Spain131 confirmed dead and 400 injured in attacks

[Y2A]

http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/europe/03/11...asts/index.html (http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/europe/03/11/spain.blasts/index.html)

Spain rail blasts: 131 dead
Thursday, March 11, 2004 Posted: 6:24 AM EST (1124 GMT)

MADRID, Spain (CNN) -- At least 131 people were killed and more than 400 injured in a series of explosions on Madrid's railway network at the height of morning rush hour, according to the the security minister for Madrid's regional government.

Spanish officials are blaming the Basque separatist group ETA for the coordinated attack, which comes ahead of Sunday's general election.

Three separate trains were hit by near-simultaneous explosions before 8 a.m. (2 a.m. ET) along the southern part of Madrid's train network at Santa Eugenia, El Pozo and Atocha stations, officials said.

The most deadly blast happened on a train entering Madrid's main Atocha station, according to Interior Minister Angel Acebes. (Eyewitness reports)

The attack comes ahead of Sunday's general election in which Spain's conservative ruling Popular Party -- which has taken a hard-line stance against ETA -- is currently leading in the polls.

So far, there has been no claim of responsibility.

ETA is listed as a terrorist organization by the United States and the European Union, of which Spain is a member.

Before Thursday's attack, ETA had been blamed for 800 deaths since it began its fight for an independent homeland in Spain's northern Basque region.

Spain's ruling Popular Party announced it was suspending campaign rallies scheduled for later in the day and Friday.

An official from Spain's northern Basque region called it the worst terrorist attack in Spanish history.

Spanish police -- who have foiled several recent bombing attempts by ETA -- were on high alert for terror attacks by the separatist group ahead of Sunday's vote.

Video of the scene showed the wreckage of the train at Atocha, broken into pieces by the force of the explosions.

Spanish radio SER reported the train -- arriving from the eastern Madrid suburb of Alcala de Henares -- was hit by three explosions, planted in plastic bags in the front, middle and rear cars.

Medical staff set up a field hospital to treat the wounded at the scene, and buses were mobilized to help ambulances transport the wounded to hospitals.

Shortly after the blasts, Basque leader Juan Jose Ibarretxe held a news conference from the Basque capital of Vitoria, condemning the violence and calling for demonstrations against ETA.

Basque Member of Parliament Gustavo Aristegui -- who was in Madrid at the time of the attack -- also blamed ETA for the attack.

"This is probably Spain's worst terrorist attack in history -- not probably, surely our worst terrorist attack ever," Aristegui told CNN.

"There are people that are real monsters that are trying to blackmail the whole society through acts of terror."

The attacks drew an immediate condemnation from British Foreign Secretary Jack Straw, who called it "a disgusting assault on the very principle of European democracy."

Spanish Foreign Minister Ana Palacio placed the blame squarely on ETA, saying "we knew they are preparing a very big terror attack."

"ETA has a very clear pattern in its activities and we unfortunately have a long experience in dealing with them," she said. (More reaction)

On February 29, Spanish police seized more than 1,000 pounds of explosives and arrested two suspected ETA members who were planning to carry out an imminent attack in Madrid, an official said.

CNN Madrid Bureau Chief Al Goodman contributed to this report

[Danton]

It's an indefensible act of desperation from a dying group fighting a lost cause..

[RedAnarchist]

Reactions from people from sky news

http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,3020...1126971,00.html (http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30200-1126971,00.html)

[redstarshining]

Originally posted by Arthur [email protected] 11 2004, 12:48 PM
It's an indefensible act of desperation from a dying group fighting a lost cause..
Not true, there is a growing number of socialists in the Basque Country who do not support ETA but who do support Herri Batasuna and/or the Basque independence movement in general.
After more than 30 years of repression little has changed and the struggle will certainly continue, especially among the basque youth there are many supporters of basque seperatism.

As for calling ETA a dying group, I'm not sure about that, they still have a lot of support, although I doubt they will gain anything by targeting civillians. And this is what I find a bit confusing, ETA has so far never been performing any attacks against "soft targets". We will have to wait and see who claims responsibility..

