Originally posted by
[email protected] 11 2004, 04:39 PM
Anarchism is stupid.
Interesting. I am assuming, no, in fact I am certain you have absolutly no idea what anarchism is. Asserting things like this as fact does not help you and just makes you look silly. Dont do it!
What the hell could any society gain from having anarchy?
Freedom! Not just social freedom ie the freedom to choose to live the way you wanted to live but freedom from sexism, homophobia, racism and violence. Also politically because the present political system wishes to maintain the rule of a plutocracy [a rich ruling elite]. The state would also not exist because the state causes oppression and perpetuates the existence of this rich ruling elite. Economically you would gain freedom because you would not live in want. Meaning you would be provided for with basic human rights such as food, electricity and water. Instead of working for a company to make profit, people would work together for the benifit of all. We have a huge amount to gain. Fundamental and profound gains. Anarchism wishes to re-organize society so that we can live in peace and without wanting basic things which effectivly we should have for free.
What kind of technological advances happen during anarchy? None.
Actually that isn't true. Of course society would want to advance in order to better our lives. However instead of these endevours being made by corporations to be packaged and sold to us they would be done for the benifit of society as a whole for free. We would organize the production and produce technological goods for everyone, not for those who could afford it.
Seriously, laws are required for any decent society.
No, laws are designed to protect private property and maintain the control of a ruling class.
I mean, with anarchy you'd get shot walking to walmart.
I doubt very much that walmart would still exist but I take your point. Why would people shoot people? Because there was no law to say it was wrong? If that was the case, why do people get shot everyday now. There are laws in place which says that it is not acceptable yet it still happens. Of course it is wrong to shoot someone but the question is why does that happen? In order to achieve anarchism people must have a level of understanding about how they as individuals exist within the world. Simply by having an anarchist society the idea of shooting people would not exist. People would understand why shooting is wrong and indeed there would be no need for it. Most of the shootings that occur are over property in some way. Whether it be over money, drugs or because you woke some owner of a house you were robbing. These things happen because people are so alienated from society that the only way they can achieve a certain social status is if they commit crime. The nature of the economic system we live in, capitalism, means that people are forced into certain situations in order to survive. People need money to live and therefore stealing someones money and indeed shooting them means that that can happen. People loose any sense of decency because they are forced to make sure that they survive. Fuck everyone else, I have to do good and many many times that results in people being killed.
You are asserting by what you say that human beings are innately evil and that is why they commit crimes like this. I assert that human beings are not like this and in fact are forced by their social conditions to commit these acts.
"Gimme a chicken or I'm gonna shoot you", yeah, that's a real stable economy.
There are many different types of anarchism which advocate different forms of economic managment. I am an anarcho-communist, which is one of the most popular form of anarchism and in my opinion the economy would be organized along the the famous saying of Marx "from each according to their ability, to each according to their need." This means that the means of production would be turned into 'socially necessary work' ie making bread or producing electricity would be deemed as socially necessary. We need these things to survive. So instead of having factories which over produce goods to be sold, we would have people commiting themselves to working a certain amount of hours in an electricity station or a bread factory so that the work they did benifited society as a whole. In return they would be provided for. This would mean that if you did 10 hours a week socially necessary work you would recieve a house, food and electricity in return. It is a logical and fair way to organize society and something which could be very stable.
Anarchy was what we had when man was first evolving.
In a sense yes, and it worked very well. Unfortunatly being human beings and having this existence only once it was difficult for us to work out exactly how to control our lives and evolve our economic needs. We have now ended up with capitalism. It is not unsuprising and simply a fact of evolution. However, this does not mean that we should remain like this. We as humans now have the ability to concieve any idea and have the ability to see it through. Capitalism dosnt work and now we have to change it. We now have to evolve again to the final stage of history where we can live freely as I have mentioned.
Anarchy makes no sense what so ever; it's just erasing how many years of advancement in government systems and philosphies. It's completely pointless and ridiculous.
That is because you nop nothing about anarchism except what you have heard on the media or from someone else who also knows nothing about anarchism. Anarchism makes perfect sense if you understand it, so I suggest you read further on it.
Che-Lives Dictionary (http://www.che-lives.com/forum/index.php?act=ST&f=8&t=21255) This is a start which provides links to basic, intermediate and advanced information about anarchism. I would suggest reading the FAQ's, basic anarchist principles and anarchism for dummies. If you have questions about it ask them. Dont assert things to be fact as you have done without actually knowing what you are talking about.
This website is for learning. Learn! It will help you understand the world better.
The only good thing that would ever come out of anarchism is mass orgies in the streets.
This is possible if it is what people want. I think it's a great idea!