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General A.A.Vlasov
10th March 2004, 09:10
KA and GV:

Results of CT actions on last and this month:

16.02: Zelemhan Yandarbiev killed in Katar!
(26-28).02: Hamzat Tazabaev killed in Ingushetia!
(Same time): Ahmed Anji Amhaev repatriated from Austria into Russia!
1.03: Ruslan Gelaev killed in mountains of Dagestan!
6.03: Ahmed Basnukaev killed in Ingushetia!
8.03: Magomed Hambiev (mashadov's min. of defence) surrended in Chechnya!

Yesterday our forces destroyed terrorist's camp. 3 terrorists killed - 1 is chechen-separatist AND -> second is TOMME, third is arab (from Algeria)!

Fuckin' mercenaries!!! :angry:
Loknar
10th March 2004, 15:53
Muslims stick together against infidels I guess.


speaking of the Chechens, they have their own website and have posted footage of their 'exploits'. I saw 1 video of them shooting down a chopper. bush mostly it's road side bombs and stuff.

btw, is the man in your avatar the man who turned against Stalin?
Dirty Commie
10th March 2004, 20:00
So Chechens are terrorists for wanting to be free? I'm sorry but this is very much like what neo-conservatism preaches.
You are seriously a nationalist pig. Chechen people have as much of a right to self dtermination as Russia does to govern itself.
And perhaps you don't realize the Algerian is there as a freedom fighter, not a mercenary.
MiDnIgHtMaRaUdEr
10th March 2004, 22:21
The Chechens have no more of a right to self detmination then a bunch of KKK guys have the right to a state and declare it Neo-Nazi territory. Sorry, but I have no sympathy for these fundamentalist zealots.
Y2A
11th March 2004, 10:20
You do realize that the Chechens broke the ceasefire don't you??? Tools.
sh0cker
11th March 2004, 10:28
I am hardly against Chechens, and I think it's time for Russia ones for all to explain them thath they can live in piece if they want if not they will be death..

I am supporter of Putin, I think he is going to show them this, all he need is a time..


sh0cker
Dirty Commie
11th March 2004, 19:32
Originally posted by [email protected] 10 2004, 06:21 PM
The Chechens have no more of a right to self detmination then a bunch of KKK guys have the right to a state and declare it Neo-Nazi territory. Sorry, but I have no sympathy for these fundamentalist zealots.
I highly doubt that the reason Chechens want independence is to own slaves and to exterminate jews.
MiDnIgHtMaRaUdEr
11th March 2004, 21:24
Originally posted by Dirty Commie+Mar 11 2004, 04:32 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Dirty Commie @ Mar 11 2004, 04:32 PM)
[email protected] 10 2004, 06:21 PM
The Chechens have no more of a right to self detmination then a bunch of KKK guys have the right to a state and declare it Neo-Nazi territory. Sorry, but I have no sympathy for these fundamentalist zealots.
I highly doubt that the reason Chechens want independence is to own slaves and to exterminate jews. [/b]
I highly doubt that they don&#39;t want to implement Seria (Islamic fundamentalist law), take away all of women&#39;s rights, and force everyone to convert to Islam.
General A.A.Vlasov
12th March 2004, 10:54
Loknar...Muslims stick together against infidels I guess.

Wrong&#33; Pribaltian and ukrainian snipers and other mercenaries are NOT muslims&#33; And that TOMME wasn&#39;t muslim too&#33; :angry:

I saw 1 video of them shooting down a chopper
We&#39;ve seen several videos...It&#39;s FUCKIN&#39; horrible to see death of our soliders... :angry:

is the man in your avatar the man who turned against Stalin?
Yes.

Dirty Commie...dear mister anti-russian bastard, if you are so pro-terrorist, then come to Chechnya, join terrorists and DIE as a god&#33;&#33;&#33; :angry:

Algerian is there as a freedom fighter
May be was a crazy fanatic...BUT NOT ff&#33;&#33;&#33;

...to own slaves and to exterminate jews
Idiot&#33; You don&#39;t know them&#33; There is a LAZY part of chechens, that don&#39;t want to work&#33; So they need(and TAKE) the slaves&#33; You don&#39;t know the statistics of stealing people in republics near Chechnya&#33; There are tens of slave-people still in Chechnya&#33; :angry:

MiDnIgHtMaRaUdEr...thanks, for the support&#33; :)

Y2A...what ceasefire&#33;? :huh:

sh0cker...Yea&#33; Well done mate&#33; We respect you&#33; Join us, friend&#33; :)
Liberty Lover
12th March 2004, 11:06
Do sh0cker, General A.A.Vlasov and Kapitan Andrey happen to have the same IP addresses?
kylie
12th March 2004, 11:07
So I guess you disagree with the Russian governments attempt to change a UN reference to Chechnya as a conflict zone?
But then this also must mean that you think the majority of people in Chechnya are not a threat to Russia, so, care to justify why you need such a military presence there?
Also what do you think of the situation going on in Iraq, in relation to US troops being attacked?
sh0cker
12th March 2004, 12:36
Originally posted by Liberty [email protected] 12 2004, 12:06 PM
Do sh0cker, General A.A.Vlasov and Kapitan Andrey happen to have the same IP addresses?
Haha

Here are some weird people. What do you think there is no enough people who support Russia about Checenia?

Come on..

Russia should, and have not to change their policy about Checenia.
RedAnarchist
12th March 2004, 12:39
Vlasov and shocker spell chechnya different ways, and vlasov is a little emotional in his posts.

Of course, this doesnt prove that they are two different people.
Dirty Commie
14th March 2004, 12:28
Originally posted by General [email protected] 12 2004, 06:54 AM
Loknar...Muslims stick together against infidels I guess.

Wrong&#33; Pribaltian and ukrainian snipers and other mercenaries are NOT muslims&#33; And that TOMME wasn&#39;t muslim too&#33; :angry:

I saw 1 video of them shooting down a chopper
We&#39;ve seen several videos...It&#39;s FUCKIN&#39; horrible to see death of our soliders... :angry:

is the man in your avatar the man who turned against Stalin?
Yes.