[Danton]

Originally posted by [email protected] 11 2004, 12:47 PM
Not true, there is a growing number of socialists in the Basque Country who do not support ETA but who do support Herri Batasuna
Right, they do not support ETA..

Maybe support is growing but last time I checked Herri Batasuna were struggling to reach 20% in local elections, the PNV is far more popular..Let me say that the vast majority of Basque's rightly condem Eta's actions, ETA membership is considered to be around 2-300 people at most..

I agree though, ETA don't usually attack civilian targets which leads me to beleive that this is a desperate, deaththrow..

edit; I'm watching the pictures now, it's sickening...

[redstarshining]

Yes, that is correct, Batasuna / Euskal Herritarrok did indeed struggle in the last elections before the party was outlawed, probably because the voters could see what was coming.I'm just saying that the separatist movement is still strong, so I wouldn't call the struggle for independence a lost cause yet, regardless of ETA's actions.

On the other hand, I can't see how killing 131 people will do anything other than giving Madrid "justification" to spread "democracy" all over Spain, in the worst case by military means, once again. :blink:

[Soul Rebel]

God, i dont even know what to say. I wake up twenty-five minutes ago, grab a coffee flip on the spanish news and the first thing i see is a destroyed train. Now its a 173 dead. Im shocked, but im not. People had to have known that this was coming. Its election time on the 14th and ETA is desperate, their support system has dropped tremendously. I really do believe that the movement is becoming a lost cause- lack of support from the region, people condemning them nationally, getting caught before carrying out plans, no changes coming about, etc. Also, now there really is a new movement taking place in the country:anti-violence, mostly an anti-domestic violence movement. This is what is now on peoples minds.

I really hope that on the 14th the PSOE's Zapatero wins over the PP's Rajoy. Its really the only way that the situation with ETA can begin to change. We've (well at least many of us) have seen what the damage that the PP has done, especially with ETA. Spain needs a change of government- from pp to psoe- nationally and regionally.

[redstarshining]

I think nobody can fuck up so much as the PP did, without them the seize fire agreement would probably still exist and there would still be political space for negotiations.

I don't know much about the People's Socialist Workers Party, what's their stance on ETA and the independence movement? Do they have any chance in the upcoming elections?

[Soul Rebel]

Originally posted by [email protected] 11 2004, 03:35 PM
I think nobody can fuck up so much as the PP did, without them the seize fire agreement would probably still exist and there would still be political space for negotiations.

I don't know much about the People's Socialist Workers Party, what's their stance on ETA and the independence movement? Do they have any chance in the upcoming elections?
I think the PSOE does stand a chance. From what i know, from before i left on monday, was that zapatero and rajoy were very close vote-wise. Zapatero (as is the IU) is very popular among the young, whom have often been ignored, and i think the young will have an impact in this election.

Im going to try to link you to a good site explaining the PSOE's stance on ETA and other things. Do you read spanish at all, because the Voz de Galicia everyday posts an answer given by the politicans on a certain issue (education, the war, healthcare, womyns rights, ETA, etc.), which i think would probably be better than me explaining their stance. Its coming right out of their mouths and you can see what each has to say.

[Invader Zim]

Did that artical get the time right?

6:24 AM "the height of morning rush hour"

Thats before most people get up and rush hour isn't it?

[sh0cker]

As far as I know (correct if I am wrong) ETA did not say she is response for this attack!
Every possible media says that it is ETA but in past 30 (I think) years for each ETA's attack they call someone and say they are response for that attack, this time they didn't so it does not mean that ETA did it. Maybe some terrorist group from Middle East and those Arab countries because Spain is in war with Iraq.

Any way, who can support ETA, come on they are killing innocent people. No one in Spain support them but number of those who share the same ideas with ETA is increasing.
But this is horrible what "they" did if it is ETA.

[sh0cker]

As I said few hours before, that ETA did not do it, now it seems it is true. I have just watched some news where they announced that police have found some sort of jeep or something like that where were few detonators and papers on ARABIC language, also some things from Quran...

So don't quild ETA! This is Arab attack, they are not normal, really.. I can't believe what are they doing, they are mad.. They killed about 200 innocent people!!!

