The US debt clock

[peaccenicked]

Here for those who missed it before.

Prepare to be staggerred

http://www.brillig.com/debt_clock/

[Liberty Lover]

Budget, Deficit, Threatens Economic Freedom (http://www.capmag.com/article.asp?ID=3556)

[peaccenicked]

What an ''apology" LL. I can stop laughing.So the US gov spends it all on welfare? How deluded can you get.

[Liberty Lover]

Originally posted by [email protected] 12 2004, 10:53 AM
What an ''apology" LL. I can stop laughing.So the US gov spends it all on welfare? How deluded can you get.
Your being a dickhead might have something to do with this.

[Liberty Lover]

http://www.che-lives.com/forum/index.php?a...ST&f=24&t=22941 (http://www.che-lives.com/forum/index.php?act=ST&f=24&t=22941)

I thought you might like these.

[peaccenicked]

LL Moronic replies dont diguise that you dont have an answer.
And the fact that you live in a rightwing fatasy world.

[Liberty Lover]

Originally posted by [email protected] 12 2004, 11:11 AM
LL Moronic replies dont diguise that you dont have an answer.
And the fact that you live in a rightwing fatasy world.
Do you really expect to get a serious reply when you post nonmedical drivel like that?

My opinion is that politicians should not play "selfless" altruist at the expense of the taxpayer. Multi billion-dollar handouts for fighting AID's, the expansion of the "Peace Corps", drug subsidies and other retarded Democratic policies must stop if the deficit is to be eliminated.

[peaccenicked]

LL You seem to be absolutely blind
http://irregulartimes.com/corruptdefense.html

[kylie]

Its not as bad as what is made out. The trade deficit since the summer has fallen from 139 billion to 135.
The falling dollar will help it a lot, more so as its predicted to keep on depreciating. Exports will be cheaper to other countries, and imports more expensive, further narrowing the gap. As will increasing tourism to the US, rapidly expanding again, by 16 percent in 2003.
In the past there has been large deficits, which have as production has met the improved growth in demand gone back to a surplus. Theres no reason to think that the market wont balance it out this time.

[peaccenicked]

I would look here to begin with.
http://english.pravda.ru/world/20/91/368/12115_.html

[Liberty Lover]

Originally posted by [email protected] 12 2004, 11:41 AM
LL You seem to be absolutely blind
http://irregulartimes.com/corruptdefense.html
What's this? Peaccenicked posts a link by a group of nut cases on the radical fringe? This is something I never expected to see.


The news gets worse: The Defense Department has continued to lost track of more money in the three years since the report was released.

I can understand why an illiterate fucktard like you has an affinity with such material.

[kylie]

I'm unsure of the sources on that site, but I personally think I shall take the department of commerce (http://www.bea.gov/beahome.html) with its ability to say, get accurate statistics? Perhaps Pravda now does acquire data on the movement of all goods, services, and financial transactions from firms and individuals, but I somehow doubt it.

[kingbee]

Originally posted by Liberty Lover+Mar 12 2004, 12:00 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Liberty Lover @ Mar 12 2004, 12:00 PM)
[email protected] 12 2004, 11:41 AM
LL You seem to be absolutely blind
http://irregulartimes.com/corruptdefense.html
What&#39;s this? Peaccenicked posts a link by a group of nut cases on the radical fringe? This is something I never expected to see.


The news gets worse: The Defense Department has continued to lost track of more money in the three years since the report was released.

I can understand why an illiterate fucktard like you has an affinity with such material. [/b]
i dont that really helps your side of the argument, throwing a personal insult to contest a fact.

[Liberty Lover]

Hey everyone, I&#39;m writing a book. It&#39;s called My struggle against 4000 posts of ignorance, hypocrisy, stupidity and fucktardedness from peaccenicked

[Individual]

Hey, I&#39;m writing a book also&#33;

It&#39;s called The life I don&#39;t have: I&#39;m a Capitalist that Spends My Time on a Marxist Web-forum

Liberty; If I could have your address, I&#39;ll mail you a copy when it&#39;s done.

