Sexual Liberation

[The Feral Underclass]

I use to live with my partner and two other men and when ever we got bored we would all have sex with each other. No one thought about anything. There were no strings attached, we simply just had sex. It was fun and we had a laugh.

My friends now are equally as liberated. Although we dont all engage in group sex we are all very open about our sexualities and sexual desires. There was a time when we didnt do this. It was looked at as being quite, secrative, until we got into a debate about sexual liberation. One of my friends said "why dont we get naked." The reason for this is, because we all believed that by freeing ourselves in such a vulnurable manner things such as sex and our attitudes towards sex would be different. It was like an experiment. That was a few years ago. Now we feel very comfortable about being naked with each other. It isnt sexual, more of a comfort thing (it's extremly comfortable being naked). We now often discuss our sexual desires and talk about masturbation and even show each other our dildos. We don't see anything wrong in it.

However, in a thread in OI about metrosexuals some people talked about how strange it was for two straight men to dance together. I know straight men who sit naked in a room together and openly discuss sex. I want to know why people are so afraid about things like this? Why is it not normal for straight men to dance or sit naked with each other or talk about sex? Why is sex such an oppressed thing? when in reality it is great fun and nothing to be ashamed of? Why are we ashamed of our bodies? and why is it so difficult to simply not care?

[SittingBull47]

Good point. people look at everyone else's lifestyles like a fucking judge. I'm cool with it. Good for you, liberating yourself. As a heterosexual, i wish some of my lady friends were equally minded. We do have long discussions about sex though, and we talk about alot of stuff.

I don't think its strange at all for guys to dance or talk together. People fear what they don't want to understand.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

I'd go around naked more often, if it was warmer and also;

1: If you're talking to someone and you have an erection, what do you say? 'excuse me'? 'It's OK, I'm not thinking of you'? It could cause friction if someone thinks you have the hots for them.

2: Any food involving spitting fat would have to be banned, so no more bacon.

3: How hygenic is it?

I'm curious as to how it works.

[The Feral Underclass]

I wasnt advocating that people should walk around naked. What I was wanting to know was why people think that sex should be such a secretive issue. People think that two straight men dancing together or sitting naked in a room together is some repressed homosexuality and that it isnt "normal." Talking about masturbation or how you like or who you like having sex with is a taboo. Why? Why are people so afraid of sex? Why do people find it so hard not to care?

[BOZG]

I cannot answer your questions other than giving the usual cliches about society etc but I fully support open sexuality as TAT has talked out about. But as usual, it's a situation which I've never been involved again because it tends to make most people uncomfortable.

[sh0cker]

Civilisation made that taboo.

[Y2A]

It's unmasculine to do so. That is why. Simple. If you want to do stuff with 3 other dudes then fine, go ahead. What pisses me off is people that try and say how "sexually liberating" and 'free" it is. Who cares? As long as I am not beating down your door telling you that you are an "inhuman" "unmoral" human being who cares???

Nuff Said.

[The Feral Underclass]

I'm interested to know the reasons why, that's all...I think it's rediculas. I'm not suggesting anything about legislation, I simply want to know why?


It's unmasculine to do so.

What is masculinity? Why is that so important to you?

[Y2A]

I'm just not sexually attracted to the same sex. What is wrong with that? I don't care if others are but I am not. That is all. Why do you feel that this is wrong?

[The Feral Underclass]

Originally posted by [email protected] 11 2004, 09:22 PM
I'm just not sexually attracted to the same sex. What is wrong with that? I don't care if others are but I am not. That is all. Why do you feel that this is wrong?
:lol: Talk about defensive...wow man, you really are showing yourself up...

Nowhere! At all, did I suggest you were a homosexual. Nor did I even think it. I find it very strange how you have asserted yourself in such a dramatic way about something that has never been the issue. What are you hiding?

My question was not about homosexuality. My question was sexual liberation. I initially said that I found it strange that two men dancing or even sitting naked in a room could be classed as wrong. You said because it is unmasuline, I am asking why you think that? I am asking what is masculinity? and I am asking why it is important to you?...nothing about being gay dude...nothing at all.....

[The Feral Underclass]

Just so everyone is absolutly clear Y2A is NOT GAY!!!

:lol: :lol: :lol:

[Y2A]

What I thought you meant was that you think that having sex with the same sex is "sexually liberation". Do you feel that way??? Or do you think that people should just be more open about sex???

[The Feral Underclass]

If two men want to fuck fine. But that's now what im talking about. I am talking about people being open about sex. I am talking about two men feeling comfortable about their bodies, not being afraid to discuss sex and masturbation or about sitting naked with each other. That is what I am talking about. I want to know why people find this uncomfortable?

[Y2A]

I dunno. Sitting naked next to a dude would just be uncomfortable. And men do talk about screwing girls all the time to each other. But why the hell would you talk about masturbation to another dude??? Seems pretty gay.

[The Feral Underclass]

Originally posted by [email protected] 11 2004, 09:43 PM
I dunno. Sitting naked next to a dude would just be uncomfortable. And men do talk about screwing girls all the time to each other. But why the hell would you talk about masturbation to another dude??? Seems pretty gay.
Sigh!!!

This is my point...why is talking about masturbation "gay." Why is that even a consideration? Why can two men not talk about masturbation with each other or feel comfortable with being naked...You're arguments are pretty stupid. Why do you feel uncomfortable?

[Y2A]

I said "seems pretty gay" to get that response from you :lol: Anyway, it's just that way. It's just uncomfortable. That is all.

[The Feral Underclass]

Originally posted by [email protected] 11 2004, 09:48 PM
Anyway, it's just that way. It's just uncomfortable. That is all.
So youy're telling me that you would feel uncomfortable for no reason at all?

[Y2A]

Originally posted by The Anarchist Tension+Mar 11 2004, 09:48 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (The Anarchist Tension @ Mar 11 2004, 09:48 PM)
[email protected] 11 2004, 09:48 PM
Anyway, it&#39;s just that way. It&#39;s just uncomfortable. That is all.
So youy&#39;re telling me that you would feel uncomfortable for no reason at all? [/b]
Yep.

[MiDnIgHtMaRaUdEr]

Originally posted by The Anarchist Tension+Mar 11 2004, 05:45 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (The Anarchist Tension @ Mar 11 2004, 05:45 PM)
[email protected] 11 2004, 09:43 PM
I dunno. Sitting naked next to a dude would just be uncomfortable. And men do talk about screwing girls all the time to each other. But why the hell would you talk about masturbation to another dude??? Seems pretty gay.
Sigh&#33;&#33;&#33;

This is my point...why is talking about masturbation "gay." Why is that even a consideration? Why can two men not talk about masturbation with each other or feel comfortable with being naked...You&#39;re arguments are pretty stupid. Why do you feel uncomfortable? [/b]
If you want to be open, then no one is stopping you. I&#39;m don&#39;t mean to offend anyone or anything, but as soon a man whips out his cock, starts waving a dildo at me, and starts talking about how much fun he had masterbating, I&#39;m getting the HELL out of there.

[Y2A]

Originally posted by MiDnIgHtMaRaUdEr+Mar 11 2004, 09:51 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (MiDnIgHtMaRaUdEr @ Mar 11 2004, 09:51 PM)
Originally posted by The Anarchist [email protected] 11 2004, 05:45 PM

[email protected] 11 2004, 09:43 PM
I dunno. Sitting naked next to a dude would just be uncomfortable. And men do talk about screwing girls all the time to each other. But why the hell would you talk about masturbation to another dude??? Seems pretty gay.
Sigh&#33;&#33;&#33;

This is my point...why is talking about masturbation "gay." Why is that even a consideration? Why can two men not talk about masturbation with each other or feel comfortable with being naked...You&#39;re arguments are pretty stupid. Why do you feel uncomfortable?
If you want to be open, then no one is stopping you. I&#39;m don&#39;t mean to offend anyone or anything, but as soon a man whips out his cock, starts waving a dildo at me, and starts talking about how much fun he had masterbating, I&#39;m getting the HELL out of there. [/b]
Exactly.

[The Feral Underclass]

Originally posted by Y2A+Mar 11 2004, 09:51 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Y2A @ Mar 11 2004, 09:51 PM)
Originally posted by The Anarchist [email protected] 11 2004, 09:48 PM

[email protected] 11 2004, 09:48 PM
Anyway, it&#39;s just that way. It&#39;s just uncomfortable. That is all.
So youy&#39;re telling me that you would feel uncomfortable for no reason at all?
Yep. [/b]
I think you&#39;re gay&#33;

[Y2A]

Naw

Edit: It&#39;s just that there is no possible way to explain it to you. It&#39;s just weird. I dunno what else you want me to say.