[Y2A]

Most likely because Spain aided in the war effort and strongly supported Bushie. And I never said it was the ETA just that it was most likely the ETA.

[sh0cker]

Yea, but people immediatly aimed, on ETA.

And they did this because of Spain support of America, but I really can't believe this is happening.
It is 200 INNOCENT people, killed by some fanatics from Middle East or where ever, I don't care, but it is not right!

And then some one ask you why you are not in fewer of Middle East people?

Horrible!

[Y2A]

We attacked the ETA because the ETA was the most likely suspect seeing as they have previously assasinated Spanish politicans and attacked Spanish interests. And it has yet to be confirmed that Al-Queda or any other arab group was behind the attack. Just wait til all the facts are in and then we can have a better disscussion on it.

[sh0cker]

Yes, they did!

Now I watching on some chanel it is like sub-group of Al Kaida!
It is known right now, I know why you attacked ETA, but what about this, they gone MAD!

They killed so much people because of nothing!

[redstarshining]

News update from a few hours ago:

yahoo (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=535&ncid=535&e=2&u=/ap/20040311/ap_on_re_mi_ea/al_qaida_claim_1)

I think it's pretty safe to say it wasn't ETA.

Senora Che: Unfortunately I do not read spanish, I understand a tiny little bit, but not enough to read an entire article I'm afraid. Although I'm trying to learn the language. Do you know a source in english or german?

[Y2A]

Originally posted by [email protected] 11 2004, 10:55 PM
News update from a few hours ago:

yahoo (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=535&ncid=535&e=2&u=/ap/20040311/ap_on_re_mi_ea/al_qaida_claim_1)

I think it's pretty safe to say it wasn't ETA.

Senora Che: Unfortunately I do not read spanish, I understand a tiny little bit, but not enough to read an entire article I'm afraid. Although I'm trying to learn the language. Do you know a source in english or german?
Incorrect.
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Purported Qaeda Letter Claims Spain Bombings-Paper
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DUBAI (Reuters) - A letter purporting to come from Osama bin Laden (news - web sites)'s al Qaeda network claimed responsibility for train bombings in Spain on Thursday, calling them strikes against "crusaders," a London-based Arabic newspaper said.


The Spanish government has said Basque separatists were the main suspect in the bombings of four trains early on Thursday that killed 190 people.


But the country's interior minister held open the possibility of a militant Islamist link on Thursday evening when he told a newspaper conference that a suspect van had been found containing detonators and an Arabic-language tape. He said, however, militant Basque separatists remained chief suspects.


The London-based al-Quds al-Arabi newspaper faxed to Reuters' Dubai bureau a copy of a letter purporting to come from the "Abu Hafs al-Masri Brigades." The group aligns itself to al Qaeda, blamed by Washington for September 2001 attacks on the United States.


"We have succeeded in infiltrating the heart of crusader Europe and struck one of the bases of the crusader alliance," said the letter which called the attacks "Operation Death Trains."


There was no way of authenticating the letter.


The newspaper received similar letters from the same brigade claiming responsibility on behalf of al Qaeda for a November bombing of two synagogues in Turkey and the August bombing of the U.N. headquarters in Baghdad.


Spain backed the United States in its invasion of Iraq (news - web sites), drawing the opprobrium of militant Islamist groups.

[redstarshining]

Ok, I admit I didn't see this article, so we'll have to wait.
But still, I'd very surprised if ETA was behind this.

[Don't Change Your Name]

There's something weird about this...today I was listening on the news a spanish woman who said something about "socialists who supported this terrorists" and about "please think before voting this weekend". If I heard correctly this means that this has just been used to support the "pops". I don't think this is a conspiracy but it is used (and will keep being used for a while) as propaganda,as most modern neo-fascist regimes do: "we are the only ones that can stop terrorism and use the law and bring back order, the opposition are ultra-liberal totalitarian terrorists". It's simple: something huge happens, people feel they can become the next one, they get scared, they complain and ask support from the government. Nice way to gain votes...