[Liberty Lover]

A more appropriate name for it would be I&#39;m a little fuck face who is forced to steal other people&#39;s ideas because of my fertile brain

Or maybe Securing me: How I overcome my insecurity by surrounding myself with rebellious teens on internet forums

[Sabocat]

My opinion is that politicians should not play "selfless" altruist at the expense of the taxpayer. Multi billion-dollar handouts for fighting AID&#39;s, the expansion of the "Peace Corps", drug subsidies and other retarded Democratic policies must stop if the deficit is to be eliminated.

Apparently corporate welfare and it&#39;s associated costs to the budget mean nothing to you. What about the billions of dollars in the budget spent on illegal/immoral wars and defense spending?

Do you think the U.&#036; government should be in the business of subsidizing Halliburton and Bechtel?

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

For eliminating the budget deficit and the national debt it&#39;s been shown that the laizes faire republican agenda is never successful.
Look at Ragean&#39;s presidency.
And please stop it with the flaming and spam.

[Liberty Lover]

What about the billions of dollars in the budget spent on illegal/immoral wars and defense spending?

I oppose altruistic wars like the Balkans and Somalia. However the Iraq war was a necessary step to take in demonstrating our willingness to eliminate states that sponsor terrorism and posses potential unconventional weapons threats. Libya seems to have gotten the picture but we may have to gear up for a regime change in Syria and Iran.


Do you think the U.&#036; government should be in the business of subsidizing Halliburton and Bechtel?

I think the separation of state and business is as crucial as the separation of state and church.


For eliminating the budget deficit and the national debt it&#39;s been shown that the laizes faire [sic] republican agenda is never successful.

The Republican Party has never advocated laissez-faire. It is a system that has not been attempted in any country.


Look at Ragean&#39;s [sic] presidency.

The reason for the massive debt under the Reagan administration was the colossal defence build-up. It had nothing to do with supply-side economics.

[kylie]

Originally posted by [email protected] 13 2004, 05:23 PM
For eliminating the budget deficit and the national debt it&#39;s been shown that the laizes faire republican agenda is never successful.
Look at Ragean&#39;s presidency.

At the end of the conservatives last term in power in the UK, 1997, there was a surplus of 8 million. While not very much, it still is no great deficit either. The conservative party being very much in favour of the free market. It has been in fact upon the more in favour of market intervention labour parties rise to power that the deficit has increased again.

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

I just noticed your sig is a quote of mine. I&#39;m speechless.

By laizzes-faire I meant very non-interfering governemnt. Obviously not total non-intervention, but that would be the Republican&#39;s goal, I imagine.

Lover, Ragean expected jobs to be created and the middle class to increase by helping large employers to increase in size.
This was a total failure and Ragean is a cocksucker.
Not only the deficit wich he increased immensily, but other things as well.
Unemployment was higher than it had been since the Great Depression and the middle class decreased hugely.
Polution standards were relaxed and thousands of highly trained professionals, such as airline workers, also lost jobs.
The inner cities became greatly more decadent and dangerous.

And even though his relentless military spending may have contributed to his increase in deficit, the huge unemployment must have helped.

And an even bigger contributer must have been the huge amounts of tax breaks and corporate welfare payed to large companies in "hope of creating jobs". As if he ever gave a shit.

[Stapler]

Originally posted by kylie+Mar 15 2004, 08:39 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (kylie @ Mar 15 2004, 08:39 PM)
[email protected] 13 2004, 05:23 PM
For eliminating the budget deficit and the national debt it&#39;s been shown that the laizes faire republican agenda is never successful.
Look at Ragean&#39;s presidency.

At the end of the conservatives last term in power in the UK, 1997, there was a surplus of 8 million. While not very much, it still is no great deficit either. The conservative party being very much in favour of the free market. It has been in fact upon the more in favour of market intervention labour parties rise to power that the deficit has increased again. [/b]
Same here in Canada, the conservatives are quite instrumental in eliminating foreign debt, and budget defecit. However, the republican government can&#39;t be described as &#39;conservative&#39;, they are right-wing extremists representing the military industrial establishment, and they are engaged in an attempt to reduce all government into the military, effectively eliminating social welfare of every kind. These schemes have nothing to do with eliminating the deficit.