[The Feral Underclass]

Originally posted by [email protected] 11 2004, 09:57 PM
Naw

Edit: It&#39;s just that there is no possible way to explain it to you. It&#39;s just weird. I dunno what else you want me to say.
an idea and feeling does not simply spring out of no where without any explination....bacon sandwiches, unfortunatly, do not suddenly appear in front me...there are reasons behind things. Things make things, the dialectical process is always in motion...there has to be a reason you feel uncomfortable, otherwise you wouldnt feel it...?

[MiDnIgHtMaRaUdEr]

I am sorry, but I don&#39;t want to hear about how much fun you guys had playing grabass. Seeing people running around naked talking about masterbation while showing off dildos is just SCARY. Of course you would be nervous. If doing that is your thing, then fine, but if you are trying to do that around me then it is SEXUAL HARRASSMENT.

[The Feral Underclass]

Originally posted by MiDnIgHtMaRaUdEr+Mar 11 2004, 09:51 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (MiDnIgHtMaRaUdEr @ Mar 11 2004, 09:51 PM)
Originally posted by The Anarchist [email protected] 11 2004, 05:45 PM

[email protected] 11 2004, 09:43 PM
I dunno. Sitting naked next to a dude would just be uncomfortable. And men do talk about screwing girls all the time to each other. But why the hell would you talk about masturbation to another dude??? Seems pretty gay.
Sigh&#33;&#33;&#33;

This is my point...why is talking about masturbation "gay." Why is that even a consideration? Why can two men not talk about masturbation with each other or feel comfortable with being naked...You&#39;re arguments are pretty stupid. Why do you feel uncomfortable?
If you want to be open, then no one is stopping you. I&#39;m don&#39;t mean to offend anyone or anything, but as soon a man whips out his cock, starts waving a dildo at me, and starts talking about how much fun he had masterbating, I&#39;m getting the HELL out of there. [/b]
in isolation and randomly yes, if you didnt know the person it would appear to be strange, but that isnt what I am saying. I dont think I can explain it any better than I already have so i&#39;m not going to try....sufficid to say it would be interesting to know what youre reaction would be if your friend wanted to have a conversation about masturbation with you?

[The Feral Underclass]

Originally posted by [email protected] 11 2004, 10:05 PM
I am sorry, but I don&#39;t want to hear about how much fun you guys had playing grabass. Seeing people running around naked talking about masterbation while showing off dildos is just SCARY. Of course you would be nervous. If doing that is your thing, then fine, but if you are trying to do that around me then it is SEXUAL HARRASSMENT.
What are you afraid off?

[Y2A]

Originally posted by [email protected] 11 2004, 10:05 PM
I am sorry, but I don&#39;t want to hear about how much fun you guys had playing grabass. Seeing people running around naked talking about masterbation while showing off dildos is just SCARY. Of course you would be nervous. If doing that is your thing, then fine, but if you are trying to do that around me then it is SEXUAL HARRASSMENT.
Correct.

[MiDnIgHtMaRaUdEr]

I expect to be treated with dignity and respect, the same way I treat other people. I find perverts to be offensive. You can stop trying to bone up on Y2A when ever you&#39;re ready... Trying to convince him that he is gay isn&#39;t going to improve you&#39;re chances.

[Y2A]

Sticking a dildo in you face while walking around naked isn&#39;t treating you with respect??? You homophobic, sexually oppressed bastard&#33;&#33;&#33;

[The Feral Underclass]

Originally posted by [email protected] 11 2004, 10:08 PM
I expect to be treated with dignity and respect, the same way I treat other people. I find perverts to be offensive. You can stop trying to bone up on Y2A when ever you&#39;re ready... Trying to convince him that he is gay isn&#39;t going to improve you&#39;re chances.
So you&#39;re saying it&#39;s perverse to talk openly about sex and masturbation...is it perverse to feel comfortable with your body around other people???

I dont even know what Y2A looks like, and im not trying to convince him he&#39;s gay...he&#39;s doing a good enough of job of convincing everyone by himself...

[The Feral Underclass]

Originally posted by [email protected] 11 2004, 10:10 PM
Sticking a dildo in you face while walking around naked isn&#39;t treating you with respect??? You homophobic, sexually oppressed bastard&#33;&#33;&#33;
your being facetious now arent you...

I wasnt talking about going around naked sticking dildos in random peoples faces...I was talking about being able to discuss things with your friends about sexual things. Talking about using dildos or what ever, if that is what you wanted to do. I am asking why that is wrong, why it is wrong for two men to feel comfortable with sitting naked together in a room?

I am not talking about sexually harassing strangers...but I think you know that...either talk about this or stop hijacking the thread.

[MiDnIgHtMaRaUdEr]

That might be what you and you&#39;re friends love to do, but as for me and my friends, no way&#33; No one is stopping you and your buttbuddies from playing with yourselves, so why don&#39;t you go and leave everyone else alone?

[Y2A]

Originally posted by [email protected] 11 2004, 10:33 PM
That might be what you and you&#39;re friends love to do, but as for me and my friends, no way&#33; No one is stopping you and you&#39;re buttbuddies from playing with yourselves, so why don&#39;t you go and leave everyone else alone?
Point well taken.

[Red Guard]

Originally posted by The Anarchist Tension+Mar 11 2004, 05:25 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (The Anarchist Tension @ Mar 11 2004, 05:25 PM)
[email protected] 11 2004, 10:10 PM
Sticking a dildo in you face while walking around naked isn&#39;t treating you with respect??? You homophobic, sexually oppressed bastard&#33;&#33;&#33;
I am asking why that is wrong, why it is wrong for two men to feel comfortable with sitting naked together in a room?
[/b]
Because some people just feel uncomfortable about it. Simple as that.

[Y2A]

so why don&#39;t you go and leave everyone else alone?

Because he feels the need to force you into thinking the exact same way he thinks. It&#39;s a communist/anarchist thing.

[el_profe]

Originally posted by The Anarchist [email protected] 11 2004, 06:05 PM
I wasnt advocating that people should walk around naked. What I was wanting to know was why people think that sex should be such a secretive issue. People think that two straight men dancing together or sitting naked in a room together is some repressed homosexuality and that it isnt "normal." Talking about masturbation or how you like or who you like having sex with is a taboo. Why? Why are people so afraid of sex? Why do people find it so hard not to care?
Yes, IN China, Cuba and probably the USSR it was a secretive issue, and we all know Castro put people in jail for being homosexuals, or at least that is teh reason they gave. And Stalin also killed homosexuals.

About dancing with a guy, yes they might not be homosexual, but most guys dont dance with other men because they dont like men, and why do you think they dance with women, not because they like it (some do) but because they are trying to get laid.
Sitting naked with another guy, your probably gay if you do that. I dont no any str8 guys that do that, Its not about repressing anything , its just you dont want to see another guy naked,lol you would think it is easy to understand.

And I have no idea what view of the world you have, talking about sex and masturbation, people do talk about it no one represses it. I think someone is stuck in 1950.

You also have to understand men and women are different. They react different and treat friends differently. Men dont show the affection women show with friends. Guy usually put down one another with jokes and stuff like that, girls dont do that. That is just one example.

And you talk about people letting you do what you want, yes we are letting you do what you want. But you want us to "be liberated" and walk naked with roomates, most guys dont like to do that, that is just it. So you fuc* whoever you want and let other people do the same.

p.s. This is sort of off topic, but I was listening to somone talk about those nudist communities, and I think those are places that men just go to to see women and teenage girls get naked, that is all it is, its not about being liberating. Just like with mormons and poligamy, its more a way for the guy to have more women to fu**. (i.e. polygamy almost always is one man many women.)

[el_profe]

Originally posted by The Anarchist [email protected]Mar 11 2004, 10:25 PM
I am asking why that is wrong, why it is wrong for two men to feel comfortable with sitting naked together in a room?

I am not talking about sexually harassing strangers...but I think you know that...either talk about this or stop hijacking the thread.
Think ABout it, your gay or bi, so you have no problem with guys all ebing naked in the same room and stuff like that. Str8 guys or most guys dont like that, because they dont like men.

I think any str8 man would not have a problem if him and his gf would walk around naked in the house, why? because he likes a girl, if you dont like a guy you just dont want to see him naked, and thats it.

[Individual]

I am sorry, but I don&#39;t want to hear about how much fun you guys had playing grabass

I&#39;d reccomend calling the authorities if someone physically made you read the entire post. That is great you don&#39;t want to hear about it, however isn&#39;t that what the back button is for?


Correct.

Kiss-ass


Point well taken.

Brown-noser


Because he feels the need to force you into thinking the exact same way he thinks. It&#39;s a communist/anarchist thing.

Kiss-ass

Edit: MM and Y2A, you wouldn&#39;t happen to be the same person, would you? It sure seems like you guys share the same thoughts, or wait. Maybe that&#39;s just Y2A kissing a know-it-all&#39;s ass.