[RevolucioN NoW]

This looks like more of an al qaeda attack than eta, i mean think about it, 10 bombs on 4 trains all perfectly syncronised, i doubt that eta would have that capacity. doesnt eta ussually call in its bombs to polcie before detonation anyway?

Newswires are reporting that a set of detonators and islamic literature were found nearby and a london based arabic newspaper has claimed a letter form al qaeda was sent to them, claiming responsibility. doesnt sound like eta to me.

[Nordic Rebel]

Last night , on BBC news it was claimed that the bombigs had many of the hallmark qualities of an Al-Qaida operation: high civilian deathtoll, it was higly cordinated and so on, and that it was very different from previous ETA bombings wich have been a lot smaller and have been targeted at political targets and the turism industry. This evidence suported by the letter from an Al-Qaida sub-group claiming responseability and the van with the detonators and pats of the Quoran makes me inclined to believe that it was comitted by Al-Qaida and not by Eta.

[Danton]

The picture is blurring, it does bear charachteristics of an Al Queada attack but lest we forget Eta were thwarted in a similar attempt around Christmas time and we all know how ETA, IRA, FARC etc.. love to share recipes.. maybe a joint effort?

[Liberty Lover]

I don't think it will not be known who exactly carried out these attacks for some time; we still don’t know what organization was behind the Bali bombings.

The Spanish government will most likely attempt to place the blame for the bombings on ETA as it would give them an excuse to finally eliminate that organization, something that should have been done when they first began blowing people up. Additionally, an Al Qaeda attack would make Aznar look bad for the elections considering his support for the Iraq war.

[peaccenicked]

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[General A.A.Vlasov]

It's 192 dead already...and >1000 wounded!

Damn, It's horrible...but now another country can completely understand Russia in it's heavy battle against separatism!

Radical basks are as STUPID as a radical chechens! Spaninsh and bask people lived together for a long time and (WHY?) NOW they want to separate from Spain by terrorism...it is just...un-understandable...

Damn terrorism! :angry:

[RedAnarchist]

the spelling is Basque.

ETA have been terrorising Spain since the days of Franco. They are nothing but nationalistic thugs who dont even have much support amongst Basques.

Chechens and Basques ar linguistically and culturally different to Russians and Spaniards, but violence will only split them apart ina way which will make the two populations hate one another.

[General A.A.Vlasov]

Yes...It's so.

[sh0cker]

It is not ETA, they know if they do something such as this they will lose all support they have. And they don't have a lot. It seems that some other group maybe Al Kaida, most probably, copied some things to make it as ETA done it. But I don't think this is done by ETA.

Anyway, they found some papers with Arabic letters and writings, I don't think that people like those who are I think professionals, left things like that one.

But I if it is Al Kaida, then whole Europe is in danger!

[RedAnarchist]

Probably not all of Europe, just those that support America in the war agaisnt terror.

[Osman Ghazi]

Wow, that war on terror thing really worked.
Actually Chechens and the ETA aren't terrorist per se, in my opinion anyway.
Unlike AL-Qaida, they generally target areas of military/political significance.
They don't generally just try to kill as many as possible like AL-Qaida.

Chechens and Basques ar linguistically and culturally different to Russians and Spaniards, but violence will only split them apart ina way which will make the two populations hate one another.

It's a little bit late for that, well, in the Russian/Chechen conflict anyway.

A question: Vlasov, do the Chechens still have autonomy as they had in the Soviet Union?

[Danton]

The explosives, the timing(election sun), the background are all pointing to ETA but the methods and details like the vans used, the callousness and the co-ordinated similtaneous explosions say Al Queada... Intriguing, I'm now thinking ETA wanted this to look like Al queada but then again I'm no Hercule Poirot..

[Soul Rebel]

I was just watching TVG (TeleGalicia) and Telecinco and it seems as though everyone is spain protested today. Nobody went to work or school, they all crowded into streets holding the spanish flag with a black ribbon. The protests took place in santiago (galicia), coruna (my home-galicia), madrid, orense (galicia), etc.

