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Ele'ill
29th August 2017, 23:11
There's a lot of buzz going on about helping out in Texas, myself and others were discussing the idea and reached out some time ago to others close to it for suggestions. What is everyone's thoughts on this? Anyone there or nearby? My biggest concern would be getting there and running out of resources, and getting there and not having the ability to actually help. Seeing pictures of people without mobility soaking in disgusting water until they die isn't really an acceptable thing. Neither is seeing people just standing outside of their destroyed homes with no next step, without anyone there for them. Jokes aside, I think some anarchists/communists through experience to some degree could come up with some pretty creative ways to help in situations like that, that others wouldn't think of, and take action in ways that others probably would shy away from.

Is there any communication from anarchists/communists in areas that have faced major conflicts and disasters, that would help give more of a bearing on what can or can't be done?


Feel free to move this to news and ongoing struggles if anyone sees that as being more appropriate.

willowtooth
29th August 2017, 23:53
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Sewer Socialist
31st August 2017, 06:06
Are we discussing immediate things that can be done for people in the Houston area? Or longer term things?

For the latter, I'm actually going to school for nursing, I imagine I might drive down to a disaster area in the future.

Regarding the immediate situation, I'm not sure. Taking a small boat around to stranded people is an obvious one. I imagine the immediate needs are really the most basic - rescue, food, water, shelter, medical care.

But what about next month, when the water is gone, but the homes are still damaged / destroyed, the usual sources of income (and access to the means of fulfilling basic needs) aren't there?

What went right and what went wrong in the past? I recall hearing about anarchos heading down to New Orleans a decade ago, but I don't know much about it.

BIXX
31st August 2017, 06:22
Are we discussing immediate things that can be done for people in the Houston area? Or longer term things?

For the latter, I'm actually going to school for nursing, I imagine I might drive down to a disaster area in the future.

Regarding the immediate situation, I'm not sure. Taking a small boat around to stranded people is an obvious one. I imagine the immediate needs are really the most basic - rescue, food, water, shelter, medical care.

But what about next month, when the water is gone, but the homes are still damaged / destroyed, the usual sources of income (and access to the means of fulfilling basic needs) aren't there?

What went right and what went wrong in the past? I recall hearing about anarchos heading down to New Orleans a decade ago, but I don't know much about it.

You happen to know who scott crow and Brandon Darby are?

It's a pretty fascinating story. Fwiw there are anarchists already assisting in the disaster area, under the same name as scott crow's group.

GiantMonkeyMan
31st August 2017, 12:17
I think it's a fantastic idea, Ele'ill. I think if you're worried about resources etc, then it's best to get in contact with some local relief efforts, even non-revolutionary ones, to at least have a support structure in place to better help people. There was a brief article here that mentions some local organisations https://itsgoingdown.org/what-are-the-antifa-doing-after-harvey/ but the links are a bit botched so you might have to google them.

Sewer Socialist
31st August 2017, 16:19
You happen to know who scott crow and Brandon Darby are?

It's a pretty fascinating story. Fwiw there are anarchists already assisting in the disaster area, under the same name as scott crow's group.

Sort of, but do you have an answer to the question?

What went right and what went wrong in the past?

BIXX
31st August 2017, 17:33
Off the top of my head, no (other than Brandon Darby at some point becoming an informant, that's a big thing that went wrong).

In terms of what went right? It's my understanding that the common ground collective in New Orleans was able to assist many people, getting bedding, food, etc... While at various points protecting people from the white supremacists who were shooting "looters" (that is, according to scott crow). Its has been a while since I've gone over the story but that specific story is the one I think you're looking for in terms of answers.

Ele'ill
31st August 2017, 20:54
I wasn't looking for anything in particular, just wondering if there were already existing previous writings on the topic, or ideas that people had. Things like how to set up mobile triage despite not being formally qualified, water, food, etc..

ckaihatsu
3rd September 2017, 13:46
He called the police on Hurricane Harvey victims looking for food.


They're not looters, Tom. They're looking for clean water and food.

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He called the police on them for trying to get food.

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Sewer Socialist
4th September 2017, 18:29
can some mod split this off into its own thread? this is wildly off topic and there's already a thread where spam is discussed.

I guess I'm more familiar with Brandon Darby than Scott Crow. Brandon Darby & infiltration / intelligence is an interesting topic for sure, but maybe a little off topic imo.

Is Common Ground the collective you're talking about? Do you have anything I could read on their New Orleans work from an operational standpoint? Also what specifically are they up to in Houston?

Nah Revisionism
23rd September 2017, 15:45
There's a lot of buzz going on about helping out in Texas, myself and others were discussing the idea and reached out some time ago to others close to it for suggestions. What is everyone's thoughts on this? Anyone there or nearby? My biggest concern would be getting there and running out of resources, and getting there and not having the ability to actually help. Seeing pictures of people without mobility soaking in disgusting water until they die isn't really an acceptable thing. Neither is seeing people just standing outside of their destroyed homes with no next step, without anyone there for them. Jokes aside, I think some anarchists/communists through experience to some degree could come up with some pretty creative ways to help in situations like that, that others wouldn't think of, and take action in ways that others probably would shy away from.

Is there any communication from anarchists/communists in areas that have faced major conflicts and disasters, that would help give more of a bearing on what can or can't be done?


Feel free to move this to news and ongoing struggles if anyone sees that as being more appropriate.

Is nobody going to talk about possible aid to Cuba and Puerto Rico? They are poorer countries and are severely affected by it. Us leftists should be donating to them more importantly as the impact has been higher.

Ele'ill
23rd September 2017, 17:40
Is nobody going to talk about possible aid to Cuba and Puerto Rico? They are poorer countries and are severely affected by it. Us leftists should be donating to them more importantly as the impact has been higher.

I'm far more interested in direct support and the area brought up here is relatively accessible (to me) in comparison to Cuba and Puerto Rico. Charity and donations are not capable of the things that people themselves are when coming together to help others, and not everyone has the resources needed to participate in charity or donate things, let alone trust that it will be handled in a manner that actually ends up helping. Charity and donations can't clear rubble, can't rescue people, it can't set up shelters, kitchens, sanitation, water, establish communication centers, provide defense against fascists and cops who want to use their guns. It takes people to do those things, and emergency services have proven to be either incompetent, poorly managed, or malicious.

Nah Revisionism
23rd September 2017, 22:50
You are correct now that I think about it, but can we not send human aid to Cuba or Puerto Rico?

Ele'ill
24th September 2017, 08:02
^ I think making contacts despite borders is great but there are consequences with that too

redz
31st October 2017, 17:34
"Like man-made disasters such as wars and global economic crashes, massive natural disasters expose the most glaring deficiencies of the capitalist system, prevalent within today’s human civilization."

Hurricane Trump and other appalling disasters
https://realityanalysisnotes.wordpress.com/2017/10/29/hurricane-trump-and-other-appalling-disasters/