[Y2A]

Your a queerball now AQ???

[Individual]

haha. No, I can say that I am a solid heterosexual.

However where do you get off denying someone&#39;s personal freedom? Why is AnarchistTension wrong in his feelings, while you are right with yours?

That is great that you are heterosexual, however you do not need to condemn someone else, or try and censor what they have to say because you believe it is wrong.

I believe that many of your views on society, economics, and politics are wrong. However do you see me ragging on you saying that I don&#39;t want to hear them? I am the one that chose to read them, therefore why would it be your fault for posting them?

Why do you feel the need to condemn ones private life? When in no way does it affect yours? In a way, I can agree with TAT about accusing you of being homosexual. You seem to be very uncomfortable and uptight on the situation. Why is that? Something to hide Y2A?

Let people be who they are. TAT is not affecting your life, so why try and tell him right from wrong?

[Y2A]

He&#39;s the one telling us that we are "sexually repressed" for not walking around naked with other dudes. I never said anything condeming his way of life. Therefore, I am not attacking his "personal freedom" he is trying to tell us how we should feel about this.

Deal with it.

[Osman Ghazi]

MM and Y2A, you say that the reason you don&#39;t hang around with other guys naked is because you aren&#39;t attracted to guys. Well. okay, but you aren&#39;t attracted to tuna fish sandwiches either but you don&#39;t seem to have any problem with having those around. What is it about a hairy sack that makes you uncomfortable? I mean, it is just a lump of flesh, no?

[Michael De Panama]

I was hoping this would be a thread about sex, not nudity. "Sexual Liberation" isn&#39;t a very good title for this thread.

[Redalias]

From The Anarchist Tension

Why is it not normal for straight men to dance or sit naked with each other or talk about sex?

Are you male or female?

I wouldn&#39;t dance with another man because it doesn&#39;t feel right. I don&#39;t think it has anything to do with society, its just a gut feeling. Girls have less of a problem with this. Kissing, huging and such. Ask any straight man here if he would ever kiss another man... I think its just the way we are built.

I have no problem being naked infront of another man but "get naked and talk about sex"? What for?

Also you have to understand that, for whatever reason, some people are ashamed of their bodies. People that workout and have nice bodies usually show them off at every opportunity.

[Don't Change Your Name]

If you want to be open, then no one is stopping you. I&#39;m don&#39;t mean to offend anyone or anything, but as soon a man whips out his cock, starts waving a dildo at me, and starts talking about how much fun he had masterbating, I&#39;m getting the HELL out of there.


Seeing people running around naked talking about masterbation while showing off dildos is just SCARY.

I don&#39;t think that&#39;s what he&#39;s trying to tell you. He is just defying the idea of old-fashioned crap. Nobody forces you to be in that situation. If you want to, that&#39;s your thing. If you don&#39;t, I don&#39;t think such a situation will happen. Anyway, it&#39;s not like a few minutes ater the other person is raping you.


That might be what you and you&#39;re friends love to do, but as for me and my friends, no way&#33; No one is stopping you and your buttbuddies from playing with yourselves, so why don&#39;t you go and leave everyone else alone?


Because he feels the need to force you into thinking the exact same way he thinks. It&#39;s a communist/anarchist thing.


But you want us to "be liberated" and walk naked with roomates, most guys dont like to do that, that is just it.

Classical stupidity. In case you didn&#39;t notice this is a FORUM, which means people is free to post whatever they want to DISCUSS (while it follows some simple rules). Let&#39;s take a look at TAT&#39;s message (the first one, at the end):


However, in a thread in OI about metrosexuals some people talked about how strange it was for two straight men to dance together. I know straight men who sit naked in a room together and openly discuss sex. I want to know why people are so afraid about things like this? Why is it not normal for straight men to dance or sit naked with each other or talk about sex? Why is sex such an oppressed thing? when in reality it is great fun and nothing to be ashamed of? Why are we ashamed of our bodies? and why is it so difficult to simply not care?

I don&#39;t see him telling you "or you sit down naked to talk about masturbation with another man or we shoot you". He is just bringing up a discussion that defies conservative crap and to make people more tolerant (which might be hard for many considering that they fear their friend&#39;s inevitable jokes, ahtlought i doubt they would go around doing this kind of things). If you don&#39;t like this then what the hell <are you doing on a forum??? They are here to discuss, communicate, argue, and insult each other. The point of this topic was discussing about why society is so old-fashioned, close minded, ultra conservative, and why people has such a fear of homosexuality and the "different sick people".

[Loknar]

Where does the insanity end?



Ok, lets go to Steve’s house, get naked and play a game of twister. "oops, sorry, it slipped in."


I say &#39;insanity&#39; because where will this end? will be become &#39;sexually liberating&#39; to go to Georges house, fuck em in t he ass and tell your girl friend about it and have a laugh? Look I don’t care what people do in their homes or how they do things. Hell I believe in talking openly about sexual desires. Just don’t talk a bout these things as if you are a strait man.



Strait Men don’t do the following:


1) sit naked with other guys.

2) Play twister with other guys.

3) dance with other guys

4) wear double breasted jackets (not suit jackets)



True man have pride, &#39;guys&#39; don’t (Metrosexuals don’t exist, they a re either strait or bi, metro sexual is just a cheap euphemism). If you want to do what ever fine, i don’t care. Just don’t act like you&#39;re strait, because you&#39;re not.


If some guy pulls out his collection of dildos, butt plugs, anal beeds ect.. and talks about how he took a 1 foot long in t he ass I&#39;ll ay "yeah, good for you" then I&#39;m gone. Hell I&#39;d be afraid to touch anything especially since the dildo may have been moved around allot.

[Loknar]

Lets see what maddox had to say:





A tribute to REAL MEN.

http://maddox.xmission.com/c.cgi?u=real_men


When did it become acceptable in this country for a man to go from being a rugged, plaid-wearing, beef jerky eating badass to a well-groomed, "metrosexual" girly-boy like Ben Affleck? Affleck recently agreed to be a spokesman for L&#39;Oreal, with L&#39;Oreal quoted as saying "Ben embodies a new generation of men who show their strength in their personality but are not afraid to care for their appearance." Afraid of taking care of their appearances? It&#39;s not that we&#39;re afraid you assholes, it&#39;s that we don&#39;t menstruate. What next? Men getting hormone injections so they can breast feed?


"Ben embodies a new generation of men who show their strength in their personality but are not afraid to breast feed their children."
Is it okay that I don&#39;t have a sense of style? Is it okay for me to scratch myself? I&#39;m hairy. I like wearing plaid and I don&#39;t want to be told how to dress by some dude with a "queer eye." Is that okay with you sissies, or would you like me to package my balls and neatly carry them in a purse? For crying out loud. You&#39;re turning us into a nation of pussies.

That&#39;s why I wrote this tribute to real men, the kind of men who perpetuate our species, don&#39;t know what conditioner is used for, and don&#39;t apologize for not wearing makeup. Without further ado, real men:

[canikickit]

Holy fuck, Loknar. You must be the most macho person on the whole forum. The way you just list that shit off, it&#39;s so fucking true&#33; You&#39;re a genius, anyone can see it. You speak with such authority and vigour, you&#39;re like a young Rock Hudson&#33; I love you Loknar.


Hell I believe in talking openly about sexual desires

So do I. Wanna cyber? You big hunk.

[MiDnIgHtMaRaUdEr]

I am not really that fond of Maddox, but there seems to be an attitude here that if you are a beef jerky, plaid wearing guy who doesn&#39;t care how he looks, then you are some conservative, homophobic pig. I don&#39;t like going to the guys sausage festival. I am well aware that just because a guy is naked I am not going to get attacked by the one eyed monster. I like hanging around people with similiar interests, even if they don&#39;t think the exact same thing as me. Me and my friends, we talk about video games, girls, politics, stupid shit like how much fun it would be to do some senior prank. There is nothing wrong with talking about what great fun it would be if we all had a homosexual gangbang. If you want to do it, no one is stopping you. I don&#39;t have to be there, and there is nothing wrong with me for not enjoying hearing about how much fun some guy had with his collection of dildos.

[Individual]

When did it become acceptable in this country for a man to go from being a rugged, plaid-wearing, beef jerky eating badass to a well-groomed, "metrosexual" girly-boy like Ben Affleck

Loknar.

Did you forget how to comprehend what you read. Or did you forget how to read period? You should be able to figure out from your idol&#39;s quote that being metrosexual does not make you homosexual. Last I checked Ben Affleck was with... Oh who was that. Jennifer Lopez. Wait, so now I bet you&#39;ll start a conspiracy that Jennifer Lopez has a wanker; because if Ben Affleck was metrosexual, then a metro&#39; must be gay? :wacko: :wacko:


Wanna cyber? You big hunk

haha. :D . Sarcasm at it&#39;s finest.