Dirty Commie...dear mister anti-russian bastard, if you are so pro-terrorist, then come to Chechnya, join terrorists and DIE as a god&#33;&#33;&#33; :angry:

Algerian is there as a freedom fighter
May be was a crazy fanatic...BUT NOT ff&#33;&#33;&#33;

...to own slaves and to exterminate jews
Idiot&#33; You don&#39;t know them&#33; There is a LAZY part of chechens, that don&#39;t want to work&#33; So they need(and TAKE) the slaves&#33; You don&#39;t know the statistics of stealing people in republics near Chechnya&#33; There are tens of slave-people still in Chechnya&#33; :angry:

MiDnIgHtMaRaUdEr...thanks, for the support&#33; :)

Y2A...what ceasefire&#33;? :huh:

sh0cker...Yea&#33; Well done mate&#33; We respect you&#33; Join us, friend&#33; :)
Vlasov: Did you know that in your beloved motherland at least 400,000 people (mostly women) were sold or tricked into slavery? No bullshit, this was in National Geographic.

Isn&#39;t it horrible to see bombed out homes where innocent Chechen children lived? Because they are the ones who joined an imperialist army

I&#39;m not pro-terrorism in the case of the Russia-Chechnya dispute, however, I am for their war for independence, but it should not spil over into the Bolshoi theater hostage crisis like it did a few years ago.

Obviously, YOU don&#39;t know the Chechens either b/c you frequently refer to all of them as terrorists.
General A.A.Vlasov
15th March 2004, 08:00
Did you know that in your beloved motherland at least 400,000 people (mostly women) were sold or tricked into slavery?
Bullshit&#33; Not that size&#33;
BUT...some bastard offering foreign work for them...and then they becoming a slaves...

It wasn&#39;t Bol&#39;shoy, idiot&#33; It was Theater on Dubrovka&#33;

I DIDN&#39;T told, that EVEREONE are terrorists&#33; :angry:
Y2A
15th March 2004, 08:04
He is talking about human trafficking, it&#39;s quite big in Eastern Europe. Can you get confirmation on that DC? Maybe a UN report?
Dirty Commie
15th March 2004, 20:57
Originally posted by [email protected] 15 2004, 04:04 AM
He is talking about human trafficking, it&#39;s quite big in Eastern Europe. Can you get confirmation on that DC? Maybe a UN report?
I lost the issue of NGM that had the story about it. But the statistics for Eastern Europe were staggering. Most of the people who are sold into slavery are women who are forced to become prostitutes. One segment of the story was an inteview with a Bosnian club owner who "imported" a new girl from Russia every week for one of his numerous Isreali brothels. He demanded that the girls work off the cost of buying them from the trafficker before he paid them a salary. The only area that had more slaves than Russia was in India, oakistan and Bangladesh...but even there most of the people were debt slaves, who were "legaly" forced to work as slaves.
General A.A.Vlasov
16th March 2004, 07:37
The biggest slave supplyers is Moldavia, Ukraine, and then Belorussia.
sh0cker
16th March 2004, 14:34
What does prostitutes from these poor country such as Moldavia, Belorussia and Ukraine, have to do with Russian policy about Chechenya?
What do you except from country such as Russia is? To have the same number as some other small west country such as France, UK or which ever, it is not important..
And people still think that if it is from Moldavia - it is Russia. Russia does have some influence, but have nothing with these prostitutes?

And who told you that slavs are the same as prostitues, it is same but not equal, because most of those girl&#39;s know that no one will give them jobs, money and place for living for nothing so.. It is not like UN wants to show..

I know that all Chechenyans are not supporter of these terrorists but many (most) of them are.
Any way, what do you think Chechenya should do what is it trying?
Dirty Commie
16th March 2004, 20:48
Originally posted by [email protected] 16 2004, 10:34 AM
What does prostitutes from these poor country such as Moldavia, Belorussia and Ukraine, have to do with Russian policy about Chechenya?
What do you except from country such as Russia is? To have the same number as some other small west country such as France, UK or which ever, it is not important..
And people still think that if it is from Moldavia - it is Russia. Russia does have some influence, but have nothing with these prostitutes?

And who told you that slavs are the same as prostitues, it is same but not equal, because most of those girl&#39;s know that no one will give them jobs, money and place for living for nothing so.. It is not like UN wants to show..

I know that all Chechenyans are not supporter of these terrorists but many (most) of them are.
Any way, what do you think Chechenya should do what is it trying?
The point about the number of humans trafficked in Russia was to point out that Vlasov&#39;s beloved fatherland is not as perfect he tries to make it seem. And the number of slaves sold in Russia is disproportiantly higher than the average number that would be sold in a smaller nation.

And to a certain point, yes, I think that Chechens do have the right to fight the Russian army for theirt independence.
General A.A.Vlasov
17th March 2004, 07:23
KA:"Your amerikkka is asshole&#33; And don&#39;t insult my land&#33;
There is a russian song - part of it: (poor translation, but with the clear meaning)

"When you are
ugly or beautiful
reach or poor
...
Motherland, I love you anyway&#33;"

Understood? I don&#39;t care if you don&#39;t like Russia&#33; I love it, and fuck you with your opinion&#33;&#33;&#33;"
sh0cker
17th March 2004, 14:27
Dirty Commie, you are obviously against Russia, so you want to say that Russia should have the same number of prostitutes? Or maybe you thought same per centage?

And you believe that Chechens should fight?
Ok then, I will contact you in few years, when Russians, got tired of babying Chechens, when they go in and destroy them, I will contact you just to see, were they fighting for their rights?

Come on, what do you want, Chechenya in a middle of Russia, haha
It is not going that way..
Dirty Commie
17th March 2004, 19:00
Originally posted by [email protected] 17 2004, 10:27 AM
Dirty Commie, you are obviously against Russia, so you want to say that Russia should have the same number of prostitutes? Or maybe you thought same per centage?

And you believe that Chechens should fight?
Ok then, I will contact you in few years, when Russians, got tired of babying Chechens, when they go in and destroy them, I will contact you just to see, were they fighting for their rights?

