defeated by terror. I&#39;m sure Poland would hold the line after an attack on Warsaw, or the UK if London was targeted. I&#39;m not suprised, though, this is the kind of spineless, back-turning action I would expect from a new socialist regime.
A lot of biased bla bla bla. Of course if those "democratic" elections ended up with the PP winning you would claim that "the Spanish people used liberty and democracy to respond to those liberal commie supported terrorists".
Congratulations&#33; You have just proven that democracy is something you don&#39;t seem to enjoy unless it keeps the same cappie dictatorship you seem to love so much.


What most of you liberal commie gadfly&#39;s don&#39;t understand is that peace without justice will not end terrorism. That is an infantile, naive notion. Islam&#39;s hate of the west goes back much farther and is much more deply rooted than just in the political events of the last 50 years. Most of Islam&#39;s hate of the west is rooted in their spiritual beliefs. Even as isolationists, islamic fundamentalists would still want us destroyed. "Peace" as defined by you pundits means the US submitting to terrorist&#39;s whims and simply stopping our efforts to root out terrorist networks, as well as giving up our hard-earned sphere of influence and interests throughout the world, something that the US and it&#39;s citizens shouldn&#39;t do and will never do, as that will not defeat terrorism. Standing together and defying terrorist cowards will. Spain has obviously not realized this, and has allowed terrorism to defeat it. Mark my words, Spain, in the long run, will pay the price for turning its back on America.

That&#39;s called religious brainwashing. If you want to stop it go and destroy those damn useless temples. After all those priests are lazy idiots that live because they get paid to control the masses.


America will never capitulate.

America will never give up.

America will acheive victory


USA, USA, USA, USA

Not with me, buddy. You can start throwing your stars and stripes crap because your empire can&#39;t control everyone. And that will make it fall sooner than you think.

[canikickit]

Originally posted by Capitalist [email protected] 18 2004, 08:37 PM
They have now done nothing but tell the attackers: They, look at us, look what we are doing, your tactics work, use them some more". What happen to the days of Columbus, Cortez, and the Spanish Armada?

Spain has gone soft.
What do you suggest they should have done?

Should they have re-elected the government which went against their wishes? The government that betrayed the people of Spain? On what grounds? What evidence is their to suggest that Aznar&#39;s government was actually doing them any favours?


your tactics work, use them some more

What is the aim of their tactics? The destruction of civilisation? Annihilation of the American Way of Life®?
What message are the terrorists putting forward here?

[Soul Rebel]

sledovatel,Mar 18 2004, 10:04 PM]

that being said, i would like to insult those spaniards who did vote in the socialist party. they are they who love safety more than liberty.

What the hell are you trying to say?


sure they democratically voted in a president with whom they felt secure with. but in doing so, they turned their backs to freedom.

the ability to feel safe is a part of freedom. the fact that now they will now feel safer and have a government that will actually listen to them, they are much freer. and if anything i can tell you as a spaniard living in the us- the spaniards have been much freer than americans in many ways.

what a shameful nation of ingrates.

FUCK YOU&#33; how dare you insult an entire nation of people for no good reason. How dare you insult a nation and a culture that you know absolutely nothing about.

who the fuck are you to call anyone an ingrate?

apparently they think that they alone should have the right to choose their government.

yeah, who would have thought that us spaniards should choose our government. i mean, where do we as spaniards have the right to choose who should be the head of the spanish government? What the fuck were we thinking- elections for crying out loud&#33; who the fuck takes part in elections? what a sign of ignorance&#33;

this honestly has to be the stupidest thing i have ever heard- that we alone shouldnt choose our government. if the spanish people shouldnt pick their government than who should? The united states? Give me a fucking break.

[sledovatel]

o me tienes q&#39; disculpar, did i offend you? apparently my text went above your head, so let me be a little more claro. when i state you turn your back on freedom for safety, it&#39;s true. you turned your backs on the iraqi people. you thought that it would be safer for you and you kind to be out of iraq. perhaps it will be. but in so doing, you turn away from giving these same freedoms to the country of iraq. and as for you thinking that i said something about other people choosing your government for you, i believe you may have misread what i wrote. try reading it again. i was talking about the fact that you&#39;re just fine with having freedom in your country, but when it comes to letting other people have the chance to free elections in theirs, you turn your backs and run away. that&#39;s what i mean by ingrates.

by the way, the ability to feel safe is not a part of freedom. it may occur from time to time, but it is no absolute.
-s

[Guest1]

Actually, if you read what the Prime Minister is saying, Spain will not turn its back on Iraq. If, by june, the UN is given a mandate in Iraq to setup a fair, just Democracy, the troops will stay.

If, however, this looting of an entire country continues, and the elections proceed through a US sponsored plan for a group of a few thousand Iraqis picked by Bushco to elect a few hundred delegates, who will elect a dozen delegates, who will elect the government... then of course, Spain will stand for Democracy and walk away.