[Redalias]

By the way, what the heck is a metrosexual?

[el_profe]

Originally posted by Osman [email protected] 12 2004, 01:25 AM
MM and Y2A, you say that the reason you don&#39;t hang around with other guys naked is because you aren&#39;t attracted to guys. Well. okay, but you aren&#39;t attracted to tuna fish sandwiches either but you don&#39;t seem to have any problem with having those around. What is it about a hairy sack that makes you uncomfortable? I mean, it is just a lump of flesh, no?
I hope this was a sarcastic post, comparing Tuna and a naked person?

Hey I dont like sitting on a couch naked with other naked men there sitting also.
If you like to do that, good for you, but dont try to tell me I am wrong because I dont like to do that.

[Loknar]

Originally posted by [email protected] 12 2004, 04:43 AM

When did it become acceptable in this country for a man to go from being a rugged, plaid-wearing, beef jerky eating badass to a well-groomed, "metrosexual" girly-boy like Ben Affleck

Loknar.

Did you forget how to comprehend what you read. Or did you forget how to read period? You should be able to figure out from your idol&#39;s quote that being metrosexual does not make you homosexual. Last I checked Ben Affleck was with... Oh who was that. Jennifer Lopez. Wait, so now I bet you&#39;ll start a conspiracy that Jennifer Lopez has a wanker; because if Ben Affleck was metrosexual, then a metro&#39; must be gay? :wacko: :wacko:


Wanna cyber? You big hunk

haha. :D . Sarcasm at it&#39;s finest.
I am telling you what I think &#39;metrosexuality&#39; means. It means that you are bi or gay, Ben is Bisexual, simple as that.

[The Feral Underclass]

Originally posted by [email protected] 11 2004, 10:33 PM
That might be what you and you&#39;re friends love to do, but as for me and my friends, no way&#33; No one is stopping you and your buttbuddies from playing with yourselves, so why don&#39;t you go and leave everyone else alone?
For a start I have reported your conservatism and borderline homophobia to an admin.

Secondly, I have never, nor do I, advocate you or your friends do anything that would make you feel uncomfortable. But that isnt what is the issue here. I dont care what you do or how you do it what interests me is why attitudes, just like yours, are so fearful, disgusted or embarresed by sexual liberation. Granted, you dont like it, fine, but why does it offend you so much? That is what I want to know.

[The Feral Underclass]

Originally posted by Comandante Cubano+Mar 11 2004, 11:01 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Comandante Cubano @ Mar 11 2004, 11:01 PM)
Originally posted by The Anarchist [email protected] 11 2004, 05:25 PM

[email protected] 11 2004, 10:10 PM
Sticking a dildo in you face while walking around naked isn&#39;t treating you with respect??? You homophobic, sexually oppressed bastard&#33;&#33;&#33;
I am asking why that is wrong, why it is wrong for two men to feel comfortable with sitting naked together in a room?

Because some people just feel uncomfortable about it. Simple as that. [/b]
I accept that that is the case. However feelings do not just appear, the are created by something. Something has to make you feel uncomfortable otherwise you wouldnt feel it.

[The Feral Underclass]

Originally posted by [email protected] 11 2004, 11:12 PM

so why don&#39;t you go and leave everyone else alone?

Because he feels the need to force you into thinking the exact same way he thinks. It&#39;s a communist/anarchist thing.
You are so fucking crazy..my god, I have never met so many crazy people...

When did I say that I wanted to force people into thinking the way I think. Are you paying attention or are you deliberatly trying to inflame the situation. No wonder capitalism is so fucked up with crazy fucks like you...jesus christ, you just distort everything I say or if there&#39;s nothing to distort you just make it up :blink:

[The Feral Underclass]

Originally posted by [email protected] 11 2004, 11:32 PM
Your a queerball now AQ???
and you&#39;re heading for a banning mate...watch the homophobis language, regardless of what context it&#39;s in...

[The Feral Underclass]

Originally posted by [email protected] 11 2004, 11:13 PM
[QUOTE=The Anarchist Tension,Mar 11 2004, 06:05 PM]

About dancing with a guy, yes they might not be homosexual, but most guys dont dance with other men because they dont like men,
What about if they were just friends and wanted to do it. Would that be wrong?


and why do you think they dance with women, not because they like it (some do) but because they are trying to get laid.

Maybe in your world, but in my world men dont automatically attempt to fuck every woman they come into contact with.


Sitting naked with another guy, your probably gay if you do that. I dont no any str8 guys that do that,

This is my point. Two men sitting naked in a room together is automatically labelled &#39;gay&#39;. What bullshit. You are telling me that if two friends wanted to sit naked in a room that they had to be gay. Is this a prerequsite for homosexuality. In fact I know many straight men who have absolutly no problem with being naked together. They don&#39;t think about sex, they do it because it&#39;s comfortable and because they just dont care. Why is that difficult to understand?


Its not about repressing anything , its just you dont want to see another guy naked,lol you would think it is easy to understand.

No I dont understand? Do cocks make you feel uncomfortable? Why does a naked man make you so uncomfortable. Siomply asserting "it just does" is not good enough. There has to be a reason.


And I have no idea what view of the world you have, talking about sex and masturbation, people do talk about it no one represses it.

Maybe this is the case. But it is very isolated and 2 dimentional in respect to schools. And could you imagine just starting ma conversation about how great your wank was yesterday. people would be outraged and uncomfortable. My question is why? Why is it not acceptable to say how much you enjoyed jacking off the other day. People are afraid of it.


You also have to understand men and women are different.

They are?


They react different and treat friends differently.

Why?


Men dont show the affection women show with friends.

What because they dont have wombs? This is a bullshit assertion. I know men who have no problem with expressing themselves. You can not generalise like this. There are reasons why you and your friends in particular find it dificult to express yourselves emotionally to each other. Is it too unmanly? If so what is being manly? Why is that so important to you?


Guy usually put down one another with jokes and stuff like that, girls dont do that. That is just one example.

This is your critique of the way men and women socially behave. Come on dude.

[The Feral Underclass]

Originally posted by [email protected] 12 2004, 02:31 AM
From The Anarchist Tension

Why is it not normal for straight men to dance or sit naked with each other or talk about sex?

Are you male or female?
I&#39;m a man...all man ;)


I wouldn&#39;t dance with another man because it doesn&#39;t feel right.

I got that bit..now i want to know why?


I don&#39;t think it has anything to do with society, its just a gut feeling. Girls have less of a problem with this. Kissing, huging and such.

So if it isnt society then you&#39;re claiming its because women have wombs and men dont. So because some people have wombs that makes them more in touch with their emotions and because some people dont have wombs they are not in touch with their emotions?


Ask any straight man here if he would ever kiss another man... I think its just the way we are built.

So it does come down to the fact that men dont have wombs...oh to be rational&#33;


I have no problem being naked infront of another man but "get naked and talk about sex"? What for?

You make it sounds so seedy. I am not asserting that the definition of sexual liberation is to get naked and then talk about sex. They are two seperate things. What happened if you were naked and the conversation got onto sex? Would that make you feel uncomfortable.


Also you have to understand that, for whatever reason, some people are ashamed of their bodies.

I fully understand and accept that.

[The Feral Underclass]

Originally posted by [email protected] 12 2004, 03:01 AM
Ok, lets go to Steve’s house, get naked and play a game of twister. "oops, sorry, it slipped in."
That is just you&#39;re interpreation. Why on earth would this happen?


will be become &#39;sexually liberating&#39; to go to Georges house, fuck em in t he ass and tell your girl friend about it and have a laugh?

Why not? Hey, you&#39;re girlfriend could join in...


I Just don’t talk a bout these things as if you are a strait man.

Why?


1) sit naked with other guys.

2) Play twister with other guys.

3) dance with other guys

4) wear double breasted jackets (not suit jackets)

Who makes these rules...to the extent of what kind of jacket you can wear? Why are these things not allowed to be done by straight men? You make sense. You&#39;re logic is all fucked up. So because a person (without a womb) finds the opposite sex attractive means taht you can not do any of those things. Where does it all come from?


Just don’t act like you&#39;re strait, because you&#39;re not.

What is you problem?

[The Feral Underclass]

Originally posted by [email protected] 12 2004, 03:39 AM
I am not really that fond of Maddox, but there seems to be an attitude here that if you are a beef jerky, plaid wearing guy who doesn&#39;t care how he looks, then you are some conservative, homophobic pig. I don&#39;t like going to the guys sausage festival. I am well aware that just because a guy is naked I am not going to get attacked by the one eyed monster. I like hanging around people with similiar interests, even if they don&#39;t think the exact same thing as me. Me and my friends, we talk about video games, girls, politics, stupid shit like how much fun it would be to do some senior prank. There is nothing wrong with talking about what great fun it would be if we all had a homosexual gangbang. If you want to do it, no one is stopping you. I don&#39;t have to be there, and there is nothing wrong with me for not enjoying hearing about how much fun some guy had with his collection of dildos.
I dont understand why this thread has become a playgroud for defending yourself. No one is asking or question anything about you. No one cares what you would do or what you wouldnt do, that isnt the question.