Come on, what do you want, Chechenya in a middle of Russia, haha
It is not going that way..
I said that Russia is not as great as Vlasov is trying to make her seem.
And I know that at any time the Russian army could kill every Chechen who has the mental capacity to know how to pull the pin on a grenade and throw it at a soldier. But there is something called world opinion, which doesn&#39;t agree with what borders on genocide.

Here&#39;s an example for you. for thousands of years group who we&#39;ll call the Native Americans lived in peace on their areas. One day, a group of gun toting white people come along declaring the Indians land property of the British crown, then a hundred years later, property of the USA. The indians don&#39;t want to leave their home, so they fight. Over the years hundreds of thousands are slaughtered in battle, and even more women and children die from pillaging, murder, rape, slavery etc. But their home was in the middle of America so they had to face genocide for the good of conquerers. Would you have supported the white settlers when they stole Indian land and killed most of them off?
MiDnIgHtMaRaUdEr
17th March 2004, 19:01
Who cares about capitalist Russia anymore anyways? They betrayed the revolution. Who cares weather they have prostitutes or not? I have no more sympathy for Russia then I do for America. Maybe if things get shitty enough over there they will learn not to turn their back on socialism&#33; It is no fault of the Russians as a whole, but rather the fault of the capitalists. Russian capitalists, Chinese capitalists, American capitalists, it makes no difference, they are all the same scum to me.
Dirty Commie
17th March 2004, 21:37
Originally posted by [email protected] 17 2004, 03:01 PM
Who cares about capitalist Russia anymore anyways? They betrayed the revolution. Who cares weather they have prostitutes or not? I have no more sympathy for Russia then I do for America. Maybe if things get shitty enough over there they will learn not to turn their back on socialism&#33; It is no fault of the Russians as a whole, but rather the fault of the capitalists. Russian capitalists, Chinese capitalists, American capitalists, it makes no difference, they are all the same scum to me.
For one, socialism in Russia was at it&#39;s "best" weak, there isn&#39;t any true socialism when therre is an aristocratic ruling class as the Communist Party. I do feel bad for people in Russia, their democracy is as corrupt as Mexicos, the price of living in the cities are among the highest in the world, and the economy is sagging behind the rest of Europes.
sh0cker
18th March 2004, 11:25
Dirty Commie, I agree with you. But while that world about which you are talking about does not respect some other countries why would Russia respect their own thinking. Which is not even worth of these talkings. And one more thing each country on which that oppinion stands have done the same things&#33; So I don&#39;t care about world think, because world have no idea about real war.

Actually I would agree with you, but I am a witness of the same things which are happening now&#33;
General A.A.Vlasov
20th March 2004, 09:43
KA:

DC...world opinion...

AND WHERE IS YOUR FUCKIN&#39; world opinion when those FUCKIN&#39; albanian bastards killing my brothers in Kosovo&#33;? :angry:

Yes, conquering new lands is always very violent&#33;&#33;&#33; But we&#39;ve taken Caucasus for about 200 years ago&#33;&#33;&#33; I consider Chchnya as a integral prt of Russia&#33;&#33;&#33;

MiDnIgHtMaRaUdEr...damn moron&#33; F**K you with your F***ING revolution&#33;&#33;&#33; :angry:
MiDnIgHtMaRaUdEr
20th March 2004, 13:52
Ah yes, all friends until I critisize "the motherland". You don&#39;t care about revolution or class struggle at all. The only thing that means anything to you is the Russian race. You are the Russian equivilant of a nazi.
Intifada
20th March 2004, 14:50
AND WHERE IS YOUR FUCKIN&#39; world opinion when those FUCKIN&#39; albanian bastards killing my brothers in Kosovo&#33;?

you have to realise that the shit thats been going on there recently started because serbs killed 3 albanian children. however both sides are idiots, if they cant live together in peace.


You are the Russian equivilant of a nazi.

for once i agree with MM.
General A.A.Vlasov
22nd March 2004, 08:41
KA:
MiDnIgHtMaRaUdEr...class struggle and ect...

Yes&#33; I don&#39;t care about this utopical shit&#33;

nazy&#33;? F**k both of you, damn motherfuckers&#33;

ihb...deaf idiot&#33; That action was seriously planned by albanian terrorists&#33; This is not prooved, that those 3 children been killed by Serbs&#33; :angry:
sh0cker
22nd March 2004, 16:29
Originally posted by [email protected] 20 2004, 03:50 PM

AND WHERE IS YOUR FUCKIN&#39; world opinion when those FUCKIN&#39; albanian bastards killing my brothers in Kosovo&#33;?

you have to realise that the shit thats been going on there recently started because serbs killed 3 albanian children. however both sides are idiots, if they cant live together in peace.


You are the Russian equivilant of a nazi.

for once i agree with MM.
Haha, maybe you should start following TV news, even people from UN said that Albanians made that.

And as a prove, do you think 50 burned churches, 250 burned houses, 28 murders, ethnic cleansing and genocids are done because of two kids? And all Albanians demonstrate with leader Hasim Taci which was the leader of KLA, which did so many genocids there.. End for that both of them are idiots, I would like one day some one to came and with out agreeing of your family start living there, taking your food, and on the end take your house, and you became without money, home and family&#33; Actually I am just waiting, I&#39;ll come and tell you that you are idiot&#33;
Btw. Your understanidng about situation is great, as well as about Russian problems&#33;
Intifada
22nd March 2004, 16:32
its really really ironic that you fail to mention that mosques as well as churches were attacked. :rolleyes:
sh0cker
24th March 2004, 19:02
Originally posted by [email protected] 22 2004, 05:32 PM
its really really ironic that you fail to mention that mosques as well as churches were attacked. :rolleyes:
Ironic is that those two mosques are burned in revange of 50 churches, 500 houses, few manastires (some of them older then Albanian natianality), ethnic cleansing and genocids.. And it can&#39;t be even comapred but as I see your point is only to provoke and put mask on what is going on..Both mosques will be repaired by Serbian government, and I didn&#39;t see that Kosovo will be repaired by Albanian mafia? Just keep on going, soon will come day when America, NATO,UN and KFOR won&#39;t support Albanians any more, and Serbs and Montenegrins will visit them to see how are they going now ;) To make sure that they know who is who.