Also, on TVG and T5 it was announced that Aznar (leader of PP and currently the pres) has said that all foreign victims (who were from Peru, Cuba, Colombia, Poland) will be given spanish citizenship and so will their immediate family in the country. Also, Aznar assured those undocumented persons in the country not to worry about visiting their loved ones in hospitals because no legal action (such as being sent home to their country) will be taken against them. Aznar has also announced that money will or already has been put foward for help- i dont remember just how much he said it was.

Its horrible, i feel like crying. First, because this is a tradegy. I mean we're used to seeing stuff like this, just not on this level. Second, im afraid because this is going to affect the elections tremendously. This event might make the PP out to be good guys-like it did for Bush. Especially now with Aznar doing what hes doing (with the citizenship thing and the money). Hopefully though this has made the people think of the PP's mistakes- especially in supporting an illegal war- and they will vote PSOE on the 14th.

un beso pa mi gente :(

[Y2A]

Marching in Madrid

http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20040312/capt.xmad81803122016.spain_bombings_xmad818.jpg

[Don't Change Your Name]

Honestly I have seriours doubts about this. While they found that car with the muslim stuff, and while they said in the news that they found another bag which didn't explode and that could be activated by something they found on that car (or something like that :huh: ), the government keeps telling that it was the ETA. However I don't see why would such an attack benefit ETA, Al-Qaeda or another terrorist group. I think ETA denied to be the responsible, however i'm not sure if this is a Muslim insanity either. As Liberty Lover mentioned, blaiming ETA helps the PP as they could claim to "make justice", and they won't admit that it was Al Qaeda or it will take them down because of their support to the last imperialist war.

I really thonk there's something being hidden about this...

[Y2A]

It seems that now they are looking for three men in ski masks that were seen by witnesses during the attack.

http://aolsvc.news.aol.com/news/article.ad...5&_mpc=news%2e4 (http://aolsvc.news.aol.com/news/article.adp?id=20040311022609990005&_mpc=news%2e4)

"Death Toll in Madrid Bombings Rises to 200
Police Hunt for Three Suspects as Grieving Spaniards Prepare for Sunday's Election
By CIARAN GILES, AP

MADRID, Spain (March 13) - Police on Saturday searched for three men seen in ski masks carrying backpacks toward the line where trains were bombed, killing 200 people. The government has not determined who was behind the country's worst terror attack, leaving grieving voters thirsty for answers as they prepared for general elections Sunday"

[MiDnIgHtMaRaUdEr]

Originally posted by General [email protected] 12 2004, 07:35 AM
It's 192 dead already...and >1000 wounded!

Damn, It's horrible...but now another country can completely understand Russia in it's heavy battle against separatism!

Radical basks are as STUPID as a radical chechens! Spaninsh and bask people lived together for a long time and (WHY?) NOW they want to separate from Spain by terrorism...it is just...un-understandable...

Damn terrorism! :angry:
The Chenchens are reactionary fundamentalists whose actions I do not support one bit! However, the Basque movement seems to be a communist group with pretty good intentions. I do not believe they are responsible for this however. Have they ever done attacks aimed at the civilians in this manner before?

[Intifada]

if anyone has access to cnn news, they were showing a massive protest outside a government building. there are a LOT of people.

[Intifada]

the people on fox news are saying that these protests are against terrorism! even though there is a protester holding a sign saying "NO WAR!" in spanish! :lol:

[Y2A]

BREAKING NEWS: ARRESTS HAVE BEEN MADE

Spain Bombings
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MADRID, Spain - Spain's interior minister Saturday announced the arrest of five suspects in the Madrid bombings, including three Moroccans.

The other two suspects had Indian passports, a ministry spokesman said.


The five were arrested in connection with a cell phone inside an explosives-packed gym bag found on one of the bombed commuter trains.


The suspects "could be related to Moroccan extremist groups," the minister said. "But we should not rule out anything. Police are still investigating all avenues. This opens an important avenue."


The 10 bombings on Thursday, which killed 200 people on Madrid commuter trains, amounted to the worst terror attack in Spanish history.


Families began burying their dead Saturday as a cold drizzle fell on Madrid on the eve of parliamentary elections.