[Rasta Sapian]

sexual liberation eh? I though sex was enough liberating itself to begin with&#33;
regarless of what is riding on the jack hammer, I feel very liberated :P
talking about sex while sitting naked just sounds like foreplay to me :huh:
but what can u say? Different strokes for different folks :)

[The Feral Underclass]

Originally posted by el_profe+Mar 12 2004, 05:25 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (el_profe @ Mar 12 2004, 05:25 AM)
Osman [email protected] 12 2004, 01:25 AM
MM and Y2A, you say that the reason you don&#39;t hang around with other guys naked is because you aren&#39;t attracted to guys. Well. okay, but you aren&#39;t attracted to tuna fish sandwiches either but you don&#39;t seem to have any problem with having those around. What is it about a hairy sack that makes you uncomfortable? I mean, it is just a lump of flesh, no?
I hope this was a sarcastic post, comparing Tuna and a naked person?

Hey I dont like sitting on a couch naked with other naked men there sitting also.
If you like to do that, good for you, but dont try to tell me I am wrong because I dont like to do that. [/b]
Again this isnt about what each and all of us would like to do. Its about a wider context. Why is it that people feel uncomfortable about it? What are people scared off. So far you MM and Y2A have gone out of your way to tell everyone what you would and would not do. What&#39;s the point you&#39;re trying to make?

[The Feral Underclass]

Originally posted by Loknar+Mar 12 2004, 06:09 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Loknar @ Mar 12 2004, 06:09 AM)
[email protected] 12 2004, 04:43 AM

When did it become acceptable in this country for a man to go from being a rugged, plaid-wearing, beef jerky eating badass to a well-groomed, "metrosexual" girly-boy like Ben Affleck

Loknar.

Did you forget how to comprehend what you read. Or did you forget how to read period? You should be able to figure out from your idol&#39;s quote that being metrosexual does not make you homosexual. Last I checked Ben Affleck was with... Oh who was that. Jennifer Lopez. Wait, so now I bet you&#39;ll start a conspiracy that Jennifer Lopez has a wanker; because if Ben Affleck was metrosexual, then a metro&#39; must be gay? :wacko: :wacko:


Wanna cyber? You big hunk

haha. :D . Sarcasm at it&#39;s finest.
I am telling you what I think &#39;metrosexuality&#39; means. It means that you are bi or gay, Ben is Bisexual, simple as that. [/b]
I just find it absolutly amazing that someone can automatically assume that because a man likes to look good he is bi or gay without every meeting the person and with piss poor logic. Why is Ben Affleck bixsexual? What is it about wanting to look good that makes you bisexual?

[Redalias]

From The Anarchist Tension

So if it isnt society then you&#39;re claiming its because women have wombs and men dont. So because some people have wombs that makes them more in touch with their emotions and because some people dont have wombs they are not in touch with their emotions?

I don&#39;t think it has anything to do with being in touch with your feelings. I&#39;m not a woman so I don&#39;t know what it feels like to be a woman but I gather that men and women experience sexuality differently. Kissing is a case in point. I have straight female friends that have no problem french kissing each other but I don&#39;t know any straight man that would do the same. If you want to argue that that is so because of social conditioning go ahead but I seriously doubt it.


What happened if you were naked and the conversation got onto sex? Would that make you feel uncomfortable.

I don&#39;t think so... I&#39;m not uncomfortable with male nudity, I&#39;m indifferent. I have no problem talking about sex but I don&#39;t usually tell people the private details of my sex life. Why not? Well because they&#39;re mine, mine and hers.

[MiDnIgHtMaRaUdEr]

Originally posted by The Anarchist Tension+Mar 12 2004, 05:14 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (The Anarchist Tension @ Mar 12 2004, 05:14 AM)
Originally posted by [email protected] 12 2004, 05:25 AM

Osman [email protected] 12 2004, 01:25 AM
MM and Y2A, you say that the reason you don&#39;t hang around with other guys naked is because you aren&#39;t attracted to guys. Well. okay, but you aren&#39;t attracted to tuna fish sandwiches either but you don&#39;t seem to have any problem with having those around. What is it about a hairy sack that makes you uncomfortable? I mean, it is just a lump of flesh, no?
I hope this was a sarcastic post, comparing Tuna and a naked person?

Hey I dont like sitting on a couch naked with other naked men there sitting also.
If you like to do that, good for you, but dont try to tell me I am wrong because I dont like to do that.
Again this isnt about what each and all of us would like to do. Its about a wider context. Why is it that people feel uncomfortable about it? What are people scared off. So far you MM and Y2A have gone out of your way to tell everyone what you would and would not do. What&#39;s the point you&#39;re trying to make? [/b]
Let&#39;s just say... running about naked with your bits flopping around talking about sex with other men is conducive to getting on the wrong side of Bubba. By your logic TAT, anyone who does not enjoy the company of other naked man who talk about sex and show off dildos is a homophobic conservative. I don&#39;t think that I am one, I just think that you are politically insane.

[The Feral Underclass]

Originally posted by [email protected] 12 2004, 12:56 PM
By your logic TAT, anyone who does not enjoy the company of other naked man who talk about sex and show off dildos is a homophobic conservative. I don&#39;t think that I am one, I just think that you are politically insane.

But it is perfectly logical to think that any man who sits naked in a room with another man or dares to look after his appearence is gay or bisexual.

I have explained my position, several times. If you are finding it hard to understand I suggest you stop posting in this topic.


Let&#39;s just say... running about naked with your bits flopping around talking about sex with other men is conducive to getting on the wrong side of Bubba.

It&#39;s interesting how you have taken this position and reduced it to some kind of play ground game. You are probably the dumbest person I have ever been unfortunate enough to meet.

[Osman Ghazi]

El_Profe, the point I was trying to make is this:
Does a tuna fish sandwich sitting around make you uncomfortable? No.
Does a huamn hand make you uncomfortable? No.
Does a dismembered human hand make you uncomfortable? Possibly.
Does a dismembered set of balls make you uncomfortable? Maybe.
Does an attached set of balls make uncomfortable? Yes.

So, they are all made out of the same stuff (except the sandwich) but some of them make you uncomfortable. Why? Because one is used for sex? You cold use your hand for sex too but that doesn&#39;t seem to upset you.

Bottom Line: What is it about a set of balls that makes you so uncomfortable?

Redalias: Of course it is only because of societal conceptions that people are uncomfortable. Are you telling me that TAT has genetic defects which cause him not to be apalled by a set of balls? Taht&#39;s just facetious.

[SittingBull47]

Originally posted by [email protected] 11 2004, 09:11 PM
It&#39;s unmasculine to do so. That is why. Simple. If you want to do stuff with 3 other dudes then fine, go ahead. What pisses me off is people that try and say how "sexually liberating" and &#39;free" it is. Who cares? As long as I am not beating down your door telling you that you are an "inhuman" "unmoral" human being who cares???

Nuff Said.
Well, least your not calling him "inhuman/immoral". If nobody cares about how sexually liberating it is, why do you make a point of referring to it?

[Nordic Rebel]

Some people here have claimed that its natural for streight men to feel unconfortable being naked in the presence of other naked men, but I clain that its purely a cultural thing because here in Finland its perfectedly natural to be naked in the sauna in the precence of the members of same sex (But the sexes are usually segregated). The bathin in sauna is often a social gathering were friends come to spend time together. In the sauna people usually talk about the basic stuff (politics, work,hobbies, etc, etc).

For example in the hausing corporation (of some 50-60 appartments) where I live there are communal saunas and swimming pools and its perfectly natural to bath in the sauna and go swimming naked. The saunas are segregated i.e women go use the sauna and the pool in building A and the men in the building B but some times for example in our Scout troop (Karhunvartijat) and other Scouting events I have taken a part of its not rare to have mixed saunas where both sexes are present and sometimes naked(depending on mutual agreement). I think that it wouldn&#39;t be too farfetched to claim that nearly all Finns will spend time naked in the presence of total strangers and a greater deal with their friends and relatives and that its not problematic for a great majority of them.

Despite this openess most Finns feel unconfrotable beeing naked in the public outside of saunas, so it&#39;s quite clear, to me at least, that the models for our attitudes to nudity and sexuality are formed by the society in which we live in so I&#39;d be most cautious to claim some thing(s) on human nature.