Do you have anything to say about Chechens or you just come to tell us how Muslims are tortured?
MiDnIgHtMaRaUdEr
24th March 2004, 19:11
Originally posted by General [email protected] 22 2004, 05:41 AM
MiDnIgHtMaRaUdEr...class struggle and ect...

Yes&#33; I don&#39;t care about this utopical shit&#33;

nazy&#33;? F**k both of you, damn motherfuckers&#33;

Perhaps Stormfront (http://***************) would be a more suited place for you to spew your ultra-nationalist rantings?
General A.A.Vlasov
25th March 2004, 07:09
KA:

MiDnIgHtMaRaUdEr...stupid motherfucker&#33; I&#39;m not a nazy&#33; I&#39;m not an anti-semit, I&#39;m not a racist&#33;


...and Serbs and Montenegrins will visit them to see how are they going now To make sure that they know who is who.
Oh, yea&#33; I would like to participate that&#33; http://mina.ru/forum/images/smiles/icon_twisted.gif
MiDnIgHtMaRaUdEr
25th March 2004, 10:54
Originally posted by General [email protected] 25 2004, 04:09 AM
KA:

MiDnIgHtMaRaUdEr...stupid motherfucker&#33; I&#39;m not a nazy&#33; I&#39;m not an anti-semit, I&#39;m not a racist&#33;


...and Serbs and Montenegrins will visit them to see how are they going now To make sure that they know who is who.
Oh, yea&#33; I would like to participate that&#33; http://mina.ru/forum/images/smiles/icon_twisted.gif
Ok, I appologize, you are a politically correct fascist. You might not be racist or anti-sematic, but you are extremely nationalist.You look at the world through a geopolitical perspective (which sounds a bit like racism), which is one of the fundamental beliefs in fascism. Anything for "the motherland".
sh0cker
26th March 2004, 12:15
If you are not natinalist how can you lead your country well, if you don&#39;t love it with all your hearth?

President who don&#39;t love his country means that he loves only his chair; to be leader. The same is with people.

And that is pretty normal, but for you it seems it is not. And imagine when some one want to take part of that land which you love?
RedAnarchist
26th March 2004, 12:18
Can an Admin or Moderator close and trash this useless thread please?
Dirty Commie
26th March 2004, 13:46
Originally posted by [email protected] 26 2004, 08:15 AM
If you are not natinalist how can you lead your country well, if you don&#39;t love it with all your hearth?

President who don&#39;t love his country means that he loves only his chair; to be leader. The same is with people.

And that is pretty normal, but for you it seems it is not. And imagine when some one want to take part of that land which you love?
Because the idea of a nation-state is bullshit&#33; The borders that define a country only encourage people to be aggressive towards other people and promotes racism. Nationalism is what drives people to wars, it divides people who have no differences except that they were born on opposite sides of a border which shouldn&#39;t exist. It encourages racism. Beliveing that your country and the people born in it are bettter than others is racist bull shit.
MiDnIgHtMaRaUdEr
27th March 2004, 00:27
Originally posted by [email protected] 26 2004, 09:15 AM
If you are not natinalist how can you lead your country well, if you don&#39;t love it with all your hearth?

President who don&#39;t love his country means that he loves only his chair; to be leader. The same is with people.

And that is pretty normal, but for you it seems it is not. And imagine when some one want to take part of that land which you love?
You should love the party, and the communist ideal, not your race and motherland.
General A.A.Vlasov
27th March 2004, 09:00
KA:
MiDnIgHtMaRaUdEr...shut your mouth and get out of here&#33; I&#39;m not a fascist&#33;

XPhile2868...If you don&#39;t like it you can GET THE HELL OUT FROM HERE&#33;&#33;&#33;

Dirty Commie...Ha&#33; The World without borders is UTOPIA&#33;&#33;&#33;

...and again MiDnIgHtMaRaUdEr...

com.party&#33;? Do you know, that 75% of our soliders in WW2 were fought for their NATIVE LAND,MOTHERLAND ,FATHERLAND...name it as you wish, BUT NOT for bloodlusty dictator-stalin&#33;&#33;&#33; :angry:
Ian
27th March 2004, 09:22
Do the words &#39;Za Stalina, Za Rodinu&#39; mean anything to you Vlasov?
General A.A.Vlasov
27th March 2004, 09:37
Ha&#33; This words of damn commisars and officers, and all officer were commies&#33;
MiDnIgHtMaRaUdEr
27th March 2004, 15:32
Originally posted by General [email protected] 27 2004, 06:00 AM
KA:
MiDnIgHtMaRaUdEr...shut your mouth and get out of here&#33; I&#39;m not a fascist&#33;

XPhile2868...If you don&#39;t like it you can GET THE HELL OUT FROM HERE&#33;&#33;&#33;

Dirty Commie...Ha&#33; The World without borders is UTOPIA&#33;&#33;&#33;

...and again MiDnIgHtMaRaUdEr...

com.party&#33;? Do you know, that 75% of our soliders in WW2 were fought for their NATIVE LAND,MOTHERLAND ,FATHERLAND...name it as you wish, BUT NOT for bloodlusty dictator-stalin&#33;&#33;&#33; :angry:
Well, you seem to have us Commies with a passion, and don&#39;t seem to mind capitalism too much. The only thing you care for is "the motherland". If you are not fascist (the most ultra-nationalist, patriotic ideology there is), then please tell what are you?
flayer2
28th March 2004, 08:20
Ultra-nationalism is it...


"Latvia will be destroyed"
03/27/2004 14:56
Russian politician, Deputy State Duma Chairman Vladimir Zhirinovsky provoked a diplomatic scandal which resulted in worsening the relations between Russia and Latvia.
On March 24 Mr. Zhirinovsky expressed criticism to Latvia"s joining NATO and the reform of Russian language schools in an interview to Latvian TV.