In the end, no matter how Democratic the voting is, it&#39;s being done amongst a predetermined few. This system, which the US is ironically calling an electoral college system, just ensures that the foundation for Iraqi society is laid by a government chosen by the Bush cabal. At least in your electoral college system, which is no beacon of Democracy, there is some form of election when it comes to choosing delegates. In this system, all the delegates will be chosen by the American government.

Though of course they&#39;ll be able to vote however they like, so it&#39;s all ok, right? It&#39;s still Democracy right? To have a few thousand peoiple decide the fate of a few million?

[Soul Rebel]

[/QUOTE]
o me tienes q&#39; disculpar, did i offend you? apparently my text went above your head, so let me be a little more claro.

dont belittle me.

i also understand english fine so theres no need for you to attempt to speak spanish to me.

when i state you turn your back on freedom for safety, it&#39;s true. you turned your backs on the iraqi people. you thought that it would be safer for you and you kind to be out of iraq.

we didnt turn our backs on the iraqi people.

first of all you need to get it through your head that the spanish never wanted any part in it- but the pp didnt listen. They went along with the US on it, against our wishes. now that we have the chance to get out, why shouldnt we. our men are dying for something we never supported.

it is safer for us now. do you not understand why the attacks happened? because we took part in an uncalled for war, which once again we didnt want&#33; why should we have to suffer for the pp&#39;s mistakes? why should more of our people have to die because they went against our wishes? the fact that we said no to the war was supporting the iraqi people. we knew what the war was about, we saw the truth and didnt want to go along with it. we knew that it was the iraqi people who would suffer because of the US&#39;s greediness and ignorance.

also, if the US was so damn intent on attacking iraq they should be able to handle the aftermath too. they should have thought about this before they went into iraq and made it a mess.

and what the fuck you mean "you and your people"? dont talk down to me as though im a lower life form than you- or that the spaniards are.

you turn away from giving these same freedoms to the country of iraq.

tell me how. how is our presence going to guarantee them any freedom? how is having soldiers and other countries dictating what you should do considered freedom?

and as for you thinking that i said something about other people choosing your government for you, i believe you may have misread what i wrote. try reading it again. i was talking about the fact that you&#39;re just fine with having freedom in your country, but when it comes to letting other people have the chance to free elections in theirs, you turn your backs and run away.

i wasnt the only who didnt understand what you were saying- you wrote it in a very clumsy manner, making us believe that the spaniards shouldnt choose their government.

next time you feel like making a judgement about what i think- dont. you have no idea what i or the spanish people are thinking. yes, like other people we do believe that we are entitled to freedom. but we also support others having freedom, which is why we were totally against this war. the fact that zapatero wants to pull out the soldiers does not mean that we dont support freedom for others.

If anything what zapatero is doing is ballsy. He&#39;s doing this with the spaniards in mind- they never wanted this. Second, hes taking a stand against the US&#39;s attitude towards this whole mess.

that&#39;s what i mean by ingrates.

i dont care what you meant. you have no right to call an entire nation a bunch of ingrates.


by the way, the ability to feel safe is not a part of freedom. it may occur from time to time, but it is no absolute.

yes, the ability to feel safe is a part of freedom. when you do not feel safe, you feel restricted. your options and decisions about these options may be formed by the level of safety you may have. if you cant leave your house, cant travel, cant talk freely, etc. because you feel unsafe, than what kind of freedom do you have? where is the freedom in feeling unsafe?

[sledovatel]

actually, i said "you and your kind", not "you and your people". there is a difference, you know. i was directing my remarks to those who believe as you do, aka your kind. and hey, it&#39;s your right not to go to war or help rebuild iraq if you don&#39;t want to. but don&#39;t go thinking that everyone agrees with you. i, for one, don&#39;t. i think that it is an act of cowardice to remove troops from iraq. but it&#39;s your choice and your right to do whatever you want with your country. it is my right, however, to be able to say whatever i want about whatever i want. and if you think that iraq had more freedom before the war than after it, i think that perhaps you should visit the place. if you were against the war, then were you pro-saddam? he certainly was not pro-freedom. and if the spanish never wanted to, then your government screwed you over. perhaps you should spend less time online and more time fixing your government.
-s

[Soul Rebel]

i dont think everyone should agree with me, but when more than 90% of the country does, i think we should be listened to.

sure you can say whatever you want about the war- but i think you have no right to call a whole nation a bunch of ingrates because they disagree with you.

and i said nothing about iraq having more freedom before the war so stop putting words in my mouth.

and how does my being anti-war translate into being pro-saddam? that right there is your typical, stupid, ignorant comment that comes out of the mouth of american republicans who are trying to get everyone to support this uncalled for war. you&#39;re basically displaying the "either you&#39;re with us or you&#39;re a terrorist" attitude.

and dont make assumptions about my life. you dont know me or what i do, especially politically. because i spend an hour online doesnt mean im not doing anything. i could make the same comment for you- if youre so for this war than why dont you get offline and get on the frontline? why dont you go fight for the iraqi freedom? better yet, why dont you help set up their government?