(edit: added the end of first paragraf and did some sall changes)

[Loknar]

Ok, anarchy, this is why true strait men would be uncomfortable with sitting around with naked men.



If you go to the gym and shower naked, that’s fine, there is nothing gay about it. But if you go to your buddies house and sit down naked and have a conversation, there is something odd to us about it. It&#39;s a natural instinct. If a guy puts his arm around me I will him to fuck off (I have had to do it). If a strait woman reached down in your pants, anarchy, and started playing with your junk wouldn’t you be uncomfortable?

[Hiero]

Your idiots for replying in here TAT just wanted to start a argument and ambush people with his scenarios then call everyone a homphob. TAT go watch that south park episode where MR garison was trying to get fired for being Gay in front of the students and everyone thought they were being tolerate by letting him by his natural way. I think you could learn alot of the end saying.
And on your first post i think that is really irresonpsiable and lacking in morals in having a gang bang. Sexual lebiration will lead to a porn state.

[Hiero]

Originally posted by The Anarchist [email protected] 12 2004, 09:13 AM
I dont understand why this thread has become a playgroud for defending yourself. No one is asking or question anything about you. No one cares what you would do or what you wouldnt do, that isnt the question.
YOu are tat just have a look at your post. No one has to tell you why the fell uncomftable about sitituation with other men as you dont have to with your homoi erotic behave.

[Osman Ghazi]

It&#39;s a natural instinct.

It isn&#39;t a &#39;natural instinst&#39; because that would imply that all men were born with it.
It is something that is learned. However, all TAT is trying to say is that it is quite arbitrary really.

[BuyOurEverything]

TAT: Honestly, I would feel uncomfortable doing what you described. Why? Homophobia is so deeply ingrained in our culture, it seems natural. It has nothing to do with genetics. Males are taught from birth to be afraid of any behaviour at all that could be considered &#39;homosexual.&#39; It is one thing to realize that this is bullshit but it can be very difficult to remove all traces of your conditioning, especially when you&#39;re still emersed in a homophobic culture.

[Don't Change Your Name]

Originally posted by [email protected] 13 2004, 12:46 AM
Ok, anarchy, this is why true strait men would be uncomfortable with sitting around with naked men.



If you go to the gym and shower naked, that’s fine, there is nothing gay about it. But if you go to your buddies house and sit down naked and have a conversation, there is something odd to us about it. It&#39;s a natural instinct.
Guess what? Your male ancestors would go around naked in front of the other males&#33;&#33;&#33; And even male dogs sometimes smell other male dogs "areas"&#33;


The problem is that we males have fear of some gay raping us or turning us into gay, or people thinking that we are gay.

[BuyOurEverything]

The problem is that we males have fear of some gay raping us or turning us into gay, or people thinking that we are gay.

I don&#39;t think it&#39;s because of fear of rape, but because of fear of people thinking we are gay.

[MiDnIgHtMaRaUdEr]

If you don&#39;t enjoy seeing naked men talk about masterbation, then you are definately a homophobe who must be restricted. <_<

[Individual]

If you don&#39;t enjoy seeing naked men talk about masterbation, then you are definately a homophobe who must be restricted.

No it&#39;s more like;

If you don&#39;t enjoy seeing naked men talk about masterbation, atleast don&#39;t come out with homophobic remarks.

MM, my guess is that you were restricted due to a laundry list of things. You are a known spammer. You have a serious problem with women, homosexual&#39;s, and about 95% of the members on Che-Lives. You continue to insult people. You no longer post anything of intelligence. You contribute nothing to any debate beside commenting on someone/thing.

Really, I can&#39;t believe you didn&#39;t see it coming.

[MiDnIgHtMaRaUdEr]

Originally posted by [email protected] 13 2004, 02:32 AM

If you don&#39;t enjoy seeing naked men talk about masterbation, then you are definately a homophobe who must be restricted.

No it&#39;s more like;

If you don&#39;t enjoy seeing naked men talk about masterbation, atleast don&#39;t come out with homophobic remarks.

MM, my guess is that you were restricted due to a laundry list of things. You are a known spammer. You have a serious problem with women, homosexual&#39;s, and about 95% of the members on Che-Lives. You continue to insult people. You no longer post anything of intelligence. You contribute nothing to any debate beside commenting on someone/thing.

Really, I can&#39;t believe you didn&#39;t see it coming.
No, I think it&#39;s more you have a problem with men, and stright people who don&#39;t enjoy the company of naked men showing off their goods.

[The Feral Underclass]

Originally posted by [email protected] 13 2004, 12:46 AM
If you go to the gym and shower naked, that’s fine, there is nothing gay about it. But if you go to your buddies house and sit down naked and have a conversation, there is something odd to us about it.
So what it comes down to is your fear of being labelled &#39;gay.&#39; Why do you care so much if someone thinks you&#39;re gay?


It&#39;s a natural instinct. If a guy puts his arm around me I will him to fuck off (I have had to do it).

There is nothing natural about being uncomfortable by human contact. If a man put his arm around you, gay or not, that would autmotically make you think that there was something sexual going on. Why?


If a strait woman reached down in your pants, anarchy, and started playing with your junk wouldn’t you be uncomfortable?

Putting your hands around someones balls and putting your arm around someones shoulders are a little different. If a complete stranger came up to me and put her hands down my boxers I would feel a little annoyed, not necessarily uncomfortable. Shocked and angered maybe. My friends on the other hand, the straight women I mean, wouldnt put their hands down my trousers.

That is not the same as having a friend put their arm around you. All my friends hug and give each other a kiss on the cheek when we say good bye to each other, straight, gay, man, woman. Because of this, and because no one cares, or even considers caring, I find it incomprehensable how someone like you, would feel uncomfortable and even angered if a male friend tried to give you a hug. It&#39;s amazing...what kind of bullshit must be going around your head...i just dont understand.

[The Feral Underclass]

Originally posted by comrade [email protected] 13 2004, 04:35 AM
Your idiots for replying in here TAT just wanted to start a argument and ambush people with his scenarios then call everyone a homphob.
I didnt called everyone a homophobe. Just those who were being homophobic.


TAT go watch that south park episode where MR garison was trying to get fired for being Gay in front of the students and everyone thought they were being tolerate by letting him by his natural way. I think you could learn alot of the end saying.

No&#33;


And on your first post i think that is really irresonpsiable and lacking in morals in having a gang bang. Sexual lebiration will lead to a porn state.

You tit&#33;

[The Feral Underclass]

Originally posted by [email protected] 13 2004, 06:27 AM
If you don&#39;t enjoy seeing naked men talk about masterbation, then you are definately a homophobe who must be restricted. <_<
Calling people buttbuddies is not the way to go around proving you&#39;re not a homophobe...

[Hiero]

Seriously go wacth that south park episode and you will be seing more clear.

[The Feral Underclass]

Originally posted by comrade [email protected] 13 2004, 09:13 AM
Seriously go wacth that south park episode and you will be seing more clear.
No&#33;

[Eastside Revolt]

Why is it not normal for straight men to dance or sit naked with each other or talk about sex?

I can&#39;t speak for all straight men, but dancing (in a bar, or club) is something overtly sexual. Now doesn&#39;t mean I expect to have sex with every woman I dance with (I dance with my freinds&#39; girlfreinds all the time), but I am generally dancing to make the woman happy. Unless I am on E, I generally don&#39;t dance, unless it is with a woman.

Why is sex such an oppressed thing?

Explain?

When in reality it is great fun and nothing to be ashamed of?

Sex is great fun, agreed. If you are talking about man to man, the best way I can desribe it is if you can imagine really not wanting to have sex with a particular person, and imagine that person is all human males. If you&#39;re talikng about anal sex; last time I treid that with a woman she wasn&#39;t the happiest. The one and only time a woman ever treid to shove something in me, I stopped her immediately, and it ruined the mood.

Why are we ashamed of our bodies? and why is it so difficult to simply not care?

I ain&#39;t ashamed of my body, and neither are most men, we are just ashamed of eachother&#39;s bodies :P .

Seriously though, I have often pondered this myself. The only thing I can imagine is that it has been worked into me by my culture. I guess what this all comes down to is the penis. When I accidentally get I glance of someones shlong I am disgusted, and maybe a little angry, I&#39;m sorry this is the truth. The most positive way I have ever dealt with seeing someone&#39;s dick on TV or whatever is to think "well, my dick ain&#39;t that small after all".

[el_profe]

Originally posted by The Anarchist [email protected] 12 2004, 08:25 AM

[QUOTE=The Anarchist Tension,Mar 11 2004, 06:05 PM]

About dancing with a guy, yes they might not be homosexual, but most guys dont dance with other men because they dont like men,
What about if they were just friends and wanted to do it. Would that be wrong?


and why do you think they dance with women, not because they like it (some do) but because they are trying to get laid.