Zhirinovsky predicted terrorist attacks on Latvia and said, "Latvia will be destroyed. Empty space will be there. Absolutely nothing will remain from Latvia. Everybody will forget the words "Latvia" and "the Latvian language". There will be nothing in Latvia, forever. We will destroy everything. If you touch Russians and Russian schools. I assure you. Nothing will remain".

Also in a recent poll : 60% of Russians want newspaper censorship. Sounds like these people are looking for a dicktator.
sh0cker
28th March 2004, 11:10
If you think dictator as Stalin was, NO but if you mean strong man as a head of the country, improving life standards and industry.. Also relationship with other "close Russian" countries.. Of course.

Second thing, Latvias joining NATO is just American politic, and it is normal for Russia to say this.
Of course, they will advice them normally, why should they send soliders for NATO and war in IRAQ, America is huge, let them send soliders and other who joined there. Not Latvia.

And of course they don&#39;t want to let destroying Russian schools, during USSR, they were talking Russian and had Russian schools, they can&#39;t change that because of America&#39;s policies to be super power&#33;

When Bush fals, I think this new guy will keep on doing things ONLY in America.. And Russia is waiting.. RUSSIA is super power and will be better and better, just wait to see improvement economy and then will even America keep mouth shout about Russian things&#33; They are even keeping now but won&#39;t even dare to say anything.. What American bulshit in Europe and Asia.. Haha No way, it is only because of wars and communisam which obviusly harm Easter Europe and Slavic people so much&#33;

* S *
sh0cker
28th March 2004, 11:14
Originally posted by [email protected] 27 2004, 10:22 AM
Do the words &#39;Za Stalina, Za Rodinu&#39; mean anything to you Vlasov?
Haha

Yea, for which Staljin the one which lead all Eastern Europe into worst period of time since it exist?
The one who killed so many Russians?

The one who made the worse picture of communisam in the world? That one?

Come on, it is obviusly words of officers&#33;
General A.A.Vlasov
29th March 2004, 04:53
KA:
Thank you, Sh0cker&#33;

MiDnIgHtMaRaUdEr...well now if you want to know, I&#39;ll tell you -


1.1) Defendind my Motherland in all aspects&#33;
1.2) Defending my brothers-Slavs(those, who want us to help)&#33;
2) Clever Revolution with my idea of "Temperate Socialism" (in countries with dictators and revolutionary situations)&#33;
...

flayer2...Jirinovski&#39; is a shouter&#33;...sometimes he&#39;s right...but I don&#39;t support him in his "destructive moods"&#33;&#33;&#33;

But tell me please, how would you describe anti-Russian actions of Latvian govt.? Nacism, ultra-nationalism&#33;?


We don&#39;t need dictator, we need strong and clever leader (president)&#33;&#33;&#33;
MiDnIgHtMaRaUdEr
29th March 2004, 10:58
Originally posted by General [email protected] 29 2004, 01:53 AM
KA:
Thank you, Sh0cker&#33;

MiDnIgHtMaRaUdEr...well now if you want to know, I&#39;ll tell you -


1.1) Defendind my Motherland in all aspects&#33;
1.2) Defending my brothers-Slavs(those, who want us to help)&#33;
2) Clever Revolution with my idea of "Temperate Socialism" (in countries with dictators and revolutionary situations)&#33;
...

flayer2...Jirinovski&#39; is a shouter&#33;...sometimes he&#39;s right...but I don&#39;t support him in his "destructive moods"&#33;&#33;&#33;

But tell me please, how would you describe anti-Russian actions of Latvian govt.? Nacism, ultra-nationalism&#33;?


We don&#39;t need dictator, we need strong and clever leader (president)&#33;&#33;&#33;
Fighting for race and nation, I believe that is the motto of the American Nazi Party if I remember correctly...
sh0cker
30th March 2004, 00:16
Then fighting for what?

Or fighting for religion? Well, I would like that :)
flayer2
30th March 2004, 07:58
If you think dictator as Stalin was, NO but if you mean strong man as a head of the country, improving life standards and industry

How will he improve life standards. Ever since putin came to power he has been working towards a market economy. This will serve to increase the gap between rich and poor. Are you rich?


Second thing, Latvias joining NATO is just American politic, and it is normal for Russia to say this.
Of course, they will advice them normally, why should they send soliders for NATO and war in IRAQ, America is huge, let them send soliders and other who joined there

I didn&#39;t know Latvian troops were in Iraq. I thought 80% latvians were opposed to Iraq war.


When Bush fals, I think this new guy will keep on doing things ONLY in America..

Democrats can be very stubborn for ending wars. 2 american wars ( korea and vietnam ) were started by democrats and ended by republicans.


flayer2...Jirinovski&#39; is a shouter&#33;...sometimes he&#39;s right...but I don&#39;t support him in his "destructive moods"&#33;&#33;&#33;

But tell me please, how would you describe anti-Russian actions of Latvian govt.? Nacism, ultra-nationalism&#33;?

yes he is an idiot but he is a high member in the Duma ( state chairman?) His liberal party is powerful in government. Not very reassuring for your weak neighbours.


But tell me please, how would you describe anti-Russian actions of Latvian govt.? Nacism, ultra-nationalism&#33;?

How is a weak nation like Latvia a threat to Russia?
General A.A.Vlasov
31st March 2004, 06:01
KA:

MiDnIgHtMaRaUdEr...once again - I&#39;m not a nazy&#33;
You said - "fighting for race" - what race?
Once again - I&#39;m not a racist&#33;

flayer2...have you ever heard about "Freedom of Speech"?
Jirinovskii is just using it&#33; :)

How is a weak nation like Latvia a threat to Russia?
Do you know that 1/4 of Latvia are Russians?
Have you heard abouth "anti-russian schools" law? About expeling Russians from Latvia by any way they found?
sh0cker
31st March 2004, 10:54
Flayer2: I wasn&#39;t talking that Latvia want to go in war against Iraq, I said that now anything NATO start (USA or UK) those country will have to send soliders, provide with land if needed and everything else. So it means if NATO went against anyone Latvia also even if they are against.