[Guest1]

and if the spanish never wanted to, then your government screwed you over. perhaps you should spend less time online and more time fixing your government.

It&#39;s funny, cause when the Spanish do finally change their government, you call it appeasement.

[Sabocat]

You gotta love the title....


SPANIARDS DUMP RIGHT WING SCUMBAG

Terrorist crusader wannabee scumbag (Spanish Prime Minister Jose Aznar) was thrown out of office for defying the will of 90% of his own people, sucking on the Neo-Con shaft, and signing up to kill innocent Iraqi women and children so that Bush and his filthy Neo Con terrorists can loot the oil of Iraq under the bogus rubric of a "Coalition of the Willing". What a piece of shit Aznar was. As is any low life scum "leader" who actually defies the will of 90% his own people and joins with Bushes oil looting spree. Good Riddens to this piece of shit who soiled the capital of Spain. And solidarity to the people of Spain who who are not as gullible and docile as Americans appear to be.


In what appears to be yet another CIA terrorist attack on the Madrid railway station (Nearly all major terrorist attacks are CIA - NOT AL QUEADA) the spooks once again miscalculated - fucked up as usual and their fuck-up had the exact opposite effect. The spooks thought that if they kill enough innocent people, surely the Spanish people would cower under the nearest right wing terrorist thug like the sheep here in America did. Maybe these dumb spooks thought that the spanish people would get caught up in convulsing jolts of thuggish hypernationalism and start waving flags in a frenzy of mindless jingoism like Americans did. But Europeans are not that stupid and gullible. They have some dignity and some brains still left in their heads.

http://www.voxfux.com/archives/00000112.htm

:lol:


BTW.... Buh bye Berlusconi http://www.wsws.org/articles/2004/mar2004/.../rome-m22.shtml (http://www.wsws.org/articles/2004/mar2004/rome-m22.shtml)

Au revoir Raffarin http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewForeignBureaus....R20040322e.html (http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewForeignBureaus.asp?Page=%5CForeignBureaus%5Car chive%5C200403%5CFOR20040322e.html)

[suespirituvive]

AL PUEBLO ESPAÑOL SALUD&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33; POR FIN SE LOGRARA LO QUE HEMOS QUERIDO....QUE NUESTROS SOLDADOS SALGAN DE IRAK&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;

[Soul Rebel]

Suespirituvive- de que parte de espana eres?

[STI]

Just a question, has there actually been any solid evidence that al Qaeda (sp?) was connected to the attack in Spain?

[Guest1]

Other than a group loosely affiliated to Al-Qaeda claiming responsibility, there was some very vague stuff like a Quran being found in an unexploded bag. Or something like that.

Problem is, the group also claimed responsibility for the blackouts in the northern US and Canada :lol: But yeah, it probably was Al-Qaeda, and even if it wasn&#39;t, it sure as hell wasn&#39;t ETA.

ETA usually gives warnings before the bombings, and claims responsibility. Furthermore, the outrage isn&#39;t just about who did it, it&#39;s about how the government refused to even consider the possibility it was someone else, even after a Quran was found. It was about how the government jumped at the conclusion with absolutely no evidence linking it to ETA.

[STI]

Was it actually the &#39;AQ- affiliated group&#39; who claimed responsibility? For all they know, Joe Fuckface could have sent an email saying he was them and claimed responsibility.

[El Brujo]

Originally posted by Capitalist [email protected] 19 2004, 04:37 AM
Ah, drake, my friend, so good to see you again. I think that the spanish people ould have voted in a can of sardines if they thought that it would support them turning tail and riunning from Iraq after suffering a terrorist attack.

They have now done nothing but tell the attackers: They, look at us, look what we are doing, your tactics work, use them some more". What happen to the days of Columbus, Cortez, and the Spanish Armada?

Spain has gone soft.
Yeah, not being a ***** to the US&#39;s interests sure makes them soft. :rolleyes:

Neo-con shitwit.

[Osman Ghazi]

What I find funny is that CI et alia seem to think that Spanish troops withdrawing will have any real effect. I&#39;m not sure how many troops Spain has in Irak but it definately isn&#39;t more than a couple thou. What can they do that 130,000 American troops can&#39;t?Secondly, if AQ attacked again, it would only harden the Spanish peoples hearts against them like it did against Basque Fatherland and Liberty. You neo-con fucktards should recall that ETA bombings were the main cause of the election of the Partido Popular.