Maybe in your world, but in my world men dont automatically attempt to fuck every woman they come into contact with.






No it would not be wrong, I said most men dont want to dance with other men, if you do it doesnt mean your gay.



Sitting naked with another guy, your probably gay if you do that. I dont no any str8 guys that do that,

This is my point. Two men sitting naked in a room together is automatically labelled &#39;gay&#39;. What bullshit. You are telling me that if two friends wanted to sit naked in a room that they had to be gay. Is this a prerequsite for homosexuality. In fact I know many straight men who have absolutly no problem with being naked together. They don&#39;t think about sex, they do it because it&#39;s comfortable and because they just dont care. Why is that difficult to understand?
I said probably. But look in gyms or spa&#39;s. Men in licker rooms are usually naked and some or most are not gay. Ansd when i go into a locker room of a gym and see 60 yr olds walking naked it feels more disgusting than anything, like seeing a fat chick naked or an old women a naked, it just something you prefer not to see. If 2 str8 guys fell compfortable walking naked in therye house good for them, I dont like looking at other guys naked so i wouldnt want to do that.



Its not about repressing anything , its just you dont want to see another guy naked,lol you would think it is easy to understand.

No I dont understand? Do cocks make you feel uncomfortable? Why does a naked man make you so uncomfortable. Siomply asserting "it just does" is not good enough. There has to be a reason.
usually things you dont like make you feel uncomfortable. Its just i dont like it thats it. I dont like nascar, because i dont like it. There is not this great explanation for everything you dont like.



And I have no idea what view of the world you have, talking about sex and masturbation, people do talk about it no one represses it.

Maybe this is the case. But it is very isolated and 2 dimentional in respect to schools. And could you imagine just starting ma conversation about how great your wank was yesterday. people would be outraged and uncomfortable. My question is why? Why is it not acceptable to say how much you enjoyed jacking off the other day. People are afraid of it.
WTF are you talking about? guys talk about sex all the time, lol. And they talk about porn all the time and they also talk about jacking off. What world are you living in? Lol, no one is afraid of talking about it, people talk about it. Your trying to make an issue of something that doesnt happen. Guys do talk about porn,sex and masturbation(no tall the time, lol) but they do talk about it, maybe you would like to talk about it all day. No one represses it, your stuck in 1950 and they where proabbly talking about it in 1950.
Hey reality called, it said it want&#39;s you to come back :lol: :lol:




You also have to understand men and women are different.

They are?


They react different and treat friends differently.

Why?


Men dont show the affection women show with friends.

What because they dont have wombs? This is a bullshit assertion. I know men who have no problem with expressing themselves. You can not generalise like this. There are reasons why you and your friends in particular find it dificult to express yourselves emotionally to each other. Is it too unmanly? If so what is being manly? Why is that so important to you?


Guy usually put down one another with jokes and stuff like that, girls dont do that. That is just one example.

This is your critique of the way men and women socially behave. Come on dude.
Its not an assertion its the truth. Ask any pshyclologist or pshysoanlist or people that study this. MEN AND WOMEN ARE DIFFERENT, why is it so hard for you to understand that.
Its not that its too unmanly or maybe it is, but that is how it is, it is just how things are, not all men are like that but most are. Its like fighting for fun, guys do sore of fight for fun (ask anyone here if they have or do that, fight with friend for fun, i dont mean like punching in the face, but like seeing who hit the hardest in the arm and shit like that), women dont usually do that, they just dont.

Fuck i cant believe you dont want to accept men and women are different.

[Y2A]

He just wants to force everything to be equal. Women and Men are just different. That&#39;s all. He doesn&#39;t want to listen to logic, therefore there is no way of debating with him.

[MiDnIgHtMaRaUdEr]

Everyone is different from everyone else. Not only are men different then women, but men are also different from each other. There is no reason why people can&#39;t be different AND equal.

[Bad Grrrl Agro]

I have no problem with sexual stuff as long as you not "in my face" about it

[The Feral Underclass]

No it would not be wrong, I said most men dont want to dance with other men, if you do it doesnt mean your gay.

Ok


I said probably. But look in gyms or spa&#39;s. Men in licker rooms are usually naked and some or most are not gay. Ansd when i go into a locker room of a gym and see 60 yr olds walking naked it feels more disgusting than anything, like seeing a fat chick naked or an old women a naked, it just something you prefer not to see. If 2 str8 guys fell compfortable walking naked in therye house good for them, I dont like looking at other guys naked so i wouldnt want to do that.

Ok


usually things you dont like make you feel uncomfortable. Its just i dont like it thats it. I dont like nascar, because i dont like it. There is not this great explanation for everything you dont like.

Ok


Its not an assertion its the truth. Ask any pshyclologist or pshysoanlist or people that study this. MEN AND WOMEN ARE DIFFERENT...Fuck i cant believe you dont want to accept men and women are different.

I never said they werent. I am asking why. You claim thats just the way it is. Well, I dont buy that. Things do not just happen because of nothing. Men and women do not look at emotions etc differently for no reason. Or, the only reason as far as I see it, is because of the fact they are physically different. Having a womb does not make you act differently to people who do not have a womb. I am not claiming men and women are not different. I am asking why?


why is it so hard for you to understand that.
Its not that its too unmanly or maybe it is, but that is how it is, it is just how things are, not all men are like that but most are.

Why?

[Comrade BNS]

Ok no one has really answered TAT (excepting a couple of people)

Why don&#39;t guys sit around naked with each other and discuss sexual matters?

Because soceity has bashed it into our heads from a young age that it&#39;s wrong and bad etc... even for some one like myself who is very open minded, these are pretty big barriers to break down, and also to do something like this connotates there must be a fairly intimate relationship between two people, and I mean intimate in a non-sexual way (like you&#39;d have had to been through heaps together etc..) and relationships this close are not very common among the male of the species.

Also it is not necessarily that a guy will feel uncomfortable about it, it is that he will feel unsure about his friend or whoever, because as I said earlier it&#39;s "wrong" and "bad" to do this sort of thing.

And for the record people, I am not gay. 100% straight and not a doubt in my mind. Like someone said earlier, if your not attracted to guys, you shouldn&#39;t have a problem hanging around them starkers. And I know alot of guys probably feel fairly open towards this but are afraid to say anything because of sub-conscious peer pressures etc... but fuck em... I&#39;m not saying "let&#39;s have a party my place this weekend, BYO, but leave the clothes at home" but that there&#39;s absolutely nothing wrong with it whatsoever.

Comrade BNS

[MiDnIgHtMaRaUdEr]

Originally posted by Comrade [email protected] 13 2004, 07:03 PM
Ok no one has really answered TAT (excepting a couple of people)

Why don&#39;t guys sit around naked with each other and discuss sexual matters?

Because soceity has bashed it into our heads from a young age that it&#39;s wrong and bad etc... even for some one like myself who is very open minded, these are pretty big barriers to break down, and also to do something like this connotates there must be a fairly intimate relationship between two people, and I mean intimate in a non-sexual way (like you&#39;d have had to been through heaps together etc..) and relationships this close are not very common among the male of the species.

Also it is not necessarily that a guy will feel uncomfortable about it, it is that he will feel unsure about his friend or whoever, because as I said earlier it&#39;s "wrong" and "bad" to do this sort of thing.

And for the record people, I am not gay. 100% straight and not a doubt in my mind. Like someone said earlier, if your not attracted to guys, you shouldn&#39;t have a problem hanging around them starkers. And I know alot of guys probably feel fairly open towards this but are afraid to say anything because of sub-conscious peer pressures etc... but fuck em... I&#39;m not saying "let&#39;s have a party my place this weekend, BYO, but leave the clothes at home" but that there&#39;s absolutely nothing wrong with it whatsoever.

Comrade BNS
If you are not gay, then you would not have a reason to hang around guys naked. Why would you want to unless you are going to have a whose got the biggest weenie contest?

[The Feral Underclass]

I like the way straight men always reaffirm their sexuality when discussing homosexuality...Not just straight...But 100% straight.


If you are not gay, then you would not have a reason to hang around guys naked.

Because they want too...it&#39;s fun, it&#39;s liberating...it&#39;s comfortable...it&#39;s funny&#33;

[MiDnIgHtMaRaUdEr]

Originally posted by The Anarchist [email protected] 13 2004, 08:16 PM
Because they want too...it&#39;s fun, it&#39;s liberating...it&#39;s comfortable...it&#39;s funny&#33;
If you&#39;re gay&#33;

[The Feral Underclass]

Originally posted by MiDnIgHtMaRaUdEr+Mar 14 2004, 12:40 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (MiDnIgHtMaRaUdEr @ Mar 14 2004, 12:40 AM)
The Anarchist [email protected] 13 2004, 08:16 PM
Because they want too...it&#39;s fun, it&#39;s liberating...it&#39;s comfortable...it&#39;s funny&#33;
If you&#39;re gay&#33; [/b]
no.....no....listen...it has nothng to do with sexuality...you are making it have something to do with sexuality...they dont...they just want to do it...why is that so difficult to comprehend?