In a show of national unity, massive crowds gathered in Barcelona, Seville, Valencia and even in Spain's Canary Islands off western Africa on Friday night to protest the attack. State TV said nationwide, more than 11 million marched - one-quarter of Spain's 42 million people.


In Madrid, black bows of mourning dotted the city, on shop windows, on flags draped from balconies, and on lapels.


Madrid's biggest funeral home, Tanatorio Sur, was so overcrowded that some coffins were placed in a room normally used for staff meetings. Outside, hearses carried coffins in and out all morning.


Investigators were focusing on a stolen white van found in the town of Alcala de Henares outside Madrid hours after the blasts. Police found detonators and an Arabic-language cassette tape with Quranic verses inside. Alcala de Henares is the town where three of the four bombed trains originated.


A doorman told police he saw three young men carrying knapsacks toward the station in Alcala de Henares, a senior police official said Saturday on condition of anonymity. Officials have said the bombs used in the train attacks were concealed in knapsacks.


The doorman saw the men get out of the van and "walk toward the train carrying backpacks and he was struck by the fact that they were wearing ski masks when the weather was not suited for that kind of clothing," the official said.


"It is one of the main focuses of the investigation," the official said. "It is very important."


A London-based Arabic newspaper also received a claim of responsibility in al-Qaida's name that called the attack "part of settling old accounts with Spain, the crusader, and America's ally in its war against Islam."


The attack's lethal coordination and timing - 10 explosions within 15 minutes - suggested al-Qaida. But the compressed dynamite used in the backpack bombs is an explosive favored by the Basque separatist group ETA.


ETA issued an apparently unprecedented denial Friday, saying it had nothing to do with the bombings. It has claimed responsibility for more than 800 deaths since 1968 in its fight for an independent state in the northern Basque region.


Debate on who is behind the attacks could sway voters in Sunday's election.





If ETA is deemed responsible, that could boost support for Mariano Rajoy, Prime Minister Jose Maria Aznar's hand-picked candidate to succeed him as prime minister. Both have supported a crackdown on ETA, ruling out talks and backing a ban on ETA's political wing, Batasuna.

However, if Thursday's bombings are seen by voters as the work of al-Qaida, that could draw their attention to Aznar's vastly unpopular decision to endorse the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq (news - web sites) and deploy Spanish troops there.

Opinion polls have put Rajoy 3-5 percentage points ahead of Socialist candidate Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero. No surveys have been released since the attacks.

Aznar, in power since 1996, is honoring a pledge not to seek a third term, saying he wants renewal in government and his party.

Spanish radio station Cadena Ser broadcast a 12-second recording of an unidentified woman who had called a colleague's voice mail after an initial blast on a train at the Atocha station.

The woman, who survived, was in the process of fleeing as she frantically says: "I'm in Atocha. There's a bomb on the train! We had to _" and then two more blasts are heard.

[el_profe]

Originally posted by [email protected] 13 2004, 07:49 PM
the people on fox news are saying that these protests are against terrorism! even though there is a protester holding a sign saying "NO WAR!" in spanish! :lol:
HAHAHA< what a fucking idiot, I am seeing the protest and they have sign that say "NO AL TERRORISMO" "Por la paz", "no a la guerra", nice try ihate bush, you should be a little better informed.

Oh and Ihatebush, how are you going to justify this attack by al-queda? Spain only helped the USA after the war was over, like many other countries.

Osman:

Wow, that war on terror thing really worked.
Actually Chechens and the ETA aren&#39;t terrorist per se, in my opinion anyway.
Unlike AL-Qaida, they generally target areas of military/political significance.
They don&#39;t generally just try to kill as many as possible like AL-Qaida.
QUOTE

ETA is a terrorist group, what do you say about the bombig in Barcelona tha killed 25 in the 1980&#39;s or early 90&#39;s, i forgot whan it was.

[Y2A]

The protesters outside the popular party building were claiming that the government was not telling the full truth about the bombing.