Gap between poor and rich exist every where, less or more..
God of Imperia
31st March 2004, 11:53
The Russian government does not care about human lives, as long as terrorists doens&#39;t win
Osman Ghazi
31st March 2004, 12:55
You said - "fighting for race" - what race?

Ummm... your &#39;brothers&#39; the Slavs?

So you are a nationalist and a socialist but you aren&#39;t a national socialist. Hmmm...
General A.A.Vlasov
6th April 2004, 10:32
KA:

Sh0cker, I want to present to you "oSman gHazi" - the biggest bastard, that supporting "UCK" and anti-Serbian cleanings in Kosovo&#33; :angry:

God of Imperia...WTF? Who are you? Anyway, your statement is shit&#33;

***

News:

Yesterday our forces captured 9 terrorists-sappers. Whith their help ~ 6 hiding places been founded&#33; It consisted around 300kg of trotill in different kinds of bombs (there were 3 big self maden BIG mines for terracts, each one consisted 60kg&#33;)&#33; Also alot of weapons and other ammunition.

3 days ago, personal bodyguard of mAshadov (long time ago wounded into the leg) surrended to our forces. Our surgeond were have to cut his led, because of his gangrene&#33;
As soon as he will be... ~healthy, he will be condemned&#33;&#33;&#33; He has murdered many our soliders(also by cutting head)&#33; :angry:

To my mind, it would be better to cut his head, instead of healing him&#33; But govt. got another opinion&#33; :angry:
Dirty Commie
6th April 2004, 18:35
No one here but you support ethnic cleansing.

In my mind, calling Slavic people your "brothers" sounds like racism. I&#39;m Romanian, I am not your brother.

And have you considered that Europe won&#39;t intervene in the Balkans again because the situation can&#39;t be resolved by another military conflict?
sh0cker
7th April 2004, 00:25
I know Osman and his company.
Just an example on Kosovo leader of democratic party is Hasim Taci, which is the biggest war criminal, and leader of that UCK (KLA)..

Anyway, Dirty Commie, maybe you feel you are not.. But WE Slavs are brothers, we came from same place, but during the centuries we spread along East Europe and lost relationship. As I said maybe you don&#39;t feel like that, but meaning of Slavs immediatly puts us into one people, history proves it..
Kavkaz is place for us ;)
sh0cker
7th April 2004, 00:29
Originally posted by God of [email protected] 31 2004, 12:53 PM
The Russian government does not care about human lives, as long as terrorists doens&#39;t win
Reason is simple, if terrorist wins, they will murder a lot more people and try anythng to do, to occupaid those places&#33; So they must say NO to them, and fight them.
Raisa
7th April 2004, 00:44
You know, this is a consiquence of there being nations. All the other little republics got freedom, why not Chechnya? They&#39;re getting pissed, what do you expect.
sh0cker
7th April 2004, 19:29
That sounds like question, "Most European countries are in EU, why not Serbia, Croatia, Montenegro?"..

First, they can&#39;t have it, the situation in which they are now, they would just die.
Second, they have too much things to solve first.
Third, they weren&#39;t in the same position before making USSR, so neither they can be now.

Who cares are they pissed off, or not.. If I am pissed off on my parents or wife, I can go and bump off people around my house a?
flayer2
7th April 2004, 19:49
First, they can&#39;t have it, the situation in which they are now, they would just die.
Second, they have too much things to solve first.
Third, they weren&#39;t in the same position before making USSR, so neither they can be now.

If they have independence then all of these will be their own affair - Why would russians care about internal problems in an independent chechnya?

Sounds like Russia is only fighting for the sake of Russian pride.
Raisa
7th April 2004, 21:39
<<Sounds like Russia is only fighting for the sake of Russian pride. >>

What gives Russia the right to not let that country have inderpendance? Serious question.
The Chechen rebels are not going to give up, and its not worth it, theyre grasping at straws cause any country that wants independance gets it eventually.
General A.A.Vlasov
8th April 2004, 07:32
Raisa...hey silly-girl, where are you from?
Amyway, seems to me, that you&#39;re VERY young and you don&#39;t remember 1997 - "Hasav&#39;yurtovskii agreement" (Peace with "Independent Ichkeria")&#33;?
And what did we received from it&#33;? Anti-Russian cleanings in Chechnya&#33;
Alot of Russians , that been caught by terrorists in "Stavropolskiy Kray" moved to Chechnya to be slaves&#33;&#33;&#33;
And finnaly - 1999 the attack of Dagestan, by terrorists&#33;
SO&#33;?&#33;?&#33;?&#33;? They had chance to live free&#33; And they failed&#33; They created terrorist country from Chechnya&#33; And we don&#39;t need it&#33; :angry:
There is Russian proverb: "To the one who has lied once, no one will believe second time&#33;"

Dirty Commie...racism&#33;? Now tell me, how do you concern to Moldavans&#33;? Are they your "brothers" or they are your enemies or ect.&#33;? <_<

***

30 terrorists surrended yesterday&#33;
El Tipo
8th April 2004, 09:58
Vlasov, So I should hate all russians for what they did to us in the 2nd worldwar?(Im from finland).. well guess what.. I dont hate you guys, mostly my hate goes for one man.. Stalin the warmonger.
Raisa
9th April 2004, 01:57
<<Raisa...hey silly-girl, where are you from?
Amyway, seems to me, that you&#39;re VERY young and you don&#39;t remember 1997>>

It seems to me that you have grown without considering the other side of the story enough. No matter how "right" the Russian government is, it does not matter to the widowed Chechen women and children who have lost parents of which the remains are often unrecognizeable. They dont see it your way. Their lost loved ones as far as they are concerned died fighting for their country. Chechnya.
flayer2
9th April 2004, 05:50
I hope all Russians are not like you buddy. The Chechnyans should definately have their own state if Russians are chauvinist like you. This kind of ultra-nationalism is very primitive.
sh0cker
9th April 2004, 20:02
And fighting and killing people is not primitive?
Gaining independence by killing innocent people?