[Loknar]

Originally posted by The Anarchist [email protected] 13 2004, 08:47 AM




There is nothing natural about being uncomfortable by human contact. If a man put his arm around you, gay or not, that would autmotically make you think that there was something sexual going on. Why?


first you are putting you’re arm around your friend, then you hold hands, before you know it you are on your knees.




Putting your hands around someones balls and putting your arm around someones shoulders are a little different. If a complete stranger came up to me and put her hands down my boxers I would feel a little annoyed, not necessarily uncomfortable. Shocked and angered maybe. My friends on the other hand, the straight women I mean, wouldnt put their hands down my trousers.


Hey I’d be uncomfortable with a man putting his down my shorts. I n fact if it ever happened there would be hell....

and the &#39;fag hag&#39; you hang around with is probably in love with you. she really hates that you&#39;re gay. This is not meant as an insult.



That is not the same as having a friend put their arm around you. All my friends hug and give each other a kiss on the cheek when we say good bye to each other, straight, gay, man, woman. Because of this, and because no one cares, or even considers caring, I find it incomprehensable how someone like you, would feel uncomfortable and even angered if a male friend tried to give you a hug. It&#39;s amazing...what kind of bullshit must be going around your head...i just dont understand.


a short hug is different. but fuck dude, you expect me to sit naked and play twister, and pretend that there is nothing gay about it. dude, you are a homosexual an thus more in touch with your &#39;inner sister&#39; or &#39;inner child&#39; (what ever you call it), strait men usually aren’t.

[RedCeltic]

I’ve mentioned previously on this board that I practice Wicca but I’ve never really talked much about my experience practicing it. (Which is relevant to this topic).

While today I mostly practice solitary, for several years I practiced with a Gardenerian coven. Anyone who knows much about Wicca can tell you that ritual nudity is part of the tradition.

I was pretty apprehensive about sitting in a room full of nude people I hardly knew. I just didn’t know where to look. I didn’t want to be caught looking at some woman’s breasts or some guy’s penis and I would never have forgiven myself for the embarrassment of getting a hard on during a ritual&#33; The first half of the whole affair I was pretty nervous and felt extremely uncomfortable. But after I just put the mundane world behind me and focused on the spiritual, what I had on my body didn’t really matter at all.

After ritual, Wiccans “ground” their energy by having “cakes and wine.” This is sort of the time where we unwind, and sit and chat awhile. Mostly topics of conversation are focused on “the craft” but conversation on sex isn’t a forbidden topic as it is a fertility religion.

But by the time I had ever sit with a group talking about sex I had already become “disembodied” if you will… and so the thought that I was talking about sex with naked men and women (some gay some straight) really didn’t matter as we were beyond all of that.

So I have experienced this “liberating” feeling that The Anarchist Tension is talking about, although for me it took on a whole different aspect. Not wanting to focus on my hairy flabby body out and exposed for all to see as I awkwardly moved about someone’s living room, I completely focused on the spiritual and everything gained so much more meaning.

[The Feral Underclass]

Originally posted by [email protected] 14 2004, 01:26 AM
I’ve mentioned previously on this board that I practice Wicca but I’ve never really talked much about my experience practicing it. (Which is relevant to this topic).

While today I mostly practice solitary, for several years I practiced with a Gardenerian coven. Anyone who knows much about Wicca can tell you that ritual nudity is part of the tradition.

I was pretty apprehensive about sitting in a room full of nude people I hardly knew. I just didn’t know where to look. I didn’t want to be caught looking at some woman’s breasts or some guy’s penis and I would never have forgiven myself for the embarrassment of getting a hard on during a ritual&#33; The first half of the whole affair I was pretty nervous and felt extremely uncomfortable. But after I just put the mundane world behind me and focused on the spiritual, what I had on my body didn’t really matter at all.

After ritual, Wiccans “ground” their energy by having “cakes and wine.” This is sort of the time where we unwind, and sit and chat awhile. Mostly topics of conversation are focused on “the craft” but conversation on sex isn’t a forbidden topic as it is a fertility religion.

But by the time I had ever sit with a group talking about sex I had already become “disembodied” if you will… and so the thought that I was talking about sex with naked men and women (some gay some straight) really didn’t matter as we were beyond all of that.

So I have experienced this “liberating” feeling that The Anarchist Tension is talking about, although for me it took on a whole different aspect. Not wanting to focus on my hairy flabby body out and exposed for all to see as I awkwardly moved about someone’s living room, I completely focused on the spiritual and everything gained so much more meaning.
And didnt it feel great. This is the point I am making. Being naked dosnt have to be about sex. Even when you&#39;re talking about sex. Being naked shouldnt be confined in that box where everyone feels uncomfortable or are worried about being labelled gay.

[The Feral Underclass]

Originally posted by Loknar+Mar 14 2004, 01:24 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Loknar @ Mar 14 2004, 01:24 AM)
The Anarchist [email protected] 13 2004, 08:47 AM




There is nothing natural about being uncomfortable by human contact. If a man put his arm around you, gay or not, that would autmotically make you think that there was something sexual going on. Why?


first you are putting you’re arm around your friend, then you hold hands, before you know it you are on your knees.




Putting your hands around someones balls and putting your arm around someones shoulders are a little different. If a complete stranger came up to me and put her hands down my boxers I would feel a little annoyed, not necessarily uncomfortable. Shocked and angered maybe. My friends on the other hand, the straight women I mean, wouldnt put their hands down my trousers.


Hey I’d be uncomfortable with a man putting his down my shorts. I n fact if it ever happened there would be hell....

and the &#39;fag hag&#39; you hang around with is probably in love with you. she really hates that you&#39;re gay. This is not meant as an insult.



That is not the same as having a friend put their arm around you. All my friends hug and give each other a kiss on the cheek when we say good bye to each other, straight, gay, man, woman. Because of this, and because no one cares, or even considers caring, I find it incomprehensable how someone like you, would feel uncomfortable and even angered if a male friend tried to give you a hug. It&#39;s amazing...what kind of bullshit must be going around your head...i just dont understand.


a short hug is different. but fuck dude, you expect me to sit naked and play twister, and pretend that there is nothing gay about it. dude, you are a homosexual an thus more in touch with your &#39;inner sister&#39; or &#39;inner child&#39; (what ever you call it), strait men usually aren’t. [/b]
I&#39;m sorry, i cant discuss anything else with you. If you want to see my answer to your points, re read the thread. I&#39;m done&#33;

[Vinny Rafarino]

first you are putting you’re arm around your friend, then you hold hands, before you know it you are on your knees.



Well perhaps that&#39;s the case with YOU Cocknar. You know son, I have noticed something very queer about your behaviour when this topic comes up....Hmmmmm perhaps you should think about that.



Why don&#39;t guys sit around naked with each other and discuss sexual matters?



Because I personally find the scenario absurd. Not because I have some sort of fear of naked men, more because I can&#39;t for the life of me find a credible reason why I PERSONALLY would ever do this. It is just a situation that I give a VERY LOW level of importance when considering the many social engagements I have had or would like to have in the future.


Let&#39;s look at it like this. It&#39;s COMPLETELY ACCEPTABLE for several men to drop their keks and have a chat, whether or not sex is an issue.


It&#39;s also COMPLETELY ACCEPTABLE for several men to NOT engage in this activity as well. For some people, sexual liberation is an issue better left suited to other people, again not because they are adamantly against this kind of activity but simply because they really don&#39;t care about it.

Well that&#39;s just me I reckon.



a short hug is different. but fuck dude, you expect me to sit naked and play twister, and pretend that there is nothing gay about it. dude, you are a homosexual an thus more in touch with your &#39;inner sister&#39; or &#39;inner child&#39; (what ever you call it), strait men usually aren’t.


Does this thought make you horny Cocknar? C&#39;mon mate, you can tell us...This is just a message board you know.



And for the record people, I am not gay. 100% straight and not a doubt in my mind. Like someone said earlier, if your not attracted to guys, you shouldn&#39;t have a problem hanging around them starkers. And I know alot of guys probably feel fairly open towards this but are afraid to say anything because of sub-conscious peer pressures etc... but fuck em... I&#39;m not saying "let&#39;s have a party my place this weekend, BYO, but leave the clothes at home" but that there&#39;s absolutely nothing wrong with it whatsoever.



Not to break your balls mate, but this statement really reads "There&#39;s nothing wrong with gays, I mean some of my BEST FRIENDS are gay".