Multimedia:

http://news.yahoo.com/p/v?u=/ap_av/2004031...=452&f=53746348 (http://news.yahoo.com/p/v?u=/ap_av/20040313/av_ap_wl/0da688901cccaacedcd82a21f3d1ce8c&cid=452&f=53746348)

[Bad Grrrl Agro]

we all know al-qaida did it they took credit for it ETA denied it

[redstarshining]

Originally posted by el_profe+Mar 13 2004, 10:04 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (el_profe @ Mar 13 2004, 10:04 PM)
[email protected] 13 2004, 07:49 PM
the people on fox news are saying that these protests are against terrorism&#33; even though there is a protester holding a sign saying "NO WAR&#33;" in spanish&#33; :lol:
HAHAHA< what a fucking idiot, I am seeing the protest and they have sign that say "NO AL TERRORISMO" "Por la paz", "no a la guerra", nice try ihate bush, you should be a little better informed.

Oh and Ihatebush, how are you going to justify this attack by al-queda? Spain only helped the USA after the war was over, like many other countries.

Osman:

Wow, that war on terror thing really worked.
Actually Chechens and the ETA aren&#39;t terrorist per se, in my opinion anyway.
Unlike AL-Qaida, they generally target areas of military/political significance.
They don&#39;t generally just try to kill as many as possible like AL-Qaida.
QUOTE

ETA is a terrorist group, what do you say about the bombig in Barcelona tha killed 25 in the 1980&#39;s or early 90&#39;s, i forgot whan it was. [/b]
The 1987 supermarket bombing in Barcelona was an accident, even if it sounds terribly cynical. Only two people were targeted, but the bomb blew up on the wrong time, if I remember correctly.

[Intifada]

HAHAHA< what a fucking idiot, I am seeing the protest and they have sign that say "NO AL TERRORISMO" "Por la paz", "no a la guerra", nice try ihate bush, you should be a little better informed.


they also have signs saying "paz", on its own. the news on cnn and bbc claim they are anti-war protesters.


Ihatebush, how are you going to justify this attack by al-queda?

dont be so fucking dumb, i know its hard for an ignoramus like you, but at least try. when have i ever condoned an al qaida attack&#33;

anyway, im not surprised that this attack happened. al qaida warned nations who supported the war on iraq. aznar supported the attack and so he was asking for it. the iraq war is doing nothing to stop terror.
it is just a shame that innocent people have to die.

one protester had a sign saying "Aznar, because of you we all pay." he is right.

[Soul Rebel]

Originally posted by el_profe+Mar 13 2004, 09:04 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (el_profe @ Mar 13 2004, 09:04 PM)
[email protected] 13 2004, 07:49 PM
the people on fox news are saying that these protests are against terrorism&#33; even though there is a protester holding a sign saying "NO WAR&#33;" in spanish&#33; :lol:
HAHAHA< what a fucking idiot, I am seeing the protest and they have sign that say "NO AL TERRORISMO" "Por la paz", "no a la guerra", nice try ihate bush, you should be a little better informed.

Oh and Ihatebush, how are you going to justify this attack by al-queda? Spain only helped the USA after the war was over, like many other countries.

Osman:

Wow, that war on terror thing really worked.
Actually Chechens and the ETA aren&#39;t terrorist per se, in my opinion anyway.
Unlike AL-Qaida, they generally target areas of military/political significance.
They don&#39;t generally just try to kill as many as possible like AL-Qaida.
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ETA is a terrorist group, what do you say about the bombig in Barcelona tha killed 25 in the 1980&#39;s or early 90&#39;s, i forgot whan it was. [/b]
you shouldnt be so quick to insult because "no a la guerra" does mean "no to war," so he was semi-right. spaniards (such as myself) are taking this opportunity to show just what war brings- ten bombings, two hundred dead.

[General A.A.Vlasov]

...yes, now I agree, that it was Al-Queida&#39;s work&#33;

It wasn&#39;t basque&#39;s style or terract&#33;

[MiDnIgHtMaRaUdEr]

Originally posted by General [email protected] 15 2004, 04:56 AM
...yes, now I agree, that it was Al-Queida&#39;s work&#33;

It wasn&#39;t basque&#39;s stile or terract&#33;
I&#39;m not sure what that last line is trying to say, but I don&#39;t think it would be the Basques either. I don&#39;t think they would deliberately carry out a mass murder of innocent civilians.