Raisa, why their loved once died? Because they were right? Freedom fighters?
Those who were in theatre few years ago, they were loved by someone, but what about people who they killed?
You are from Chechenya a? And you want independence, with what? What country, what laws, what industry? Do you know even what do you want?
General A.A.Vlasov
10th April 2004, 08:24
Gen.Vlasov:

El Tipo...man, I do not hate you, and you do not have to hate us&#33; That war was a GREAEST idiotism and crime of communists and personnaly - stalin&#33;&#33;&#33; :angry:

Kapitan Andrey:

Raisa...YOU BLIND FOOL&#33;&#33;&#33; LOOK AGAIN AT MY PREVIOUS MESSAGE&#33;&#33;&#33; :angry:

flayer2...65% of our population want terrorists to DIE&#33;&#33;&#33; And silly assholes like you won&#39;t stop us&#33; :angry:

***

YES&#33;&#33;&#33;

Abu-Bakar - well-known terrorists leader killed by our forces&#33;&#33;&#33; He known as a leader of terrorists-kamekazee&#33; He involved in mass murders, he also planned "North-Ost" terract...

Finnaly Justice has triumphed&#33;
El Tipo
10th April 2004, 12:43
Originally posted by General [email protected] 10 2004, 08:24 AM
flayer2...65% of our population want terrorists to DIE&#33;&#33;&#33; And silly assholes like you won&#39;t stop us&#33; :angry:
Pathetic, so who really are the "terrorists"? The men who fight for freedom/independence or the civialians whos just want it?... tell me precisely who do you want to die? Yes and if it makes you happy I heard this one thing (and this happens all the time) that russian soldier(officer) raped a girl and then killed her by stabbing her, she was fifteen. Okay heres the funny part the russian soldier went for trial and judge said that there is no evidence........... Okay about ~20 chechens were ready to testify against the soldier but as it is russia the russian judge claimed that they lie and they never got the chance.. its not suprise why chechenians want the independence... and ahh.. I almost forgot there were the family of the soldier at the court and they were laughing and: "You did the right thing.." said hes fellow soldiers. Im not taking any sides but I still think that russians are in the role of evil in this one.. so is the so called terrorists also, but the chechens dont really have a mighty army of madmen so they have to use "terrorism" to fight back its evil but what else can they really do? War is hell, never justify it.
sh0cker
10th April 2004, 16:14
Hahaha

These are the best things ever happened, while we are discussing about big things, politics, indpendence of state, terorists..

He is coming with a argument of Chechens that one girl is raped and now all Russians should leave Chechens to fight for freedom by KILLING INNOCENT RUSSIANS&#33;&#33;&#33;

Is that what you want, to compare one girl with hunders of people?

Micheal Jackson (he is black) is raping young kids, are now all Blacks pedophils?

El Tipo, what do you want to call people who made right for themself to go and kill people because they believe it is right, or some people support them, freedom fighters? Hahaha

OMG, El Tipo, you need help of people in white clothes.
El Tipo
10th April 2004, 22:07
Originally posted by [email protected] 10 2004, 04:14 PM
OMG, El Tipo, you need help of people in white clothes.
Might be, but I am 99.9% certain that if russia would give the independence to chechens they would stop, not the madmen but I think you blame the every chechen for the bad things that some inviduals do and I think russia has killed more chechens than chechens russians, I mean civilians. I think your the blind one, blinded by hate and fear. And I will tell you this for the last time, peace is the only solution. But if you want to continue the occupation and bloodshed thats your own misery, but be mindful they are as human as you are, every invidual.
sh0cker
10th April 2004, 23:23
You really need.

Here is not question will Russia give independence, question is will Chechens stop?
Can you garant, can you protect all those Russians there?
El Tipo
10th April 2004, 23:36
Originally posted by [email protected] 10 2004, 11:23 PM
You really need.

Here is not question will Russia give independence, question is will Chechens stop?
Can you garant, can you protect all those Russians there?
So its all about russians? You care only about the russians.. You think you are better than the chechens, please try to understand CHECHENS AINT THE ONES KILLING YOU, its the madmen "killing in the name of independence". Do you really think that chechens hate you? (well they might because your goverment wants them dead) NO&#33; Do you really think that chechens want you dead? NO. Its those goddamn madmen and in order to make them stop russians should give what madmen want and show the world that they really are - terrorists - and not freedom fighters but until that they are really fighting for freedom and independence (its wrong but you have to admit that you would do the same thing, you have the same attitude as they do).
sh0cker
11th April 2004, 01:25
Freedom fighters does not exist.
Fighting for freedom can be done ONLY with politics, not with war, and stop aproving them.
El Tipo
11th April 2004, 02:02
Originally posted by [email protected] 11 2004, 01:25 AM
"KILLING INNOCENT RUSSIANS&#33;&#33;&#33;"
(I think that in the confilct more innocent chechen civ&#39;s have died)

"Is that what you want, to compare one girl with hunders of people?"
(Indeed, think about the difference of military - working for goverment - and the terrorist&#39;s and if your smart enough you get my point)

"Fighting for freedom can be done ONLY with politics, not with war, and stop aproving them."
Says who, you? :o So, chechens should all die and russians should live happily ever after? And believe I hate terrorist acts and I hate war. But what I have heard, I think that chechens are the ones suffering. How many russian civialians have died by the hand&#39;s of a chechen soldier/civilian (you said already that hundreds have died) and then tell me how many chechen civilians have died by the hands of russian soldiers, and please do give me links and prove me wrong. And stop posting those childish "Chechens are evil&#33;" replys give me a reason to believe you. I know about the theater captured by terrorist&#39;s but then again these are terrorist&#39;s and I think if you go and ask thoughts about this from the chechens they&#39;ll say that its wrong. And do believe me, I have seen around three or four documents about the horrible acts by russian military.
General A.A.Vlasov
14th April 2004, 06:48
KA:
El Tipo...about that girl - it is BS&#33; :angry:


tell me precisely who do you want to die?
Fucking, blind moron&#33; I said - TERRORISTS and MERCENARIES&#33; NOT innocent chechens&#33;


Might be, but I am 99.9% certain that if russia would give the independence to chechens they would stop, not the madmen but I think you blame the every chechen
(again)BLIND IDIOTIC MORON&#33; Read my previous messages, where I argued, why we MUST stay in Chechnya&#33;


CHECHENS AINT THE ONES KILLING YOU
MORON&#33; We know it&#33; Innocent chechens ARE helping us in our war against terrorists and mercenaries&#33;&#33;&#33; Of course some of the terrorists are from Chechnya&#33;


chechens should all die and russians should live happily ever after?
The most IDIOTIC thing I ever heard&#33;

***

7 chechen militioneers been killed yesterday in anti-russian supporters cleaning&#33;
canikickit
14th April 2004, 06:59
Why do you bother writing the "KA" part? Everyone knows it&#39;s just you, Andrey.
General A.A.Vlasov
14th April 2004, 07:29
Dodo...and you still thinks that we&#39;re the same 1 man&#33;? :huh:
That&#39;s rediculazzzz&#33; ;)
sh0cker
14th April 2004, 15:10
Defiantly people bother more why he is writing his comrade words then what he is saying.
Dirty Commie
14th April 2004, 18:43
I don&#39;t know why you refuse to accept the fact that if the poeople of Chechnya want independence, they deserve it...Why shouldn&#39;t they be allowed to govern themselves?
sh0cker
14th April 2004, 19:30
Can anyone garant, safe place for Russians there?
General A.A.Vlasov
15th April 2004, 03:43
KA:
commie...Blind idiot&#33; Read my previous messages&#33; :angry:
Xprewatik RED
16th April 2004, 23:41
The Russians are imperialist plain and simple. The Chechyan struggle began against Catherine the Great&#39;s expansion. They fought bloodily and bravley against the capitalist oppurtunists. Today Russia is attempting to keep what is left of its impoversished and somewhat comical nation. They will keep fighting and keep murdering. To get up dated on their latest atrocities just go to www.hrw.org . They rape women shoot civilians, burn houses , and steal. They just want independence. All these Russians will offer the same flawed logic. This is, how do you justify oppressing someone under your own will for your own benefit.

On a different note I would just like to point out something ironic that happens whenever I have dealt with in the past with Kapitan Andrey or any of his clones- i have been gone a while so I don&#39;t know WHAT he is calling himself now.
You see his insult has always been "XOXOLI&#33;". In rough translation I am being insulted for being a Ukrainian Lower-Class Individual- I don&#39;t feelin insulted when I am called working class because I am-, or literally peasant scum. This is ironic on a page dedicated to the freeing of the workers.

Lastly Putin&#39;s government employs huge amounts of propoganda and these poor misguided individuals are not to blame. They are told all muslims are filthy terrorists and other lies. They believe all of this. Hey, Russians did the Muslims in Serbia deserve what they got. Honestly tell me what your heart says.
sh0cker
17th April 2004, 02:05
Mine says that NATO and EU should let Serbia and Montenegro to deal with it&#39;s problems as we know. Which means to get rid of all terrorists on Kosovo and make sure that people who want to live on Kosovo be safe and can do whatever they want. And if they want really to help us, they should sent many people to enforce joining EU and making higher life standards. No matter who is who.

But defenitly let US deal with terrorists on Kosovo as well as mujahedins. Just to show who is right who is not. And who is really in charge of Kosovo, we or Albania.

And about Chechenya, main says if but only if Chechens can make sure all Russians there will be safe, and get rid of all mujahedins and terrorists should have independence. But under these things now a days, I don&#39;t think it will happen soon.
General A.A.Vlasov
17th April 2004, 08:01
I&#39;t you again, XOXOJl-CYKA&#33;?

And what have you told about "Ukrainian Lower-Class Individual"?&#33; It is bullshit&#33; It means "ukrainian ultra-nationalist"&#33;&#33;&#33;

And enough of this bullshit about "freedom fighters"&#33;


Do you know, that at 14 of this month - chechen terrorists made a CLEANING against chechen inhabitants, who support our forces? In a result:
4 chechen militioneers and 4 innocent chechens killed.

So...who do they fight against&#33;? Against their own nation&#33; They are not "freedom fighters" , they are bloodlusty terrorists&#33;
Xprewatik RED
18th April 2004, 00:48
I&#39;t you again, XOXOJl-CYKA&#33;?

And what have you told about "Ukrainian Lower-Class Individual"?&#33; It is bullshit&#33; It means "ukrainian ultra-nationalist"&#33;&#33;&#33;

And enough of this bullshit about "freedom fighters"&#33;


Do you know, that at 14 of this month - chechen terrorists made a CLEANING against chechen inhabitants, who support our forces? In a result:
4 chechen militioneers and 4 innocent chechens killed.

So...who do they fight against&#33;? Against their own nation&#33; They are not "freedom fighters" , they are bloodlusty terrorists&#33;
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Do i really need to argue with this skewd logic? Yes they are freedom fighters. People who rise up against an imperialist force whose sole purpose is to suppress them are freedom fighters. How about the Russians who turned downtown Grozny into a pile of dirt, a city of 400,000 leveled to the ground. 10,000&#39;s of Chechyan civilians killed and murdererd. Thousands of reported rapes, and arsons. Again I am nationalist? How? Find me one line where I utter a word in support of the crooks in my government. 10 years Russians have slaughtered the innocent to uphold their pathetic and weak imperialistic ambitions. You are a minion.
General A.A.Vlasov
26th April 2004, 05:03
Kapitan Andrey:
You&#39;ve only answered on my 3 first lines, but what about 2 last lines&#33;? :huh: Chicken?

You got nothing to say, because your position is wrong, but you&#39;re trying to prove it by the bullshit like "Russian imperialists" "...poor chechen freedom fighters&#33;" and ect...

___________


In a period from 15th to 23th our forces killed ~18 terrorist form that terrorist group, that have made a cleaning (14th). 1 of them was a fuckin&#39;-turkish-mercenary&#33;&#33;&#33;

8 bases with lots of weapons were destroyed&#33;